Why do you think we we love fighting so much? I think it's because we're good at it. We want some of it. Yeah, yeah. It be something we want something from a give of status to begin of time. The strongest man in the world, Achilles Insecurely. Everybody wanted to be the toughest man in the world. Can't give it up. Here we go, huh? What's up, everybody?

Welcome to another episode of Hotbox and I am EBR in Britain.

And I'm Mike Tyson, both in the house. Mike, we got a great guest. A legend. Yes, the champion from the beginning. One of the. Oh, jeez, Ken Shamrock.

Well, thank you very much, man. Hey, listen, I'm honored to be sitting at the table here. Did you start the Lion's Den? I did. Or wow.

Tickets to that. Yeah, it's I remember when I was going over to Japan, they hadn't started it here. The bareknuckle, no rules.

It hadn't started. So when I went over and actually saw this this videotape of what these guys were doing, because one of my students had actually showed it to me and said, hey, look what these guys are doing over there.

And I was looking at I was going, wow. I mean, they're literally punching like open hand strikes and then they're kicking and knee. And then when they went to the ground, they were like doing all these, like, leg locks and arm boards. And I was like, what is that? I mean, I never saw anything like that before. You either wore Striker or you were a wrestler. And at that time I was more of a wrestler.

And so I saw this and I don't want to do that. So I got with a friend of mine who was doing pro wrestling. His name was Dean Malenko. Great shooter, great wrestler. So he introduced me to his dad, which had Sammy Sarah Knokke, who was the promoter for Japan in Florida.

And so I flew out there to do a tryout and my tryout consisted of fighting for different guys in the gym.

They went from Japan. They were American guys that were already going over there. And where I came from, I came from group home in the streets and kind of grew up rough. And so for me, fighting was a natural thing for me. So when I went into the gym, I basically did dirty boxing and and wrestled him the ground and just beat the snot out of these guys who were supposedly these trained guys from Japan.

I was like I felt I felt pretty good, like, wow, OK. Well, then Sandy calls me up, say, hey, how'd you like to come? Japan and in in, you know, visit our facilities to play.

I said, yeah, sounds good.

So I go down there and I remember when I walked into the dojo, right after I got off the plane, he picked me up a 12 hour flight. He picked me up. They drive me to the dojo and he said, OK, gear up. And I was like, huh? I was like, oh, now he's a yeah guru. So I said, all right. So I put my gear on and I'm standing there warming up.

And these two young boys come in and he says, OK, you go with the, you know, this young boy. And so I go with him and I pretty much dominated it, beat him up. I was about twenty minutes or so. So he put you in the other young boy. OK, go with him. Go. So I go with him and I'm feeling pretty cocky right now. So I get it. I start thumping about my thumb around boom, boom, boom.

And I says, OK, good. Well as I'm sitting there, these other two guys walk in and these two guys that I see now are Masakazu Funaki and Menora Suzuki, the two guys that I saw on the tape fighting. And I was like, that's those dudes there. And I was like, what are they doing here?

Well come to find out, they were going to be there for me. Stanley goes, Hey, you still got more training?

Of course me. I never turned down a fight. I was like, Yeah, I'm good.

So he thorson's twelve hours on the play. Right.

But I mean, I really did handle these guys and I think those guys weren't there to really shoot on me, even though I probably could have been because they were young boys. But I think they were they're just just to kind of warm me up. Those two guys walked in to see whether or not I would go ahead and go with them after I was tired a little bit because this was all a test.

So I was like, yeah, let's go. Well, the first guy comes in, it's Minoru Suzuki. He's probably one hundred and eighty pounds, maybe five nine. So he's a smaller guy. I'm going about 220. Right. And I'm benching six if I'm a strong guy, you know, I got wrestling back. I have boxing a little dirty boxing. I was like, yeah, I'll squash this guy. So we get going and I take him down.

I slam them on top of him. And next thing I know, I wake up.

Oh, like that. I when he's standing above me, Gohei in his hand to me and he's saying something Japanese, I'm like, what happened? So he goes, you see him. He goes, you wanna go Simonas go? Yeah, of course. I mean I think what just happened to me. So I get down, I start running again. The next thing I know, I'm he's got me in his leg and it hurts. But yet I'm fighting like dogs.

