Ha ha ha. Four, three, two, one. Boom. Thank you. Thanks for doing this, man. Really appreciate it.

You're welcome.

Very good to meet you.

Nice to meet you, too.

Thanks for not lightin' this place on fire.

You're welcome. That's comin' later.

How does one just in the middle of doing all the things you do, create cars, rockets, all the stuff you're doing, constantly innovating, decided to make flamethrower where you have time for that.

Well, the thing I'd win wouldn't put a lot of time into the flamethrower, though. This was an off the cuff thing. And so I sort of like it.

It's sort of a sort of a hobby company called the Boring Company, which started out as a joke and we decided make it real and dig a tunnel literally, and then dig then people other people ask us to dig tunnels. And so we said yes in a few cases. And then and then we have a merchandise section that only has one piece of merchandise at a time and we start off with a cap. And there was only one thing. It was just boring company dot com slash cap or hat.

That's it. And then we sold the hats limited limited edition. I just had the boring company. And then I'm kind of Spaceballs the movie and in Spaceballs. Yogurt goes through the merchandising section and they have a flamethrower and the merchandising section of Spaceballs. And like the kids love that one. Best line when he pulls up the there are like we should do a flamethrower. So we. Does anybody tell you? No.

Does anybody go line?

Maybe for yourself. But selling a flamethrower. The liabilities. All the people you're selling this device to, we're kind of unhinged. People are gonna be buying a flame thrower in the first place. Do you really want to connect ourselves to all these potential arsonists? That's a terrible idea.

One by one, I I said, don't buy this flame thrower. Don't buy it. Don't buy it. That's what I said. But still, people bought it. There's nothing I can do to stop them.

It's you building it. I said don't buy it. It's a bad idea. How many do you make?

You. It's dangerous. It's got its wrong. Don't buy it. Still, do you know what it's like? I couldn't stop them.

How many do you make? Twenty thousand and they're all gone in three, I think four days, but sold out in four days.

Are you gonna do another run? No. Now is it? Yes. I said we'll do twenty. We did fifty thousand. 40000 hats. At and and. That was a million dollars. Okay, well, we'll sell something for 10 million. And that was 20000 flamethrowers at $500 each.

They went fast. Yeah.

How do you how do you have the time to do that, though? I mean, I understand that it's not a big deal in terms of all the other things you do, but how do you have time to do anything? I just I don't understand your time management skills.

I mean, agents spend much time on this flamethrower. I mean, to be totally frank, it's actually just a roofing torch with an air rifle cover. It's not a real flamethrower, which is why it says not a flame thrower. That's why we were very clear this is not actually a flame thrower. And it also it hold that various countries would would ban shipping of it, but they would not. They would ban flame throwers. So we're very to solve this problem for all the customs agencies.

We labeled it not a flame thrower. That work is ineffective? I don't know. I think so, yeah, so far, yes. No. But you said you cannot support flamethrower, but you do so many different things. Forget about the flame thrower. Like how do you do all that other shit? How do you how do you how does one decide to fix L.A. traffic by drilling holes in the ground? And who do you even approach with that?

Like when you have this idea? Who do you talk to about that?

I mean, I'm not saying it's going to be successful or or, you know, it's just like asserting that it's going to be successful. But so far, I've lived in L.A. for 16 years and the traffic has always been terrible. And so I don't see any other like ideas for improving the traffic.

So in desperation, we're going to dig a tunnel and maybe that tunnel will be successful and maybe it won't. I'm listen. Yeah. I'm not trying to convince you it's gonna work. And are the people it you or anyone but you are starting this, though.

This is actually a project you're starting to implement, right?

Yeah, I know. We've dug a bottom while it's quite long. Took a long time to walk it. Yeah.

Now when you're doing this. What? What is the ultimate plan? The ultimate plan is to have these in major cities and anywhere there's mass congestion and just tried out in L.A. first. Yeah, it's it's in L.A. because I mostly live in L.A.. That's the reason. It's a terrible place to dig tunnels. This is one of the worst place to dig tunnels because the doors mostly because of the paperwork. You'll think it's like, what about seismic is like actually both tunnels are very safe in earthquakes.

Why is that? Earthquakes are earthquakes are essentially a surface phenomenon. It's like like waves on the ocean. So if you if there's a storm, you want to be on the on a submarine. Mm hmm. So being in the tunnels is like being in a submarine. Now, the way the tunnels construct is constructed out of these interlocking segments, kind of like a snake. It's sort of like a snake exoskeleton with double seals. And so even when the ground moves, the it's able to the tunnel actually is able to shift along with the ground like like an underground snake.

And it doesn't crack or break or and and it's extremely unlikely that both seals would be broken. And it's it's it's capable of taking five atmospheres of pressure. It's waterproof methane proof, more gas proof of any kind. And meets all California seismic requirements. So when you have this idea, who do you bring this to? I'm not sure what you mean by that. Well, when you're you're implementing it. So you're digging holes the ground where you have to bring it to someone that lets you do it.

Yeah. So there were there were some engineers from Space X who were who thought it would be cool to do this. And the guy runs it like day to day. Steve Davis, his longtime Space-X engineer. He's great. So Steve is like, I'd like to help make this happen. Was it cool? So we started off with digging a hole in the ground. It's got like a permit for a pit like pit and dug a big pit.

And you had to tell them what the pits for you just said. Hey, which one? Dig a hole. Nice. Fill out this form. That's it. Yeah. It was put in our parking lot. But do you have to give them some sort of a blueprint for your ultimate idea? And do they have to approve it? Like, how does that work?

Now we're just starting off with a pit. OK. Big pit. And, you know, just not really. You know, they really care about the existential nature of a pit. You just say like, I want to pit. Right. Yeah. And it's a hole in the ground. So then we get the permit for the pit. And we dug the pit and we dug it in like three days to three days, actually to 48 hours.

Like that cause. Erekat said he was coming by for the hype, too. He was gonna tell the Hyperloop competition, which like a student competition we have for who can make the fastest part in the Hyperloop.

And he was coming. This was get the files are gonna be on Sunday afternoon. And so Eric was coming by on Sunday afternoons like, you know, we should take this pit. And then like, sure, Eric. So we it was like Friday morning. And then. Yeah. So how about a little over 40 hours, 40 hours later, we dug the pit. There's like when 24/7? Oh, 24, 48, 40 straight hours.

Something like that. And dug this big pit and. And we're like, sure. Eric Pitt like office is just a pit.

But hey, it's hold the ground's better than no hole in the ground. And what you tell me about this pit, I mean, you just said this is the beginning of this idea. Yes. We're gonna build tunnels under L.A. to help funnel traffic better. And they go and they just go, okay.

But we've joked around about this in the podcast before to like what other person can go to the people that run the city and go here to dig some holes on the ground and put some tunnels in there? And they go, oh, yeah, okay.

Now I know where the hole the ground, but it's people dig holes in the ground all the time.

But but Mike, my question is like I know how much time you must be spending on your Tesla factory. I know how much time you must be spending on space X, and yet you still have time to dig holes under the ground in L.A. and come up with these ideas and then implement.

And like I have a million ideas. I'm sure you did. No shortage of that. Yeah.

I just don't know how you manage your time. I don't understand it. It didn't seem it doesn't even seem humanly possible.

You know, I do. Basically, I think we all like don't totally understand what I do with my time. They think like I'm a business guy or something like that. Like my Wikipedia page says business magnate.

What would you call yourself? A business magnet.

Please change my Wikipedia page to magnet. Don't change it right now. He's probably right. Change. It's locked. So somebody has to be able to unlock it and change it to magnets. Someone to get me a magnet. I do it engineering and, you know, and manufacturing and that kind of thing. That's like 80 percent or more of my time ideas.

And then the implementation of those ideas does like hardcore engineering, like, you know, designing things, you know.

Right. Structural, mechanical, electrical, software, user interface, engineering, aerospace engineering.

But you must understand, there's not a whole lot of human beings like you. You know that, right to your own autisms. Yes.

Chimps like me. We're all chimps. Yeah, we are. We're one notch, one notch above a chimp. Some of us are a little more confused when I watch you doing all these things, like how does this motherfucker have all this time and all this energy and all these ideas?

And then people just let him do these things because I'm an alien. That's what I've speculated. Yes. I'm on record saying this in the past. I wonder it's true. If there was one, I was like if there was like maybe an intelligent being that we created, you know, like some A.I. creature that's a superior to people, maybe you'd just hang around with us for a little while like you've been doing and then fix a bunch shit.

And that's the way I might have a sudden mutation or something like that. You might.

Do you think you do? Probably. Do you wonder, like, are you around normal people you like? Think what's up with these boring, dumb motherfuckers ever. Not bad for a human. But I think it will not be able to hold a candle to a-I.

Mm hmm. You scared the shit out of me when you talk about a between you and Sam Harris. Consider until at a podcast with Sam wants, right? He made me shit my pants.

Talking about A.I., I realized like, oh, well, this is a genie that once it's out of the bottle, you never getting it back in.

That's true. There was a video that you tweeted about one of those Boston dynamic robots, you know, like in the future it'll be moving so fast you can't see it without a strobe light.

Yeah, you could probably do that right now. And no one's really paying attention to much other than people like you or people that are really obsessed with technology. All these things are happening and these robots are. And do you see the one where PETA put out statement that you shouldn't kick robots?

Probably not wise for retribution, that their memory is very good. I bet it's really good. It's really good. I bet it is. Yes.

And getting better every day. Really? Are you honestly, legitimately concerned about this? Are you like A.I., one of your main worries in regards to the future? It. Yes. It it's less of a worry than it used to be mostly due to. Taking more of a fatalistic attitude. Mm hmm. So you used to have more hope and you gave up some of it and now you don't worry as much about. You like this is just what it is.

Pretty much. Yes. Yes, I know it is. But no, it's not necessarily bad. It's just it's definitely gonna be outside of human control. Not necessarily bad, right? Yeah, it's not it's not necessarily bad. It's just it's just outside of human control.

The thing that's gonna be tricky here is that it's gonna be very tempting to use A.I. as a weapon. It can be very tempting, in fact, it will be used as a weapon. So the the art, the the onramp to serious a-I. The danger is going to be more humans using it against each other, I think most likely. That will be the danger. How far do you think we are from something that can make its own mind up, whether or not something's ethically or morally correct or whether or not it wants to do something or whether or not it wants to improve itself or whether or not it wants to protect itself from people or from other A.I.

. How far away we are from something that's really, truly sentient. Well, I mean, you could argue that any group of people like it, like a company is essentially a site, a cybernetic collective of people and machines.

That's what a company is. And then there are different. There's different levels of complexity in the way these companies are formed. And then there are sort of. Is this like a collective A.I. in? In the Google sort of search, Google search, you know, the where we're also plugged in as like nodes on the network, like leaves on a big tree. Wolf. And Wolf, Wolf, feeding this network with our questions and answers. We're all collectively programming by.

And they and Google Plus, the older humans that connect to it, are one giant cybernetic collective. This is also true of Facebook and Twitter. And Instagram and all these social networks. The giant cybernetic collectives. Humans and electronics all interfacing and constantly now constantly connected. Yes. Constantly. One of things that I've been thinking about a lot over the last few years is that one of the things that drives a lot of people crazy is how how many people are obsessed with materialism and getting the latest, greatest thing.

And I wonder how much of that is while a lot of it is most certainly fueling technology and innovation. It almost seems like it's built into us to like what we like and what we want, that we're fueling this thing that's constantly around us all the time. And it doesn't seem possible that people are gonna pump the brakes. It doesn't seem possible at this stage. Were constant expecting new cell phone, the latest Tesla update, the newest MacBook Pro.

Everything has to be newer and better. And that's going to lead to some incredible point. And it seems like it's built into us, almost seems like it's an instinct that we we're working towards this, that we'd like it. That our job, just like the ants build the anthill. Our job is to somehow know the fuel. This. Yes. I made this comment some some years ago, but it feels like we are the biological bootloader for a guy.

Effectively, we are building it. And then we're building progressively greater and intelligence. And the percentage of intelligence that is not human is increasing and eventually we will represent a very small percentage of intelligence. But the the A.I. isn't formed strangely by the human limbic system. It is. In large part, our ED writ large. How so? We mentioned all those things, the sort of primal drives. Mm hmm. There's all other things that.

We like and hate. And fear. They're all there on the Internet. They're a projection of Olympic system. You know, it makes sense and the thinking of it as a. I mean, think of thinking of corporations and just thinking of just human beings communicating online through these social media networks as some sort of an organism that's a it's a cyborg. It's a combination combination of electronics and biology. You. This is so it's a measure like is that the success of these?

Online systems is that is is sort of a function of. Of how much limbic resonance? They're able to achieve with people. The more limbic resonance, the more engagement. Whereas like one of the reasons why probably Instagram is more enticing than Twitter limbic resonance. Yeah, you get more images, more video. Yes. Tweaking your system more. Yes. Do you worry about or wonder, in fact, of what the next step is? Mean, a lot of you didn't see Twitter coming that, you know, communicate with 140 characters or 280 now would be a thing that people would be interested in.

Like it's going to excel. It's gonna become more connected to us. Right. Yes, things are getting more, more connected there at this point, constrained by bandwidth, our input output is slow, particularly output output got worse with thumbs where you have input with 10, 10 fingers now thumbs. But images are just also there, a way of communicating at high bandwidth. Take pictures and you send pictures. People sense that's that communicates far more information than you can communicate with your thumbs.

So what happened with you? Were you decided or you took on a more fatalistic attitude? Like what? Was there any specific thing? Or was it just the inevitability of our future? I tried to convince people to slow down, slow down a I to regulate I. This was futile. I tried for years. This nobody listen in a movie. No, no, this robot fucking takeover. You're freaking me out. Nobody listened. Nobody else. No one.

