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Hey, everybody, welcome to another episode of Hotbox and others in Britain. And I'm Mike, Mike and Mike. We've got a really fascinating guest today. Fascinating. I like that word. We've got the man Justin ran in the house, welcomed my brother. Thank you so much.


How are you doing? I'm doing good. Thank you so much, Mike. This is pretty surreal for me to be here with you guys. My guy Matthew right here has watched every episode of the podcast, all 53 or so that you guys.


I love it. He absolutely loves that. You're after your first episode.


He said, I've got to be on the show. And so I'm so grateful that you guys are having me on.


He's a great hype man to know that you got to get on hotbox. Yeah, I've to get the word out there, man. Well, Justin, I mean, you're a professional army fighter, but really, I mean, you're so much more than that. You're an incredible humanitarian right now. The most timely issue that you're really the tip of the spear on is this anti-bullying movement. And standing with Raiden. Yeah. Who's a young man in high school?


Actually, he's 12. He's a big boy, though. Yeah. He's 12 years old. Maybe before we jump into that, why don't you tell us a little bit about. Your journey to starting fight for the forgotten. Sure, and yeah, let's just start there, ma'am.


OK, first, just so grateful for both of you guys having me on. Think this is awesome. Thank you. Fighting for me was something I found after getting relentlessly bullied growing up. I think a lot of martial artists, enemy fighters grew up being bullied, not being the bully. And so I found martial arts through being bullied. And so that was my story at 13 years old, that I'd gone through five years of being relentlessly bullied, sitting at the lunch table by myself, not being welcome at other tables, getting pelted in the back of the head with.


Chocolate milk, spit wads or other pieces of food or fist as kids walked by. I remember getting. I don't know, beat up in the locker room as an eighth grade seventh grade and was in the football locker room just sitting there, got hit in the back of the head with a football helmet, didn't even see it coming, just got blindsided by it. Cheap shot, had my my clothes from the locker room while I'm in the showers, you know, all my clothes thrown out into the the the auditorium or the the gym, the volleyball girls.


And, you know, I'm 12 years old, heavyset kid, and all my clothes are in with the the girls volleyball team and I don't have anything to cover up with. And so then other times publicly ridiculed. I'll give you one story, Mike, real quick, but my middle school crush wanted to catch her attention. Biggest crush I had ever had.


And so I. I found out she was having a birthday party. I got the invitation to it. It was a costume contest. The winner was going to get a prize and so on. It said the prize was a Dr. Pepper gumball machine. So Dallas Fort Worth, Dr. Pepper is a big thing.


And I found out other people were going as Batman and Superman.


All these different things or characters I probably should have known as Thor, you know, being a Viking looking guy. But I found out she loved Transformers and her favorite transformer was Optimus Prime Love.


So I decided I would go as Dr. Optimist's Pepper to her her birthday party. So her dad worked at Dr. Pepper. She loved Transformers. There was a daddy factory there. Yeah, down down there. Dallas Fort Worth. That's where her dad worked. And that's why the price was a Dr Pepper gumball machine, because he worked there. So we know from head to toe, I lived in a little country town, Crawley, Texas, and my mom was some duct tape and me with some cardboard boxes of Dr.


Pepper. We made myself into Dr. Optimist's Pepper head to toe, 24 pack on the head, twelve packs on the arm, chest plate, a shield and a sword went to the party. My mom said, Man, she's going to love this. Get to her party. Her grandmother, Mimi, opened the door. And he goes, oh, my gosh, Jennifer's going to love this. She was surprised, but like Jennifer's going to love this walk in, the rumors at school were true.


I get to just push the button. I didn't have to pay for it. And the Dr Pepper pops out at this in there in the living room. I go the backyard, open the door. And I met by all my peers and I hit with a couple of flashes of light and my eyes adjust. I hear the sound of laughter and I look out and one of my classmates are dressed up. It was just me. And then I hear my middle school crush crush me saying, I can't believe you thought you were good enough to come to my party next to her.


Tyler said you're worthless. And next to her, Justin or Justin. I said, you should just kill yourself. Really. And so not it was just a big setup. Not one other kid dressed up, just me, just so that they could publicly ridicule me, shame me. And that's when I started the biggest battle of my life, which was against depression and suicidal ideation. You know, at 13 years old, just like with and right now being 12 years old, you believe the things people say about you.


You don't have that resilience built up in you yet. And the effects of bullying can last a lifetime unless you have some big life transformation thing happen. A coach come into your life and mentor you tell you you can be great, believe in you. And so, yeah, 13 years old, I started that biggest battle of my life, probably a few weeks after that, maybe a couple of months after that, I found Emami. I was at a small traders village like a flea market in Dallas Fort Worth, and I found a used VHS tape store.


And when I was there, I found in the mail and it was UFC, not one one was missing, but I think it was like UFC two through nine or two through 11. And I spent all my allowance on that because when I found it, I looked at these guys in my first initial thought was these guys don't get bullied. I was my first thought and then turn it over. So boxing versus wrestling versus kickboxing versus jujitsu versus sumo versus all these things.


And so I bought it all, went home with it. I'd hide it from my parents. My parents were real conservative and but I just I just fed on it. I loved I loved that these guys probably don't get bullied, but I fell in love, truly love with the chess match of it, combining all the different sports putting into one. Well, this is kind of funny. I don't really share this, but when my dad found the used VHS tapes under my bed, he thought it was a stack of porn.


But but it was just him and me and. Yes, that's fine, Howard.


Very vivid. Yeah. So yeah. But that's how it all started. How I found Emami was was through being bullied and then figuring out these guys don't get bullied. And so that's when I started my martial arts journey and found wrestling and fighting and started pursuing it.


Wow. And then when you find out this is interesting, that to the bottom, nobody fucks with these guys. But then when you realize that, like, these guys who we the skin a lot emotionally. Psychologically. Yeah. They're very kind of very loving. And they want to love everybody and they need to take advantage of psychologically, mentally, financially and stuff that they get bullied from a different perspective then. Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah.




Well and then from there at fifteen started wrestling at two Olympic gold medalist as my high school coaches that taught me to visualize. Yeah.


Kini Monday, kini Monday and cannot cross and I know kini Monday. But he's been my coach for more than fifteen years now since I was fifteen to 32. Wow. The first African-American to win the wrestling Olympic gold medalist, RBM Olympic gold medalist. And he's been such a guiding light in my life, a coach, a mentor. And he's like that for so many guys now. He coaches him and me and he taught me to believe in myself because when I first stepped on the wrestling mats, I was completely timid because I had been bullied for since I was at least eight and I'm fifteen.


So I would I would I would telegraph everything I was going to do. I would show what I'm going to do before I did it. So the guys who know how to defend it because they've wrestled their whole life or even if they had a year on me, they knew what I was going to do before I did it. And then those guys just started teaching, not just muscle memory, but but but really confidence, having confidence in my moves.


And then finally just kind of clicked one day and I became a state champion and all-American, the national champion. And then I went to the Olympic training center after high school, went straight to the ROTC for Greco Roman wrestling star fighting. I was the youngest guy and the ultimate fighter TV show. No shit. Yeah, youngest guy. Yeah, well, for the heavyweights, 21 years old. Amazing. Nineteen was when I started fighting professionally in the Army.


And a lot of wrestlers are older whenever they get into it. But I jumped right into it. And yeah, it's kind of funny. This was before it was all regulated. So it's kind of from the old school guys a little bit. Even though I'm only 32 right now.


I was at a fight. I was supposed to coach my opponent or sorry, my. The guy was cornering, had a staph infection, and so I was the one chosen to go to the press release or the press conference and let him know he wasn't going to show up for Whalen's because he was in the hospital on IVs because his his staph infection was so bad on his his thigh. Mike, this is comes from wrestling jujitsu a lot, not as much in boxing the staph infections.


But he literally had this huge divot in his thigh and thus died from this.




This guy all the way down into his femur bone staph got into his femur so he couldn't fight. The opponent started talking trash thing that he ended up in the hospital one night early, that he was going to send them there the next night. Anyways, the promoter came up to me, said, hey, you want a chance to shut this guy up? And I was like, Man, I'm a wrestler. I'm not a fighter. I don't know how to do this.