He's trying to get out and Sammy's going tap, you know, tap. And I'm looking at what what, what are you saying? Like, remember, nobody knows what tapping is. Nobody understands what that is. No one said, hey, we're playing uncle. They said fight. So I was like, I don't know what that is. I don't know what that means. And he says, if it hurts, especially in training, just tap the mat and he'll he'll let go.

So he tells me after about five minutes, this guy talking on my leg and I'm like trying to fight to get out and I'm not showing any pain. His heart. Right. And he's going if it hurts that I was like, what? So, like, tap the guy beats me up, literally just thrashing me one hundred and eighty pound guy. For twenty twenty five minutes or so after he gets done, he's OK, good, and he says, you ready to go a little bit more?

And of course I said, absolutely I'm not going to quit. I'm not giving up, man. So here comes Funaki now. Kanakis, about six foot six one, about two hundred and five pounds. So he's much bigger non-thinking. Oh, my goodness. This little guy just killed me. I saw three guys fighting and he won. So I said, bring it. So I went after him to the same thing. I just got beat up, just tortured.

And so after it was over, Sam, he goes, OK, you good? And I said, no, we got some more. I got somebody else. And I know and I was beat up, but I just I felt like, man, I wanted to do more because I felt like I let myself down and everybody else down and I just wanted to try to try to prove myself even more. But he said, no, no, no, it's good.

And I said, Are you sure, man? I could do more because I thought, like, I blew it. And he said, No, no, no, I was good, good, good. Well, they sent me home and I get a call like a month later and all the time I think. And I blew it. And these guys don't like me. Well, he calls me back. I said, how would you like to fight?

And I was like, yes, absolutely.

He says, Why don't you come up to Japan for a little while and we'll train you and get you prepared for the fight. And so I flew up six weeks before the fight that we're supposed to have. And I remember training every single day. I spent my whole day in there. It was like a dojo. They fed me. Those guys slept here, but I slept somewhere else. But I end up staying there from six in the morning till six at night.

And I constantly trained every day with the young boys. When I had my fight, I won my first fight. Now the whole thing on that was what Sammy was trying to find out was, which is do you have the heart of a warrior? Do you have the ability to never give up and not quit? That's what they were looking for. And that's how I actually structured my dojo, because it didn't matter how much skill you had, it didn't matter how good you are or how athletic you were, what it mattered to them and to me was whether or not you had the mentality of never giving up and always fighting to be better.

And that's really where I got it from my.

The fighter spirit, the warrior spirit, that's what it's all about. You've talked about that all about, you know, some of these guys don't even look like much. You know, they look really skinny. Guys look, they wear glasses. You know, they never curse them. They get Marema, beat the shit out of you.

Yeah, it doesn't have to do with something with the minor thing with the brain, because some people are almost like if they never talk to introverts and the great fighters, well, it's just like I mean, look at Suzuki when he came in.

I mean, he was I mean, he was a small guy. He's five nine, 180 pounds. He did not look like much. But boy, did I find out different.

When you were in the UFC, there was no weight limit.

No man. All I can remember the year for you might have been fighting a guy 80 pounds heavier, right? Oh, yeah, 100 pounds. Yeah. And over 300 pound dudes in there.

It was awesome, too, because you think about it, I mean, it was literally styling and style.

Did you ever fight than I did. I fought it twice. Yeah. I beat him the first time and then the second time we went to a distance and he had run.

That was the 97 Hatzius but that was the worst fight in U.S. history.

And I was a part of that fight, partly blamed for that fight. Bad, but it was bad. He just I want to fight. No, it wasn't him.

I think it was a little both of us seven. He came in because the first time I fought him, I choked him out quickly.

So the second time he came in, he had the strategy of like, OK, I'm not going to shoot on him.

He's going to stay around the outside and make me attack him. The only problem with that was that before that I had broken my nose in training and I fractured a little rib and I also had a meniscus tear on my knee. So going into that fight, obviously I couldn't back out of the fight and they took away that was the time where they actually came in and said, if you punch, we're going to arrest you like it's illegal. You can't do that.

And just two weeks prior to that, over the border there in Canada, they literally arrested the main event because they told them the same thing and they went ahead and punched. Well, the U.S. came in and said, oh, yeah, well well, we're going to find you guys at our leisure.

So in other words, they were basically saying, we'll warn you a couple times, ten times, and then we'll find you after that. So really what they were doing was saying, go ahead, do it well, abide by the rules, but we'll do it through warnings and things of that nature.

