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When Tracy Raquel Burns was two years old, her baby brother died.

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I was told that Matthew died in an accident.

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Her parents told police she had killed him. I'm Nancy Glass. Join me for Burden of Guilt, the new podcast that tells the true and incredible story of a toddler who was framed for murder. Listen to Burden of Guilt on the iHeartRadio App Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

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A brand new historical true crime podcast. When you lay suffering a sudden, brutal death. Starring Allison Williams, I hope you'll think of me erased the murder of Elma Sands.

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She was a sweet, happy, virtuous girl until she met that man right there.

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Written and created by me, Allison Flock.

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Is it possible, sir, we're standing by for your answer.

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Erased the murder of Elma Sands on the iHeartRadio App Apple podcasts or wherever you listen to your podcasts the system's broken.

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I said something's wrong here. You know, whenever a woman's allowed to kill my two kids.

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Unrestorable is a new true crime podcast that investigates the case of Catherine Hoggle, a mother accused of murder. Despite signs that Catherine Hoggle took her tiny children one by one into the night, never to come home again, she has yet to stand trial. Listen to Unrestorable on the iHeartRadio App Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. And to hear the show completely ad free, subscribe to the Iheart True Crime Plus channel, available exclusively on Apple podcasts. Plus you'll get ad free access to dozens of hit true crime shows like Paper Ghosts, Betrayal, and The Idaho Massacre.

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There's a place beyond this place, a middle ground between the light and the darkness, the nader and the zenith. For some, it's a bridge between the living and the dead. Yet for others, it's something else entirely. It's the place where our nightmares dwell. Each one of us has touched the other side and felt the presence of something beyond this world.

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We now venture into a realm where the boogeyman are real in this tale ripped from the darkest corners of urban life. A story that unfolds in a West Toronto neighborhood where the vulnerability of youth collides with the terrors of the adult world. Smiley unpacks his haunting encounter with this man, seemingly possessed and one among the army of drug addicted zombies roaming the streets. Brace yourselves for a harrowing journey into a nightmarish underworld that exists in the shadows of an all too real urban landscape.

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My name's Smiley, and this is my hip hop horror story. So as a kid, I used to watch Cruella Deville, and then I always used to dream of her. I would always have scary nightmares of her coming in, like, in my basement, and she'll come out the furnace room, and I would wake up. That was the scariest thing to me as a kid. My last dream I had of her. She came in the dream, and for some reason, I couldn't move I couldn't move. And then she was walking towards me and I see my friends pass me, but for some reason the words couldn't come out my mouth. I was trying to say Help me, but I wouldn't. You know when you try to scream but nothing's coming out. So it was the weirdest feeling. Then she was walking towards me in the dream and then my friends just passed me and I was like, no, she wasn't scary when I watched the movie, but in the dream she was scary because it's one on one in the dream, it's like everything's scary in the dream. I'd always try to escape the basement in the dream and she would grab me by my legs and drag me down to the furnace.

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Like the furnace room was dark and everything. That's where she came from. So I think that's where she was trying to drag me in there. And I would disappear somewhere while I'd always wake up. I think she wanted to take me to, you know, narnia, I think that was a secret thing. Alright, so when I was a little kid, I lived in this neighborhood in the West End, in Toronto, around a lot of fiends, a lot of crackheads. Our neighborhood was a neighborhood where the crack has just walked in. There would be a hundred crackheads walking in and the dealers just stand inside and they don't have to move anywhere. That's the type of neighborhood like, you know, in the wire. There was something happened around my neighborhood. It was this girl, rest in peace, Holly Jones. She got murdered around our neighborhood. Some pedophile guy kidnapped her and chopped her into like 100 pieces and dumped her in the lake. And they found the body with all the remaining till that actually happened. So that was going on around the neighborhood. The neighborhood was just like spooky at those times because after that happened to the little girl, it was crazy.

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That was super sad in the neighborhood because she went to the school in our neighborhood and then she was missing for like a week. And then once we found out in the news the guy lived right in the neighborhood, he walked past that house every time. So then once they said the police kicked the door, everything, but they found the body bag in the lake in 1000 pieces. And it was crazy because that guy, he had her in his house for probably four days in the refrigerator or the freezer. And while he had her in there, the cops actually were knocking at each door and they knocked at his door too. And he talked to them also. That's what they said in the news. And then yeah, they just found out after like a week later they found the remainings and yeah, that was super sad. They didn't want us to walk by ourselves in the neighborhood. You started seeing less kids walking by themselves. There was a lot of things changed, but we still went outside because we're in a larger group. And then every time after school, me and my brothers will go walk around to the store or we'll go walk to our friend's house or something.

