Hello, everyone. It's Shabi Duncan, just let me know I'm editing this at the moment and due to reasons that will be revealed later, the audiotape was a bit fucked up and start. So if you really can't stand it because it is pretty awful and if you skip seven and a half minutes, then you probably won't miss much and it will be a lot better. But also, if you want to hear the whole thing, then, you know, just just put up with it.

It'll be fine. Enjoy the episode.

Hi everyone. Hello. Welcome to another episode of Golden is another episode finding exactly episode title bending apparently still sex with men.

Yeah, well, that episode Quatro episode for so long as for an Italian Duncan. Uh.

Quanto maybe let's go with that. Why did I ask you that question? I don't know if you can if Udacity is Quadron Spanish, right? Yeah. And and. In Quetta, it's quite cutthroat in French, I dunno. Oh, wait, no. Yeah, yeah, cool.

Anyway, I think you might be asking that question because the film we're doing this week is Italian.

Yes. But produced by a Spaniard, which is where the issue is. So we found out that.

That's right. So, um, last week for Episode three, we did three films.

So does that mean that these four films, as we know it means we're doing one film? Because that's easy. It was a bit of a disaster, according to my opinion.

I mean, you seem to think it was a good episode. I think it was all the time we like and we were very poor, very tired of it late at night. And it went up late because I had to pay the rent on my laptop instead of my PC. So it took eight hours to render the episode. And so we went up late. We were tired. I had an energy drinks for doing it. So super hyper. We were trying to squeeze three films in and we were talking about films too, was a scene and I just felt like a bit of a mess of an affair.

But also maybe maybe we experimented with the format. Yeah, exactly. We were pushing boundaries, you know. Mm hmm. Got if someone someone's also drilling in the room next to me, I think they are obviously not in my house, but in the house next door. And I can hear drilling. I can you hear. I can't hear it now. Okay, good. So hopefully that's not a big thing. So where are you recording from?

Jamie, are you recording from your living room. Recording from my bedroom. Oh, yes. We're into records an hour and a half ago, Jimmy, we're on a sophisticated hour and never and a half hour live, Jimmy.

And it's second security, just so our viewers know. I'm going to bring them. I'm going to bring them into internal arguments, OK?

I will do so in that moment that you're fighting or that I'm not going to be homophobic, I guess. But, you know, on the bright side, I think there's a slightly better audio quality in the living room. While I make it slightly less likely than usual. We'll see that. They'll be nice. They'll be nice. This calls couldn't find. They can say to me, I don't know who plays. And I guess it doesn't matter too much.

All I know is that I can hear you, um, like I guess my headphones are very leaky because when I'm editing, I can hear you on my one as well.

I don't really matter because it isn't the America that is lamella. Oh yeah. I do sometimes hear that. Yeah. I guess if you start and if you start to crack on this it might fuck it up but we'll see and see. I guess we're still experimental.

You know, today we're talking about a delightful horror thriller film by the director, Mario Bava. It turns out it's quite important and the master of Italian horror and I did not know this before we watched it. So, no, I'm surprised. I've no, it's not. You've not said the name of the film. I was going to lead up to that, but. Oh, OK. Yeah, I'll watch it for the honeymoon or honeymoon.

This the right sign of madness is the know a school name is a cool name. I don't know why I am so in in Italy. It was released under that name in Italian obviously, and then in Spain because as you said, it was a kind of co-production, it was released. This had only been in Spanish obviously. And I guess when they released it in English, they went with that name and said, yeah, they they wrote about the Saints, correct?

Yeah.

I think there was like an outdated English release called like Bridel Blood or something. Yes, yeah.

Yeah. I've only been I've got way. Let me find it. OK, so it was released. So it was MGM that really in Italy and Spain and Italy in the second of June 1970 and Spain and Portugal in September 1970. And under the name, as we said before, and then released in the UK as Blood Brides in nineteen eighty three and then the year I don't know what they released as in the US officially, but that was, it wasn't in the US and in nineteen seventy four.

So we're kind of, I mean we're kind of pushing the limits well for the original Italian release date.

But that's true, that's true to our earliest release dates. So that's exactly although we will break that rule by the end of this I'm sure.

Yeah for sure. I wonder why the push to September in Spain.

I don't think I think it's just if you look at like I say, at least by this time, this seems like a two way longer to localize things. Oh, I bet it was down as well. Oh, yeah. Well, the Martin you and I watched was dubbed obviously something to share, and I felt I was done pretty well actually. Yeah.

Like a couple of times I was distracted by like I follow contribution to the film a lot actually a very dreamy and disconnected as were. Yeah. Like I'm quite sure there's a fella sometimes you see these doves and they're really.

And like I was watching film last week for what was it called and the Resistance Banker, which is a Dutch film, and I started watching it in English, I didn't even realize it starts on Netflix. And the top is like really, really done. So I changed it to Dutch and just listen to subtitles. Except for that, I generally prefer that unless the dubs like really good, I guess with an animation like an animation for really good time would be fine, but I think you'd be surprised.

It's kind of distracting. No one seemed like a good like well done one. Yeah.

Even. It's surprising how weird doesn't seem. Yeah. Because like it's hard to say, like you do notice that the flip flops don't match up quite as well.

Yeah, I get that sense since I was going to say definitely for subs, but this one pretty good overall from what I was going to say. Yeah. Was that there was a film released last year in Britain that, as you know, I'm very fond of old bait and that was an English film. But still, I still use dubbing the English voices in order to create that sort of disconnect with the fact I got something similar on this film.

I thought it was very good. You felt disconnected.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was pretty good. Um, so where should we go? Jump back a bit to the historical context. It's kind of kind of become tradition to start with that, or would you rather not go out into the film. OK, so, um, once again, I'm using. Well. That was a Perico. OK, we're back historically, what historical context, historical context?

Well, OK, so and I had a pirika. I think we need to address it, Jamie. All right. Because you don't use your magical editing skills to make it seamless and then.

Yeah, but it's going to be the audio is going to be from my laptops, it's going to be very poor quality and or there's a chance that we won't even use it. So if you have no idea what we're talking about, we've cut the start of it and we're talking about how to implement it for the honeymoon, which is an Italian Spanish co-production by. That's about that's about all we said in the first seven minutes of the recording, rehearsing.

I don't have hopefully I don't want other Paraka this time. So historical context.

And it was OK. So I was using Tamie, back to you. That's where I got to. And so that's the joke that keeps on giving. Of course there are sponsors, but they're not actually your sponsors, which is funny. And so they actually something quite interesting. It was at an Italian holiday that day, the day it came out, the second of June 1970, it was Republic Day which commemorates the birth of the Repubblica Italiana and the end of the monarchy.

Yes, it was. And that's one of the good ones, right? It was in 1946.