I just came here to be his wrestling coach. And the guy said, hey, if you if you stand with them, you're going to get knocked out. This guy is a kickboxer. Don't stand with him. Put him on his back and beat him there. And he's talking to me like I'm actually taking the fight. I'm like, man, I came here to coach. He's like, hey, I'll give you the opportunity to to fight tomorrow night.


That guy told me that he the real promoted guy. Yeah. Got you in a fight. Yeah.


A little little little podunk show. And in Oklahoma I'm like taking it. And next night is about a minute and a half into the fight and put him on his back and then then finished him with ground and pound. Next fight was kind of the same thing an opponent or a guy was supposed to coach had a cold. The third fight, I was in Iowa and I was actually in the stands and I was 19 years old.


This guy drinking a beer with a fake ID and the guy the opponent, my opponent that night went into the cage and the promoter said his opponent that weighed in yesterday didn't even show up on the night of the fight. And so they were looking for someone that weighed over 260 pounds. And if there's someone in in the stands that wants to fight, just raise your hand. So my my friend looks at me, goes, what are you doing? I'm more like a button down shirt, jeans, nice shoes.


And I kind of raised my hand and he's like, what are you doing? So I literally had to borrow someone else's fight shorts.


I had to borrow someone else's jocking cup and I had to use a Boyland bite mouthpiece, put it in a coffee cup or coffee pot. I like to boil it down. And so those are my first three fights. Wow. Listen, you know how fortunate you are. And you. Yes, most guys, they don't finish like you normally they they they don't they have normally that the last three five they have and they're talking really funny for the rest of their life.


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Dot com slash Tyson telematic scheduling a free product tour right now and next week, dot com slash Tyson that NetSuite dot com slash Tyson. And I'm grateful I'm grateful now that so you asked about fight for the forgotten, and what I've learned is that fighting against people for competition, that's one thing, but it's a completely different thing, fulfilling for me at least. And that's why it's my life, mission in life, passion to fight for people. So getting into that, Mike, I got to go after five years of fighting professionally and I ended up being a depressed, drunk drug addict, hooked on oxy, went missing for eight weeks.


Fighting didn't fulfill me like I thought it would.


That childhood dream became a reality, turned into a nightmare because I lost all my money, became an addict and winner win or lose. I had an excuse to to use. And so I went missing for eight weeks, like literally like my parents to know I was best friend. It never was a family girlfriend. No one knew I was hitchhiking from drug house to drug house in Colorado. Men so deep into to OxyContin and my best friend left me a voicemail saying, I can't believe you missed my wedding.


I can't believe my best man didn't show up.


And so I was that hooked on on the opioids and almost took my life from that. And then from there, that kind of scared me sober, went back to my fight team. They voted me off his 34 to one. And that was like some of the best fighters in the world. Shane Carwin Brenin job. Nehama Marquardt, D'Wayne being Ludwig Rishard Evans, some big name guys voted me off the fight team. And so that was kind of rock bottom for me.


That nightmare was even being taken away from me, which was just my identity was being a fighter. And so then I started volunteering at different things and by happenstance, I ended up living 11 months later after being a bit sober and big life change ended up in the Congo, living in the rainforest with the pygmy people, the hunter gatherers, and got adopted in his family with them.


And wait a minute, how did you just end up there? Yeah. How did you guys. They were happy with you and the pygmy.


OK, well, I do want to talk about staying with Radim, but I got to share this then.


We got plenty of time. Yeah. Go tell us. I mean, this is fascinating.


So how did you I end up in the Congo with the pygmies get adopted into the family?


Yeah, it was wild. How did you get to the Congo? What was it that did you buy a plane ticket and said, I'm going to the Congo? Or like, how did that come about?


I did that, but it was something absolutely wild that got me up to that point. What was I've been I've been a little timid to share it out there publicly because I know it sounds wild.


It's saying if you can say it so.


So 11 months. Mike, you probably did visualisations, right, a lot of my life every day of your life. OK, yesterday, today, this morning, I would be forthcoming. OK, well, the day here, I would do it. Yeah.


So before I'd go wrestle, we had sports psychologist at the Olympic Training Center that would take you through visualisation drills like see what color singlet you're wearing, your wrestling uniform, is it red or is it blue?


The two colors that they allow at the Olympic level, you see yourself shaking hands with your opponent, you walking out on the mat. What's the sounds? What's the smells? You know, what's what's your game plan? How are you setting that up? What's your first tie up in your first set up to your first takedown? OK, he got the takedown. How do you reverse it? And you see this in your mind 100 times before you ever go do it or more?


Yeah, well, this was unlike anything I visualized because I wasn't coached into it. All of a sudden it just happened. And I was eleven months into this kind of life change. I had stopped fighting and I thought I was going to stop fighting for a year. Well, this was eleven months in and so I started looking for a fight again. And I mean, all I did was I said this quick, simple sort of prayer where I said, God, what do you want me to do with my life?


That's all I said. And man, I had a movie in my mind that I didn't try to conjure up. I didn't try to fabricate. All of a sudden, I was taken to the forest and I was walking down this footpath. And then all of a sudden I heard drumming and I keep walking down this footpath in the forest. I clear, like, thickets out of the way. And then I hear singing a very distinct kind of almost yodeling type singing.


And then I come into this clearing and and I meet a guy or see him and I see his ribs kind of poking out and he's coughing. And I knew that he's sick and my eyes just adjust. I see these twig and leaf huts and then I just was flooded with this knowledge of who these people were, that they were hungry and thirsty and poor and sick, oppressed. And I knew that I knew that they're enslaved, that they called someone else master.


And then I felt that they felt forgotten. That's all I knew was forgotten. I grabbed this piece of paper and I write Forgotten on the top of it and hungry, poor, sick, oppressed, thirsty, enslaved. And then and before I ever wrote that, I just came out of that vision just crying, unlike I've ever cried in my life for these people that I don't know. I don't know who they are, where they are. But I left a little I like that much of of tears.


You can't call that a puddle, but I mean, a pretty big size of tears. I just was crying. Didn't know these people. But my heart all I can say was my heart was like. Shattered him emotionally, I was wrecked and I had no idea why who they were and for for three days I felt crazy because it had been 11 months since I had tried any psychedelics. I hadn't tried to conjure this up. I wasn't in a visualization drill with a sports psychologist.


All of a sudden I just lit up with this vision. I felt nuts for three days, couldn't tell anybody. And three days later, this guy named Caleb, who had put on like survival trainings around the world, like survivalist stuff. And he was friends with Bear Grylls, like the Man vs. Wild Guy.


And he was a humanitarian missionary type guy. And I met Caleb and I'm like me. And this might be the guy you could tell. He's kind of a crazy guy. And so I tell Caleb and he gets kind of perked up and he goes, I know who they are. And I said, What? And he goes, Those are the pygmy people. I said, who? And he goes there in the Congo. And I was like, Where?


I hadn't been to the Congo. I hadn't been I never heard of the pygmy people at this time. And he goes, I'm he goes, it's so crazy because I'm supposed to go see them in three and a half weeks from now, just over three weeks from now, he goes. But the team I was taking of men there, the three guys with them were all husbands and fathers, and they canceled their trip because the rebels had taken over the airport that they're flying into.


Over a million person city had been overtaken by rebels. He's like the State Department said, no American for any reason should travel to the Congo. And so he goes, look, my wife was telling me I should cancel my trip unless I get some sort of sign that I'm supposed to go.


He goes, Look, man, if you go, I'll go.


And I was like, What? No. Well, first I told him no because it was crazy. It was too out there, like, it's dangerous. I don't know who these people are, where they are. And so anyways, three and a half weeks later, I tell Caleb and I told a guy named Collin and three and a half weeks later, we're taken numerous planes there. We land on a runway that literally they cleared with machetes.


That was how they mowed the lawn there. Monkeys are jumping off the runway. We land, we get on a truck, we drive like six hours. We get out, we get on a motorcycle for a couple hours. We ride across a canoe. Then also we're hiking and we're hiking in. And also we hear drumming and then we hear singing and then we come into a clearing in. The first guy we meet has tuberculosis and his ribs are showing and he's coughing and he's coughing in it all the way down to the fact that kill him calling or grabbing me, saying, this is your vision.