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We had to always walk the furthest also. So now we're just walking and we're not even talking and we're just trying to get home quick because we're hungry, too tired. And then one day it was actually like a sunny day, sunny day. It was like 06:00 p.m.. Summertime around like summertime times. And out of nowhere seen this tall, black, scary man. He was huge. He was like probably like six foot three, something like that. He had no noise. He was super skinny. He was serious look, serious short hair. He had big cargo pants. Extra, extra large t shirt for like a skinny guy, scary man look. So then he would always look at us. He would follow us. And then we just thought it was a joke. Then we realized the man was following us for too long. So then at some point we just ran away. We lost him. Now, like two days later we see him again. We're just like, oh, no, this guy must have just moved in the neighborhood or something. And we were so young, super young, me and my two brothers. And then this time he followed us again, but he's speed walking.

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And then we're just like, no way, this guy is a serial killer. And it was kind of like funny at first. We kind of like the excitement with that what we realized this guy's actually following us. No, it wasn't funny no more. So we're just like, this guy is a serial killer. So then we started running away again. Now we told our older brother and he's just trying to look for this guy now. And then probably a week later. Now we haven't seen him again since this day. Now a week later, we're playing soccer in Aline. It was just me and my brother and one of our friends. Now we see him out of nowhere and this was further than where we normally we don't see him in this little part of this area. So it's kind of weird. He was in the back laneway also where we were playing soccer. He was walking towards us and we seen him. And then he just looks in the air and like his eyes roll all the way back and he was kind of like shaking. He's doing like this exorcist look like he's getting possessed. And now we run and he starts chasing after us.

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And then I was scared because I'm like, oh, fuck, these guys are going to leave me. These guys are faster than me. I'm going to get caught by myself. So I ran like, no, tomorrow I went in a neighbor's house and the guy would disappear. We never seen him after that. Growing up, I realized he was just a super crackhead. I don't believe in ghosts that much, but as a kid, me seeing this man, he looked like something scarier than ghost. At that moment, he looked like he was ready to kidnap me and my brothers and no one was ever going to see us again. There'll be no Smigs.

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In a world where the monsters of our imagination vie for space with the very real demons that walk among us. Smiley's story is a testament to the resilience of the human spirit, as well as a chilling reminder that sometimes the scariest tales are those that lurk just outside our front doors. But maybe that vivid imagination allowed him to cope, to endure, and to eventually emerge scarred but wiser from his gauntlet of youth. In this next story, we grapple with the unknown against the backdrop of music, art, boxing rings and sacred African rituals, as Narcy sets out on a trip to shoot a music video only to find himself entangled in a web of phenomena that defies logic and transcends time. His expedition is marked by a tragic event the passing of boxing legend and global icon Muhammad Ali. As they proceed with their production, narcy and his crew find themselves with the uncanny feeling that there's a presence nearby, the essence of the greatest himself reaching across realms to touch another artist's life. The line between the mortal and the ethereal is often blurred, leaving us with more questions than answers.

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So in like, 2017, I had the opportunity to collaborate with a group called A Tribe Called Red at the time. They're called the hallucination now. And we got in the studio with Yasim Bay and recorded the song Red, which is one of the major moments in my career. And somebody gave me a call. One of my friends gave me a call who was the producer on the video, and he said, Listen, we got to go to South Africa in like, four days to go shoot the music video for this. Are you down to direct it? So I've never directed a video. I mean, I've always been involved in the direction of my videos but never directed it myself. So I had to come up with a concept, do all my visual research, get on a plane and fly to South Africa. I'd never been to the continent before, so it was all very overwhelming. But what I tend to do in these moments in my career is embrace the magic and let the quote unquote universe or Allah take control of the whole situation. And as soon as we got on the plane, it was an extremely turbulent flight.