Are people more inclined to listen today? It seems like an issue that's brought up more often over the last few years than it was maybe 5, 10 years ago. It seemed like science fiction. Maybe they will. So far, they haven't. I think people don't like the nominee the way that regulations work. It's very slow, very slow indeed. So. Usually it'll be something, some new technology. It will cause damage or death. There will be an outcry.

There will be investigation. Years will pass. There will be some sort of incite committee. There will be rule-making. Then there will be oversight, eventually regulations. This all takes many years. This is the normal course of things. If you look at, say, automotive regulations, how long did it take for seatbelts to be to be implemented, to be required? You know, the auto industry fought seatbelts. I think for more than a decade successfully fought any regulations on seatbelts.

Even though the numbers were extremely obvious, if you had a seatbelt on, you would be far less likely to die or be seriously injured. Unequivocal. And the industry fought this for years successfully. Eventually, after many, many people died. Regulators insisted on deadbolts. This is a time frame is not relevant to a I. You can't take 10 years from the point which is dangerous so late. And you feel like this is decades away or years away.

From being too late. If you have this fatalistic attitude and you feel like it's going well, we're in a almost like a doomsday countdown.

It's not necessarily a doomsday countdown. It's it's a out of control countdown out of control. Yeah, but people call it the singularity. And that's that's pretty good way to think about it. It's a single hour, it's hard to predict like a black hole. What what happens? Pass the event horizon. Right.

So once it's implemented, it's very different cause it once he's out of the bottle, what's going to happen and it'll be able to improve itself. Yes. That's where it gets spooky, right? The idea that it can do thousands of years of innovation, we're very, very quickly.

Yeah. And then we'll be just ridiculous. Ridiculous. We will be like this ridiculous biologicals, shitting, pissing thing, trying to stop the gods. No, stop. We like we like living with a finite lifespan and watching, you know, Norman Rockwell paintings. It could be terrible and it could be great. It's not clear. All right. But one thing's for sure, we will not control it.

Do you think that it's likely that we will merge somehow or another with this sort of technology and it will augment what we are now? Or do you think it will replace us? Well, that's the scenario that the emerge scenario with A.I. is the one that seems. Like probably the best life for us. Yes. Like, if you if you can't beat it, join it.

That's. Yeah. You know.

So from a long term existential standpoint, that's like the purpose of neuro link is to create a high bandwidth interface to the brain such that we can be symbiotic with A.I.. Because we have a bandwidth problem, you can't communicate through your fingers, it's too slow. And whereas neural link at right now. I think we'll have something interesting to announce in a few months. That's at least an order of magnitude better than anything else. I think better than public view anyone thinks as possible.

How much can you talk about that right now? I don't jump the gun on that.

But what's the ultimate what's what's the idea behind like what are trying to accomplish with it? What would you like best case scenario?

I think best case scenario, we. Effectively merge with A.I., where we AIS serves as a tertiary cognition layer, where we've got the limbic system, kind of a primitive brain, essentially you've got the cortex. So you're currently in a symbiotic relationship with your cortex and limbic system or in a somatic relationship. And generally people like their cortex and they like their limbic system. I haven't met anyone who wants to delete their limbic system or leave their cortex. Everybody seems sort of like both.

And the cortex is mostly in service to the limbic system. People may think that. That that there that the thinking part of themselves is in charge. But it's mostly their limbic system that's in charge and the cortex is trying to make the limbic system happy. That's what most of that computing power is answer towards. How can I make the limbic system happy? That's what I'm trying to do now. If we do have a third layer, which is the A.I.

extension of yourself, that is also symbiotic and there's enough bandwidth between the cortex and the A.I. extension of yourself. Such that the A.I.D. Doesn't de facto separate. Then that could be a good outcome, that could be quite a positive outcome for the future. So instead of replacing us, it will radically change our capabilities. Yes. It will. Enable anyone who wants to have super human cognition. Anyone who wants this is not a matter of earning power because you're earning power would be vastly greater after you do it.

So it's just like anyone who wants can just do it. In theory, that's the theory and. And if that's the case, then and let's say. Billions of people do it, then the outcome for humanity will be. The sum of. ofHuman will. The sum of billions of people's desire for the future. And billions of people with enhanced cognitive ability radically enhance. Yes and no, which would be it. But how much different than people today?

Look, if you if you had to explain it to a person. Who didn't really understand what you're saying? How much different are you talking about when you say radically improving? What do you mean? I mean, mine read wouldn't be difficult, it would be difficult to to really appreciate the difference.

It's like how much smarter are you with a phone or computer than without it? You're vastly smarter, actually. You know, you can answer any question if you connect to the Internet and answer any question pretty much instantly. Any calculation that your phone's memory is essentially perfect. You can remember flawlessly. Your phone can remember videos, pictures and everything perfectly. That's it. Your phone is already an extension of you. You're already a cyborg. You don't even.

Well, most will arise. There are already a cyborg. That phone is an extension of yourself. It's just that. The data rate, the rate at which of the communication rate between you and the cybernetic extension of yourself, that is your phone and computer is slow. It's very slow. And and that that it's like a tiny straw. Of of information flow between your biological self and your digital self. And we need to make a tiny straw like a giant rubber huge.

High bandwidth interface. Interface problem. Data rate problem. So the data rate problem. And I think. I think we can hang on to human machine symbiosis through the term. And then people may decide that they want to retain their biological self or not. I think they'll probably choose or attainable it biological self vs. some sort of Ray Kurzweil scenario where they download themselves into a computer.

You will be essentially snapshot it into a computer at any time. If your biological self dies, you could probably just upload into a new unit. Literally pass that whiskey is getting crazy ridiculous.

Down the rabbit hole. Grab that sucker. Gimme some of that. This is too freaky.

See, if I was thinking about this for a long time, by the way, I believe you. If I was talking to one on cheers, by the way. Cheers. Was great whiskey.

Thank you. The words came from who brought this to us trying to remember. Somebody gave us old camp, whoever it was. Thanks. Yeah, it is good. This is just inevitable.

Again, going back to your when you decided to have this fatalistic viewpoint. So you weren't. You tried to warn people. You talked about this pretty extensively. I've read several interviews where he talked about this. And then you just sort of just said, OK. Just as well.

It's just and you in a way, you're by communicating the potential fear. I mean, for sure, you're getting the warning out to some people.

Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I was really going on the winning quite quite a lot of.

Warning everyone I could. You've met with Obama and just for one reason. Look, just watch out about. Yes. And what did he say? So what about Hillary? Worry about her first.

You're quite right. He listened. He certainly listened. I met with Congress. I met with. I was at a meeting of all 50 governors and talked about just a danger. And I talk to everyone I could. No one seemed to realize where this was going. Is it that or do they just assume that someone smarter than them is already taking care of it? Because when people hear about something like a-I, it's almost abstract. It's almost it's almost like it's so it's so hard to wrap your head around it all the time.

It really happens. It would be too late.

Yeah, I think they. Didn't quite understand it or didn't think it was near term or. Not sure what to do about it. When I said, like, you know, an obvious thing to do is to just establish. Committee, gubment committee to gain insight, you know, before, before you oversight, before you do make regulations, you should try to understand what's going on. And then you have it inside committee. Then that once they learn what's gone on, get up to speed, then they can make maybe some rules for proposed some rules.

And and that would be probably a safer way to go about things, it seems. I mean, I know that it's probably something that the government's supposed to handle, but it seems like I wouldn't want to. I don't want the government to handle this. Who do you want to. I want you to handle. Oh, geez. Yeah, I feel like you're the one who could ring the bell better. Because if if Mike Pence starts talking about a I'm like, shut up.

You don't know anything about guy. Come on, man.

He isn't always talking about it. I don't have the power to regulate other companies. What am I supposed to think?

Maybe companies could agree.

Maybe there could be some sort of a there's we have agreements where you're not supposed to dump toxic waste into the ocean. You're not supposed to do certain things that could be terribly damaging, even though they'd be profitable. Maybe this is one of those things. Maybe we should realize that you can't hit the switch on something that's going to be able to think for itself and make up its own minds to whether or not it wants to survive or not and whether or not thinks you're a threat.

And whether I thinks you're useless. Like, why do I keep this dumb, finite life form alive? Why? Why keep this thing around?

It's just stupid. It just keeps polluting everything she ever where it goes, lighting everything on fire and shooting each other. Why would I keep this stupid thing alive? Because sometimes it makes good music. You know, sometimes it makes great movies. Sometimes it makes beautiful art. And sometimes, you know, sometimes it's cool to hang out with.

Yeah. My bolos raising up for us. Those are great reasons. Yes. But for anything objective, standing outside like this is definitely a flawed system. This is like if you went to the jungle, you watch these chimps engage in warfare and beat each other up so it would mix their fucking real fucking mean.

The real me. I saw a movie chimpanzee orthos me like some Disney thing, like, holy cow. What movie was at Levitical Chimpanzee.

Who was it? A documentary. Yeah.

Yeah, it's kind of like a documentary I like. Damn, these chimps are mean.

They're mean. Yeah, they're cruel.

They are. They're calculated. Yeah. Yeah. They sneak up on each other and realize chimps did calculated cruelty.

Yeah. Pretty. I left that meeting. I think it was dark. Right. Well, we know better because we've advanced. But if we hadn't, we'd be like, man, I don't want to fucking live in a house like the chimp plays, bro.

Chimp poised to go. This is it, man. Chimp life right now.

But we in a way to the A.I. might be like those chimps. We like these stupid fox launching missiles out of drones and shoot each other underwater like we're crazy. We got torpedoes, submarines and fucking airplanes that drop nuclear bombs indiscriminately on cities.

We're arseholes too. Yeah, they might go, why are they doing this?

It might like look at our politics. Look at what we do in terms of our food system. What kind of food we force down each other's throats. And they go this these people are crazy and we look out for themselves.

How much do we think about chimps? Not much. Very little. It's like a little. These chimps are at war. They these like look like groups or chimps just attack each other and they kill each other and they torture each other. It's pretty bad. They hunt monkeys. There, but like this is probably the most. But, you know, I mean, it was last night. All right, chimps love me. Yeah, all the time.

You do talk to a guy.

Awesome podcast, dude. Chimp chimps in the episode, OK? People are laughing right now. Yeah. Constantly obsessed. I saw that David Attenborough documentary on chimps when they were eating those colberts monkeys and ripped them apart. It's just that many, many years ago and just grew.

Changed how I go. Oh, this is why people are so crazy. We came from that thing. Yeah, exactly.

Know there's the bonobos. Yeah. They got a better philosophy. Yeah. They like swingers.

Yeah. They really are.

They're they they seem to be way more even than us, way more civilized.

It just seemed to resolve everything with sex.

Yeah. The only rules they have is the mom won't bang the son. That's it. OK, said mom. I'll bring her sons. They're good women. Yeah, good women. Bonobo community. Anybody else is banging it out?

Yeah. I haven't seen the bonobo movie. Well, they're disturbing just at a zoo.

You know, you have bonobos at the zoo. They're just constantly going constantly fucking. Yeah, it is Woodstock. Yeah. And they don't care. Gay, straight, whatever. Let's just fuck with these labels.

I haven't seen bonobos at a zoo. That's probably like but not on the PJ section.

I don't think they have them at many zoos. We've looked at the zoo looking for the awkward. I think that's the thing. The ability to keep regular chimps at zoos because bonobos are just always jacking off. Yeah. What's that they have in San Diego?

Diego has got some really interesting parks. Yeah. I mean, how many other in a cage? Mostly. Right. It's going to be pretty intense.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're we're a weird thing, you know. And I've often wondered whether or not we're you know, our ultimate goal is to give birth to some new thing.

And that's why we're so obsessed with technology, because it's not like this technology is really I mean, it's certainly enhancing our lives, too, in a certain way. But is mean ultimately. Is it making people happier? Right now, most technology would say no. In fact, you know, we're talking about social media before this, about just not having Instagram on your phone and not dealing. You feel better. Yes.

I think that one of the issues with social media, it's been point out by many people is that. I think maybe particularly Instagram people look like they have a much better life than they really do.

Right. So by design. Yeah. People are posting pictures of when they are really happy. They're modifying those pictures to better looking in. If they're not modifying the pictures, they're at least selecting the pictures for the best lighting, the best angle. So people basically seem they're way better looking than they actually really are. Right. And they're we happy seeming than they really are. So if you look at everyone on Instagram, you might think, man, there are all these happy, beautiful people and.

I'm not that good looking and I'm not happy, so I must suck, you know. And that's going to make me feel sad. So when in fact. Those people you think are super happy, actually. Not that happy. Some of them were really depressed. They're very sad.

So my happiest saying people actually some of the saddest people in reality. And nobody looks good all the times, no matter who you are. No, it's not even something you should want. Why do you look great all the time?

Yeah, exactly. So. So I think I think things like that can make people quite sad.

I just just my comparison, because you sort of people people generally think of themselves relative to two others. It's a we are constantly re. Rebase lining our expectations. And you can see they say if you watch some show like naked and afraid or if you just go and try living in the woods by yourself for a while and you'll like the learn that civilization is quite great, has lots lot of people want to come back civilization pretty fast on not afraid.

Wasn't that Thoreau quote, the comparison is the thief of joy. Yeah, of happiness is reality minus expectations. That's great, too. But the comparison is the thief of joy really holds true to peep. Is it Theodore Roosevelt?

Roosevelt. Fascinating. In when you think about Instagram, because what essentially Instagram is with a lot of people is you're giving them the opportunity to be their own PR agent and they always go towards the glamorous, you know. And when anybody does show you no hashtag, no filter they have, they really do do that. Like, Oh, you're so brave. Lucky you don't makeup.