Yeah, bro, this is your vision. Yeah. And I felt like this is nuts. Did I have some sort of mental break or mental lapse like what's going on with me? But even the chief pulled us to the side and said, hey, everyone else calls us the forest people. We call ourselves the forgotten. And when he said forgotten, that was what I had written to the top of that piece of paper was forgotten on the vision.


And so I knew known then that like for some reason, for some purpose, like I felt like I was brought there. But I doubted it for quite a while because coming back the first time, kind of the visual I had was I could try to help these people to have such significant suffering. I could spend my whole life trying. And the visual I got was that it was like emptying the ocean with an eyedropper and like, how long is that going to take?


And if I spent my whole life doing it, would it really make an impact? But, man, it's been wild, like might have had a little boy named Andy Bo pass away a cop in the back of his head and hold his little hand, and he passed away just for the water, dirty water and dirty water. So in his his mom. What's the matter with me? No, it was just a water borne disease. I've had malaria now three times.


What, malaria? It's brutal. First time I had it, I vomited red and green.


So as blood and bile after like four or five days, I lost 33 pounds and five days, 60, 60 to 70 percent or 65 to 70 percent of my bloodstream were parasites.


And so my kidneys were failing, my liver was failing, my veins were collapsing. They couldn't get IVs in me.


And then I had Blackwater fever, which is a side effect of malaria, 25 to 50 percent of the people that get Blackwater fever, they die. So I was one of the few lucky ones. And but when I finally was able to urinate, it was pitch black. That's why Blackwater fever is like motor oil or something. But I couldn't urinate for five full days, and whenever I did, it was that color. So it was brutal.


The joint pain, unlike anything you can imagine, your neck, your shoulders, your elbows, your wrist joints, like just radiating pain. And you feel like if we're in this room right now, it would feel like we were on a ship that was like eight, 10, 12 foot waves on a boat like you just rocking and your fever goes way up for a short time, maybe thirty minutes or an hour, and then it plummets and goes to where you're freezing.


So actually when your fever's up, that's when you're cold. And then whatever, your fever plummets like 96, that's whenever you're hot, you're just overheating. And so malaria was brutal. The three times I had it first time almost kill me the second third time weren't as bad. But yeah, I've had amoebas, intestinal parasites and a bunch of different stuff. But hey, this is stuff they deal with on a daily basis like I've had it. But, but they are losing loved ones to it.


And so since then, fight for the forgotten, we've been able to get back their land rights over 3000 acres of land for the pygmy people and we're helping them drill wells. So we've drilled 61 water wells for them and then started up for working farms. So three are fully sustainable that are supplying different things like corn, beans, rice, bananas to the local markets. And then whenever they're able to sell that first they're able to eat it for themselves, then they're able to sell it for others to eat.


And then from that, they make money to where they can buy school, pay school fees or buy school uniforms for their kids, can go to school for the first time. Yeah, I got to live in the huts with them for over a year. So I've been doing this since 2011. And one time I went for a full year and the other times ago go for maybe a month or two months or or three weeks.


And what we'd really try to do is just to empower the locals because they're the ones that want to be the change they want to see in the world or in their community or in their country. And the thing is that I've learned real quick is there's a great book called When Helping Hurts. You can try to help, but in the long run, you can hurt if you don't do it and appropriate, sustainable ways. And so, for instance, and just water wells, if you look at that, there's over 230000 broken wells in Africa right now, over 230000 broken wells that are minimum five thousand dollars each.


And so it's billions of wasted charitable dollars. And the reason it's wasted is because the locals weren't educated with the knowledge how to do it for themselves. They weren't equipped with the tools to be able to do it for themselves. And they were empowered with with like a self-sustaining business in country. They have to depend on the outsiders to do it for them. And so if a well breaks down after 11 months, which they normally do, you have to really have the locals like like changing oil after 3000 miles.


You have to be able to to to maintenance the well, it might just be a small nuts and bolts kind of quick fix, but if they don't know how to fix it, it's never going to be fixed. Do you think about that vision, either one of you, because I know that sounds crazy. No, I mean, I think we both totally believe in that stuff. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense about, um. I mean, we're not driving this thing, you know, we're not in charge that at all.


And we're just passengers. So why are you doing this? Yeah.


You know, we don't even know what we do, you know. I know.


But if you know the call to arms in a way. For me, a call to arms, like you said for me on the tough days, whenever I felt like not necessarily quitting, but the really tough days that make you question why you're doing what you're doing, it might be easier for me to do some other things. And on those days, you might want to question I can go back to that thing that's outside of me that isn't just I want to do this, which is a great motivator.


I want to do this. But it's I had this vision and there's a reason and a purpose for it. And so after going there and living and after bearing inaudible, they gave me the name FASA, Liberty, Monbulk. And so Fayose, I mean, it's the man who loves us and I love that one the most. I treasure that one. But maybe I'm wrong. But it hootenannies.


Yeah, I let me let me see if I can teach you to Budiman book Budiman but yeah.


There you go. It's pretty close. That means the big pygmy. So you're a big pig. There we go. Those guys, they're average height, four foot seven raelynn men for the men for seven.


And here's what's so crazy is people say the army brutalized them. Yes.


Now the the Congolese army or the Ugandan Army Ghandhi Ugandan. Yeah, they they so the pygmy people live in nine African nations from Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi, Congo, the other Congo. There's actually Flagel still. Yeah, they do. And a lot of areas that black people enslaving black people. Can you imagine you think of that there's over 200.


So we don't we don't necessarily name the tribe. Normally whenever we do our work, we fight for the forgotten because in Congo there's over 200 tribes and only a few of them might be doing this. But we say the mock, Paula, which means non pygmy people. And then people say, how do they have this injustice that this is still happening?


Even Cris Cyborg, who is here with you guys, she came on our last trip to Uganda.


I mean, maybe what can you remember seeing some documentaries about the harassment they were getting the government going and pushing the millenium and doing really bad stuff?


Well, kicking them out of the forest and a lot of areas where they're the protectors of the forest. So to protect the forest, why kick out the protectors?


But why were you how did the Ugandan I know they have a Borivali again and get the right to cross the border in hereafter.


Well, so there's pygmies that live in Uganda and then in in Congo and in Central African Republic, Gabon, Cameroon, Uganda and the Congo, that they have a civil war when they do not like each other.


Yeah, even Congo has been exploited. They are the richest country on planet Earth. Yeah. Yeah. For natural resources. Yeah. For gold, diamonds, coltan, rubber. Yeah, absolutely. That's where that kind of thing that they had was the name Leopold. Well yeah. Leopold the second heart of Darkness. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. And King Leopold's Ghost is another great book and there's a picture that you're talking about that's so brutal because they think there's 20 million Congolese that lived in Congo when King Leopold oh, he did a number on all weekend, 83 million.


That's what he did in the morning, like in 1870, the eighty the night he died in the nineteen to the time Leopold died. And yeah, he did a number on the people. And then he went and did it without anybody and they had to stop them eventually. He's just got to help. People in Europe thought the King Leopold was like a hero.


Right, because he's bringing the the and then they found out what he was doing in the world.


And a month. Yeah. Killed eight or actually. Yeah. Eight to ten million people. They think like half the country there. And then the rest of the fifty percent that lived, half of them were missing one or more limb because if they were working hard enough they were not off their hand. Oh no.


They would cut off their baby, their wives. If you don't work you don't leave me this amount of rubber today. I'm a cut off your daughter's hand. I'm a castrate. Yes, I'm going to do this. Absolutely brutal. Where where the picture you're talking about, I think there's a bunch of them out there, but there's a father reaching out for his daughter. Yeah.


Yeah, he's reaching out for his daughter. Yeah. And his daughter's hands had just been cut off and he's reaching out to her with his hands already removed. And so no one has hands and he's reaching out to his daughters who just lost her two hands, like some of the most evil stuff you could ever imagine. Like, I don't mean to say this bad about the brand, Jamieson, but but they even had one of the sons go out to the Congo and he paid one of the tribes, Jamison Whiskey, one of the sons of the Jamison family.