So it's like after World War Two to become, um, family happy happening. All the kids out to honor school. What happened to a French filmmaker died, Albert La Mercy, you know, and I didn't recognize any of his films, but apparently he invented Risk the board game.

Oh, cool legacy. Yeah, I don't know. But he's definitely described as like, um, a filmmaker on his Wikipedia. But then it's like he also invented risk, which seems like more of a thing unless his films are actually famous and I just don't recognize them for some reason.

Maybe it wasn't very popular when he died. Maybe. Maybe so. Yeah, he died. I rest in peace.

Maybe because he published it so many fearis. Maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe he died and he started like a special edition commemorating him of risk, and that's the one event.

But yeah, who knows?

OK, um, the music charts, um, once again, I didn't recognize any of the American songs on it. Oh. Which which is.

That's the second week in a row that I've not known any of them. Um, so Spirit, this guy is out of the U.K. once. And can you guess what number one is?

Is it four lines? No, and lost the game one day, I got wise to it is, um, uh, in the summertime. Oh, scary time did you do to do. To do. Yeah.

So, um, back back home by the England World Cup team is no. Free. No. The World Cup started this week. The World Cup started this week.

Maybe that's why Jonathan Pujari never really made another hit song. So just play summertime a lot. Now I want five appearances.

Really. I didn't I didn't know that I could probably very big one, I guess. I guess I knew it. I knew it based on the fact I don't know any of his other songs, you know, like I don't know, as in. Yeah, I know it by omission or whatever.

So, yeah, the World Cup started and then Time Time magazine was probably the most interesting one this week as it often is. Um, so there was an article entitled Flags and Brides.

Can you guess what that was about? Was about Baras. So it is about protesters and it was saying that it was seeing people that were supporting Vietnam were waving flags, and then it was jokingly saying that those that weren't waiting, Briar's, because they were going topless to oppose it. And apparently flag sales were up, but brass sales were also up despite people going in, doing braless. So that was interesting.

I don't think we're quite at that point yet. But just because we will run into it eventually as a fun tidbit that, you know, that the whole bra burning thing is just an urban legend and didn't really happen.

Really. Yeah, interesting. There you go. What a pop culture thing for you.

Well, clearly, because they were just buying they were buying them just as much as people were buying fakes. So there you go. Well, I guess I don't know. I don't know about you.

I don't know if, like, I don't know what flags they were waving. Do you know it was like a special one or probably just American ones. Right.

Presumably, unless, you know, some anarchy were really making bank.

They also featured an article about black peaceful protest being shut down by armed peacekeepers.

Oh, wow. That's very topical.

Yeah, very topical. Much like last week. Did you. Have you seen the John John.

Big speech, but I haven't seen the whole speech yet, so I saw quotes from pretty powerful stuff. Now, you know, just to be clear, it's not a fun coincidence. These things came up this week and 50 years ago. Exactly. It's because they're on the. And never go away.

Yeah, exactly. Good. So I'm moving on. There is an article on the relationship between Israel and Egypt and who's deteriorating. And I actually actually watch a film about this the other week and called The Angel. It was the bill, he was a guy who's this Egyptian guy, and they wanted peace between Israel and Egypt because he thought it would be more like conducive to improving relations in the area. Um, but he he did this thing where he was like a double agent who was working for the Egyptian government, but he was also working with Mossad.

And, um, he the whole film was like based on his whole concept was based on the boy who cried wolf fury.

So basically, he gave them false information that Egypt was going to attack Israel. So they got ready for it. And then it meant that the first time they get this information, they weren't ready for it because it's costing so much to mobilize and and the like. The war the war that ended up happening was like very short, but it was like just enough to get peace in the region. So it was like it was kind of like an interesting film because Egypt, Egypt and Israel have been at peace apparently since since then.

That was like 1970.

Something here. Yeah. So that was very interesting. Yeah. And the only the only reveal right at the end of the film that he's using bytecode, Wolf, it's like he reads he reads the story to his kid earlier on in the film when you don't even realize and then you think, oh, the attacks you think are genuine, you think all the attacks are genuine, he just doesn't know about it. And then, like, right at the end, it's revealed that he was kind of it's cool.

And apparently, apparently, he's the only person there is a national hero in both Israel and Egypt.

So in particular, that one of those like noncredit things, like to have that little text box next to the real guy.

Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, he died. He died. He got he fell allegedly off his balcony in London in the 2000s. So I think there's a bit of a controversy that you might have been killed by someone, but yeah.

There you go. So that was that was in time. I think that's on my historical context. All right.

So shall we move on to talking about the piece de jure?

Sure. It's the. Cool. Thank you so much for the honeymoon. It's about a man, very nice man named John John Harrington. Am I right? Yes, that's right. Yeah, so John is a very civilized boy. He's married unhappily, his wife won't divorce him. Yeah, and a little hobby to, you know, while away the stresses in his life. He likes to murder brides to be like whenever he earns a modeling agency and whatever one of the girls there is about to get married, he invites them up to a special room and makes them put on a wedding dress.

And then he. I guess what Bush has done with a meat cleaver, yeah, let's not stop, would it be? It would be bludgeoned, I guess, but oh, that's a good film.

And then he kills them. And the whole film is about his killing as he tries to get closer and closer to this, like traumatic memory, that he gets a bit clearer every time he kills someone. And then there's an inspector who's on his tail by the very subtle hint that six people who used to work from have all died in the last couple of months or so.

So using his incredible strategy of being patient and waiting for the killer to make a mistake, yeah, the inspector will catch him one day. Exactly.

Which is a very, very classic. But that whole relationship was a very classic police criminal. So, yeah, film true.

Also an awful long way to catch a serial killer, frankly. Yes. Yes, definitely. Definitely. But I mean, I guess you don't care about spoiling twists on the show.

So I'll just tell you, the last woman turns out to be like a plant police inspector is using and she makes him into murdering her and then he can catch him in the act, which is still an awful one.

It's not because she could have got murdered. I don't I don't even know how she didn't get murdered. Like she she was lucky. She managed she was kind of prepared for it. Yeah. She manages to block him. And then the only thing that stops him continuing is that he remembers a memory finally. Yeah, oh, his traumatic memories that he killed his own mother yet after she got married, it's not that I feel almost like I no, but it's it's quite close.

So I guess it's like because it's immediately suggested you see him as a kid and then it gradually gets more clear as it goes. It's kind of like, yeah.

I mean, I feel it's pretty clear from the beginning that either he killed his mom or his stepdad or that killed his mom.

Like, yeah, yeah. I mean, that's clear pretty quickly that someone killed. But I genuinely find it quite shocking that he killed their fellow, that it almost left me with more questions than I would say because the kid's playing his younger self is very good at being a murderer.