No. Yeah, they look good anyway. You look great. We do. Oh, my God. You know, makeup by still hot as fuck. You know, you don't know what you're doing, too. They're there. They're letting you know. And then they feed off that comment section.

You still sitting there like click. It's a fresh stream of love, like you getting right up to the source as it comes out of the earth and you suck. And that's a lot of a lot of emergency water.

Modi emojis. Yeah. Let Toyoda's.

My what my concern is not so much what Instagram is, is that I didn't think that people had the need for this or the expectation for some sort of technology that allows them to constantly get love and adulation from strangers and comments and this ability to project this sort of distorted version of who you really are.

But I worry about where it goes.

Like, what's the next one? What's the next one? Like, where is it? Is it gonna be augmented? Some sort of a weird augmented or virtual sort of Instagram type situation where you're not gonna want to live in this real world.

You're gonna want to interface with this sort of world that you've created through your social media page. Some next level thing.

Yeah, go live in the simulation. Yeah, maybe in the simulator.

I'm ready. Player one type shit. That's real. That seems we have that HTC Vive here. I've only done it a couple times quite honestly, because it kind of freaks me out or my kids fucking love it man.

They love it.

They love playing these weirdo games and walk around that headset on. But part of me watching them do it goes, wow, I wonder if this is like the precursor.

Just sort of like if you look at that phone that Gordon Gecko had on the beach.

Yeah. Any compact cell phone. Yeah.

Compare that to a Galaxy Note 9. How the fuck did that become that? Right. And I wonder when I see this HTC Vive and like, what is that thing going to be 10 years from now when we're making fun of what it is now? What is it? How I mean, how ingrained and how how how connected and interconnected is this technology gonna be in our life? You will be. At some point, indistinguishable from reality, we will lose this, we lose this.

Like you and I just look at each other through our eyes. I see always you see me, I think. I hope you think so. I think you me over it. Regularise.

This could be some simulation. It could. Do you entertain that? Well, the argument for the simulation, I think is quite strong because if you assume any improvements at all over time, any improvement, 1 percent, 0.1 percent, just extend the time frame, make it a thousand years, a million years. The universe is thirteen point eight billion years old.

What would a civilization if you count? If you're very generous. Civilization is maybe seven or eight thousand years old if you count it from the first writing. There's nothing, there's nothing. So if you seem at any rate of improvement at all. Then games will be indistinguishable from reality. Or civilization will end, one of those two things will occur. Although we are most likely in a simulation or we're on our way. Right. Well, just because we are stressed, we could most certainly be on the road.

We could be on the road to that. Right. It doesn't mean it has to be in face reality. It could be on-base reality.

We could be here now on our way to the road or on our way to the destination where this can never happen again, where we are completely ingrained in some sort of an artificial technology or some sort of a symbiotic relationship with the Internet or the next level of sharing information. But right now, we're not there yet. That's possible, too, right? It's possible that a simulation is one day going to be inevitable, that we're gonna have something that's indistinguishable from regular reality, but maybe we're not there yet.

That's also possible. Well, yes, quite yet. This is real. When I touch that, feel very real. Maybe that's why everybody's again, like Mason jars and shit Mason Suede shoes.

People learn to like craft restaurants and they wouldn't want raw wood. Everyone says everyone should see metal people. It seems like people are like longing toward some weird log cabin type nostalgia reality.

Yeah, I like holding on, like clinging to sir, dragging their nails through the mud. Like, don't take me.

Yes, I want to. But then but then people go get a mason jar with the wine stem or handle. That stark makes me lose faith in humanity. Wayne, SDM and I handle they have those. Yes. The sturdy people that are the assholes. That's like people make pet rocks rough. Right. Some people are just assholes.

They take advantage of our generous nature.

It was made with the them, made with andl. They made it that way.

Yes. So them the ones where you found her light behind to the Mason jar.

You know, that would be fine if there was glued it on or something. No, Ayla was made that way.

White trash chic. Oh, this is disgusting. This is your order. This is terrible.

Yeah, that's like fake breasts that are designed to be hard, like fake breasts from the 60s.

It's like if you really long for the ones with rebels. Here we go.

That's always what that is. Yeah. What are you gonna do, man? It's not nothing.

You know, something to stop certain terrible ideas from propagating. Yeah. I don't know, Salick things were too dark because I think, like, you kind of have to. Be optimistic about the future. There's no point in being pessimistic. It's just too negative because this just doesn't help. You know, I think you want to be I mean, my theory is like you'd rather be optimistic. I think. I'd rather be optimistic and wrong than pessimistic and right.

Right. At least. Or on that side, right. Yeah. Because if if you're pessimistic, it's going to be miserable. Yeah. Yeah. Nobody wants me around you anyway. If it's the end of the world, you're like a fucking told you, bro. Yeah. The world's ending. Yeah, it is way too much for all, I mean. Enjoy the journey. Right. If you really want to get morose, I mean, it is what it is for all of us anyway.

We were all gonna go unless some something changes. Yeah. I mean ultimately, you know, even if we just sort of existed as humans forever, we'd be. We'd still eventually I'd be like the heat death of the universe.

Brian Israelian yes or no.

But if we get it past the sun, if we figure out a way past the sun running out of juice, eventually it's gonna end. It's just a question of when. Right. So really it's all about the journey. Mm hmm. Or transcendence from whatever we are now into something that doesn't worry about death. The universe as we know it, will dissipate into a fine mist. Of cold nothingness eventually. And then someone's gonna bottle it and put a fragrance to it.

Sell it to French people in another dimension.

This is a very long time. So I think it's really just about how can we make it last longer?

Are you a proponent of the multi universes theory? Do you believe that there are many, many universes and that even if this one fades out, that there's other ones that are starting fresh right now and there's an infinite number of them and they're just constantly in this never ending cycle of birth and death. I think most likely this is just about probability. There are many, many simulations. These simulations are we might as well call them reality. Or you could call them the multiverse.

These simulations you believe are created like someone has many. They're running on a substrate. So that substrate is probably boring, boring. House A. Well, when we create a simulation. Like a game or a movie. It's a distillation of what's interesting about life. You know, it it takes to take a year to shoot an action movie. And then that's all to slow down into two or three hours. So we tell you, you see an action movie being filmed.

It's boring. Super boring. Takes does like lots of takes us everything in a green screen, looks pretty goofy, doesn't look cool, but once you add the CGI and have great editing, it's amazing. So. Like most likely. If we're a simulation, it's really boring outside the simulation. Because why would you make simulation as boring? It makes simulation way more interesting, the base reality. That is if this right now is a simulation. Yes.

And ultimately, inevitably were if as long as we don't die or get hit by a meteor, we're going to create some sort of simulation if we continue on the same technological path where we're on right now.

Yes, but we might not be there yet. So it might not be a simulation here. But it most likely is you feel other places. This notion of place or where is is flawed, yes, flawed coercion like that. If you have that sort of. But Vive, which although that's made by valve and steam and it's really valve that made it HTC that the hardware, but it's really a valve thing.

The makers of HALFLIFE.

Yes. Well, great company. Great company. When you're in that and that's in that virtual reality, which is only going to get better. Where are you? Where are you really right? You aren't anywhere. Well, whereas in the computer. What? Well, you know what defines where you are exactly right. It's your perception. Is it your perceptions or is it, you know, a scale that we have on your butt? Right here, I've measured you.

You're the same weight as you were when you left. Meanwhile, your experience. I don't think they are where you are right now. You might not be a up a joint if I keep talking. Your manager is going to come in here and we have to lock the door right now.

You think you're in a studio in L.A.?

That's what I heard. You might be in a computer, Milson man. I think about this all the time. Yeah. I mean, it's unquestionable that one day that be the case. As long as we keep going, as long as nothing interrupts us.

And if we start from scratch. And you know, we're single celled organisms all over again. And then millions and millions of years later, we become the next thing that is us with creativity and the ability to change its environment.

It's going to keep monkeying with things until it figures out a way to change reality, to change. I mean, you almost like punch a hole through what is this thing into what? What it wants it to be and create new things. And then those new things will intersect with other people's new things and then will be this ultimate pathway of infinite ideas and expression all through technology. Yeah. And then we're wonder we're gonna wonder like. Why are we here?

We're doing. Let's find out. Well, I mean, I think we should take the actions, the set of actions that are most likely to make the future better. Yes. Right. Yeah. Right. Right. And then re-evaluate those actions to make sure they're there that it's true.

Well, I think there's a movement to that. I mean, in terms of like a social movement, I think some of it's misguided and some of it's exaggerated. And there's a lot of a lot of people that are fighting for their side out there. But it seems like the general trend of like social awareness seems to be much more heightened now than it's ever been at any other time in history because of our ability to express ourselves instantaneously to each other through Facebook or Twitter or what have you.

And that the trend is to abandon preconceived notions, abandon prejudice, abandon discrimination, and promote kindness and happiness as much as possible. Look at this knife. Somebody gave it to me. Sorry. You know what it isn't. The fuck did you do?

My friend Donnie brought this with him and it just stayed here. I have a real samurai sword. Fun to play with that. I know you're into weapons.

That's from the 15 hundreds samurai sword at the end of the table. Yeah. Let's go grab it.

Hold on. That's a legit samurai sword from an actual samurai from the 15 hundreds if you pull out that bleed.

That blade was made the old way where a master craftsman folded that metal and hammered it down over and over again over a long period of time and honed that blade into what it is now. What's crazy is that more than 500 years later, that thing is still pristine. I mean, whoever took care of that and pass it down to the next person who took care of it and, you know, till it got to the podcast room, it's pretty fucking crazy.

Yeah.

One day someone's gonna be looking at Tesla like that. Mm hmm. He's fuckin backdoors. They pop up sideways like a Lamborghini.

You should see what Tesla can do. You didn't. You should.

I'll show you after I've driven one. I love them.

Yeah, but most people don't know what it can do in terms like ludicrous mode, in terms like driving super fast and irresponsibly on public roads or worse or any car can do that.

Yeah. What can it do that? That I need to know about. Ivan the Malek's can do this like ballet thing to the Trans-Siberian Orchestra. It's pretty cool where it dances if legitimate moves around the desert. Yes. Tut, tut. Why would you program that into a car?

It seemed like fun.

That's what I get about you. That's what's weird. Like when you showed up here, you were all smiles and you pull out a fucking blowtorch and not a blow torch. But I'm like looking to a flame or not a flame thrower.

Mike, it's definitely not a flame. You're you're having fun.

Like this is like this thing where, you know, you program a car to do a ballet dance. Great fun.

How do you have the time to do that and understand why you're digging holes under the earth and center of rockets into space and power in people in Australia?

Like how the fuck do you have time to make the car dance? Ballet. Well, I mean, in that case. There were some engineers at Tesla that said, you know what, if we make this car dance and play music like that sounds great, let's do it.

Let's try to get it done in time for Christmas.

We did do this there, concerned about someone just losing their mind and making do that in the highway. No, I won't do that. What if it's in bumper to bumper traffic? No, no. Won't do it. No, it's actually you have to. It's an Easter egg. It's an Easter egg. Yeah.

That's why people don't know about it, including who will have the car. Well, it's like you could do lots of things.

Lots of things once Reddit gets a hold of it. Everyone's.

Oh, you're just happy. It's everyone. If you search for it on the Internet, you will find out.

But people don't know that they should even search for it.

Oh, well, they do now. Yes. Yes. There's so many things about the metal X in the Model S and the Model 3 that. People don't know about probably a video or something. Explain it. Because I have close friends of mine and I say, do you know the Kochan do this? And they're like, no. Do you want to do a video there? Do you like the fact that some people don't know? No, I think it's probably not.

We should tell people. Yeah, probably. Yes. That would help your product. It's not like you don't sell enough of them. You sell almost too many of them.

Right. I mean, I think a Tesla. It's the most fun thing you could possibly buy ever. That's what it's meant to be. Well, our goal is to make it. It's not exactly a car. It's actually a thing to maximize enjoyment, make its maximum fun. OK. Electronic but big screen, laptop, ridiculous speed handling all that stuff. Yeah. Do you have and we're gonna put video games in it. You are. Yeah.

Is that's wise. Well, what can you do?

You won't be able to drive while you're playing the video game. But we'd like, for example, you just the part we're just putting the Atari emulator ROM emulator in it. So we'll play missile command and lunar lander and a bunch of other things.

Yeah, that sounds cool. It's pretty fun. I like that. Yeah. And we improved the interface in missile command because it's too hard with the old trackball. So this is does a touchscreen version of missile command.

So you have a chance do you.

You have an old car don't you. Don't you have like an old Jaguar. Yeah. Yeah that's that's w what about that sixty one series. One E-type Jaguar. I love cars. It's great. Yeah. I love old cars. You aren't the only yeah, the only to get only to garcin, cause I have a bat and. An old like a Ford Model T that a friend of mine gave us mainly to gasoline cars is a formality.

All stock well. Oh, there's your car.

You have the convertible that is close ups are. Car, that's a good looking car. Yes. Is that yours? That is. It's not mine. It's extremely close to mine that I don't have a front license plate or mine. Oh, it's a beautiful car.

They need that. And I will tell you about God. They nailed that. This woman looks like. Good as mine. There's certain iconic shapes. And there's there's something about those cars, too, they're not as capable, not nearly as capable as like a Tesla. But there's something really satisfying about the mechanical aspect of like feeling the steering and grinding the gears and the shifting.

Something about those that's extremely satisfying, even though they're not that competent. Like I have a 1993 Porsche 9 6 4. It's like a lightweight. It's not as an R S. America is not very fast. It's not like in comparison to a Tesla or Internet. But the thing about it is like it's mechanical feeler.