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There was a lot of moments of fear. I'm already a pretty fearful traveler. We're to DJ Khaled. But then we landed in South Africa. And soon as we landed, my friend walks off the plane and he's wearing a Muhammad Ali jersey. And we find out Muhammad Ali passed away. We had a very friendly kind of vibe around us, but it was definitely like there was something that was coming to us, and it was that news that Muhammad Ali had died. So there was a bit of heaviness in the air that we felt I guess the people around us knew, but we didn't know until we got to the apartment, to the airbnb, and we get on the ground. We go meet Yassin, we brief him on the video idea. He's down. Next day, we go and location scout. And as I'm location scouting, we have this specific place that we want to end up in is they take these old shipping containers and they turn them into bodegas in South Africa. And I really wanted to hit this specific one because the sun set right behind it as we were location scouting. So I'm like, this is the one, right?

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So day two, I pick up the newspaper, and I throw it in the car, and we start our shoot. We go to Bukhaf, which is like, the majority Muslim area in the city. We shoot by a mosque. We only have the rights to shoot on this specific street. And there's this kid following me around the whole time, and it was him in a soccer ball, and he kept following me around. So as we took a break, I started talking to him, and he was an Arabic kid. He was playing in the streets, so he wasn't, like, decked out. I remember him being in T shirts and shorts, and I looked at him, and I was, know you live around here? He said yeah. I was know. How old are you? I think he said, like seven or eight. And I was like, what's your name? He's like, what's your name? I said my name is Yasin. I said, what's your name? He said, my name is Muhammad Ali. And there's no way he would have known. There's no way he would have made that. You know, we went, we prayed, and then we were a bit delayed because of traffic, obviously, I didn't know know Cape Town would be so busy at the time that we were shooting.

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So we end up by the Cornish to shoot the scene before we go to that bodega, but we end up, like an hour late, and the sun is setting, so we shoot the video. We shoot the final scene. I get in the car. We missed the scene that I wanted to get by the bodega, and I grabbed the newspaper that I bought earlier in the day, and it tells the reader about the last time Muhammad Ali was in Cape Town and what he did. And he walked from the street that we shot on. He prayed at the mosque that we prayed at, and then walked all the way to the location where we shot on the Cornish and ended his day there and caught the sunset there. So for me, it was like two things. Number one, it was that we were guided by some bigger spirit than us. Muhammad Ali is really big to me and to Yassim Bay and to the producer, Saul Guy of the video. So we were, like, really in awe. I was like, listen, guys, I need a moment. This is a bit too eerie for Know it all.

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Felt very guided by a spirit outside of us. And I go by the water, and there's another little kid running towards me with a soccer ball on the water. And he's rocking a Montreal Canadians jersey as he approaches me. And I asked, I was like, man, your name better not be, you know. And his father comes with him, and I was know, where are you guys from? He's like, oh, we used to live in Montreal, but we moved to Cape Town recently. I was like, that's crazy. I just got here from Montreal. And I was like, what's your name? And he's like, my name's Yasi. And I was like, there's no way this is happening to me, right? This none of this is Cap, by the way. This is all like real life events. So I remember just going back to the hotel and really cleansing myself and just clearing the air and feeling like I got to learn to just let go and embrace the moment. But I feel like if I let go and embrace the moment too much, the moment might carry me away and take me to places I might not want to go to.

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So that's one of the stories.

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Was it a coincidence? Or was it something far more profound? The spirit of the greatest reaching across realms to touch an artist's life. The line between the mortal and the immortal is often blurred. Leave us pondering what the answers to the questions are. We'll let you decide.

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When Tracy Raquel Burns was two years old, her baby brother died.

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I was told that Matthew died in an accident, and no one really talked about it.

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Her parents told police she had killed him.

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Medical records said that I killed my baby brother.

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I'm Nancy Glass. Join me for Burden of Guilt, the new podcast that tells the true and incredible story of a toddler who was framed for murder and how she grew into an adult, determined to get justice and protect her family.

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While we had prosecuted some cold cases, this was the coldest. This was frigid.

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But how does a two year old get blamed for murder?

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She said we wanted a new life. You just don't know what it's like when you'll do anything for somebody.

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Listen to Burden of Guilt on the iHeartRadio app Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

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You a brand new historical true crime podcast.

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The year is 1800. City Hall, New York.

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The first murder trial in the American judicial system.

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A man stands trial for the charge.