He his last name was James. And he sent out a tribe to go cannibalize the Pygmies so that he could do it for artwork. So he sat by while they were cannibalizing a pygmy and he painted the atrocities happening to this person. So he, like, paid for it and it was his viewing. My pleasure. And then he painted it out, so when most people think fucking shameless, no, listen, this is a kick that I know we say fucking, but this is what.


The people, though, especially in the 1990s, the Gilded Age did the experiment, another human being too inferior to the. Well, on that, in 1992 to 1996, people ask, how do they still suffer these kind of atrocities or yet still slavery, black people, slave masters?


Well, so in in in the Bronx Zoo, 1992 and 1996, actually, the 1992 human to human, they thought it was a beautiful pygmy named OTA Benga from the area.


And they put them in the St. Louis World Fair from 1969 to a 1984 to 1986. Here he was in the Bronx Zoo and they fed them bananas in the monkey house. So we literally lived with the monkeys right there. Yeah. And so just brutal. But what we're trying to do, even Cris Cyborg that was on the show, she helped us drill our first two water wells in Uganda for the pygmy people there, the Batwa pygmies.


Had this been what what the history of the pygmy people. So they the first pygmy what year were the anthropologists think they go back tens of thousands of years of the first people, group of even Africa or at least the first people group of Congo. So they're the original citizens, the first citizens. And so similarly to how with Native Americans here, there's been land given to them for reservations. It was taken from them, right? It was all taken from them.


And then they have been given land back that they can use and cultivate and and that they own. And it's the strongest thing in courts like this is Cherokee land or this is that will now we have 3000 acres of Mabuchi pygmy land in Congo and we have five acres started in Uganda. But we're looking at right now because, of course, Cyborg and then also Dustin Poret. Dustin Puri's helped design a big fundraiser in his last fight in Abu Dhabi against Capybara Magomedov, and they auctioned off the gear for Fight for the Forgotten and the Good Fight Foundation, Dustin Puri's organization.


And they raised more than they thought. We set a goal at 25000. We raised we blew past 50 then could be donated his shirt for 100000. Dana White matched it for another 100000. So I think it raised like 280000 dollars somehow. Oh, man. Now we're going to be able to draw seven water wells and we're going to be able to get back up to, well, 30 acres of land is what we're shooting for.


But we're even aiming at maybe 100 acres of land there to try to get back. But we have enough funding for 30 acres of land. So that way they can start up their own farm because this is what was brutal. They were kicked out of the Maliki National Forest in Uganda by the Ugandan Wildlife Authority, and they have reasons to do that, to protect the forest that was being cut down, to protect the animals that are being poached. But the pygmies aren't poachers.


They only take what they need. And then from there, they were put on one acre of land behind through over 300 people given here's your one acre plot of land behind these slums. And then they're throwing out the the sewage and the sewage comes through their village and they have eight shelters for over 300 people. And so Chris and I were walking around and we. We're walking over these mounds, and Cris Cyborg stopped and said, what are these mounds?


And she pointed down and people, yeah, they live on top of their grave, their graveyard. And so they've only been given one acre of land. They've dwindled down from over 300 people to only 151 people in that area. And the chief was literally talking. Zito is his name in the Zito Zito. He was saying, hey, if we don't get land soon and have clean water and be able to farm for ourselves, we've always hunted and gathered.


We can't do that anymore. We've got to be able to farm for ourselves. If we can't do that soon, our people group is going to exist anymore here.


That's crazy. Thinking my way. People no longer exist. You know, isn't that wild? He literally drew in the dirt is his dream and his big audacious dream was land, water, food. And we're like, man, what we've done that in the past, we can do that here. All we need to do is have a rally, rally, support.


And so what were some bums do to be? What will some people do in other countries to be yet the homeless bum in America? Hmm. They would give their life. Be home with the bomb in America, can you imagine? Yeah, I've said this before, like women are walking. Miles and miles a day, children can't go to school because they're walking with 40 liters or 20 liters, which is five gallons, but a lot of times they carry two at a time.


Two of those buckets, 20 leaders is five gallons. Five gallons is 44 pounds. When? When four. So they're workin day in and day out, two or three times a day with 44 pounds or 88 pounds of white people come and rob them the water and abuse them and stuff. It happens.


But normally, normally not because, oh, where we go and where we drill, we always drill wells for both sides, both tribes or everyone in the area. So it's communal. So this way it's not property of one person.


They have good food before those people.


Yeah, well, a lot of times whenever they're able to hunt and gather in Congo like we've Fatburger, they.


Oh no, not that.


But I'm telling you, some wild bushmeat, whether it's wild hog or antelope or monkey of a monkey before, but fresh bananas and fresh sweet potatoes from the ground. And that's pretty good. Goat. Goat, I think is a sweet motive. It's really the goat meat that the Jamaican people local. Yeah, absolutely. Oh, my friend. The Jamaican will eat that shit.


Yeah, it's sweet. It's a sweet meat. I like it a lot whenever it's grilled. So. Yeah.


So that's that's kind of our overarching vision as a nonprofit is to defeat hate with love. And our mission is to knock out bullying worldwide. And we do that in two areas or two initiatives which are for the pygmy people who anthropologists, they are the most oppressed people group on planet Earth. Another way you could say that is the most bullied. And then here stateside, we have a bully prevention and character development initiative. So it's community development for the pygmy people and it's character development here stateside in martial arts academies.


We want to be in boxing gyms. We want to be potentially in public private online schools with a curriculum for kids that basically says, well, the name of it is heroes in waiting. And what that means, the premise is a hero isn't someone with supernatural powers, superhuman strength. It's someone who simply sees a need and takes action. They don't sit back and wait whenever bullying is happening. Here's a great statistic. Our kids need to know.


Where anybody needs to know is 87 percent of the time you stand up and say something. One thing as easy as having if you're bullying Mike, I just say, hey, that's not kind of saying something as simple as that. Hey, that's not kind 87 percent of the time. It shuts it down within five to ten seconds. And so recognizing when you're being a bystander and knowing that if you are a bystander, like with Raiden, what happened?


He was beat up in the bathroom standing by the urinal. And he's a kid with special needs. He's twelve years old. He's got autism. I did up. They shouldn't have. This has been happening for four years since since he was a little guy. Tribespeople. No, no, this is actually here. His name is Radim and it happened in Oklahoma. And so kind of shifting to that or state side initiative, Raiden was in the bathroom at the urinal.


Ten or twelve people are in the bathroom. Four or five people are filming it. And he just gets pummeled right by the urinal by this other kid. That's a big kid the next day. Yeah, let's pull that up.


Somehow this poor kid could be the man of. Well, there's there's a there's a good story that comes from it so might be able to show you. The Good Stuff. But yeah, so it's. It's something that's on our heart is how do we empower kids to recognize when you're being a bystander because. The tough thing is that if they're not educated or equipped with the right tools to say something, they won't or they'll think that they'll wrongly think they're being they're just innocent.


There are innocent bystander whenever really, if you're standing by and watching or even if you're ignoring it, you're not an innocent bystander. You're a silent supporter. You didn't choose it. It chose you. But now you're presented with a choice. Am I going to do something or am I going to do nothing? And if I choose to do nothing, that is doing something that's being a silent supporter. And so you have to say something, whether it's your kid, you report it, you know, to the proper school authority.


But I mean, you can also speak up and use your voice. And that's the most powerful thing against bullying, saying, hey, that's like kind hey, stop that. Where hey, instead of the person being excluded, being included, where you invite them over and your group or sit at your table, you go sit with them when they're all alone. And so in that's being a hero in waiting, you know, or hero in action is not sitting by and do nothing.


Are you ready? There's this kid, Raiden. Oh, yes, I see your face. That part's over now.


Oh, this is this is Thursday night and this is Raiden 12, born with autism or or deafness right here. Has a hearing aid is diabetic, been bullied since he was nine. This is on the yard the very next day. So Thursday was in the bathroom. This is vital.