Everything's like it.

So it gives you this weird thrill, like you're on this clunky ride. And there's all this feedback. There's something to that.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean. Yeah. You type is like basically no electronics. Yeah.

So you like that. But you also like electronics. Yeah. Like you Tesla's soup.

It's like the far end of electronics. Yes. Drives itself striving itself better every day. Yeah. It's like we're about to release the software that will enable you to just turn it on and it'll drive from highway on ramp to highway exit through lane changes to overtake other cars. Jesus go from one interchange the next. If you get on, say, the four or five, get out, get off three hundred miles later and go through several highway interchanges and just to overtake other cars and hook into the nav system.

And then you just meditating home. Yeah, was just. Very kind of eerie. It's kind of airy. What did you think when you saw that video, that dude falling asleep behind the wheel? I'm sure you've seen it. The one in San Francisco is like right outside of San Jose. Dudes out cold like this. And the cars in bumper to bumper traffic moving along.

Yeah. Have you seen it right? Yeah. Yeah.

We changed the side or changed the software. That's how think get all video which has software where if you don't touch the wheel, it will gradually slow down and put the emergency lights on and wake you up.

Oh, that's hilarious. Yeah, that's hilarious. Yeah.

Keechie is what voice wakes you up?

Well it's sort of more of a it's sort of honks. Honks. Yeah. It should be like wake up fuckface.

Well you're wearing your fellow humans.

We could we could gently wake you up with a sultry voice that would be good. Like something with a southern accent. Hey, wake up. Wake up, sunshine. Hey, sweet. Thank exactly what you like.

You pick could pick your right. Like, what do you want? Yeah. Yeah. The Australian girl for Siri. Yeah, I like her voice. You wanted seductive favorite.

What I like what alien. What flavor of do what you want to be angry. Could be anything you want.

Those Australian prison lady jeans. Now when you were when you program something like that in. Is this in response to a concern or is it your own?

Yeah. If you look at it and go, hey, they shouldn't just be able to fall asleep. It's wake them up. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, you know, we're like, look, you know, people falling asleep, we we're about to do something about that.

Right. But when you first released it, you didn't consider it. Right. You're just like, well, no one's going to just sleep.

People fall asleep in the cars all the time. The time. Crash. Yeah. At least I saw it doesn't crash. That's better. It's better not to crash. And it's like I'd fallen asleep and in a gasoline car all the time for sure. Yeah. And it crashes somebody. Yeah.

And in fact the thing that really got me to like, man, we better get autopilot going.

Get it out. There was a guy was in an early Tesla driving down the highway and he fell asleep and he ran over a cyclist and killed him.

And secondly, man, if we had autopilot when it ran out, we might've fallen asleep, but at least he wouldn't run over that cyclist. So how did you implement it? Like, did you just use cameras? Yeah. Programmed with the system so that if it sees images, it slows down. And how much time do you give?

Yeah.

Is the person who's in control of it allowed the program how fast it goes? Yes. Yeah. You can program it to be more or less like more conservative, like more aggressive driver.

And you can say what speed you want it to. What speed is OK.

I know you have ludicrous, but you have douchebag mode, huh?

Well, it just cuts people off.

Well, for four lane changes, it's tricky because if you're in like L.A., like unless you're pretty aggressive.

Right. Pretty. It's hard to change lanes. So it's hard to be Satnam. It's hard to be. No.

Stay here in L.A.. Yeah.

You get if you want to hit that Santa Monica Boulevard. Offramp. I mean, you got to be a little pushy. Pushy. Yeah. Especially freeway angry. Yeah. Little angry. They don't want you in this beat up sometimes.

You know, I think people like overall a pretty nice on the highway even in L.A., but sometimes they're not.

Do you think the neural link will help that? Probably everybody be locked in together.

Hive mind tunnels to help. It would have traffic. That'll help a lot. Yeah. How many of those can you put in there? Can I just think about Brownhill? Funny thing about tunnels is you can go 3-D, so go up to any levels. Right. So until you hit hell, here you go. You can have 100 levels of tunnel bombs.

Jesus Christ. I won't be on ninety nine. I'll be the ninety ninth negative ninety nine floors.

Cool.

This is one of the fundamental things people don't appreciate about tunnels is that it's not like roads. The fundamental issue with roads is that you have a two transport system and a 3-D living and workspace environment. So you got all these tall buildings or concentrated work environments and and then then you want to go into this like 2T transport system, which usually in very low density because cars as per spaced out pretty far end. And so that obviously is not going to work.

You're going to have traffic guaranteed. But if you can go 3-D on your transport system, then you can solve all traffic. You can either go 3-D up with a flying car or go through it down with tunnels.

You can have as many tunnel levels as you want and you can arbitrarily relieve any amount of traffic. You can go further down with tunnels than you can go up with buildings. You're 10000 feet down if you want.

I wouldn't recommend it, but what was that movie with? What's his face? Bradley Cooper. Not Bradley Cooper. Christian? No. What the fuck's his name? Batman. Like, who is Batman? Christian Bale. Where? They fought dragons.

Him and Matthew McConaughey dug deep into the earth. How hot? How deep in the girl tummy?

Yeah. Was it? Well, that man fought dragons.

I know that. Members of Christian Bale. Urana. Fire, rain, fire. Oh, I saw that.

No. Terra Tech. But good. I wouldn't recommend saying drilling super far down. Yeah. Yeah, he gets it right. Maltin we're. Yeah. Earth is a giant ball of lava. Mm hmm.

With a thin crust on the top, which we think of us like the surface, this thin crust. And it's mostly just a big baller lava. That's worth. But 10000 feet. Not a big deal. Have you given any consideration whatsoever to the flat earth movement top?

That's a troll situation. Oh, it's not. No, it's not. You would like to think. Because you're a super genius, huh?

But I as a normal, normal person, I know these people way dumber than me.

And they really, really believe they watch YouTube videos which go on uninterrupted and spew out a bunch of fuckin fake facts very eloquently and articulately. And they really believe these people really believe. I mean, if it works well, I'm sure. Fine, fine. Weird that right at this age where, you know, it's ludicrous mode, your car goes 1.9 seconds zero to sixty two point to two point two. Which one's one point nine?

The rotor. The next generation roadster. OK. Standard edition. Yeah, I'm on top of this shit.

That's just it. That's just what the standard edition. So it's all throughout the forward package. What? What performance package.

Yeah. What the fuck do you need. A rocket thrusters on it. For real. Yes. What are they gonna burn? I think hot ultra high pressure, compressed air. Wow. Just a couple gas thrusters. Linda, you have to have air tanks or the air suck in the area. Okay. An electric pump. Well, pump it up like 10000 BSI. And how fast we're talking to 60, how fast you want to go.

I'm gonna go make it just plain lie. I want to go back in time. Make it fly. You make it fly. Sure.

Do you anticipate that as being mean? You're talking about the tunnels and then flying cars.

Do you really think that's gonna be real, too noisy and there's too much airflow so that the final issue with my car's right, if you get like one of those like toy drones. Think of how much how loud those are and how much air that they how much air they blow. Now, imagine if that's like a thousand times heavier. Mm hmm. There's not gonna be. Make your neighbors happy. Your neighbors are not gonna be happy if you land a flying car in your backyard.

It'll be very helicopter like that or on your roof.

They're just really gonna be like, what? That it was annoying.

You know, you can't even look, if you want a flying car, just put some wheels on a helicopter.

Is there a way around that? Like, what if they figure out some sort of magnetic technology, like all those Bob Lázar type characters were thinking that was a part of the UFO technology they were doing at Area 51 member?

Didn't they have some some thoughts about magnetics?

Nope. No bullshit? Yes. Really? Yeah. There's a fundamental momentum exchange with the air. So you must you must accelerate. There's there's like this. There's a certain you have a mass and have gravity gravitational acceleration. And mass mass times, your mass times, gravity must equal the mass of airflow times, acceleration of that airflow to heaven. A neutral force.

So it's a dream equals a mound. And then you won't move. But if if MGE is greater than m.a, you will go down. And if m.i.a.'s greater than MGE, you will go up. That's how it works. There's just no way around that. There is definitely no way around it. There's no way to create some sort of a magnetic something or another that allows you to.

Technically, yes, you could have a strong enough. Magnet. But that magnet would be so strong that you would create a lot of trouble.

You just suck cars up in your car. His pick up, I mean, axels, and you'd have to repel off of either material on the ground. Or. In a really nutty situation off of Earth's gravitational field and somehow make that incredibly light, but that magnet would cause so much destruction, you'd be better off with a helicopter.

So if there was some sort of magnet road like you have two magnets and they repel each other, if you had some sort of a magnet road that was below you and you could travel on that magnet road, that would work.

Ha ha ha. Oh, yes. Yes, you can have a magnet road, a magnet road. Is that too ridiculous? No, it's with work. So you can do that. Nicholas, too, right? I would not recommend it.

There's a lot of things I don't recommend or not recommend that good.

Not wise, I think. No roads? No. No. No. Definitely not. I mean, I was good. I would cause a lot of trouble.

So you put some time consideration into this other than, you know, instead of like my foolishly rendered thoughts. So you think the tunnels are the way to do it?

Oh, it'll work for sure. That'll work. Yes. And your these these tunnels that you're building right now, these are basically just like test versions of this ultimate idea that you have. You know, it's just a hole in the ground. Right. We played videos of it where you just guys that, you know, drop that hole in the ground. There's a sled on it and the sled goes very fast, like 100 miles an hour plus.

Yeah. Can go real fast. You know, fesses you want. And then if you wanna go long distances, you can just draw the era of the tunnel. Make sure it's real straight. Try the area of the tunnel, Yeah, it's her vaccum tunnel. Because the then and then, depending how fast when exactly these wheels or you could use our bearings, depending upon the ambient pressure in the tunnel. Or you could maglev it if you want to go super fast.

So magnet road, yes, but underground magnet roads, underground magnet, otherwise you're going to really create a lot of trouble with because those metal things so magnet rose the way to go just underground.

One of the really fast underground. You would be and you would be maglev in a vacuum tunnel mag in a vacuum tunnel. Magnetic levitation in a vacuum cultures. One with rocket launchers. Now, I would not recommend putting any exhaust gas in the tunnel. Oh, OK. See, we say because you got your eye on. Right. You have to pump it out and you probably have limited amount of air in the first place. Like how much can you breathe?

You have to pump oxygen into these cubicles.

Now you have a little pressurized pod to be like a like a little tiny underground spaceship, basically like an airplane, because you have air and airplanes not get new, Aaron.

It is. It is. Yes. You have a glow. Yeah, I have a pump. Really? Yeah.

Gets off on the outside. Yes. Wow. I know. And it's like it's at the arris. Our airplanes have it have it easy because essentially you can they're pretty leaky.

But Jesus the abati so long as the sun is the air pump is working at a decent speed that backup pumps have like you know, three pumps or four pumps or something and then that then there's like Besant.

It exhausts through the outflow valve and and through whatever.

SEALs are not sealing quite right. Usually the door doesn't seal quite right on a plane. This is a bit of leakage around the door. And the pumps exceed the outflow rate. And then that sets the pressure in in the cabin.

Now, have you ever looked at plug-ins and gone? I could fix this as soon as you make a a design for a plane. You do a better design. I mean, probably I think it is you who we talked to about this.

And I've talked to friends, friends, friends and I friend girlfriends.

And you can tell me what he got. What's going on?

Well, I mean, the exciting thing to do would be some sort of electric vertical takeoff and landing supersonic jet or some vertical takeoff and landing me.

No need for runway. Just shoot up straight in the air and talk to. How do you do that? When they do that and some military aircraft, correct? Yes. The trick is that you have it. You have to transition to level flight. And then you the the thing that you'd use for vertical tail for takeoff and landing is not suitable for high speed flight. So you've two different systems. Thought about this one minus a lot of thought about quite a lot.

You're thinking about an electric plane is that you want to go as high as possible, but you need a certain energy density in the battery pack because you have to overcome gravitational potential energy once you've overcome grabs his potential energy and you're out at at a high altitude. The energy use in crews is very low. And then you can recapture a large part of your gravitational potential energy on the way down. So you really don't need any kind of reserve fuel, if you will, because you have the the energy of height, gravitational potential energy.

This is a lot of energy. So so once you can get at the high you like, the way you think about a plane is it's a force balance. So the force balance. So a plane that is not accelerating, it is a neutral force balance. The force of gravity, if the lift force of the wings, then you've got the force of the one of a thrusting device. The propeller or turbine or whatever it is. And you've got the resistance force of the air.

Now, the higher you go, the lower the air assistance is. Air density drops exponentially, but drag increases with the square and exponential beats a square. The higher you go, the faster you will go for the same amount of energy. And at a certain altitude, you you can go supersonic. With less energy per mile. Quite a lot less energy per mile than an aircraft at 35000 feet because it's just a forced balance. I'm too stupid for this conversation.

It makes sense, though. No, I'm sure it does. Now, when you think about this. New idea of of of design, a win win when you have this idea about improving planes. Mm hmm. You got to bring this somebody ages. Chuck Well, I have a lot on my plate, right? That's why I'm saying I don't know. I don't know how you do what you do now, but if you keep coming up with these but it's got to be hard to pawn these off on someone else either.

And cake. Go do a job. Good job with this vertical take off and landing system that I want to implement to regular planes.

They're plane. Electric airplane isn't necessary right now. Electric cars are important.

Solar energy is important. Stationary storage of energy is important. These things are much more important than creating electric supersonic tall. Also the planes. Naturally, you really want that gravitational energy density for an aircraft. And this is improving over time. So, you know, it's important that we accelerate the transition to sustainable energy. That's why electric cars. It matters whether electric cars happen sooner or later.