Surprisingly, for a child, he's got a good face on him.

He does. But I was kind of, um. Because it doesn't it doesn't explain why he kills his mom in the first place, really. You know what I mean?

Oh, because he doesn't want her to remarry. But he said that because he said, yeah, the NRA is being cool.

He says, I didn't want her to remarry. Those are his exact words. Oh, I must admit, it seems like today it's you who wasn't paying attention.

Well, I saw that in the Wikipedia plot synopsis, which is obviously the right one. I didn't actually watch the film. I just read the plot synopsis on Wikipedia.

I say, as I always do, of course I will say is that this is, I think, by far the best looking film with on this show so far, with no real competition whatsoever from anything else I've done in that. The show actually really nice and they're all very stylish. Yeah, I've asked for a second classic for a second.

I thought you were making a joke about the film quality, which is pretty awful.

Like I said. No, I was serious. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's nice. There's very good.

Well there's a lot of very nice reflection shots. Yeah.

It's like the Chinese are very well polished. Meat cleaver has to be size. Yeah. And you see his face and like his victims face now which is cool. My favorite one was the one where it's like the reflection on the table and you can see him in the two inspectors like standing and then right in the center of the table you can see the hand of his murdered wife, like hanging dead. Yeah. And that's like the blood dripping. That's inspectorates.

I was really cool.

Yeah, I'm really think about that. But yes, it's very cool. Ticking clock, I thought. Yes, definitely. Definitely. Um.

Oh yeah. He murders his wife as well. Does that there. And then she stays with him forever. Yeah.

She's haunted by visions of her as he slowly goes insane. Apparently a very recurring theme in Mario Ababa's work. Is it so.

Yeah, I would definitely like to because apparently this is one of his worst films. Yeah. I was about to say is a very good looking film. I, I wouldn't write the story that I leave, but the main desire I came away from it was, you know, if there are films are better than I would really like to see them. But this one's really well short of nothing. Yeah.

Yeah. And he shoots is he so chooses on stuff like he's the cinematography associate director. So you'd imagine the other ones are pretty similarly pretty lit, pretty lit.

So um also bet do I assume you know the story about the, the support of the wife.

Did you get also I'll page. So of course. Uh, so Laura Bati won an award just before this film, and so we'll pick up the full picture of Best Actress at Venice.

So she was put into this film with their Mario and they had to write an entire subplot for her to be his wife because she wasn't in the original script. Um, so we'll get to that in a second. But also Dunsmuir, Lashonda, I think it's her name was playing the original leading lady, who was Helen Wood. Yeah. And see had been told, you know, you're playing the leading part. You'll get, you know, proper credit for this.

And she was sleeping with the producer at the time. Yeah. So, you know, she wasn't not to make like that because it's obviously quite bad that that was happening.

But she's certainly putting a lot of effort to get the part to Jamie, exactly as you can say, that you're not going to make light of it and then make light of it.

Sorry, I was just trying to be. What's the word? No, a she put a little work in.

So that's I mean, well, she sacrificed a lot. Is that that's probably about what. Yeah, I'll. The people we're seeing.

I mean you assume it doesn't I mean it doesn't say that. It doesn't say that she might you're not going to let me keep talking about it genuinely being a loving but it's probably unlikely fortunately at that time.

I don't think it's I don't think it's our place to presume anything. Cool. Cool. So yeah.

So she lower Betty contacted and Buffer and she said that she didn't like working with intellectuals and which is I would imagine, incredibly insulting. Too bad, but he also apparently knew that he wasn't an intellectual and was quite happy to. Yeah, apparently he had a very shy, self-deprecating demeanor and that's why it was never a big success. Right. Opportunity stars and Hollywood. Neil was turned on them. Yeah.

I mean, I feel like there's a lot of there's a lot more to the producer as well. That's just the last thing I was going to say. She ended up suing him and one oh oh oh. Well, the girl who played Helen Wood. Right. Right. Because she'd been lied to basically. Yeah. So I was going to say, even though the subplot was like added in retrospect, I thought it was easily the best part of the film.

Am I the wife of the character? You sound like the wife of the character, but I feel like it went on far too long.

And like by the by the first time that we saw him talking to her when she wasn't there, like saw someone.

Like, I feel like it was pretty clear what was going on. I really know to describe it, but it just felt very like they were trying to get as much attention as possible without really changing anything like so she's haunting him and everyone else can see her. That was that was very that was very nicely established.

I don't think there goes I think he's just insane. Right.

But what I mean is in his mind, that's what's going on. Yeah. And there is a really nice bit where, like, there's a reflection in the mirror and she's in it. And then it seems in him and she's mostly in the dark. That's always good stuff.

And it's like free situations where that happens, where it's very clearly established that everyone else can see her and he can. And then I just felt like he kept going on and it just put him in another situation where that happened and another one, another one. And then he gets her ashes in the bag so that you can remember that she's there. And then it goes on and on and on and on.

And it just kind of felt it did feel a bit forced, like it felt like the the purpose of the film was supposed to be the trauma of killing his mother was supposed to push him to do what he does. But it kind of felt like that was lost because the wife as a ghost thing only comes in halfway through.

And then suddenly the whole film is about that. And when when you read that, that's not the original intention. I can see that thinking about it, I could see that's not part of the play.

Really emphatically disagree. If you want a secondary opinion. I would say that like the overall film on the theme of the film is pretty clearly about white guilt and stuff and trauma. And I think my wife's tried to deal with the wife fits into that is prompted by the death, by his killing of his mother and is in turn haunted by the killing of his wife and in the running cycle. I would also say that more immediate level, that the scenes where his wife wants are all really cool.

And I like to see the scenes where his wife are haunting, is haunting him, are all very cool and fun. Uh, so I like you don't feel like there was too many of them.

I agree that they were cool, but it just felt like there are too many. Uh, not really. Um, right now I'd say no. Uh, the one where he like asks the lady for a threesome with him and his dead wife was particularly fun. And, you know, I'm happy to have any film hold up for that. That was a good one.

But then my point is he kept going after that like they could have been.

And I was the main point of the film at that point. And so I thought it was fine to me. That was the main thrust of the story. OK, well, I personally felt it kind of took the film away from a kind of realistic killer thing to a more supernatural vibe, and even even though it does seem that the wife is just being his head, it definitely felt a lot more interesting when I I didn't get the impression in the first half of the film that it was a total supernatural film for me was supposed to be about a murder that like murders real people and deals with the consequences in his head rather than, um, like having a ghost, even if she wasn't a ghost.

It definitely. Yeah. Yeah, he's still doing it.

Definitely being about. I think of the film is being about like a man who about the psyche of this one murderer, then I think it fits in very well. Still about the same sort of symptoms that he's racking himself, the kind of fight club, I guess.