And three kids on him at once. And yeah, they found him with with a Sharpie mark on his arm because of the bullying he's wrote on his arm, like, I want to kill myself. And so we live in the same hometown in Oklahoma City, and they've they asked us to get involved and to see them, but it's been kind of cool.


Have you ever heard of Rafael AVADO Jr.? Know, so he is the current Delatour champion. He's right there on the left. And so this was a few nights later, Raiden got to hold Rafael's current Delatour championship. He's the middleweight champion, Vijay Guard USAC. That's one of my Trena partners and coaches. He's the best American or at least the most accomplished American to do jujitsu. He's got numerous world medals. I think six of them are gold medals in jujitsu.


And then and then he's the current in the ME world champion. So that's his little brother Brock on the right, Raytheon's twelve. His little brother's nine reins. A big kid. I mean, that's I'm six to six three. Two fifty. Rafael's the 185 world champion and Raiden is twelve years old. He's a big get, but he's a sweetheart. If you go back or next, actually if you keep going, I'll be able to show you that's that's actually the next night.


So Tuesday his school was canceled. This is Wednesday night. Tuesday his school was canceled because of death threats at the school.


Because all this went so crazy, people were cyber bullying. Raiden and his family are not just him, but the bullies. People started posting the address of the 12 and 13 year olds online saying, go get them. And so his dad asked Raiden if he was going to go to church the next night and goes, No, Dad, what are the kids from school going to say? School was canceled because of me. I've been bullied and beat up.


I can't go back to even church. And I go, what if I go with you? But and he looks at his dad, can I and and his dad goes, Yeah. And he looks at me and says, can I wear a shirt like you?


I'm like, Yeah, buddy. So we went to his church and like 300 kids heard he was coming out. They all came to support him. I got to speak for like five, ten minutes. Sure. My bullying story share about how we can rally around Raiden. And he got a standing ovation from 300 kids at a school. And afterwards we're leaving. And some of the girls asked him, hey, Raiden, how are you? He goes, I'm OK.


And they go, are you coming back next week? And he's like, Yeah, I'll come back. And after that, he was dead. You see that? And he goes, Yeah.


And we sit in the car at a rate and what's what was your favorite part. But and he goes, well, everyone cheering for me, that made me want to cry. But the girls, definitely the girls. That was my favorite part.


And so we're just trying to rally support around them where, you know, he was sitting there depressed. His grandpa named Butch, that's his dad, Danny. But Butch was old bull rider. And he says it's made his heart want to fall out of his chest. That at nine years old, was the first time his grandson talked about wanting to kill himself because he's been bullied for for most of his life. So we're just trying to put love and compassion in action and have a bunch of people rally support around him.


I mean, people are posting about Raiden from the Pittsburgh Steelers, all post a video for him, the L.A. Chargers, Rafael AVADO, Junior Baker Mayfield. Mick Foley is their favorite WWE wrestler. He has a son that's autistic. He made a video for it and sent it out. And a lot of really cool stuff has happened. It's amazing. Hey, it's one of the hot spots and producers and we're going to take a quick break for Ben online.


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He was actually diagnosed with a concussion and a concussion. I was thrown of that room. So they said that hyperbaric saw one of the best things for them would give them a concussion from one of those fights. Yeah. So I was helping get them, getting them down. He had never done it before. And I'm one of those guys that thinks everything happens for a reason.


And so I just the hyperbaric side. You're one of those guys. No accident, no accidents. So I had just started going two or three times and then the doctor said hyperbaric would be great for him. And I was like, I have an appointment today and we can get him a prescription. I'll take him with me. And so I was able to help him. He hasn't been in a plane before, so we brought him down and been just trying to rally support around him.


There he is with someone's sunglasses. No Eskimo Joe's. You know about that in Oklahoma? Yeah, he's a big Oklahoma fan.


He wants to be loved. Yeah, I love people. Oh, my God.


So that's our mission, man, is to defeat hate with love. And how can we do that in the most practical, tangible way, whether that's for the most Bulle people group or whether that's here for kids that are being bullied stateside. Because what's nuts about just in the U.S., the number two cause of death Thursday, 10 to 14. Bullying. Yeah, suicide, teen addiction, teen depression, teen isolation. Teen like. Self like.


What's that? Mutilation. It's education and all that stuff. It's through the roof higher than ever before. Yeah, exactly.


I wanted to say that I will say, like, you know, that's why we have so many help groups and we got the URL knighting Nightingale and all these guys, the, the Justin Perry and all these guys. This used to goo goo, goo goo and those guys because people need, the people need and the people need help. Yeah, people need to find something bigger than outside themselves and inside themselves to help them live another day because we're looking for a lot of happiness and solve all our problems out here and now the world and all the problems, all of them have to be done inside of the inside job.


You know, when it's out here, just in here is normally over. And the objective to keep the outer world from the stove in the world. You know, I like that a lot, that it's an inside job. Oh, big time.


And there's so many, I think, especially with social media and cyber bullying. Right. Like whenever we were being bullied growing up, like you can escape it when school was over. It's going now increases.


And I think comparison with that quote, it's like Teddy Roosevelt or something like that says comparison is the thief of joy. Yeah. And like all these kids on social media, they're just comparing up right to everyone else's highlight reel, even if it's a fabricated highlight reel.


And so do you think that's the why there's so much bullying now? I think that's one of the main reasons. Social media. Yeah. Or at least that's one of the most active ways to do it, because you can be anonymous or even if it's not anonymous and you're truly doing it with your identity, you are almost numb to the real effects because it's not a person to person, face to face interaction. So you can hide behind your your there's a buffer there behind your your smartphone.


Yeah. Or whatever. And so 180000 kids, 180000 in the U.S. alone skipped school every day because of bullying. I skipped school.


I skipped school big time, three million school days lost a month. Twelve million American students will be bullied this year alone.


This is what I do. I get to school. I will go to school for breakfast. When breakfast is over, I will leave the school and wait outside the school at the lunch time. I'll go. I'll go eat lunch. Boom, lunch time. I will wait at school and the school is over. I'll go get my book and I go back home. Wow. I'm never going to school. They will kick my ass and I have to get the food.


Once I got the food, I got the food and I left the area before the class came in. So I mean the, the lunch menu items, the food people to see me in the lunchroom, they were going to come attack. But take my then they beat you away for everybody. No one does anything about you and it's like that. But they do it right in front of the cafeteria, teach you the God, the beaten path, you know.


See, I always make sure I got the food out before they class came down. Well, yeah, I would.


After that butling moment where I was dressed up like the Dr. Pepper Transformer, I literally ran away from that party my parents had. Finally at Dairy Queen, afterwards, I had ripped it all off, thrown it into the dumpster, I had like the duct tape residue still on my shirt and jeans and stuff like that. I was sitting there crying, just sobbing. I skipped school until I think I was on the weekend. I think it was Thursday or Friday when my parents finally sent me back.


But there's a thing called the diffusion of responsibility, I think is what it's called in psychology. Where when there's a group, people take on less personal responsibility to do something about it because there's a group and someone else could do something. And what we need to know is like have that primed in our mind that even though there's other people that could do something, I'm going to do something whenever I see bullying taking place. Is it human nature? Boy.


Do you think it was absolutely animals do it and you do it, you know, certain animals, they believe their brothers and sisters and stuff, and then as they get older, they love each other and fight to the death for each other. Someone has to come. I have to determine who's the boss and that find a way and that development of who they are like am I have to develop. I'm the boss. He's the boss. It's just no way.


Just that I was always from animal brothers and some animals. I think it's the hyenas. They fight in the womb. They have to have seven babies. One or two might come out of the fighting. They fight in the womb.


They'll kill each other before they get out. Yeah, well, I think that's probably where the big challenge comes from.


Right, like. Battling that nature versus us being civilized human beings now and needing to to shift in a way that, OK, we know that this now through science and through studying it, we know that this has long lasting detrimental effects.


But is fear based? Yeah, absolutely. There's all fear based, even with the animals as all of them are going to get out of. I'm going to kill. I'm going I got to get out of here. Yeah. It's all fear based. Every fear based. If everything is cool it out. This is my brother. I love him. He loves me. And we're going to get out. We both know the outcome is pushing out.