You know, we're really playing a crazy game here with the atmosphere and the oceans. We're taking vast amounts of carbon from deep underground and putting this. Putting this knee in the atmosphere is crazy. We should not do this. It's very dangerous. So should we should we should accelerate the transition to sustainable energy. I mean, this bizarre thing is that obviously we're going to run out of oil in long term. You know, there's only so much oil we can we can mine and burn.

That's tautological, we must have sister a sustainable energy, transport and energy infrastructure in the long term. So we know that's the end point. We know that. So why run this crazy experiment where we take trillions of tons of carbon from underground and put it in the atmosphere and oceans? This is an insane experiment. It's the dumbest experiment in human history. Why are we doing this? It's crazy. Do you think this is a product of momentum that we started off doing this when it was just a few engines, a few hundred million gallons of fuel over the whole world?

Not that big of a deal. And then slowly but surely over a century, it got out of control.

And now it it it's not just our fuel, but it's also. Does it mean that fossil fuels are involved in so many different electronics, so many different items that people buy? It's just this constant desire for fossil fuels, constant need for oil without the acceleration of the sustainability of things like oil, oil, coal, gas.

It's the easy money. It's the easy money.

So have you heard about clean coal car? The person has been tweeting about it's got to be real clean coal.

All caps. Do you say he used all caps? Clean coal. Well, you know, it's very difficult to put that CO2 back in the ground.

It doesn't like being in solid form.

How do you do energy like that? Like some sort of a filter? Giant building sized filter sucks carbon in the atmosphere.

No, no. No, it's not possible. No, no, no, no, no, definitely my. No, we're not fucked.

I mean, this is a quite a complex question. Right.

You know, we're really just we're all the more carbon we take out of the ground and add to the atmosphere. And a lot of it gets permeated into the oceans. The more dangerous it is like. I don't think right now I think we're okay right now. We can probably even add some more. But the momentum towards sustainable energy is too slow like that. There's a vast base of industry, vast transportation system like this. There's two and a half billion cars and trucks in the world.

So and that the new car and truck production, if it was 100 percent electric, that's only about 100 million per year. So it would take if you could snap your fingers and it's instantly turn all. All cars and trucks electric, it would still take 25 years to change the transport base to electric. Makes sense because how long does a truck a car truck lasts before it goes into the junkyard and gets crushed about 20 to 25 years?

Is there a way to accelerate that process, like some sort of subsidies or some encouragement from the government financially?

Well, the thing that is going on right now is that there is an inherent subsidy in any oil burning device, any any power plant or car is fundamentally consuming the carbon capacity of the oceans and atmosphere or just that atmosphere for short.

So like you can say, OK, there's a certain probability of something. Bad happening. Past a certain carbon concentration in the atmosphere. And so there's some uncertain number where if we put too much carbon in the atmosphere, things over heat. Oceans warm up. Ice caps melt. Ocean real estate becomes a lot less valuable underwater. And. But it's not clear what that number is, but it's definitely our scientists all. It's really quite the scientists. The scientific consensus is overwhelming.

Overwhelming. I mean, I don't know any serious scientists, actually zero, literally zero, who don't think that you know that.

But we have quite a serious climate risk that we're facing. And so.

That's fundamentally a subsidy occurring with every. Fossil fuel burning thing. Power plants, aircraft. Car, frankly, even rockets. I mean, rockets use. You know, they burn, they weren't fuel, but there's just, you know, with rockets, there's just no other way to get to orbit, unfortunately.

So it's the only way. But with cars, there's definitely a better way. With electric cars. And to generate the energy do so with photovoltaics, because we've got a giant nuclear reactor in the sky called the sun. It's great sort of shows up everyday fare level. So if you can generate energy from solar panels stored with batteries, you can have energy 24 hours a day. And then you can. Consented to the polls. ORDINATE near to the north with a high voltage lines.

Also the north northern northern part. Parts of the world tend to have a lot of hydropower as well.

Anyway, all fossil fuel powered things have an inherited subsidy, which is their consumption of the carbon capacity of the atmosphere. And oceans. So people tend to think of like what why should electric vehicles have a subsidy, but they're not taking into account, that's all. Fossil fuel burning vehicles fundamentally are subsidized by the cost. The environmental cost to Earth. But nobody's paying for it. We are going to pay for it, obviously in the future, we'll pay for it.

It's just not paid for now. And what is the bottleneck in regards to electric cars and trucks and things like that? Is it battery capacity? Yeah. Quite a scale up production to make the car compelling. Make it better than gasoline or diesel cars, make it more efficient in terms of the distance it can travel. Yeah. Gonna be able to go far, far enough, recharge fast in your roadster.

You're anticipating 600 miles, is that correct?

Yeah. Yeah. What is it with that extra mile? Is that right now? Like if you driven 1 600 miles now? No, we totally make one right now. That would do six or a mile. But the thing is too expensive. So like the cars. But it's more so. Well, you know, it's Savatage, kilowatt hour pack, battery pack and you can go to six, eight miles an hour.

What do you have now? Three hundred and thirty mile range plus replanning 30 mile range. What is that? In terms of kilowatts? Well, that would be for Model S 100 kilowatt hour pack, we'll do about three or 30 miles, maybe 335. Some people have hypermiling to five hundred miles.

Hypermiling it well, yeah, I just like go on forty five miles an hour or something like 30 miles an hour.

So it's like an on level ground with a pump the tires up really well and go on a smooth surface. And you can go for a long time but like definitely comfortably do 300 miles easier. This is fine for most people. Usually 200 or 250 miles is fine. Three miles. You don't even think about it, really. Is there any possibility that you could use solar power?

That solar powered one day, especially in Los Angeles? I mean, as you said about that giant nuclear reactor, a million times bigger than Earth, just floating in the sky. Is it possible that one day you'll be able to just power all these cars just on solar power? I mean, we don't ever have cloudy days. If we do, there's three of them. Well, the surface area of a car is. Without making the car look really blocky or having something like a G wagon.

Yeah. And just like I looked a lot of surface area, we're like maybe it like solar panels fold out or something like your E-Class.

That's all we needed. The E-type Yeah. That the Jaguar E-type with a giant long hood that could be a giant solar panel was the beginning of Tesla.

I did want to have this like unfolding solar panel thing. They'd press a button and it would just like unfold these solar panels and like charge recharge your car in the parking lot.

Huh. Yeah, we could do that, but I think it's probably better to just put that on your roof, right? Yeah. And then it's going to be facing the sun all the time because like what car wise, your car could be in the shade, you know, giving the shade of commuter garage and that.

Didn't Fisker have that on the roof? The Fisker Karma new generation for I believe it was only for the the radio.

Is that correct? Yeah. I mean, I think it could like recharge like two miles a day or so.

Did you laugh when they started blowing up when they got hit with water? Remember what happened? They got. What? Yeah. The wind. They had a dealership. Oh, yeah. Fisker Karmas were parked like that with a flood in Jersey. Yes. When the hurricane came in, they got overwhelmed with water and they also had exploding this fucking great video of it. You watch the video and watch the video.

But I did see a picture of the Ashby naked lubed up.

Well, they have video, laughed my ass off. They all blow up. They got wet and they blew up. That's not good.

Yeah. We've made our battery waterproof, so that doesn't happen. Smart move. Yeah.

There's a guy in Kazakhstan that I think is Kazakhstan that he he just boded through a tunnel under an underwater tunnel that could flooded tunnel and just. Turn the wheels to stare and press the accelerator, and it just floated through the tunnel and a smile steered around the other cars.

You're like, that's me. It's on the Internet.

What happens if your car gets a little sideways, like if you're driving in snow? Like, what if you're driving? If your autopilot is on and you're in like Denver and it snows out and your car gets a little sideways, does it correct itself? Does. Oh, yeah.

It's got great tighter traction control, but doesn't know how to correct.

Do you know I like. Oh yeah. Ass and kick it out. You know how to counter steer. Oh yeah. No, it's really good. It knows how to do it. Yeah. Well it's pretty crazy. That's pretty crazy. Yeah. So like if you go in sideways he knows how to correct itself. It generally won't go sideways.

He won't. Now why not. It will correct itself before it goes sideways, even in black eyes. Yeah. This video's weak. See the car? Be alone. Traction control system is very good. It makes you feel like Superman. It's great. You like feel like you can like it. It will make you feel like this incredible driver. I believe it. Yeah.

Now, how do you program what we do our testing on like an ice lake in Sweden? Oh, really? Yeah. And like Norway and Canada and a few other places.

Porsche does a lot of that to the elite as well. They do a lot of there. They do some of their driver training school on these frozen surfaces.

So you're just you. The car's going sideways, whether you like it or not. And you have to learn how to slide into corners and how do it test?

But will electric cars have really great traction control because the reaction time is so fast? Right. So the well gassing car, you've got a lot of latency, takes a while for the engine to react and the. But for electric electric motors, incredibly precise. That's why I like your magic. If you like a printer or something, you would only you wouldn't have a gasoline engine printer. That be pretty weird or like a surgical device. It's going to be an electric motor on the surgical device, on the printer.

Gasoline engines going to be just chugging away. It's not going to have the reaction time, but to an electric motor, it's operating at the millisecond level so it can turn on track on and off traction within inches of getting on the honors like this. They drive a patch of ice. It'll turn traction off and then turn it on a couple inches right off the ice. Like if a little patch of ice. Because in the frame of the electric motor, you're moving incredibly slowly.

You're like a snake, it's your snail, you're just moving so slowly because it's like it can see at 1000 frames a second. And it's so exciting. Say one Mississippi, it it just. Thought about things a thousand times. So it's realized that your wheels are not getting traction. It understands there's some slippery surface that you're driving on. Yes. And it makes adjustments in real time. Yes. And milliseconds that was there'd be so much safer than a regular car.

Yes.

It is just that alone for loved ones. You'd want them to be driving your car? Yes.

They're onboard the Fok regular motors. But the S X and three are have the lowest probability of injury of any cars ever tested by the USgovernment.

Well. This was yeah, but it's pretty funny. It's pretty crazy, like we you know, people still sue us. Like they'll have like some accident at 60 miles an hour where they'd, like, twisted an ankle and they slipped. They sued like they'll be dead in another car. They still sue us. But that's to be expected. Is to be expected.

Do you take that in to account? What, like the same sort of fatalistic? You know, undertones just sort of just go. You gotta just let it go. This is what people do. Tell you I've got hours, but it is quite a lot of respect for the justice system. Judges are very smart and they see they as like I haven't so far.

I've found judges to be very good at justice because I like what they like. And juries are good, too. Like they're actually quite good. You know, people you know, you read about occasional errors in the justice system.

Let me tell you most the time. They're very good.

And like the other guy mentioned that who fell asleep in the car and he wrote over a cyclist and, you know, and and that was what encouraged me to get autopilot out as soon as possible.

That guy sued us. He sued you for falling asleep? Yes, he bleep. I'm not kidding. He blames it on the new car smell. What? Yes. He blamed him falling asleep on your new car smell.

There's someone is I'm not sure this is a real thing, that someone is a lawyer that thought that through in front of his laptop before he wrote that up.

Yes. He got a lawyer and he sued us. And the judge was like you. This is crazy stuff bothering me. No, thank God.

Yes. Thank God. Thank God. This judge out there with a brain tell you. Judges. Judges are very good. Some of them. What about that?

A lot of boys up up the river in Pennsylvania. Who's selling those kids out? No, but that story, no judge was selling young boys to prisons. He was like literally. Yeah, literally under bribes for. He was.

Was this an elected judge or he's like somebody had to have a judges, like actually a politician? No, he was elected judge.

This is a very famous story. Who? He's in jail right now, I think, for the rest of his life.

And he put away. He would take like a young boy would do something like steal something from a store. And he would put him in detention for, you know, five years, something ridiculously egregious. And they investigated this history and they found out that he was literally being paid off. Was it by private prisons? Is that what the deal was? There was some sort of. But anyway, this judges two judges who judges kids for cash scandal.

So it's called. Yeah. Common Pleas judges. So I think they are elected. And who is paying them? Oh. Someone it was proven to the point where they're in jail now that Saddam was paying them to put more asses in the seats in these private prisons.

A million dollar payment to put him in the youth builder. A million dollar payment.

I don't think it's the private prisons thing is creating a baton, said Mark. Right. Yes, but I mean that judges in prison. Thank God. Yes. But for people who think perhaps the justice system consists entirely of judges like that. I want to assure you this is not the case. The vast majority of judges are very good. I agree. And they care about justice. And they could have made a lot more money if they wanted to be a trial lawyer.

And instead, they care about justice. And they made less money because they care about justice. And that's why they're judges. I feel that same way about police officers, I guess. There's so many interactions with so many diverse people, with police officers that the very few that stand out that are horrific. We tend to look at that like this is evidence that police are all corrupt. And I think that's crazy. You know, most most police are very honest.

Yes.

And and like the military. Military personnel that I know, I've got a very honorable ethical people. Yes. And much more our broad ethical than the average person. That's my impression. That's my impression as well.

But and that's not to suggest that we would be complacent and assume everyone's honest and ethical. And obviously, if somebody is is given a a trusted place in society, such as being a police officer or a judge and they are corrupted, then we must be extra vigilant against such situations. Yes. And take action. But but we should not think that this is somehow broadly descriptive of people in that profession. I couldn't agree more.

I think there's also an issue with one of the things that happens with police officers, prosecutors and anyone that's trying to convict someone or arrest someone is that it becomes a game. And in games people want to win. And sometimes people cheat.