I've not seen Fight Club and refused to fly. What you misunderstand because everyone who likes that film is off Llanos.

Not the point. The I like the film, but you called me a liar. Yeah. Yeah.

Why am I awful? Just you know, it's it's like people who really like The Dark Knight, you know, it's just you don't need them in your life. I don't understand what you mean. It's awesome because it's just like people are like, oh, you're Tyler Durden. So cool, man. I wish I was like him. But that's.

No, I'm saying I'm saying it's a really well-made film. And yeah, I know the film stuff. Yeah, I know the actual point in the film is that, you know, like toxic masculinity is bad, which is important and cool, but no one gets that. Who watches that. I get it. It's me. OK. OK, I'm saying as a general trend in much the same way, OK, I don't, I don't think anyone I don't think I've met anyone that likes it for those, those reasons.

But I, if I, if I made them. I envy you my friend. Yeah.

Clearly I just obviously mix in various circles and you really.

To be fair, people need to know, well, actually, they have some system in place, but, uh, yeah, and OK, well, what what what I think I should say, um, Helen, would what do you think of our.

As character well, what the one that gets a new job, yeah, yeah, she's a person. Cool that I don't know, I didn't feel particularly. I thought she was I halfway through, I got confused and thought it was a different girl that was talking to me and stuff like that, so I don't feel like she was particularly distinctive. The wife is definitely the wife is definitely the better character. I just feel like I just feel like if they if they they'd actually change the film enough.

Like, I feel like they either change the film too much to focus on the wife or they didn't change it enough to focus on the way I listening to it was kind of intimidating.

It's fun.

I know I liked very much the scene where he and his wife ate breakfast and she yelled at him. All of those scenes are Tip-Top, if you ask me. Yes. Yeah, I think of a man like murdering someone and being like all cool and like Patrick Bateman. And then like his wife tells me, he's an idiot and he just has to accept it is very cool by me.

Yeah. Female empowerment and all that. And it's interesting that you mentioned Patrick Bateman because I wrote down I'm like right at the start when he's got the internal monologue and he's in the mirror. I was I wrote then he's very, very American Psycho kind of style. And I know it's one of the reviewers, like a modern reviewer and said the same thing. Yeah, it's got very funny.

But also, I don't know I don't know how psychopathic he is necessarily, because he's shown to be very nice, Czisny, which is I know just the one dog, but I assume that was just part of like manipulating that one day the parrot as well.

Oh yeah. But he feeds a dead by sorry.

Yeah he is a bit. Yeah. Well yeah it gets to the fire. He's not very nice but it was kind of. Yeah.

So there's a paranoia uh in the beginning which isn't right. Like a tenth of that word I've heard before. I can't say I'm massively aware of the nuances of difference, to be fair.

Well, so I did some hunting. My wife's stuff was very cool. I did not think it was perhaps the most accurate representation of mental illness out there. No, no. I think I think he just has he's just as a serial killer and something to do with his brain. And, you know, if that's what you got. Yeah.

I mean, that was kind of my point with, like the his mother getting murdered thing was it kind of suggests that he saw it happen and that made him a murderer. But then when you find out that he just did it, it's like that that doesn't that to me doesn't scream that that's the that can be the traumatic event because something must have caused him to do that in the first place.

Well, yeah. Like he says, what causes them to do it?

And the guilt is something very simple as it might. But my point is that the film was suggested that he's not naturally a murderer necessarily. What happened was something very traumatic happened that affected his brain and made him a murderer. But the fact that he just killed his mom because he didn't want to remarrying suggests that he was always like that. And it kind of, for me, brings into question, I don't know to what extent the it's like I think it would just kill people anyway.

The fact that he kills bride specifically might be linked to that event, but it didn't sort of shaped me as a traumatic experience that would specifically have that effect.

Now, I don't get that. I feel that he wasn't a murderer before that night, as it were. And that was just like something that pushed him enough emotionally that he sort of made the jump to that first kill. And since then, he's become a serial killer. I don't think. Right. Bill clearly didn't come naturally to him as the others did. I think it's yeah.

I mean, it's definitely the start of something, but I'm just not sure to what extent, like, that was the only thing that could have started.

You know, I feel like I don't think the moral of the film is like he was born this way. I think it's like, you know, he has unhealthy views about women and stuff. Yeah. Sort of been manifested as this violent rage. You know, I know they make fun of Britney Spears privacy a lot in this film. There are recurring motif. Yes. So I think that's what it's going for. You asked me.

Cool. Well, so I got here on my list and I.

Oh, cool. Well well, the fun fact about meat cleavers that I found out. Yes. My research. OK, do you know why meat cleavers have those holes in them? No. So butchers can hang them up, which I didn't know before, and I looked up because it's a very nice meat cleaver. Yes.

And they chose so I began to wonder is so, um, this that doesn't really square nicely into what I'm about to say, but I'm going to pretend it does. So he kills so all the girls he kills are directly connected to him and he kills them all in his own place. Yeah. So it kind of baffles me how the police cannot find any evidence.

He's not a good police inspector, as I'm saying. He's not a good murderer either. Like no disposes of the body. Sure. But there must be a lot of evidence.

And I think I mean, he burns everything. It's like I'm willing to OK, maybe he didn't leave any evidence behind and he was careful. I'm willing to believe that. But like, at some point, I mean, I hate like critiquing things like this because it's stupid.

Yes, it is. But still, it's you know, at the same time, you do feel like they could just watch him, like you just got one police officer to like. We all know he's you know, you clearly know he's the one is doing it. You said so. Yeah. You just get random guy to just tell him and then you'll see him putting his wife's asses out over the river and acting suspiciously. Exactly.

And then, I mean, the relationship they have is kind of the one that you get when in a film there's a very good criminal that is doing something like not murder, something that they can very easily.

It's like a sort of charming master thief and then like. Exactly. It's like always one step behind them. Exactly.

Exactly. Like like catch me if you can, or something like that where they know they know they're guilty or I'm thinking of other things, but and the relationships, that kind of thing. But then in reality surely be crazy. I mean, what do you do, you know, to what extent you need a warrant and like how much evidence do you need to get a warrant? Because presumably if they just searched the room, they killed them all, they'd find the cleaver.

And I mean, is a black market in the UK, I think in the US, as well as to be signed by a judge, anything to make like a decent case. I think on the balance of probabilities, you'll find something there. So if you want to call it often, they will get search warrants for something unrelated to the thing. Yes, I got your address. If they're looking for evidence of, say, I know a murder, they might say, hey, you know, he's using drugs and we got a search warrant looking at house for drugs.

Let's start looking in places that you can possibly be storing drugs like in a wardrobe where some things like evidence of actual murder, you can definitely see drugs in the wardrobe.