Well, I chose not to do that. I chose not to punch because I had a group home for kids. I was teaching kids, you can accomplish anything you want in life. As long as you stay within the rules. You can push the boundaries a little bit, but stay with the rules. You will be able to accomplish whatever you want in life. Go get it. And then I was asked and put in that situation to where I was told that it was OK to break the rules because even though they were laid down, it was OK to do that because we weren't going to do anything other than fine.

You are not fine. You but warned you several times, even though there will be no fine on the end of it. And I just felt like that in my position and what I was representing at the time with those kids, that I was sending the wrong message to those kids that were young and that they were up and coming and trying to find where they belonged in life and how they were going to live life, that I just didn't want to represent that.

So I chose not to strike. And unfortunately, because I chose that and because of the way the fight was not there, it was Dad's fault either because he had a strategy of not losing, because if I got him on the ground, I'd beat him. So he was hoping that I would come in on him and he would get top position. And because of the different nature of where he was at and where I was at, that's the kind of fight we had.

It was interesting. Yes, very interesting that you guys have met before. You guys are old friends. Yeah, absolutely.

I thought that when you left, I was grateful that they left before, but in Norfolk, Virginia somewhere.

No, you mean the one where he lifted my nuts into my throat?

Oh, no, I'm in the ball. Yeah. And the ref didn't see it. Oh, that we live there in Virginia, right?

Oh, man. Where was that one at Norfolk. No, I don't remember. That was that was that Norfolk. I thought it was. Yeah I remember.

Was that because I'm still trying to find my nuts is tricky one. Yeah. Yeah. I'm here to oyster. Right. Yeah yeah. Yeah.

Sure thing with voice man. What was your beef with him.

There's really no beef there you know.

I mean I'm the kind of guy that just, you know, I get into a fight, I get people, my personality, you know, I have character, I have a certain thing that I follow when a guy at least I would and I think most fighters would. When you hit somebody in the nuts and you know you did, you don't go well, that's the way we used to fight. It was like what it's like now you're saying you did it on purpose and then not have any remorse about it.

Right. Literally just go like, oh, well, that's, you know. Oh, well, it happened. That's the way we used to fight. He should. I've been ready for and I was like, dude, you have so much credibility in this sport, so much people want to argue for because of what he's done in the sport.

And then you have that kind of character where you're like, oh, yeah, that's just the way it is. I did not want to, like, really fight me again. Like I said, dude, that was a low blow. Let's do a rematch. And literally he doesn't want the rematch because in my opinion, he's why he hit me low was because he knew he didn't want to be in the ring with me.

And that was the rivalry, I think that, you know, had a rivalry.

Yes, it was a rivalry. Yeah, no question. And you can't take away anything that guy's done was tremendous.

But, man, just two four four. That's interesting. Yeah. To have that kind of little brass to be able to sit there and accept the fact you need somebody that nuts and that's OK with you, that that that bothers me and bothers me. Yeah, that makes sense, that makes sense. Who is the greatest fighter on foot? I would probably have to say Mascot's Funaki, he helped train me. And so for me to fight him and be my trainer and be able to beat him.

That right there was really when it told me that, you know, OK, I'm getting where I need to be to be a professional fighter. His his his cieling was my floor. And that's a sign of a true teacher, somebody that really wants you to succeed. And so I was able to do that. And so when I fought in the first time and it was it was tough because almost like he was already in my head, like he knew where I was going all the time.

It's also awesome. Talk a little bit about. Where you grew up. And where you come from, because I know that that's really so much of the DNA of your fighting spirit.

Yeah, I was I was born in Georgia, Macon, and I was at Warner Robins Hospital in my biological mother was a go go dancer. And, of course, you know, in those days, stripper, dancer. And we were left home quite a bit. I have two older brothers ones doing life in prison right now. And the other ones, you know, surviving. They went in some bad directions, just as I did as a young kid and fighting all the time, you know, 10 years old.

I had a strong arm robbery, got stabbed behind a store and, you know, in a fight, end up in a hospital with a knife in my arm and.

Ten years old was a ward of the court, became my parents, became the judge in the probation officer, I went through several placements, a very angry, very frustrated, hated the world. Anybody that said anything to me, I would fight them at a drop of a hat and about how big or small they were. I just had no thought of what I was doing. I just wanted to kill something. I wanted to fight somebody. I just want to release that anger and that frustration I had inside of me.