Yes. Yes. I mean, if, you know, if you're a prosecutor, shoot, you should not always want to win. There are times when you should like, okay, you should not want to win this case. And then you just pass on that case. Sometimes you want to win too much. That is true.

I think also the makeup becomes tough if you're if you're like a district attorney.

You know, you said tend to sort of see a lot of criminals and then your your view of the world can get negatively. Yes. You know, I have a negative. You know, you have a negative view of the world because you're just interacting with a lot of criminals. But actually most of society is not consist of criminals. Right. And I actually had this conversation at dinner several years ago with the district attorney. I was like, man, I must sometimes seem pretty, pretty dark because, you know, man, there's some some terrible human beings out there.

And he was like, yep. And he was like dealing with some case which consisted of a couple of old ladies that would.

Run people over somehow for insurance money. It was rough, like, wow, lots of stuff. Pretty rough. As like it's like hard to maintain faith in humanity if you're a district attorney. But but, you know, it's only a few percent of society that are actually bad.

And then if you go to the worst, say, 0.1 percent of society or the worst one in a thousand one in a million.

You know, like how bad is the millionth worst person in the United States? Pretty damn bad. Like damn evil like the the millionth, the like the millionth. Well, one in a million of evil is so evil, people cannot even conceive of it. But there's three hundred and thirty million people, the United States. So that's 330 people out there somewhere. But by the same token, there's also three or three people are incredible angels and unbelievably good human beings.

Yeah. On the other side.

But because of our fear of danger, we tend to our thoughts tend to gravitate towards the worst case scenario. Yes. And we want to frame that. And that's one of the real problems with prejudice that we want and whether it's prejudice towards different minorities or prejudice towards police officers or anything. So we want to look at the worst case scenario and say this is an example of what this is all about. And you see that even with people, how they frame genders, some some men frame women like that, they get ripped off by a few women and they saw all women are evil.

Some women get fucked over by a few men. All men are shit. And in this, this is very toxic. And it's also it's a very unbalanced way of viewing the world. And it's very emotionally based. And it's based on your own experience, your own anecdotal experience. And it can it can be very influential to the people around you. And it's just it's a dangerous way. It's a dangerous thought process and pattern to promote.

It is it is a very dangerous. But I really think, you know, people should give other people the benefit of the doubt and assume that they're good until proven otherwise. And I think really most people are actually pretty good people. Nobody's perfect. They have to be. If you think I was asked numbers of us, they're just interact. They just come with each other constantly.

Yeah, we have to be better than we think we are.

Yeah. No, we like there's no other way. I mean, here are these weapons. Like how many times like nobody's presumably tried to murder you and nobody yet. Yes. Nobody is like it's not right. What's right there? Fake flame throwers is not a flame thrower. Now we've got a real problem.

I'm gonna put it on that side to him and leave for the guests. Yeah. Look, man, if I say something that fucked up, it's right there to liven things up for sure.

That's guaranteed to make any party better. Yeah.

Well, that's I mean, that's the armed civilization theory, right? That an armed community is a safe and polite community. Yeah. Texas. It's kind of true. Yeah. I mean, people in Texas are super polite. Never.

Don't make somebody angry. I don't know what's gonna happen. Yeah, it's not a good move. Yeah. Piss people off and everybody can have a gun. Yeah. Just let that guy get in your lane.

Yeah. Yeah. Well you know we've got a big test site in central Texas near Waco. Beautiful. Yeah. Space-X in McGregor about fifteen minutes away from Waco.

That's close to where Ted Dugit lives and after Ted Dugit.

Okay. Oh, yeah. There, you know, we have like lots of fire and loud explosions and things and people get their go with it. They don't give a fuck out there.

They're very supportive. Yeah, you can buy fireworks where, you know, you kids go to school.

Yes. You know, it's dangerous. Yeah, but it's very scary. There's something about this that's very enticing because that it is dangerous, but it's also free. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I kind of like Texas.

Well, I prefer it over places that are more restrictive, but more liberal because you could always be liberal. Like just because things are free and just because you have a certain amount of, you know, right wing type characters, it doesn't mean you have to be that way. No, no. And honestly, there's a lot of those people that are pretty fucking open minded and let you do whatever you want to do. Right. You don't bother them.

Yeah, exactly. That's my hope right now with the way we're able to communicate with each other today and how radically different it is than generations past is that we all just the dust settles and we all realize like like what you're saying that most people are good. Most people are good. The vast majority. Yes. I think you give people the benefit out for sure. I think you're right. Yeah. You know, it can help that. What mushrooms do you think?

They're delicious. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Good for you, too. Yeah. All of them.

All kinds of, um.

What do you see in terms of like when you think about the future of your companies? What do you see as like bottlenecks?

What's more? Sure. Thank you.

What you see in terms of like bottlenecks of things that are that are holding back innovation.

Is it regulatory commissions and people that don't understand the technology that are influencing policy? Like what what could potentially be holding you guys back right now?

Is there anything that you would change? Yeah, that's a good question. You know, I wish I wish politicians were better at science. That would help a lot. That's a problem. Yes. There's no incentive for them to be good at science.

There isn't. Actually, in others, they're pretty good at science in China. I have to say. Yeah.

The mayor of Beijing is, I believe, an environmental engineering degree and the deputy mayor is a physics degree. I met him and the mayor says Shanghai is really smart and you're up on technology.

What do you think about this government policy of stopping use of walkway phones? And there's there's something about that. The worry about spying is I mean, from one of understand from real tech people, they think it's horseshit. Oh, I like phone. I don't know. I don't know why the government say, don't you buy your way phones. Does that do you up on that at all? No. Should we just abandon this idea? Well, I mean, I think like I guess if you're if you're if you have, like, top secret stuff, then you want to be pretty careful about what hardware you use.

But, you know, like most people do not have top secret stuff. Right.

And like, nobody really cares what porn you watch, you know? Oh, yeah. It's like nobody actually cares, you know?

So if they do, that's kind of on them. It's just like, yeah.

Like national spy agencies do not trust do not give a rat's ass what porn you watch that they do not care.

So like what secrets does a national spy agency have to learn from the average citizen? Nothing.

Well, that's the argument against the the narrative and the argument by a lot of these tech people is that the real concern is that these companies like what way are innovating at a radical pace and they're trying to stop them from integrating into our culture and letting this. Right. Right now, they're the number two cell phone manufacturer in the world. OK. Samsung is number one. Norway is number two. Apple is now number three. They surpassed Apple as number two.

And the idea is that this is all taking place without them having any foothold whatsoever in America. There are no there's no carriers that have their phones. You have to buy their phones unlocked through some sort of a third party and then put.

OK. So the worry is, you know, that these are somehow another controlled by the Chinese government. The communist Chinese government is going to distribute these phones. And I don't know if it's the worries, economic influence that they'll have too much power. I don't know what it is. Are you are you paying attention on any of this? Not really.

No, I don't think we should worry too much about highway funds. You know, maybe, you know, our National Security Agency shouldn't have how highway funds? Maybe that's a question mark.

But I think for the average citizen, this doesn't matter.

Just like. No, they're not. I'm pretty sure the Chinese government does not care about the goings on of the average American citizen.

Is that. Is there. A time where you think that there will be no security will be impossible to hold back information that whatever bottleneck will will let go.

We're gonna we're gonna give in that whatever bottleneck between privacy and ultimate innovation will have to be bridged in order for us to achieve the next level of technological proficiency that we're just going to abandon it and there'll be no no security, no privacy.

Do people want privacy because they seem to put everything on the Internet?

Well, right now, you're confused. But when you're talking about your neuro link and this this idea that one day we are going to be able to share information, we're gonna be some sort of a thing that symbiotically create symbiotically and connect.

I think we're really into it. Worry about security in that situation. And we're sure that's like a security re paramount. Sure. Yeah.

But also what we will be is will be so much different. LARC our concerns about money, about status, about what all these things will seemingly go by the wayside. If we really become an mightnot if we really become artificially enlightened by some sort of an A.I. interface where we have this symbiotic relationship with some new internet type connection to information. But you know what happens then? What what is important, what is not important is privacy important when we're all God's.

I mean, I think the things that we think are important to keep private right now. Right. We probably will not think or shame.

Right. Information. Right. What do you what do you hide emotions when we hide. I mean, I think, like, I don't know, maybe it's embarrassing. All right. Embarrassing stuff.

But there's actually like I think people there's like not that much that's kept private that people that is actually relevant. Right. That's pure what other people actually care about. You think other people care about it, but they don't really care about us. And certainly governments don't.

Well, some people care about it. But then it gets weird when you when it gets exposed, like Jennifer Lawrence, when those naked pictures of her got exposed, like I think in some ways people liked her more.

Did they react like she is a person that just a girl who likes sex and is just alive and has a boyfriend and sends a messages and now you get to look into it and you probably shouldn't of. But somebody let it go and they put it online and. All right. She seems to be doing OK. He's a person. She's just you and me and the same thing. She's just in some weird place where she's on a 35 foot tall screen with music playing every time she talks.

Yeah. I read. I'm sure she's just like, not not happy about it, but she is. But she's clearly doing fine.

But once this interface is fully realized where we really do become something far more powerful in terms of our cognitive ability or our ability to understand irrational thoughts and mitigate them, and then we're all connected in some sort of an insane way. What I mean, how what are our thoughts on wealth, our thoughts on social status like how many of those just evaporate and our need for privacy, maybe our need for privacy will be the ultimate bottleneck that will have to subside that we'll have to surpass.

I think. The things that we think are important now will probably not be importance in the future, but there will be things that are important. What we'll see more for things. They might be some war of ideas, potentially. I don't think Darwin's going away. Right. No one's gonna be there. And we'll be there forever, forever. Yeah. It would just be a difference in a different arena. The digital arena. Different arena dollars not going away.

What keeps you up at night? Was quite hard to run companies. Yeah. Especially car companies. How do they. It's quite challenging. The car business is the hardest one of all the things you do. Yes. Because it's consumer and business as opposed to like space X and. Not that space X or space X is no walk in the park, but but a car company is very difficult to keep a car company alive.

It's very difficult. You know, there's only two car companies in the history of American car companies that haven't gone bankrupt, and that's Ford and Tesla. That's it. Yeah. Ford rode out that crazy storm, huh? They're the only one getting their teeth shot out of the Mustang. Yeah. Yeah, about the skin of our teeth. That is interesting. Same with Tesla. We barely survived. How close you get to folding? Very close. We.

2008 is not a good time to be a car company, especially a startup car company and especially an electric car company. I was like, stupidity squared.

And this is when you had those cool roadsters with the T tire with a target top. Yeah, we had like you use a highly modified Elise chassis, the body was all completely different, but that was like was Superdome's strategy that we actually did was very dumb, was based on two false premises.

One false premise was that we'd be able to cheaply convert the Lotus Elise and use that as. Car platform and that we'll be able to use technology from this little company called AC Propulsion for the electric drive train.

The battery is AC propulsion technology did not work in production and we ended up using none of it. And long term. None of it. Where to reason? Everything. And then the. Once you add a battery pack an electric motor to a car, it got a heavier, 30 percent heavier, invalidated the entire structure. All the crash structure, everything had to be redone.

Nothing like that. I think it had less than seven percent of the parts were common with any other device, including cars or anything else.

7 percent. Yes. Everything, including tires and wheels, bolts. Breaks yeah, even if year and we'll see the steering wheel was I think the steering wheel was almost the same.

Yes, the windscreen went windscreen, right? No, I think the engineer is the same. Yes, I think I think we were able to keep the last 47 percent, so.

That's right. Basically, everybody panel was different.

The entire structure was different. The we couldn't use the H like the H back system.

The you know, the air conditioner was a belt driven air conditioner off of it.

So now we needed something that was electrically driven.

We'd need a new AC compressor and all that takes away from the battery life as well, right? Yeah. We need a small, highly efficient air conditioning system that fit in a tiny car and was electrically powered, not belt driven. It's very difficult.

How much of those were those cars? The roaster, I think it was about twenty seven hundred pounds is still very sound dependent bitch version twenty six fifty to twenty twenty seven, fifty pounds, something like that.

And what was the weight distribution. It was about. 50. Well, they were different versions of the car. So is about 55 in the rear. It was rear bias, right?

But not bad considering like a 911, which is like one of the most popular sports cars of all time. Heavy rear end bias.

Well, I mean, yeah, the 911 like the joke is like the. Despite Knewton not being on their side. Yeah. If you're fighting Newtown, it's very difficult. Well, it's like you've got this.

The moments of inertia on 9/11 don't make any sense.

They do once you understand them.

Once you and you see you don't want to hang the engine off, they asked. This is not a wise move.

You don't want to let up on the gas when you're in a corner.

You're the problem with it. With with with with something. That's where the engine is mounted over the rear axle or off the rear axle towards the rear. So you pull a moment of inertia is fundamentally screwed. You cannot solve this. It's unsolvable. You're screwed. Pull over. Inertia is you're screwed. Right. Like, essentially, if you spun the car like a top, that that's you pull a moment of inertia, you're just.

I promised I wouldn't swear this show about it. Really? So who is your friend? Tell that friend to go fuck himself. Who told you not to swear?

Fred I'm not a good friend.

Yes, I realize you're fucking Elon Musk. Do whatever you want, man. If you ever get confused, call me.

I'll swear in private. Swear up a storm to save frikkin. It's fun way.

There's like old house moms, wives and shit that have children. You just frickin thing. Yeah. Better way. Like like the Porsche. It's kind of incredible how well Porsche handles given. But it's the physics. Yes. The moments of inertia weren't so messed up to actually still make it work. Well is isn't credible.

Well you know how to turn into the corner once you get used to the feeling of it. There's actual benefits to it. You know, there are some online effects I enjoy.