You can, but it would be very inconvenient and like, oh, I don't know.

I mean, this is the opposite. That's true.

I'm not going to say that I've seen it done, Jimmy, but I think I was quoted in law school was like, you know, they'll say like we're looking for a missing person. We think they might be here and we have your search warrant and then they'll be looking around in your kitchen drawers and like down the back of a bathroom, stops looking for drugs, rather.

So presumably the fact that all the girls are connected to him would be enough to get a warrant. Yes, I would be astonished if it wasn't, and yet they can or either that or they do have a war and they've searched it and he just cleans up very well.

But that's the strategy of getting one random woman to really tantamount to murdering so that he can pass through the door at the last minute. Is so foolproof, Duncan.

Yeah, but the thing is, he doesn't even want to murder that girl. No, she has to work very hard to work very hard to get herself almost murdered.

Yes. This is another slightly interesting thing about this film and its presentation of women is sort of John is very much about like Helen, like, you know, you're not like any other girl I've ever met. And it's like this is different with you, you know, and you just genuinely fall in love with her. Yeah. And then, like, we see that the reason that she's different from every other girl he's ever met is because she's been lying to him the entire time in an insane way that no human being would ever act like.

Yeah, and pretty much so. Yeah. That's another big critique. I think the film is slightly good. So as an actual thriller horror film, did you find that particularly effective on delivering either the frills or the scarers?

No, no, no.

I mean, I don't really I guess I had definitely a thriller element, so I liked it. I liked it for sure.

I liked her a lot. I'm just I mean, obviously Ferlazzo much more loosely defined genre.

So I suppose it's slipped from the title that it was a horror film like Straight Out. And I was like, hey, this is not. And then I was like, OK.

I guess it's also for, like I say, seven hour horror in the modern sense. But I feel like an older horror is do tend to be more leaning towards thrillers. I feel like nowadays we're very used to jump scares and yeah, like ridiculous amount of tension is being built and all that stuff, whereas this feels more like you're just watching stuff happening. And then the thing that sort of thrilling or scary is the severity of the stuff happening or something like that.

You know, um, yeah, I was thinking I think if I was to describe it the way that I was personally sort of engaging with the film, I think it was almost entirely visual. I would say for me that I was the only which I was really enjoying it. I think if it had been ever been less good looking film, I don't think I would have enjoyed that. Yeah.

And so, I mean, for me, there are a couple of nice little bits, like there's a he murders the people that start on the train.

Oh yeah. And then then he said, you know, disturb sign on. And that was like a little bit of humor.

He's a big agressor of doorknobs, you notice, and everything. Actually, you never to. I mean, normally it's always like a gentle stroke.

Yeah. And so like I like that, that, you know, a bit that was funny. And then the other part that made me laugh was he he like burns the body and then it cuts to them having breakfast and life's like, oh, don't you smell something burning? And then it like comes down to reveal that they're at the table.

And it's as I say, that was my favorite scene in the entire film for many of those scenes. That among them. Yeah, a good breakfast scene is the one where he murdered his wife. And then to celebrate his newfound freedom, he gets breakfast in his jammies, which I liked. Yes.

Is that the one where the maid pours his wife a cup of tea?

Yeah, exactly. But you're missing the jammies. And that's the video that was seen.

And he just did he just didn't want to wear his pyjamas.

That's why he kills it from that high society.

Society shuts down Jamie and the last woman steals his dressing down and that's why he had to kill her. Yeah. You're not being the film correctly. Exactly. Exactly.

Yeah. And oh, and the other the other Cupitt was when there's like the scream on the TV. Oh I can't. Is that was that was could you imagine like having to answer the door after murdering someone.

Like you'd be choking yourself.

No. Now he is taking on a cold night, but yeah, yeah, he murders her in the door, but it's just that that film really stole that plot point from the superior classic Home Alone.

And I can't forget it was it was quite Homolovi, wasn't it? Pretty good. Pretty good stuff. I think it was actually a real film as well. The audio was from I think it was one of his earlier films. Oh, really? Yeah.

Let's review some attribute. Anything else you want to say about this particular film, it's not got much to talk about. The club that they go to looks pretty lit.

Oh yeah, they go to it twice, which is quite rare. It's very 70s, though. I like it.

Yeah, it's very white trousers going almost alone, which is like for poor people dancing and they're like dancing very close to each other, ignoring everyone other than themselves. Yeah, that was pretty good.

Um. Oh there's a bit when he's in his childhood room and it's just like huge long like Palace Room if all this stuff in it and then the woman's like, oh we've all, we all had a room like this, like when we were growing up we, we were all in a room like this. I was like, what the fuck. But who who who had a room like that growing up was just talking about having like a childhood bedroom.

Right. Like, we've all got a room full of memories. Yeah.

But he's it's like from this little classic piece of literature, Jeff Kinney's Diary of a Wimpy Kid, the movie, there's a passage where he says that kid's bedroom becomes a museum of stuff that they were interested in growing up. And now it reminds me of it. I'm looking at mine at the moment. And that is that is true. Yes.

But really, the poet laureate of our time.

Well, there was like, God, Inspector Houllier has a little monologue, very badly written ones that he talks about how and he struggles with catching this particular serial killer because he can't understand why he's doing it. You understand any crime comes from a human impulse. If it's not from that, then he stumbles and that's why it's his job. Right. So I now I guess also part of it is just like mentally disturbed people are scary because you can't understand them.

Well, then I got to ask the film kind of refute, actually. Just tell me what his deal was, I suppose to expect an antagonist anyway. So ignore all of that. Yeah.

You say the antagonist. Do you feel like you saw John?

Well, that's something I suppose is kind of interesting because obviously I'm obviously very old. I like different definitions of protagonist and antagonist, but. You do I think you are kind of support as opposed to, like, at least sympathize with them during the second half of the film when it's just being tormented by you deserve it clearly. Yeah, obviously, he's never morally in the right in any scene throughout the entire film. But I suppose maybe part of the reason the film left me a little emotionally cold is that he is the point of view characters that were and you never really.

At least in the first half of the film, you haven't really encouraged to empathize with them and even in the second half of your well, the second half, you've seen everything he's done. And it's more about, you know, just portraying a guy, but someone who very clearly deserves it and by a character who I like a lot more and deserves to get one up on him. Right. Like, I know. Maybe that's why I wasn't engaged in the journey.

Maybe in France. I have a lot of films that we've done, so maybe I'm just horrible. Maybe I'm an empathetic person. What do you think?

And I agree.

You're probably in on an emphatic person. Thank you. But regarding the film.

Oh, what do I think about how it engages you?

Yeah. Did you find it particularly in the way that I find it watchable?

I wouldn't say I and I really like watching it. But again, that's just because it's a very pretty film and a very imaginative.