OK, it's OK. But they came back and let's don't ration, you know, have no rationalization. They can't do that stuff.


Well, there's that. And then there's also a trickle down happening, isn't there, from parents, from their parents? Yeah, no doubt about it. What I had to tell Raiden, because he couldn't really understand how he was treated so badly by a group of people, like the thing that happened in the bathroom, even though it was on school property, that one affected him less than whenever there was these two guys beating them up and this girl hit him from behind and then everyone filming it.


And I had to tell him, you know, buddy, we have this thing we do. We fist pound and then we say buddies. And we do like two pounds on our chest, just a fist pump buddies. And I said, well, you know, buddy, sometimes this is what I've learned through my bowling moments. Is that hurt people? Hurt people? Mm hmm.


And there's some things that are going on and I won't say who, but one of the people from that video, if you look into their background like someone in their family, very close to them. One of their parents were murdered by their other parent. And so they're in a very tough life circumstance of their own, and they should have probably been removed from school the year before. But because of that tragic instance in their life, they've kind of been given a little bit of some free passes, a bit maybe.


And and then they're struggling. They're hurting. And so they act out by hurting others. And if you look into the statistics from the CDC, number three on the suicide list for like bullying moments, the third at risk is the bully. The second is actually the victim. You know, like, well, who would be number one? Who actually number one, at highest risk of suicide is the person who does both. They're being bullied and then they're not happy with themselves.


So they act out by being a bully to others. So that person is the highest at risk of suicide, the person that is being bullied and then they become a bully because they're not happy on either side. And so they're at this constant internal struggle with who they are.


They don't talk about this guy. What about the guy that killed the bully? Hmm. That guy to the guy that killed the bully, and sometimes I throw him one time on television. It was this guy, he was beating up the guy and I forgot his name and even took him, took sexual revenge of some of the girls in the group and them and they made a plan one day they were going to get them. And so the guy had made a plan for us to go out again.


And they call the guy to come in and they killed the. There's 11 hours on a 20 before I thought. So it's not always the thrill of the gamble. Sometimes people fight back and then they spend the rest of their life in jail from being bullied, from defending. If they went to extreme, they didn't go to the cops. They didn't go to their parents. They put in their own hand. That was a smart idea. And they killed the guy.


Well, I think that's one of the big struggles with school shootings. If you look at school shootings, you'll see 75 percent of time or more. They were relentlessly bullied at school and this was not given the attention as well. They haven't been given the things they believe they deserved because they've been good and nice to those people and they haven't seen the same in return, you know. So, Justin, from that. Perspective, how are you building the character of this next generation?


Well, that's what we're really excited about. We worked with Century Martial Arts and they are the number one distributor of martial arts goods in the world. So if you buy anything at Dick's or Academy, they've made most of it and they supply most of the martial arts academies around the country.


And one thing that I think boxing, wrestling, jujitsu does that maybe maybe football, football develops character for sure, without a doubt.


But I think the coaching in martial arts, like there's lessons before, during and after practice about character, about discipline, about respect, about treating others like you want to be treated. Even the Blackbelt journey is about service to others. And so I love that about martial arts. And so we worked with Century Martial Arts and another organization called MIAH, the Martial Arts Industry Association, and they've helped us develop this curriculum. That's 12 weeks of teaching and then every class they have a match at.


So a mat discussion. And so there's a teaching and then there's also a challenge. There's a hero's challenge after every heroes and leading lesson. And so they'll be like this week and it's all digital, too, so they can watch it on their smartphone. Going into practice, we coach the coaches how to coach it.


Then there's a video for the parents. There's a video for the students that are learning so the parents can be engaged with what their child is learning and the student can know what they're learning that week and what their hero challenges. And so what I love about that is they come in week one, recognize when you're being a bystander and so recognize that, come back and report it. Another hero challenge will be go out and complete a secret random act of kindness.


So the rule is you have to be completely anonymous and you have to go do something great that make someone feel awesome. And what was that journalist, you know, what did you do? How do you stay anonymous? How that make them feel? How that make you feel? And then how are you going to build on to that next week? And so it's all all digital, but there's also a curriculum that's all typed out. And so we're arming or right now 104 martial arts academies are using it around the country.


And now we're just trying to fundraise that way. We can get it up to school standards and get it into public, private and online schools, get it accredited. And so that's what we're working with our board now. That's awesome. I guess outside of that. How do we cultivate kindness and goodness in young people? I think, though, that it's not just like, OK, you're in a situation and the kids being bullied are, you know, bystanders, this is what they do.


They know how to do it. Get programs, kids and kids, to join the program, the programs to teach everybody the golden rule. You know, but but the government always pulling these programs out. The more programs I think of, the better for the children, maybe less to be less killing it to be more programs, more conglomerate's, more people being friends, more people meeting each other. And that's what is so many people disenfranchised with each other.


They are so far away from each other, they can't be together. And they look and they want to mind the reaching for each other, also disenfranchised. And that's what the program to do. Well, I love this. There's a you just triggered a Swahili proverb in my mind, my memory.


The Pygmies taught me this. It says, if you want to go fast, go alone.


Hmm. But if you want to go far, go together. Hmm. And so we need these programs.


We need everyone to come together. And then what I've learned there from living there for years, the community, it's so important and we're so used to isolating or being individuals that we'll do things on our own. And in the rainforest, you don't have privacy. Your home is literally twigs and leaves. Your wall are leaves. And so you can hear the discussions between people all across the village. There isn't any private conversations and that can be a bad thing.


But it's also a good thing that you aren't able to isolate and completely cut yourself off from from the community. And so you need each other. But I also think it's really important for each individual to learn their personal impact. You can impress people from a stage or from maybe on a podcast, but you impact people one on one in conversation or up close. And so what I mean by that is we could teach these kids, whether it's in a program or whether it's in a conversation with them, that no act of kindness.


No act of kindness, no matter how small, ever goes wasted, right, and so start small. Yeah, I've gotten to start this organization, fight for the forgotten though it's going to be what I do for the rest of my life. But I started with that, quote, no act of kindness, no matter how small, ever goes wasted. And so one thing I like to ask people is in the lives of others. If you knew you could if you knew you could in the lives of others, what great difference would you make if you only knew you could?


So it's that whole that whole quote, you know, what would you do if you knew you wouldn't fail? What would you do if you knew you wouldn't fail? And so take all the fear of failure away. Well, now, what difference would you make in the lives of others if you didn't have fear that you wouldn't be able to do it? And so what impact do you want to make? How do you want to influence people? How do you want to change their lives?


And and so do that. No act of kindness, no matter how small, ever goes wasted, start small, start somewhere and just have your head on a swivel looking to make a difference wherever it is you can. I love that. I always tell my son. I've told my kids that somewhere I don't care where. You never think, why am I here? I think when you get in the situation, how can I make this a better place?


Well. I can make these people better what they do. And I know that sounds like a lot of fun if I care what they do, but imagine your brain working to make this place better and make these people better than they could ever be in their life. And no one could do it but you could. That door came to your mind to make this better. It's perfect, but you can make this better, and that's your job to make this better.


I love that.


You know, it's really cool is that's even a principle now that I think can even be applied to businesses.


I was recently at both Lowe's and Charlotte, North Carolina, and Home Depot in Atlanta, Georgia. And both of them talked about something really similar, which kind of blew me away. But there's a new statistic out there that says I think it's 84, 84 percent of consumers are now classified as consumers who care. What that means is they're looking to buy a product or a service that's attached to a purpose and it's cause minded, community driven, that it's making the world a better place.


And so if businesses can even align with that, if us people can align with that, like, you'll just make the world a better place. And so it's been really cool to see some of these businesses step up and say, like, this is how we're going to give like we've got one guy that gives 10 percent of his company back to us. So another person that gives a certain dollar amount per product sold and that's been nuts to see their sales increase from being purpose driven or attached to it.