I buy a car I had before. Tesla was a 911. Okay.

I was 9 9, 7 or 6. Yeah. 9 7. Yeah. Yeah. Great car, man. Yeah, I mean, particularly with the Porsche, however, when they had the variable vanes turbo and he didn't have the turbo lag.

That was great. Yeah, that was really great. Turbo lag was like, you know, if you floret like phone a home, call your mom the older one.

But an hour later, the car accelerates and super dangerous too, because in the real world start spinning. Yeah.

There's something fun about it, though, like feeling that rear weight kicking around, you know.

And again, it's quite efficient. I could feel to it. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. But that's that's what I was talking about earlier about that little car that I have. Ninety three. 911. It's just there's. It's not fast. It's not it's not the best handling car. But it's more satisfying than any other car I have because it's so mechanical. It's like everything about it, like crack holes and bumps. And he gives you all this feedback and I take it to the Comedy Store because when I get there, I feel like my brain is just popping and it's on fire.

It's like a strategy for me now that I really stopped driving other cars there. I drive that car there just for the brain juice, just for the the inner the interaction.

I mean, you should try model s p100 D how I'll blow your mind off their skull.

Okay. Yeah. Tell me what to order. I'll order model s p100 d. Okay. Jamie, that's the car that I drive. Okay. Okay. I'll get with the car you drive. Okay. It will blow your mind how to ask.

I believe you. How can I drive?

How far greater miles. That's good for L.A.. Regular days.

You will never notice the battery. Never. Never. How hard is it to get? Like one of them crazy plugs installed in your house that difficult?

Now it's super easy. It's like it's like a dryer plug. It's like a dryer outlet.

Didn't you come up with some crazy tiles for your roof that are solar panels? Yeah. Yeah. I have it on my roof right now. Actually, I'm just trying it out.

It's like it. The thing is, it takes a while to test roof stuff because roofs have to last a long time.

So like you want your roof to last like 30 years over a regular roof now.

So there's two versions. There's like the solar panels you put on a roof. So like depends on whether you roofs new or old. So if your roof roofs new, you don't want replace the roof. You won't put like solar panels on the roof. Right. So that's like retrofit, you know, and then try to make the retrofit panels a grill. Nice. And then. But then the new product we're coming out with is if you if you have a roof that's either you're building a house or you're gonna replace your roof anyway, then you make the site the tiles.

So have solar solar cells embedded in the tiles. And then it's quite a tricky thing because you want to not see the solar cell behind the glass tile. So you have to really work with the glass and the and the various coatings and layers so that you don't see the solar cell behind the glass. Otherwise, it doesn't look right. Right.

So it's really tricky there just to put it up there. Yeah. And it looks good.

See, I see like if you look closely, you can see if you zoom in. Right. You can see the skin. See the cell.

Mm hmm. But if you zoom out, you don't see the cell. Right. Well looks kingo like that. That's Pozible. So it's really hard because you have to have sunlight go through.

Right. But where to when. That's when it gets reflected back out. It doesn't it. It hides the fact that there's a cell there.

Now are those available to the consumer right now?

Well, we have. I think those on that roof right there. Yes. That's amazing.

Oh, that looks good. Yeah. Whoo! I like that one.

Suad Oh, so you get that kind of fake Spanish looking thing. I like that's French light. That's why people in Connecticut smoke in pipes. Do that one. Yeah, that's bad ass, dude.

So this will actually work.

I believe you know, this the solar panels that are on that house that we just looked at. Is that sufficient to power the entire home? It depends on your energy on how to measure. Yeah, yeah. So generally, yes, I would say is probably for most.

It's going to vary, but anywhere from more than you need to maybe half like call it a half to 1.5. Of the energy that you need, depending on how much roof you have relative to living space and how ridiculous you are with TV.

TV is no problem. Air conditioning, air conditioning units and air conditioning is is the problem. If you have an efficient air conditioner and you don't.

And depending on how like are you at conditioning rooms when they don't need to be at condition, which is very common because it's a pain in the neck, you know, it's like programming a VCR.

It's like right now it's just like blinking 12:00.

Also, people just like I thought I was going to make it this temperature all day long.

Right. I don't have a smart home where if you're in the room, then it stays cool, right? Yeah.

It should predict when you're gonna be home and then cool the room.

The rooms that you're likely to use with a little bit of intelligence. We're not talking about like genius home here was talking like elementary basic stuff.

You know, like if you could hook that into the car, like, knows you're coming home, like there's no point calling the home run up in a comb, keeping the whole home really cool when you're not there. Right. I can tell it. You're coming home. It's going to cool it. It's the right temperature, right?

You have an actor that works with your solar panels or anything like that. Yeah, yeah, we do, and we need to get into the air conditioning to really make the air conditioning work. Have you thought about creating an air conditioning system? I know you have. Trick question, I cannot answer questions about future potential. OK. Let's just let it go. We'll move on to the next thing.

That would be an interesting idea. Yeah, I would say radiant heating. All that good ideas.

Now, when you when you think about the efficiency of these homes and you think about implementing solar power and battery power, and is there anything else that people are missing? Is there any other like I just saw a smartwatch that is powered by the heat of the human body.

It's some new technology. It's able to fully power that way. I don't know if it's actually or if it's like this.

Watch right here. This is a Casio, OK? It's called a protec and it's in like an outdoors watch and solar powered. OK. And so it has the ability to operate for a certain amount of time on solar.

Yeah. So if you have it exposed. It could function for a certain amount of time on solar.

Yeah. Well you know, like there's the self waiting watches where you know, it's just got to wait in the watch and as you move your wrist the weight moves from one side to the other. And at what point wins the watch up.

That's a pretty cool thing. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's amazing that Rolexes that it's all done mechanically. There's no batteries in there and it's no nothing.

Yeah, you could do the same thing. Create a little charger that's based on wrist movement. It really depends on how much energy or what she uses.

You know, it's fucked up about that though. We accept a certain amount of like fuckery with those watches. Like I brought my watch. I have a Rolex that my friend Lorenzo gave me and I brought it to the watch store and I said this things always fast. I said, it's always like after a couple of months, it's like five minutes fast.

And they go, Yep. Figley. Really, it's just what it does. Hold on. I go see you telling me that it just is always going to be fast. There's a gap. It's just like every few months you get a like reset.

It seems like they should recalibrate that thing. They can't.

They tried, they say, every few months, whether it's four months or five months or six months, it's gonna be a couple of months fast.

Okay. It seems like they should really recalibrate that, because if it's always just to, you know, delete those minutes, you need to fucking kick down the door Rolex and call you bitches are lazy.

It's kind of amazing that you can keep time mechanically onerous watch with these tiny little gears.

It's amazing. I mean, the whole luxury watch market is fascinating. I feel I'm not that involved in terms like I don't buy them. I bought them as gifts. I don't buy them for myself. But when I look at them online with his million dollar watches out there now that are like they have like little rotating moons and stars and they they live. They look at this thing.

How much is that when J. These are fucking preposterous.

I like gears. I just love them. Yeah, I think there's beautiful.

But there's some of these people that has taken it right in the ass. They're buying these watches for like $750000. Mike. Yeah, that's a Timex sun. Nobody knows. It's not any better than some Casio that you could just buy online.

Look. Look at that, though.

Well, here's the thing. If you're a person that doesn't just want to know the time, you want craftsmanship, you want some artisans touch.

You want innovation in terms of like a person figuring out how gears and cogs all line up perfectly to every time it turns over.

It's basically a second. I mean, that's just there's this art to that. That's. Yeah, I agree. It's not just telling time. Hey, I like this watch a lot. But if it got hit by a rock, I wouldn't be sad. Yeah, it's just to watch. It's a mass produce thing that runs on some courts' battery. But those things that's.

There's aren't. Yeah. No, I agree. It's beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. Love it. Yeah.

There's something there's something amazing about it. It's because it represents the human creativity. It's not just. It's not just electronic innovation. There's something.

This is a person's work in that. Yes. You don't have a watch on now, ever. I used to have a watch. What happened? My boyfriend tells the time point.

What if you lose your phone? Do you wait? Hold on. Sure. Let me guess. You are a no case guy.

That's correct. Living on the edge and on the edge without a cross, Tyson. Neil deGrasse Tyson was in here last week. I marveled at his ability to get through life without a case.

Right.

You know, he takes his phone and he flips it in between his fingers like like a like a soldier would do it. His rifle, his rolls that shed in between his fingers.

Okay. Marvelous. Wow.

He says that's the reason why they do it. He said, would you look? At someone who has a rifle, why would they do that? Why would they flip it around like that? Right. So that when. It goes to drop, they have it in their hand. They catch it quickly. Yeah, it does. His phone, he's just flipped his phone around all the time. I got that in Mexico. I was hoping it holds joint.

Does it do anything it takes to open? It just as a horse to haul its storage storehouse in there.

But like try to put a joint in there. Close it. You put like one one blunt. One bit seems pretentious, you know, that's the idea behind it. I bought it when I was in Mexico because I figured it'd be a good size to hold joint.

Or flat. Says that a joint. Hoisted a cigar? Yes. No. Hey, it's marijuana instead of tobacco. OK.

So it's like posh pot tobacco. I never had that. Yeah, I think I tried one once. Come on, man. You probably can't because stockholder's.

Right? I mean, it's legal, right? Totally legal. OK. How does it work? Do people get upset at you if you do certain things? Tobacco and marijuana in there. It's all it is. Did the combination of tobacco marijuana as wonderful first turned on do it by Charlie Murphy and then reignited by Dave Chappelle A?

Plus, whiskey, huh? Exactly. Herbeck balances it out. Alcohol, alcohol, a drug has been grandfathered in. Well, it's not just a drug.

It's a drug that gets a bad rap because you just have a little crate. Fine. Yeah, a little sip here and there and just see your inhibitions or relaxed. And it shows your true self and hopefully you're more joyous and friendly and happy and and everything's good.

The real worry is the people that can't handle it, like the real worry about people can't handle cars and go zero to sixty one point nine seconds or anything. Have you ever considered something that. Imagine if one day everyone has a car that's on the same at least technological standard as one of your cars.

And everyone agrees that the smart thing to do is not just to have bumpers, but to perhaps have some sort of a magnetic repellent device, something some electro magnetic field around the cars that as cars come close to each other, they automatically radically decelerate because of magnets or something. Well, I mean, our cars break automatically. Break? Yeah. Yeah. When they see things. Yes. But look, a physical barrier like. Well, the wheels work pretty well.

But wheels know pretty well decelerated at one point once.

1.4 GS, that kind of thing is your concern that one day all your cars would be on the road and then they'll still be. Regular people with regular cars 20, 30 years from now. Dettol. Get in the mix and be them. The main problem. Yeah, I think it'd be sort of like there was a time of transition where there were horses and gasoline cars in the road at the same time. It's been pretty weird. That would be the weirdest.

Yeah. Horses were tricky, you know, back in Manhattan had like three hundred thousand horses. You forget like floor horse lives for 15 years. Got twenty thousand horses. But dropping dead every day of every year, I should say every year, 20000 horses, if that's three thousand horses and a few year lifespan. Back in the gangs in New York days. That movie. Yeah. Yeah, it's a lot of dead horses and you need a horse to move the horse.

Well, I probably get pretty free, pretty freaked out if they have to move or a dead horse.

Do you think they know what's going on? Yeah. I mean it's like pretty weird now to my dragging this dead horse around and I'm a horse.

Do you ever get up and think about your role in civilization different stop and think about your role in the culture. Because me as a person never met you until today when I think of you.

You know, I've always thought of you as being this weirdo super inventor dude who just somehow or another keeps coming up with new shit. But there's not a lot of you out there like everybody else seems to be. I mean, obviously, you make a lot of money. There's a lot of people that make a lot of money. You like that clock?

Yeah. Paedos, right? It's a great clock. And I want one. I'll get you one. Sure. Okay. Done. I like weird things like this.

Oh, this is the coolest. Is TGT promotion. What is this, TGT studios. TGT studios. Yeah. Yeah. A gentleman who makes all this by hand.

Yeah, it's really cool. Let's study is filled with weird devices. Well, get ready for another one. All right. I'm sending it your way. Well, you want a werewolf to hook you up. All right, I'll take one. One a werewolf and one clock coming up. Do you think about your role in the culture? Because me as a person never met you until today. I've always liked to do and like Pollock houses, guys just keep inventing shit.

Like, how do you how do you keep coming up with all these new devices and what do you ever consider how unu?

Like, I had a dream once that there was a million Teslas instead of like one Tesla.

There was a million Tesla's not Chesley the car, but Niccola. Oh, yeah, sure.

And that in his day there was a million people like him who were radically abl..

It was a weird dream. Man was so strange, and I've had it more than once.

Results in very reppas technology innovation, that's for sure.

It's one of the only dreams in my life I've had more than one time. Okay. Like where I've woken up and it's in the same dream. I'm in the same dream. And in this dream, it's 1940s, 1950s. But everyone is severely advanced. There's flying blimps with like LCD screens on the side of them. And everything's bizarre and strange. And it stuck with me for whatever it obviously is just a stupid dream. But for whatever reason, all these years that stuck with being like it takes one man like Nikola Tesla to have more than a hundred inventions that were patents.

Right. I mean, he had some pretty great, pretty fucking amazing ideas.

Yes. But there was early in his day there was very few people like him.

That is true. What if there was a million? Like what?

And then the advance very quickly. Right. But there's not a million.

Elon Musk says one motherfucker. Do you think about that? He's try to not. I don't think I don't think kids necessarily want to be me. Well, what's the worst part about it? People would like it that much.