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Of murder even with defense lawyers Alexander Hamilton and Aaron Burr on the case, this is probably the most famous trial you've never heard of. When you lay suffering a sudden, violent, brutal death, I hope you'll think of me starring Alison Williams. I don't need anything simplified, Mr. Hamilton. Thank you. With Tony Goldwyn as Alexander Hamilton.

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Don't be so sad, Catherine. It doesn't suit you.

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Written and created by me, Alison Flock. What are you doing? Let go of me. Listen to erased the murder of Elma Sand.

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She was a sweet, happy, virtuous girl until she met that man right there.

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On the iHeartRadio App Apple podcasts or wherever you listen to your podcast.

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I noticed Jacob is not in his crib. So I look in Sarah's room. She's not there. So I'm like, okay, they're not there.

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Unrestorable is a new true crime podcast that investigates the case of Catherine Hoggle, a mother accused of thinking, you know.

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Like, what's going on? Like, this is insane. Like, where are my kids?

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Despite signs that Catherine Hoggle took her tiny children one by one into the night, never to come home again, she has yet to stand trial. Because soon after her children went missing, she was declared incompetent to stand trial.

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We have a blueprint to get away with murder in the state of Maryland.

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At this point in Maryland, if a defendant is found incompetent and can't be restored to competency, their felony charges are dismissed after five years. So as the clock counts down, catherine's charges on the verge of being dismissed. What does justice look like in this case?

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Something's wrong here. You know, whenever a woman's allowed to kill my two kids.

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Listen to Unrestorable on the iHeartRadio App Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. And to hear the show completely ad free, subscribe to the Iheart True Crime Plus channel, available exclusively on Apple podcasts. Plus you'll get ad free access to dozens of hit true crime shows like Paper Ghosts, Betrayal, and The Idaho Massacre.

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What's up, everybody? This is Belly, and this is my hip hop horror story. So this story is kind of like a two part story. It starts off with something that affected me when I was a kid. Let's say the year was probably 1995. I was walking home from school. There was this long path that you can cut through, so I would always use this path and cut through. And the whole way walking home was like a cloudy day, kind of drizzling a little bit, and I just felt like someone was watching me. So as I'm walking towards my house, walking alone, I kept turning around, like, as if someone was there watching me. So I finally approached the house. I'm getting to the neighborhood, same thing. As soon as I get to the corner, I turn around quickly. I felt like someone was watching me. So now I get to the house. My older brother is there. As soon as I open the door, I go to explain to him that it felt like someone was watching me. And he cuts me off and tells me my grandfather passed away. Now something that I think people should know is me and my grandfather, out of all the dozens of grandkids he had, we had a special relationship and bond.

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I was like his best friend. I was the only person that could talk out of turn to him or use, like, kids swear words with him. But he was in the army, so he was very strict with the other grandkids, and everybody would always be like, yo, how come your relationship with him is so different? But I grew up kind of sick. I was in and out of hospitals when I was young, and I think he just felt like he had a soft spot for me because of that. I think I still feel like his presence is around. Whenever something major happens, I can still feel him, and I still feel his presence now because of that. The following summer, we end up going to Jordan to visit the know. My mom wanted to see her brothers and sisters and extended family, so we end up in Jordan, and we're kind of moving around from relatives to other relatives, just making our rounds. The way it works back home is they take it disrespectfully if you stay in a hotel. So everybody was like, yo, this night to this night, you're over here, so and so on and so forth.

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So we just ended up every few, say, like a week, we would end up in a new household of a relative. So now we end up at my aunt's house. My cousin Bilal was there and my older brother Ryder. So now we're all at my aunt's house. We're playing cards every night. We're staying up and sneaking out. We're going out in the daytime and flipping rocks over and finding lizards and snakes and just dumb shit kids do, especially Arab kids. So we start to hear about this young girl that lives in the same, not neighborhood, lives in the same house or like, duplex triplex that my cousin and my aunt lived in. So we start to hear like, she's been acting weird and people feel like she's possessed. She's using swear words that she shouldn't know, stuff not even from our era. Swear words I probably wouldn't even understand in Arabic. She's given her grandmother, like, a super hard time, and this is a really young girl. They don't got TV, they don't got radio. So super sheltered seeing the little girl once, and she just looked like no one was taking care of her.