It was. Yeah, I feel like I feel like I had a I feel like I would rather watch one of his other films for sure.

Yeah, definitely. But, you know, maybe it's good. It's always kind of interesting to watch like a bad film by a good director. Exactly. So you can sort of like see how much their technical skill can you use the word from, like, declining quality. Yeah. Just how solid their grasp of the fundamentals are.

So, yeah, this must be one of his lesser films that I came away from it thinking, wow, this guy is incredibly talented at what? We speak pretty well for him.

Yeah, definitely. And I mean, this one this one doesn't even have a cult following. This is like Lynche. Yeah. Like totally obscure because apparently a lot of his films are not necessarily traditionally good films, but they have this following the old films.

But remember, it's not all members of it's more popular ones. I forgot to write them down.

No, they all had pretty generic and names, as horrible as I used to say and like, you know, whatever.

Yeah, but yeah, I look up to this guy just it's awesome. Summer Mario Brothers, admirers and people. He drew inspiration from John Carpenter, Martin Scorsese, Francis Ford Coppola, Quentin Tarantino and Timothy Burton. If people are so nice, I certainly felt quite a lot of Francis Ford Coppola actually really reminds me of him. Obviously a very good association to have. Yeah. And, you know, obviously, John, I think, you know, the more horror directors a bit is they just like thematic connection.

I suspect the other films that they're really more inspired by. Yeah, I really like in terms of the style, it really did remind me a couple of long. Yeah, sure. Also, Stanley Kubrick, in a way, although he wasn't so I got this kind of coincidence. Hmm. Just like the staging. Uh, yeah, yeah.

I guess I would say I would say good old Francis is more. Yeah.

Francis like particularly now that like they said, like Francis had seen these films. I can definitely be like, yeah these like these are similar. And I was right for Nelson. So yeah.

Mario Patha Black Sunday Blood and Black plays Black Sabbath like sort of black apparently Black Sabbath.

It's a very famous name. It's a band Jimmy. I know, really.

But you know, maybe they took the name from the film The Enduring Legacy, A Bay of Blood, The Evil I Kill Baby, Kill the weapon, the body, Lisson the devil, rabid dogs, planet of the vampires. So, um.

Oh so like I Vampiro. I mean that's quite popular.

Well it could be. And the evil I guess could be. I mean these are these are the English titles and as we've seen. Oh there is one. Yeah I vampyre I pury the vampires in English apparently. Yeah. So I mean there's, there's. Oh he did Hercules's. Well I think he shot Oh Hercules.

I think he shot that if I remember correctly.

And Gilfry Hercules film. Yeah. Yeah.

So yeah. Um pretty interesting. Oh. You know um lower petty and voice the devil in Italian double the exorcist. I know that when you go home, it's pretty interesting for them, right? What else have I got here?

And oh, this sounds like pretty fun, didn't it?

Oh, yeah, that was great. It was very well populated. And for say it was I was I've got I've got to stay on the story, Jamie, OK. I want to share.

I do, but I don't know if it's actually a good story because I told it once and the people and didn't react very well. So maybe it's not good but you can tell it to me.

And then I'll tell you at the end, if it's a good story, please.

Race is working. I was working at the end. The more I think about it, the more I think it's a bad story. I haven't seen it yet, but I was working at the Fringe Festival and there's this this show on called S.A. and was this drag queen, it does like like plays a séance. Someone needs to say on Sunday the they like take the audience through like a séance and it's all very like flamboyant, very calm. It was it was quite good, quite entertaining.

And obviously I was very used to seeing this person in this like drag queen character. And and then one time they start they start the show under a table and so, like, they are under the table and they, like, jump on the audience, like fully in character with her. And so one time I was I was doing the show and I was standing at the back of it and we were a bit late starting. So the technician was like, oh, we're a bit late starting and whatever.

And then since started talking to me from under the table and in like to the normal voice. And it was like the most surreal experience for me because they were like, you know, I was used to seeing them in like this, like insane. Well, everything. And then suddenly they were just like under the table, just like, oh, how's your day been over? It's like it's so I feel that's not good.

So it was a five all ten story if I knew what to say. Sounded like normally I've definitely rated much higher. It's just I don't time to go off.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if I told that very well.

So it's only really funny if you know what if if you've seen them before. Yeah. Think issue.

I mean you know obviously if you think of a drag queen like just, just imagine a drag queen and like the persona they put on and then imagine them being in like full, full costume, full drag and also being under a table and but like just talking to you in their normal voice, I don't think it's helping, but no, I don't.

Oh, man. But we did actually do did. As a new segment on the show, Duncan tells a bad story.

Sure. Why not? You can go every week, every week, I think up something every week you can think of.

The one thing we had we had we had the John Cleese one last week, which wasn't a great story, was it? That was just I like the one, actually. I talked to John Cleese. The toilet. Yeah, it's a pretty good one. Yeah. Let's go on and just read this and say, OK, yeah. You know, this one was I even I had it written in my notes here. I was like Kelsi on this story.

Questionmark and should I should I tell it, it's never got a good response before. And then I mean, the good thing about this is the only response I got was yours. You know, I can believe in my head to the audience, loved it. And we're laughing.

They'll never tell you otherwise. Oh, dear. Um, and what else is it here? Oh, he tells, uh, am I right in thinking that he tells a joke about killing and raping and.

Yeah, it's very weird. Yeah. Uh, that is like if there was ever a point where you're like, OK, something's up with Helen, which then is like, yeah, I'm mutilated and raped. Your sister in law.

Yeah. Who's her sister? Rosie. Rosie. Uh, yeah. One of the models who died before. I'm assuming the one on the train. I don't know for sure, but definitely one of the models who had killed previously. Yeah.

Yeah. So yeah. OK. Because the implications that like the inspectors, like if you want to avenge your sister then you should do this for me. Yes, I agree.

Yeah. So I am. Yeah. I find that pretty weird that you made that joke. You just like. Yeah I raped and killed her.

Like I say, I think the big takeaway is that, uh, Patrick's not a very healthy boy and he doesn't relate to women very well. Patrick. Uh, sorry, John. I got I got it again.

When you get to the part of the moral of that film, in a way, that's a nice comparison and that's a good film. I'd watch it again. I never seen it. I've got because I've seen it all. I need to watch it. It's on that subject to it one day. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Give it a watch. That's American Psycho for those that don't know who Patrick Bateman is.

And I've got to because I was not ready yet, but.

Oh yeah. By something else. Right. I don't know if I got it here quickly. We can read it every day. It's across the room. But I think it says Ellis.

I think it's right now it's I think it's across the room.