Well, most people wouldn't, but they can't be. So that's like. That's like some superhero type shit. You know, one want be Spider-Man otherwise. Sleep tight. And Gotham City. Hope he's out there doing his job. It's very hard to turn it off. Yeah. What's the hardest part? It might sound great if it means it on. But what if it doesn't turn off?

Now, I showed you the isolation tank and you've never experienced that before. I think that could help you turn it off a little bit just for the night. Yeah, just give you a little bit of sleep, a little bit of perspective.

It's magnesium that you get from the water as well that makes you makes you sleep easier because the water is Epsom salts in it.

But maybe some sort of strategy for sacrificing your biologic or not sacrificing but enhancing your biological recovery time by figuring out a way, whether it's through meditation or some other ways to shut off that that thing at night. Like, you must have like a constant. Stream of ideas, it's run through your head all the time. Getting text messages from checks. Now I'm getting text messages from foreign friends saying, what the hell are you doing?

Smoking weed is bad for you. It's legal, it's coming in.

Approved. It's not. You know, I'm not a regular smoker of weed. How often you smoke? Almost never. Mm hmm. I mean, it's it's I don't actually notice any effect. Well, there you go. There was a time where I think it was Rahm dollars or someone gave some Buddhist monk bunch. Acid, OK. Any aid and no effect on. I doubt that. I would say that, too. But I've never meditated to the level that some of these people have where they're constantly meditating all day.

They don't have any material possessions and all of their energy is spent trying to achieve a certain mindset. I would like to cynically deny that. I'd like to cynically say contagious fuck and think the same way I do.

They just hang out with flip flops on, make weird noises.

But maybe no you. I know a lot of people like Reid and that's fine, but I don't find that it is very good for productivity for you, not for me.

Yeah. I didn't mean. I would imagine that for someone like you it's not. Someone like you. It would be more like a cup coffee. Right. You want it? You're having tea? Yeah. I smell like the opposite of a cup of coffee. Would you like a cup of coffee in reverse?

Oh, weed is. Yeah. No, I'm saying you would like more. More like will be beneficial to you would be like coffee.

I like to get things done. I like to be useful. That is one of the hardest things to do.

They'll be useful when you say you like to get things done. Yes. In terms of like what? I get the value satisfaction. When you complete a project, when something something that you invent comes to fruition and you see people enjoying it. That feeling. Yes. Doing something useful for other people that I like doing. That's interesting for other people. Yes. So that do you think that that is maybe the way you recognize that you have this unusual position in the culture where you can uniquely influence certain things because of this?

I mean, you essentially have a gift. Right.

I mean, you would think it was a curse, but I'm sure it's been fueled by many, many years of discipline and learning. But you essentially have a gift and that you have this. Radical sort of creativity engine when it comes to innovation and technology. It's like you're just you're going at a very high hour p._m._s all the time.

What is that?

What is this stuff?

I don't know what would happen if I got into a sensory deprivation tank. I was trying sounds were concerning. It's like running the engine with no resistance.

That's what it is, though. Maybe it's not.

Maybe it's fine. I don't know. I'll try it. I'll try it.

Have you ever find it experimented with meditation or anything? Yes. What do you do? What have you done, rather? I mean, you just sort of sit there and be quiet and then repeat some mantra. Which acts as a focal point. It does still the mind, it just soul, the mind. But I don't find myself drawn to it frequently. Do you think that perhaps productivity is maybe more attractive to you than enlightenment or even the concept of whatever enlightenment means?

Like what do you try to achieve when you're meditating all the time? Would you it seems like almost like there's a frantic ness to your creativity that comes out of this burning furnace.

And in order for you to, like, calm that thing down, you might have to throw too much water on it. It's like a never ending explosion. What is it like? I try to explain it to a dumb person like me. What's going on? Never ending explosion. It's just constant ideas just bouncing around. Yes. Whoo! Damn. Yeah. So when everybody leaves, just Ilan sitting at home, brush his teeth. It's just bunch ideas bounce around your head.

Yeah. Whoo! Alltime. When did you realize that that's not the case with most people? I think when I was 5 or six or something. I thought I was insane. Why do you think you insane? Because it's clear that our people do not. Would their mind wasn't exploding with ideas all the time, they weren't expressing it. They weren't talking about it all. And you realize by the time we're five or six, like, oh, they're probably not even getting this thing that I'm getting.

No, it was just strange. It was like. Hmm hmm, strange. That was my conclusion. Strange.

But did you feel diminished by it in any way, like knowing that this is a weird thing that you really probably couldn't commiserate with with other people? They would they wouldn't stand.

You hope they wouldn't find out because they might like put me away or something.

You thought that for a second? Yes. When you were little, they put people away. What if they put me away? Like when you were little, you saw this? Yes.

Wow. You thought this is so radically different than the people that are around me. If they find out I got this stream coming in. Yeah. But, you know, I was only like five or six. Do you think this is like I mean, there's there's outliers biologically. You mean there's people that are 7 foot 9, there's people who have giant hands as people that have eyes that are 2015 vision. There's always outliers. Do you feel like you like caught this, like you have got some you on some weird.

Innovation, creativity, sort of wave, that's very unusual. Like you, you tapped into I mean, just think of the various things you've been able to accomplish in a very short amount of time and you're constantly doing this. That's a weird you're a weird person.

Right. I agree. Yeah. Like, what if there's a million Elon Musk's. Well, that would be very, very weird. Whew. Yeah, we're pretty weird. Like, real weird. Definitely. Yeah. What if there are millions your rockets probably has too many. I mean, I think that's the case with a lot of folks.

Yeah, I mean, but like, you know, my goal is like treader useful things. Try to maximize probably the future is good. Make the future exciting, something you look forward to. No. No. With. You know what, Tesla will try to make things that people love. You know, it's like not like a cat. How I think you buy that you really love that really give you joy.

So rare. So rare. I wish there were more things. That's all we're try to make things that somebody loves when that's when you think about me. You think that someone loves like do you specifically think about like what things would improve people's experience? Like what? What would change the way people interface with life? That would make them more relaxed or more happy. You really think? Like when you're thinking about things like that. Is that like one of your considerations?

Like what? What can I do that would help people? Yeah. They wouldn't be able to figure out. Yeah.

Like. Like, what are the set of things that can be done to make the future better? Like. You know, like so I think that a future where we are a faring civilization and out there among the stars. This is very exciting. This makes me look forward to a future. This makes me want that future. You know, the things that need to be things that make you look forward to waking up in the morning, you wake up in the morning, you look forward to the day, forward to the future.

A future where we are space faring civilization and out there among the stars. I think that's very exciting. That is a thing we want. Whereas if she knew we would not be a space faring civilization, but forever confined to Earth, this would not be a good future. That would be very sad. I think it would be so once a statue.

Sure. Of the just the finite lifespan. Earth itself and the solar system itself. That even though it's possibe, you know, I mean, how many? Well, how long do they feel like the sun and the solar system is going to exist? How many hundreds of millions years?

Well, it's probably if you're saying that. When does the sun boil the ocean? Right.

About 500 million years. So is is it sad that we never leave? Because in 500 million years that happens. Is that what you're saying? Now, I just think, like there are two futures and one futurists were out there among the stars and the things we read about and see in science fiction movies, the good ones are true. We have these starships and we're.

We're going to see what other planets are like and where a multi-planet species in the scope and scale of consciousness is expanded. The cross, many civilizations and many planets and many star systems, this is a great future. This is a wonderful thing to me, and that's what we should strive for. But that's biological travel, that's cells traveling physically to another location. Yes. Do you think that's definitely where we're going? No. Yeah, I don't think so either.

I used to think so. And now I'm thinking more likely, less. Than ever. Like almost every day less likely. We can definitely go to the moon and Mars. Yeah. Do you think we will go to the asteroid belt and we can go to the moons of Jupiter?

Saturn, you didn't get to Pluto w the craziest place ever.

If we colonize Mars and retire, reformed it and turned it into like a big Jamaica just I think shed's and I think about it. I mean imagine. Right. You're gonna be great. It's PAETEC. Amazing. Right.

We turn the whole thing into Cancun. Well, I mean, over time it wouldn't be easy.

But yes. Right. It's you could just when you could warm it up. Yeah. You can warm it up.

You could add air. Yes. Water there. I mean over time hundreds of millions of years, whatever it takes would be a multi-planet species.

That would be amazing. Well we've found a species.

That's what we want to Bently like air conditioned.

Sad. I'm pro-human. Me too. Yeah, me too. I love humanity. I think it's great. We're glad as a robot that you love humans because we we love you too. And we don't want you to kill us and eat us.

And I mean, you know, strangely, I think a lot of people don't like humanity and see it as a blight. But I do not.

Well, I think one of those I think part of that is just they've been you know, they've been struggling.

When people struggle, they associate their struggle with other people. They never internalize their problems. They look to other people as holding them back. And people suck and fuck people.

And it's just, you know, it's never a never ending cycle. But not always. Again, most people. Really good. Most people. Vast majority. This may sound corny. It does sound quantitative, but love is the answer. Is the answer. Yep. Yeah, it is. It sounds corny because we're all scared, you know, we're all scared of trying to love people being rejected or. Someone taking advantage of you because you're trying to be loving.

Sure. But if we all could just relax and love each other. Wouldn't hurt to have more love in the world. It definitely wouldn't hurt. Yeah, it'd be great. Yeah, we should do that. Yeah, I agree, man. Really?

How do you fix that? You have a love machine, you know, but probably spend more time with your friends and less time on social media.

Now, deleting social media from your applications, from your phones that give you 10 percent opposed to happiness was. We think the percentages. I think probably something like that. Yeah. All right. Good, 10 percent. Yeah, I mean. I mean, the only thing I've kept is Twitter because I kind of like need some means of getting the message out, you know. Right. That's about it. So far, so good. Well, what's interesting with you, you actually occasionally engage with people on Twitter.

Yeah, it's what percentage of that is a good idea, huh? Good question, 10 percent.

thaat it's mostly I think it's on balance more good than bad, but there's definitely some bad. So do you ever hopefully the good outweighs the bad.

Do you ever think about how odd it is, the weird feeling that you get when someone says some shit, hit you on Twitter and you read it? The weird feeling is a weird little negative jolt. It's like a subjective negative jolt of energy. Don't really need to absorb what you do anyway. Woolfolk The score for Koum.

I mean, there's a lot of negativity on Twitter. It is, but it's a weird. It's in its form, like the way if you ingest it, as if you're like you try to be like a little scientist as you're ingesting it. You're like, wow, how weird is this? And I'm even getting upset at some strange person saying something mean to me, son, even accurate.

I mean, there are a vast number of negative comments, some of us for the vast majority who just ignore them, the vast majority. You know, every now and again, get drawn in. What good? It's not good.

Make mistakes.

Yes, you can make mistakes. You make some mistakes. We're all human. We can make mistakes. Yeah, it's hard.

And people love it when you say something and you take it back and you like, fuck you, we saved it forever. Fucking screenshot that shit, bitch.

You had that thought. You had that thought like, well I deleted it. Not good enough. You had the thought. I'm better than you. I never had that thought. You had that thought. You piece of shit. Look, I saved it. I put it on my blog.

Yeah. I'm not sure why people think that that anyone would think that's a deleting. A tweet makes it go away. It's like hello the Internet for a while.

Yeah, well it's even like anything is they don't forever you to be able to delete it because the problem is if you don't delete it and you don't believe it anymore. It's really hard to say, hey, that thing above. I don't really believe that anymore. I change my hair the way I view things. Yes. Because people go, well, fuck you. I have that over there. I'm gonna just take that.

I'm not going to pay attention that shit you wrote and it's on your permanent record forever. I like high school too. Well, put this on your permanent record. Yeah.

It's like a tattoo. You keep it. Yeah. Yeah.

Well it's it's this thing where there's it's it's all there's a lack of compassion.

So lack of compassion issue people just like intentionally shitty to each other all the time online and trying to catch me.

It's more trying to catch people doing something that's arrestable like a cop trying to like get, you know, arrests on his record.

It's like they're trying to catch you with something more than they're logically looking at it, thinking it's a bad thing that you've done or that it's an idea they don't agree with so much. They need to insult you trying to catch you.

Yeah. I mean, it's way easier to be mean on social media than it is to be mean in person. Yes. Way easier. Yeah. Yeah, it's weird.

It's it's not a normal way of human interacting, it's chewing. And that's supposed be able to interact so easily.

People are not looking at. Yes. You would never do that.

You don't be so mean to somebody looking in their eyes. If you did, you'd feel like shit. Most people. Yeah. Unless you're a sociopath, you'd feel terrible. Yes.

Elon Musk, there's been a pleasure. Yeah, likewise. Really, husband? It's been an honor. Thank you for having me. Thanks for doing this. Cause I know you don't do a lot of longform stuff like this. Hobbiton weird you out and hope you don't get mad that you smoke weed. I mean, bad. It's legal. Weird.

California. This is just as legal's this whiskey we've been drinking. Exactly. This is all good.

All right. Cheers. Thank you.

There any message you would like to put out other than love is the answer, because I think you really nailed it with that.

Now, I think, you know, I think people should be nicer to each other and give people and give give more credit to to others. And don't assume that they're mean until you know they're actually mean. You know, just. It's easy to demonize people, usually wrong about it. People are nicer than you think. Give people more credit. I couldn't agree more.

And I want to thank you not just for all the crazy innovations you've come up with and your constant flow of ideas, but that you choose to spread that idea, which is it's it's very vulnerable, but it's very honest and it resonates with me and I believe it.

I believe it's true, too. So thank you. You're welcome. All you assholes out there.

Be nice P. Nice bitch. All right. Thank you, everybody. Thank you. Good night, everybody.