And so I went through several placements and unconsciously I was searching for something better because all these other homes I went to, it just felt like I was a no, I wasn't a person. They weren't like treating me as an individual. They didn't care what my problems were. They just said, hey, do your time, will send you home.

But yet they weren't trying to fix me. Like, they weren't trying. Like, what's that going to do? That's not going to help me. But unconsciously, I didn't know that. I just wanted something better. I'd failed a bunch of them. I ended up in juvenile hall. I remember the pressure of probation just came to me and said, hey, is your last chance. If you fail this placement, you're going to go to California Youth Authority.

And I was like, oh, wow. I mean, I'm ten years old. Right? OK, big deal, right. You're going to give me three squares, three squares with me. All I hang out my friends. Right. That wasn't even a threat. Is there anything of it?

So I ended up going to the Shamrock Boys home after failing all those different placements. I was probably around 13 years old at the time I entered the Shamrock Boys on. My original last name was Kilpatrick. I ended up there and the first thing I noticed was that when Bob Shamrock took in, I was with two other boys that the probation officers brought us up and he sat down and he literally sent the probation officer off with some coffee and some cookies with our cookie that was there.

And he talked to us, I mean, like that never to use. They sent us off and they talked to probation officer. Well, he sat us down into this bar and it had like coke and cookie and ice creams, all this thing in this bar thing. And it was like I mean, we walked into this house. It was a mansion. And I was like, dude, this the wrong house. And I really thought to myself, when I walked into this place, I was, I don't belong here like this.

I can't live here. I'm not wearing a tie at dinner. I'm not going to you know, everything was weird to me. It was like, what's the catch? And so when I got there, I was really defensive. And in my mind, I felt like I was going to run away, steal everything as much as I could, and I would run away, sell it. And you know how how as young people think that we can make the money last.

So I was thinking about all these other things that I could steal and run away, but something just kept me there and it was just my thought.

It was more curiosity. What's the deal now?

Remember, as I stayed there longer and longer, the things that were happening were I remember there was this kid who was a great artist.

He went to school and he was more introvert, like I was outward. I want to beat people up. Everything you knew you could see. Well, some of them were like smoking weed. They were into drugs or they were into rapping or singing. There were more inward. Right. And they would let it out through art or whatever else, singing or whatever else. Right. Well, me, it was through violence.

And so there was this kid like he goes to school and he's going to continuation school and he draws his picture in school where he was like killing all these people who stand on top of the bodies and literally there's blood everywhere. And it said, kill them all. And so the teachers freaked out, oh, my goodness, this kid's sick. And they sent him home. Well, when he gets home, I remember my my my mom looked at the picture and she goes, wow, that's good, because it was really a good drawing and it was really good, very talented.

Well, but what was on the picture was, like, disturbing. Right.

But she saw through that because he was releasing something, but she saw the talent. And so she said after multiple discussions with them, said, you know, you can take an hour. We had to study our in our study how you could take that hour and that you can literally draw whatever you want to draw. But part of that hour, I want you to draw an addition on to this house. So take that time, we want this, this and this, but the other time you can draw what you want, whatever you want.

So he draws a citation and it comes out like beautiful. She says, well, how are you going to build it? They say, we mean he says, well, where the. I mean, how far is the measurements to where, when, where?

And the kid goes, oh, so she says, well, you know, why don't you go figure that out. So Lily put somebody with him to help him actually understand the architect part of that of that drawing. That kid went on to college. He became an architect. Right. Only because somebody saw the talent in his aggression and anger. Well, same thing happened to me, right? I mean, I was outward with it. My father, adopted father Bob Shammi, put me in sports football.

Yeah. And I remember, man, the first time I hit somebody in a practice, I hit him so hard, he's blown snot bubbles.

I mean, I hit him hard. You're like, fuck, yeah.

I mean, they gave me a plastic helmet, plastic shoulder pads. And I just I just like LA and I just hit people and people thought I was on crack drugs because I was so intense.

I became relevant because I was good at something. Before that, I was a punk kid that was going to die before I was eighteen. Now all the sudden I got coaches helping me with my homework, making sure I get good grades. I got teachers that are helping me.

I'm the girl I'm dating the head cheerleader. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So think about that.

Like here I was ever he would look at me like I was weird and I had to play to wear.