I can just see it. Yeah. And OK. So I think it's that the whole. I don't think there's a bit where the inspector and it says to him that he must be a very lucky man and then he looks at the woman and he's like, very lucky, which is a bit creepy, but misogynistic and such as many of your jokes are really quite at your own.

Um. I wanna hear what film we're doing next week. I've taken an executive decision when I'm doing this. Also, we may be doing next week.

Next week we're going to do the Cheyenne Social Club, which is the 1970 American Western comedy film, which stars. Can you guess? No, James Stewart and friend of the show, Henry Fonda, in his second appearance in two films with them. And it's about a cowboy who inherits a bar and it turns out to be a brothel. Oh, looks like a fun time. And also it's available for free on the Internet. So that's.

Oh, James, you're from from Michigan and other things, Rear Window. And it's wonderful films. What films? Yeah, oh, it's wonderful. I was just watching a video that had a bit of that in it, and I don't like It's a Wonderful Life very much. I know I don't either. Your my, my, my big it's a Wonderful Life take is that too much of the film is spent establishing his life rather than actually doing the whole fun thing.

My, my, my wonderful life take is that it's not a wonderful life and he has a pretty nice life.

Like, no, nobody's in the film is not wonderful. Or you see near the Mrs. Brown's like wonderful Christmas special.

You know, there was an episode of Mrs. Brown and much like Fight Club by Sister and Chief. I fucking love it.

I love people like hate people that like it. And I find it very funny. Um, but like all all of Mammy Brown's friends convince her that she's like, it's wonderful life. Like she's in that world. And like, this is really funny. Yeah, it's good. Yeah.

My other one, this Wonderful Life take, is that just because we were talking about us like state is hard to like talk about his life is that in that film he has like he seems to enjoy his life quite a lot until he has one bad day, which I feel it would be much more effective if he actually hated his life, like, you know, as a bit of a trend. Yeah. You know, just say, yeah, it is.

So as I was saying, I found a new YouTube channel today, Jamie, I called Jake Jake Tranh. And and he makes videos about how to make money illegally, essentially, or not legally and immorally. And so I watched one about how and like people make money from war. And he had one about how banks make money. And he had one about the economics of the Mafia and how to how to make money illegally as a politician without drawing attention to yourself.

And and they're all really interesting. And they use these, like, footage from films that are relevant and in the background. So it's like very I'm like visually nice as well. And you can sit and be like, oh, I know that film. And it was pretty interesting. I just found out today and what the banking one had. It's life and that's why I brought up. And so I got to I mean, he's got, uh, he's got one hundred seventy five thousand subscribers and we have five.

So, um, yeah. I don't really think he needs a show.

But so anyway, uh, if we're doing recommendations like last time we were talking about, I realize I forgot to mention Patrick Williams has a very good film, YouTube channel that is also quite good. And I would recommend to you. Nice. Yeah.

Cool one for. Oh, I just I just had a kind of Ironbridge Jamie girl one oh oh. Oh yeah. Plus you know, you know what I find downstairs. Well I'm an original recipe Imbrie that we kept from my slot. So maybe I maybe I'll do it, maybe I'll do a taste test video on the channel.

Oh. Of like a normal one. And then you know when it goes day I imagine it goes out quite soon.

It's probably. Well now you can go.

Yeah she was, it was during twenty eighteen. I think that they changed the name.

I'll go have a look at it.

I mean I don't imagine it because they really now, I mean I think it's not going to have a use by date. No. Um OK.

So what's interesting talking about last week Jamie, I watched, I watched a remake of um. Oh yeah. Yeah. And I had to agree mostly with your, uh, what you said objectively.

Correct. About everything. Well, in our world.

Yeah. And but I did also enjoy it a lot more and like it. Yeah. I would say it's pretty much as I expected where like I didn't like it as much in terms of being realistic or being like clever or whatever, but I definitely enjoyed it more because I could just sit and relax and watch like a dumb film.

Yeah, it's certainly not it's not one you really need to think about, whereas. No, exactly. I very much did. You did you watch a gentlemen. I didn't.

I'm sorry. It might still be.

Do you get films for seven days on Amazon. Uh, some of them I can't. I'll be honest, I'm not entirely sure.

Why don't you want to watch it, Jamie? I just I'd rather watch something good, it's good, Jimmy, in a bad way.

Anyway, my my gambling, my friend takes up all my time thinking, oh, is that why you didn't watch this film to this afternoon?

Because you gave me two days notice and then told me at the last minute yesterday that I need to go to school.

So I didn't really want. I don't really want. A repeat of recording at. Like midnight. Yeah, yeah, me too self-congratulatory, I think it was episode one. Okay, what do you think must be matter. Let's talk about Orange.

So I would I would rate this episode. Watch if it's on and we don't know the actual phone. Yeah. You should actually go so far as to say buy it.

Whoa. I really liked it. I didn't come across too well and like, yeah, you're talking about just you didn't like it, but that's just because I didn't like the story very much.

But like visually, it is genuinely interesting enough to me to justify the purchase. It's just that I lack the vocabulary to articulate those feelings. And for that I apologize. OK, well I, I would rate it.

I'll tell you what I would rate is watch if it's on. But with the caveat of um by by one of the director's other films. Yeah. That's my wish.

I wish, I wish it had time to watch some of the other ones so I could like specifically recommend one. But um have a look, have a look at what's critically acclaimed or. Well it's like a seems to be a popular cult, one of his and then I would buy one of those, just give it a try because based on this one and these. Yeah. It's very skilled and good. But I would say, I would say for this one watch if it's on or someone says to you, but I wouldn't I wouldn't spend your money on it.

Coolio. Right.

You could cry you if it's free. I guess you could. But you know, I'm not going to I would outrated to watch if it's on. All right, we'll beyond anything else, I, um, for the party to start, um, buying the plug.

Well, I don't know anything to plug. What have you been up to? You've been up to much.

Uh, I've almost finished with Dark Souls, and so you can look forward to me demanding that my peers forseen.

When I finished, I finished the main campaign of Spider-Man.

Oh, well, you've got like 24 hours or so to finish the DLC if you want.

Well, Jimmy, I've only just started the DLC, so, um, the more you get your kids for one day. What else is happening? Yeah, I've continued my Studio Ghibli marathon, so this week I watched Porco Rosso, which is a lovely film, is genuinely fantastic if you're in the mood to watch one. I recommend it not. But yeah, I know you're not into things that are fun or good and.

And yeah, sort of in my day or week, well, I've been I've been reading the first book, I've been reading the third book of case closed.

Oh yeah. You enjoying it? Well, what like mysteries are that I've forgotten there on the ship.

OK, have you you don't read it though. I've you I've read a few volumes of it.

I watched episodes of the Analytical. So it's like about the very, very beginning then like I'm kind of OK from what you're saying. I think you've already passed where I am.