Cause I love the our purpose here. That's that purpose. I always wanted to know the human purpose here is to enrich the world. Yeah, someone's going to come away one day and they're going to say. I can make a slip for an extra hundred years, he's going to enrich the world now knows that's enriching the world, but that would be a form of enriching the world. Absolutely. Whatever it is, what we're we doing right now, the form of a in the world in the way.


Now, see, now we have this you know how many million the 100 million people know that he does this now from. After much in the world, he touched millions of people, not his idea what he's doing. Even people in the Congo know now. I didn't know. Yeah, you know, which in the world what is love and caring for humanity, you know? Powerful stuff, man. I think that's so important to remember, you know, is no act of kindness, no matter how small goes.


You know, so to say this, but it's the. You know, you think the universe allowed us to be born and maybe we didn't want to be born and now we're born and now we got worryin freak out about dying.


You know, yeah, he put it here, we didn't ask to be here and now we're freaking out about it. Why do you do that? Why are you got me freaking out?


What's that saying, though? The most important day of your life isn't the day that you were born, but they found out why. Yeah, something like that. They discovered why. And I found out it's the world. Yeah. No, there's no doubt. There's no doubt in my story. I love that. That's easy to say. Easy to live by. No, this is what I found that to human beings. Animals. Yeah. The fucking human beings won't sit.


Won't accept. Won't accept. They won't accept the answer unless it's complicated. If the answer is they won't believe it. They say bullshit. You know, I mean, even our reality is in our mouth, you know, I know this will sound probably pretty cheesy, but I need easy, simple things for me to remember. Exactly. That's why our vision statements defeat hate with love. It's pretty easy to hate with love, knock bullying worldwide, defend the weak, love the unloved, empower the voiceless, like those kind of things.


But whenever I sign my book, I got to write a book called Fight for the Forgotten. And whenever I sign it, it was a reminder to me. But I hope it would kind of be an awakening or a moment where if someone actually. What does this mean? That they would think about it and discover it, that it's almost too simple to live by. Yeah, but it's I would sign it live to love, love to live.


And it was because I whenever I was going through that, being that depressed, drunk drug addict and hitchhiking from a drug house to drug house and fighting on TV and get my hand raised and thinking, is this it? Is this all like not having that sense of fulfillment after a victory? With that, I thought, well, yeah, there no doubt about it. And if in fact, the self the cat in the hat. He's Friedrich Nietzsche in simple form.


You know. You try to effect dignity, you won't understand one fucking word when it comes out your mouth. Nobody will understand one word. What did he say? You understand everything, the cat in the hat that Friedrich Nietzsche, you everything, the world right there by my wife's been literally telling me I have to read the cat and I definitely haven't read them death at all. That's the world history of the world.


Cat in the Hat. Well, that's it, though, if you think about just those two things. Live to love, love to live. We're all wanting to love this one life that we live and so we get caught in.


What's that called, like materialism? Yeah, we get caught in all this because we just the new iPhone will make me happy. This new car will make me happy.


This bigger home will make me happy for a moment, for a moment. But the thing is, is that if we change things up, if we live to love first, I think we'll love to live in the past.


No, let's go. All this us to go on the new phones or the new clothes, the blunt, everything, the fancy. Everything has to go this way at the end of the day with just with skeleton smiling at the end of the day, all of the skeletons with a big smile on their face. And the day we just passing through. Yeah, you know, I mean, have we gone on a ride? You know, we're going to exist somewhere else, but not here in the world.


That's when we go and we die. That's when we're going to begin to live. You know, that's we're going to start. Can you imagine dining and can you imagine dining and waking up and being somewhere else? That's wild. You have that experience and all this. Can you imagine when I live in them when I was somewhere else? I don't know where we're there.


Someone told me once that and this might be a common quote, but I forget I'm trying to think who told me it, but they said we're not human beings on a spiritual journey. We're spiritual beings on a human chain.


Yes. That's what I was talking to my wife the other day watching. I think he plays baseball. And so we're sitting down in the rafters. And so the anthem there and it's getting wintertime. So they're ready to hibernate now, but they'll all during spring and summer, they were there preparing. Right. And I'm telling my wife that story. And I'm going. I'm going. And I say, baby sitting there doing all this under the myth of us watching them establish their companies more than we could ever do in our lifetime within a season and being questioned.


Somebody is right. And I think that baby, listen to this. You see how we're watching them who watch to have. You don't think somebody is watching us? And perspective, definitely the. And wanted to do and have them look at this very small, like we look at them and one of their species about the very small, that the ants look at them and said they're too small even to fucking eat, you know?


And do they have somebody smaller than them that they say that even if they're just amazing to look at, we look at the bugs we make is killing for sport. You know, how many how many, how many layers of debt, the smallest, the smallest, the smallest microscopic. I mean, they do that go. Where does it start for a month? Where does it go to the clouds? Is the universe? Is the solar system? Where does it start when they're looking at us and we're microscopic?


You're blowing my mind well, we can't think with we can't think listen, we don't like us well enough to think we don't own the strongest beans in the universe. We don't love ourselves enough to really believe we're the only ones that you just you just pulled another Swahili proverb out of my memory about not believing in ourselves enough. There's a Swahili proverb. And this this means more to me because I've had malaria now three times. And and a bigger beast of an opponent that I've ever fought was a was a one gram or less than a mosquito.


Right. That almost took me out amongst laid me up permanently. But it says if you think you're too small to make a difference, try to sleep in a closed room with a mosquito. Hmm.


And so if there was one mosquito in this room with us right here, make a difference.


Get my wife to forget this motherfucker out of here. I'm just about to get him out of here.


A bug. He doesn't eat too much. He doesn't eat much at all. He's going to die holding on you, eating off you. And I do that, too.


And so if that one bug can make that big of a difference in our lives, how much more of a difference can we make in the lives of others? Exactly. Exactly. Many people don't think that they have any power, you know, hey, that's the power right there. That should let them know they have power, because that's the power to show them that nothing, because they're being nothing more than that power to tell you something, you you'll be something you.


Yeah. Absolutely no, what you told me, whatever you think, right or wrong, you're good at bad, you're right. Yeah, because you thought that. That's right. And that feeling of. Powerlessness. I think when kids are bullied growing up, those affects, those feelings, those beliefs of being powerless can last a lifetime. Yeah, if you let it. Yeah, if someone doesn't come along and show you. Yeah. Or you have some some moment of self discovery that lets you know that you do have power, you know, bully.


No, I believe people understand the real damage to bully, to bully bullies. Bullies make monsters. You have the biggest and they do the little scared people turn into monsters. A bully couldn't even fathom the fear that that guy could imagine. That's the real. Do you remember one significant bullying moment in your life? Hey, buddy, I'm not cool enough to see the guys. Believe me like that to this day. I might attack right now. I'm 52 years old, I might attack right now.


They didn't the movie.


I saw some of the bullies from that party, some at a sushi restaurant, after I got off the Ultimate Fighter TV show, I was visiting my hometown in Fort Worth, Texas, and the sushi place and it was crazy was almost that that group of kids that set it all up, that preplanned it, that methodically created an invitation that said costume party on it, knowing that it wasn't a costume party. It was just for me. And so there's a table of eight, eight or 10 of them.


In the the main kind of ringleader of that group that had set up numerous polling moments for me the years before he saw me said, oh, why don't you come over, have a drink with us? I was like, no, that's OK. And he pointed over at the the table. I was like, no, that's OK. And and I went to the restroom and actually sorry before I went to the restroom, he pulled me over to the table.


It was all of them sitting down and they kind of went around the table and it was all something similar to this effect. But the guy that was the ringleader looked at me, brought me over there to the table, stopped by just for a second. He said, hey, here's so-and-so, so-and-so, so-and-so. You remember them? I'm like, Yeah, I remember them. And he goes, Hey, man, you know, we were just kids back then.


If we knew you were going to be a fighter and you could have beat us all up, we would have never done that to you. And I think he was trying to say sorry.


But what I got from that was if if he would have known that I could help them, he wouldn't have done those terrible things to me. That's how I received it was, oh, if you knew there was a consequence, you wouldn't have done that. And so I remember from there I went to the bathroom, said, oh, give me a minute, went to the bathroom, and just like when I ran away from that party after that moment, I, like, slipped out.