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Like she looked a little disheveled. Her hair wasn't done. She looked a little skinny even for that. She almost looked malnourished. I don't want to say that, but she just didn't look like anyone was really properly taking care of her. Her hair wasn't done. It looked like she just, like, woke up from the bed. So the the mystery was like, where could she have learned any of this? So people started to worry, and then we kind of just told the story and moved on. So a few nights later, we sneak out, and there was a vacant apartment across from my aunt's apartment. So we snuck out, got into the vacant apartment, and we wanted to smoke cigarettes. That was the whole reason we snuck out. We wanted to smoke cigarettes and drink soda at night. And the moms wouldn't let us do that because we would stay up all night. That night, for me at least, felt weird from the beginning. The weather wasn't like it usually is. It was a little cooler that day. So we snuck out some glass bottle coca cola, brought it into the vacant spot. We went and bought a pack of cigarettes earlier that day, because you could buy cigarettes at like, three.

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And we had the cigarettes. They lit up cigarettes. I was younger than them by like five years. My older cousin bilal and my older brother. So I was younger than them by at least five years. And they were kind of, like, trying to be the authority on me. And I'm like, man, pass it. Pass that shit, bro. I just want they were like, nah, you're too young. So we having this argument, and then we just hear a screech. And we all stopped and looked at each other. It was like blood curdling. We all looked at each other like, the hell is going on? Then boom, it happened again. So my cousin was like, it's probably two cats fighting. Like, two street cats going at it. They're like fucking ninjas, those street cats. They'll jump off a shit 12ft high, do spins, all kinds, and then they'd be screaming. So we're like, yes, for sure. A couple of stray cats. Then it starts to intensify. Now we're hearing swear words mixed in with screaming. I'm talking vile shit. I'm not talking, like, light swear words. This is shit I'd be embarrassed to say in front of most people.

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So now we're actually really scared. Hair stands up. I'm like, I just want to go home. I want to get on a plane to canada at this point. But it keeps going. And then we start to hear prayer. So there's somebody praying, and the prayer keeps getting louder and louder. The person that's being exercised, let's say, was getting louder even than the prayer. And it kept going and going and going. And this went on for three or 4 hours, and as soon as the sun started to crack, everything stopped. And it was like silence. And I wasn't on I mean, I drank coca cola. I was probably on a sugar rush, but I couldn't sleep regardless. It was the scariest sound that I ever heard in my life. And we couldn't just sneak back into my aunt's house, because at this point, we knew there was a lot of things that could have woke up the house, so we wanted them to just think we were sleeping. So we had to post up in the vacant apartment. And the windows weren't even really set up properly, so some of the windows were kind of like six inches, eight inches open, and we couldn't close them.

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There was, like, screws. And so we're literally having to sit in this room with no furniture, so everything's echoing off the walls. And we're listening to what I believe to be a live exorcism. So we decide to not tell anybody. We decide to keep it kind of like a pack between us. And probably, like, five days later, we're outside. We're, like, shooting marbles or something, and the grandma walks out with the little girl. And it was like any story that they had told before about craziness wasn't there. It was just the grandma and her granddaughter walking to the store. I don't know if memory serves me right, I think she was even skipping. I don't know what I witnessed that night. I'm not sure. But it was definitely a night that I'll always remember and a sound that I'll never forget. Close. Sam.

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When Tracy Raquel Burns was two years old, her baby brother died.

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I was told that Matthew died in an accident.

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Her parents told police she had killed him. I'm Nancy Glass. Join me for Burden of Guilt, the new podcast that tells the true and incredible story of a toddler who was framed for murder. Listen to Burden of Guilt on the iHeartRadio App Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

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A brand new historical true crime podcast when you lay suffering a sudden, brutal death. Starring Allison Williams. I hope you'll think of me erased the murder of Elma Sands.

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She was a sweet, happy, virtuous girl until she met that man right there.

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Written and created by me, Allison Flock.

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Is it possible, sir, we're standing by for your answer.

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Erased the murder of Elma Sands on the iHeartRadio App Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen to your podcasts.

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I'm Paul Muldoon, a poet who, over the past several years, has had the good fortune to record hours of conversations with one of the world's greatest songwriters, sir Paul McCartney. The result is our new podcast, McCartney a Life in Lyrics. Listen to McCartney A Life in lyrics on the iHeartRadio App Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.