It's the first book there on a ship I've thought I read the first two ages ago and then I'm just doing this one by four. It's quite like an easy obviously a very easy thing to read, you know. So it's not really in it's for kids, right?

It's for everyone, I think.

Yeah. I mean but I mean, it's not it's not like an adult one that's particularly advanced. I'm not saying it's for kids. Oh right. Right. Yeah. So I don't like you.

I'm not going to read it because I mean like it's the age, the sort of base age is you know I think well I think like the target market is like kids and office workers like very specifically is why I was trying to like hedge my bets there and its target demographic. But yeah, I don't like to know all the mysteries about long, which I think is partly why they're mostly just one chapter. Exactly.

Exactly. But it's pretty interesting. And I've been playing I've been playing transport fever to again.

Mm. Transport Fever one. They're basically the same game. I honestly don't know what's changed between them. Like I because I bought the second one and then I played it and I was like. Fish fingers, please. OK, my mom just can't treat her like fish or fish fingers, so I think fish fingers night have a very special but it's such a lucky boy, I think fish fingers and having chicken tenders tomorrow night.

So they'll be good. And what was I saying?

You're talking about transport fever, too. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

So the I played the first one and I bought the second one and I'm only. I don't know if there's a difference between the two games at all, and there must be surely, um, but like, I really don't know what it is because I'm pretty sure that giving them a very generous view there.

Well, I mean, if you've not played either of them, then just buy one and play it. I guess the campaign like I don't play the campaigns, they just play the free games. And I don't know I don't know what the difference is, but it's a fun game. It's really fun game. And basically, you like you're linking up and. Like industries to towns and so like very simple, so a lot of games like that are pretty complex, you know, I mean and like skylines and stuff like City Skyline's.

Exactly where is this one is like very simple. And you've got like an iron mine and a coal mine. And then there's a steel plant and then there's like a good factory that turns steel and something else into it. And all you have to do is say like build, build a stop at the mines built up at the steel build, stop at the goods and then build the Serpentine and then just like Asain trucks to drive the stuff between them and like try and roughly line up the numbers and like that's the game.

And then and then once you start to grow the cities, like people want to travel to other cities, so then you build public transport and all that kind of stuff. But it's just it's like very simple, very chill. A lot of people complain about it because they're like there's no challenge to it. But I kind of like that in a game sometimes. Like, I definitely appreciate the challenges me. But it's also nice just like sit back and like the very basic challenge.

You just like linking stuff up, you know.

Hmm. Maybe. And it's like stuff like Animal Crossing as well, although I guess the life long as pressure on them.

Yeah exactly. Or something.

Oh the other game I've been playing a bunch of The Sims, The Sims Medieval, which is an expansion of Sims four.

No, it's, it's, I think it's like seven Sims free era and it's not it's not an expansion in any way, but I guess it's got the same base and gameplay. And basically you you like create a kingdom and you create the monarch and then you can choose what buildings you build them or do. And again, it's like very simple. There's only like six different heroes and buildings. And like it's not like you level them up, they just get placed down and you can decorate the interior, but you can't really do much.

And but the cool thing is it's like an RPG game.

So you get quests. So like you placed on six heroes. But then to actually play the game, you have to pick which quests you want to do and which hero. And then you complete the task for that quest. And you can also do like the extra stuff that you can only do in The Sims. But it's cool because like the other things you create, you just go about their lives and like, I don't know, it's just a fun game.

Yeah. You know, and unfortunately, it got like kind of dumped by. Yeah. As many casting.

That's the thing about holidays like like live service games is like eventually the company is going to be exactly where it's going.

Single player experience experiences forever. Exactly. And it's pretty, it's pretty stable. And they they added an expansion pack just before they abandoned it and which has like a few glitches in it and stuff which are never going to be fixed. But the overall game is, is because it because it's not like an online game. It doesn't really matter that they've abandoned it because they abandoned it after, like, creating and patching it a bit. So it's pretty good.

You know, the other one I used to play was in The Sims two castaway, which is one everyone.

I owned a copy of that game. I don't know why don't you ever play it? I played a bit of it. I find it really fun. I don't know.

We, um, uh, maybe that's why there was on the way. Everyone on it. Yeah. It must be. Must be.

But obviously we like recognizable brand on. Exactly. Yeah. But it was a fun one.

It was kind of like the Sims but obviously on a desert island. And the cool thing about that one which you created, the people that were on your ship at the start, but then you had to find the people. Right. So like let's say I made like you, me and like four other people I would start playing is me. And I was like all I'd have. And only once I progressed a certain bit for the game would I be able to find you.

And then I'd be able to feed you and like move you into the camp. And then, like, you know, we'd have to explore and like find other ones, which I find like a cool, cool thing.

Yeah, yeah. It's fun. It's fun.

The issue of like seems like the same stuff as that, like in terms of like introducing obstacles to overcome, I suppose when you take away the setting and somewhere else that comes a lot easier to introduce.

Yeah exactly. Yeah. Like the yeah. So like the castaway you have to survive and the medical like you had the quest to do where it's like the normal sims is pretty. Open and. Yeah, is that what you're saying is like what can what you're saying? Yeah, I suppose so. Know why really misses like multiplayer sims because I think I think The Sims two is the only game that had it. And I played a bunch of that and that was really fun.

And but for some reason, that's just not a thing anymore. It was like you just said, you could sit with someone and, like, make a house together and whatever. It didn't work great, like as a as a like actually it didn't work great.

But just like I think like local multiplayer for most things, but particularly for PC has been very like phased out over the last year. For sure. For sure.

With the notable exception of Montana.

It's nice, but I mean, even even since you didn't have it, like it seems to be an old game that was on players, too, that they had the multiplayer and then they obviously just were like, this isn't. Worth it, but it was fun, it was fun to coexist in that kind of universe where you could do anything, but it was it was also very limited because I think you had to go to the same places all the time because it was splitscreen.

Yeah, you know, all right, well, I think that's yeah, I've said my piece that's in my piece. I don't want to I want to talk about dark for a very long time because I have opinions on that.

I want to be finished with the package, you know.

So when you when you finish out the dark, so dark, so special.

Exactly. Dark, so special. And Cheyenne Social Club. Oh, Junior, you have it you have it finished by next week. I think so. I'm on the final bus right now. So my three is Paul's and running in the background all the eco friendly. So.

All right, well I guess we better end before I get another Paraka and hope we lose all the fidge. So apologies. Apologies about the sound. It's a mine. It's going to be pretty, but I'll probably put like a disclaimer in and for that I might just get rid of it and then it wouldn't make sense.

I don't know. I mean, OK, I've got my recording. Is this but regardless. Uh, yeah. All right.

Bye, everyone. OK, bye bye. Love you all.