I didn't slip out the back, but I found a way around and the restaurant where they didn't see me leaving and so I couldn't even face them. Then I meant that I can't handle them. Yeah. Well. I'm too insecure, I would be violent. You know, it's too insecure, it's too insecure. One of the one of the reasons I'm in town, I'm going on Joe Rogan's podcast, I'm on with you guys. I'm so incredibly grateful, it looks like and there's going to be some really cool stuff lining up for him, maybe with the Chargers, maybe with the talk to the TV show.


There's a CBS show called SEAL Team that might give studio tours, take them on walks, hike with them. Yeah, go to the beach, make them feel this himself. His first time on a airplane will be coming out here and take him to the beach for the first time, which is going to be great. But actually, Mike, there's this incredible doctor in Costa Mesa whose name is Dr. Daniel Aimen, and he did Muhammad Ali's brain looked at it on scans.


He's done tons of NFL players, like over 300, I think, and he can detect mild traumatic brain injury, all this different stuff. And he said for a fighter, I have a really good brain. He had to do I do three full days with him, his chief medical director, his functional medicine doctor. But they did cheek swabs, hair, hair samples, blood, urine, stool samples. He did the works on me, trying to figure out what parasite I have in me because I've had cerebral malaria, which is the parasite the is in the liver.


But it's gone into my head about the intestinal bacteria as amoebas amoebas up here, too. So they're doing the work on me, checking me out, he says. But they literally can scan your brain and see where the blood flow is, where it's where there's too much activity, where there's not enough activity and where it's functioning properly. But then they can detect on these scans. It's called a SPECT scan and they can show you this 3D image of your brain.


And it's almost like an MRI, but way different. It shows the function of your brain, not just the biology of your brain, and it can actually show you your emotional brain and where it's firing. And so they can see eight different types of brains that are 8D. I have severe ADT. They can detect mild traumatic brain injury, like then TBI regular. They can detect all this different stuff. But for me, they're able to detect PTSD.


And so the way your brain supposed to be lit up is supposed to be just a little bit of red. One spot that might have white when my brain was all over the place, lit up everywhere and there's a certain diamond in it. They show you what part of the brain connects to and everything else on the underside and then the frontal, all these different parts of the brain. But they showed me that I had a diamond of fire. And they say if you have this ring of fire, that means 100 percent.


You have PTSD. You're supposed to have just one little red speck there. You've got it lit up and you have it in a circle there in a diamond like me. And you have as much PTSD as military veterans that come in here and are really struggling with it. And I've had some terrible stuff happen growing up as a kid. But then even over in the Congo and in Uganda from rebel group interactions and being held at gunpoint or rebels attacked in a village next to us or taken women to the hospital after they've been tied to a tree and raped by numerous men.


And just like some really, really tough stuff, seeing and digging graves for people and. Different things like that. Not really why I brought up Dr. Heymann, but I know that he's an incredible doctor and he's helping me get a life balance of like a morning routine supplements that help my brain.


There can be medications, too, but that's his last line of defense, is he wants to help create healthy brains because he says if we can help you have a healthy, healthy brain, you'll have a healthy life. And so he's helped a ton of different NFL. Muhammad Ali, a lot of different people. You know, he's helping me and my wife. So very grateful for him.


I wonder what I can do with that. Something you should go see him. He's right here in Costa Mesa. He really is a phenomenal doctor. He's he's he's he's a ten, ten times New York Times best seller. Really two to Ted talks with millions of views. He talks to Google to Success magazine, Forbes. He's not just some doctor. He is like the doctor. He spills name scans.


Aimen Like you're praying. Amum A.M.. And so it's Dr. Daniel Aymen. And he works with NFL players, fighters, all sorts of people. And he's done more brain scans than any human on Earth, like over 200000 different brains. And that's where he's getting all this state of the art technology and able to write his books like How to Heal Your Brain with the Hyperbaric. They're finding that you can literally do brain trauma reversal through hyperbaric. Just about that.


Yeah. This little girl named Eden Carlson, she drowned.


She was gone for two hours. No more like a normal little girl again.


Wow. Yeah. It's amazing, man, Justin, I mean. You you're just you're an angel, dude, I mean, you're doing some incredible work. And I've been on the verge of tears, basically this whole conversation, and I really appreciate everything you're doing. I think it's amazing. Is there anything before we wrap up anything you want to mention, make sure people know about where they can follow you all that? Yeah.


If you if you feel led to do anything with Raiden, go check out the hashtag stand with Rayden. So it's called Stand with Radim. And I bet he would love I text him videos back and forth, his parents videos every day, him and I, and I'll take him to the hyperbaric 20 times myself have had family dinners at his house. His grandma can cook some meatloaf.


Absolutely. She can cooks meatloaf and came with some really.


And then like 30 had been done for 30. But it's just it's really something I had one when I played. Yeah.


He's he's he's getting better sleep than he's ever gotten. He's not up and down in the night anymore. He's able to focus more at school and he feels more positive. He's having less and less of those suicidal thoughts. So it's hashtag stand with Raiden. And then if people want to support fight for the forgotten, probably the easiest and newest way to do that is becoming part of our fight club. And so kind of like Fight Club, the movie.


The first rule is you don't speak about Fight Club or second rule is you don't speak about Fight Club. Our first rule is that you do speak about Fight Club. Let people know that you're part of our monthly giving club and you can give up a latte every month or Starbucks drink and send us five dollars a month. And that helps us know our our budget for the year and the more monthly donors we get and we get to plan out how many wells we get to drill, how many kids you're stateside, we get the help, how much land we can buy throughout the year.


And so that's by becoming part of our fight club. You can get T-shirts there. All that is just fight for the forgotten dog and then you just click on the fight club. Awesome. I think that's pretty cool. Yeah. Hell of a man. Yeah. And thinking my man. Brother. Yeah. Thank you, Justin. I'm so grateful for you guys. This is awesome. It's kind of a dream come true for me meeting you guys.


Thank you.


It's amazing. You have a dream come true to have you in here. Yeah. Fucking we like having guys like you that make a difference in the world. Yeah. You know, and I show. Yeah. Thank you. It's so important right now.


You know, I think there's a big there's a lot of disillusionment with being a human right now, you know, and we're in a crisis of needing connection with, you know, a lot of people don't understand why they don't make themselves.


Hey, why am I not happy? Yeah. Why am I don't make me happy. No, why? And I used to say that, too, and didn't know what I did. I help somebody. And then I got addicted to helping people. Right. People thinking I was special. That was my thing. They gave me the reputation because I was helping them be a good man. If you had the money, Mike, if you had you need needed Mike.


And then I got addicted to that. Yeah, I think I'm a good mother fucker. He's a hell of a motherfucker. He's beautiful. And that's addicting, helping people for stuff like that. That's addicting, too.


Yeah, definitely. Absolutely. You feel that Rush. You never know. You don't know what's wrong. Fucking then you fucking clean somebody, Jordao, and you fucking get a rush. I'm going to do another one. Yeah. Yeah. Now. Yeah. Well I think it goes back to that saying hurt people. Hurt people. Yeah. But love to people. Love. Yeah. Or even maybe helped people in turn help people. So once you are helped you can help someone else.


Exactly. Yeah. And it is about that connection. Community. Yeah. Relationship. Yeah. Because we can have all the stuff in the world but if you don't have people it doesn't have to be a ton of people but s.b meaningful people in their lives. You don't have much meaning without those meaningful relationships.


Mm. It's awesome. That's great stuff man. Thanks Justin. Thanks very much Mike. Great show. Amazing, great spirit to show. This is, this is what we do and the things that come to mind stuff. You know. Good stuff. Yeah. That's awesome. Thank you.


Well everybody, thank you so much for tuning in. Be sure to head to fight for the forgotten dog. You can also stand with Raiden. Through following Justin, the big pygmy on social media, hi Boxun love Levein Hotbox and stands with Raiden without a doubt. I love that. Head to our website, hotbox and podcast dot com. Be sure to subscribe to our YouTube channel until next time I'm in Britain. I'm Mike Tyson and we're out of here.


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