Now all of a sudden I was important, all because I was good at a sport and I literally latched on to that and I said, OK, this is my way out. And I latched on to that and I became a football player and a wrestler. I got scholarships. And here's the thing, right? I mean, everybody goes through some sort of adversity. I remembered after I was there for years, I was a senior. I had the world by the balls.

I mean, literally, I was it. One instant. It was taken away, I walked into the wrestling room, I already played football, I had a great season. I walk into wrestling. I was undefeated that season, had not been beaten. I walk in there for the after the season, qualifying for state, I walk in that match, are not taped together, nobody's there. I got people to come in and help me. We start practicing and rolling around.

Nothing's put together, right. You just rolled the mats out. So we start wrestling and coach says you better take him down and we'll do walls, which is conditioning know, because I was kind of goofing off. And I remember in one moment I took a step, went to take him down. I slipped, kid fell on top of me. Kid was probably about 200, 250 pounds. I was probably 170 pounds.

Broke my neck. Wow. Boom. Done. I'm laying there on the ground. He's saying, get up, get up and I'm getting up. But I move in and in about 30 seconds in, I'm like, I can't move. 30 minutes later, I'm snapped together in a Star Wars board, put a lamp on me, picked me up, put me in the ambulance, they take me to Redding, California. Right then they told me I broke my neck.

I was like, OK. How long am I out for? Doctors like you broke your neck. I said, OK, I heard that, how long am I out now? I'm not moving. They got me clamped down. He's like, let me look at the x rays and I'll get back to you. Well, he pulls my dad aside was my dad. Then we pulled him aside and explains to him what the deal is. And you never play contact sports again.

You know, he's going to think about some other things. And so he comes in and he starts to explain it to me.

And I remember thinking to myself.

Wait a minute, I didn't do anything wrong. What why is this happening? Wait, this this can't be only reason why I am where I'm at right now is because I was good at something and you're telling me I can't do that, so. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's not possible. That can't happen. And he's really my dad says. Listen, you can lay there and pout. Or you can get up and do something about it.

And I was like. He's right now, I took it different than where he meant it, but I was like. He's right. How is this doctor telling me what I can't do and he doesn't know me. He has no idea what I'm willing to do to get to where I want to go.

He doesn't know me, so he can't tell me I can't do this. And I literally in my mind, as soon as I got out of the hospital, remember, I had this halo on his metal brackets, touched my chest, went through my bone, hip, my bone, and fused it in my front of my neck here.

And I remember I tore the bolts out my head twice because I was working out one time and I got in a fight another time with a halo one. I tore the bolts out of my head. I mean, I just it was I had this mentality, like, you can't tell me I can't do something, because if it's something I really want, I'm going to do it. All right. Who was that?

You thought you said there was a bed at the movie theater like that happens to me. You said you said he takes it from nowhere and nobody talks to him any kind of I respect him. I want to be like that.

Well, to be honest with you, it wasn't a role model. It was more of a concept. I think I understand. Yeah, it was a concept because the way I grew up was I watched how the gangs worked and I watched how the guys in power worked. And I thought to myself, I ain't nobody's punk and I'm going to I'm going to get to the top of the food chain in that world because that's how it's going to be run.

The baddest guy, the toughest guy, the smartest guy. That's what I wanted. Obviously, as things progressed and I started seeing how the real world works, that wasn't the case. I knew those guys were punks. Everyone is going to bend over and get their ass checked when they went into prison. So nobody was nobody was that tough. Nobody was that bad. Nobody was that much power. So I really realized that early on. And then I thought more like the sports industry was like, OK, now I see where the powers that you be good at something really good at it.

Now you have the power. I literally watched you fight and I remembered the eye contact. I remember the confidence. I remember being fighters before you ever walked into the ring. If you watch my fights over in Japan and you watch them really closely, that's how I entered my fights, was that I wanted to make sure that the guy that I was fighting knew I was going to fight him, knew I was going to hurt him. I knew I was going to destroy him.

And when I looked at him in the eyes after all the other stuff I said and did that he looked straight into my eyes, knew I was confident that I was going to hurt him. And a lot of that stuff I got from you when you were fighting, when you walked into the ring, a lot of that stuff I picked up from you. So for me, it was about winning the fight before I ever walked out of the ring.

That was goofily winning the fight without fighting. Yeah. You know, and that was his philosophy. The art of war. Yeah.

And it's true because you can destroy people's minds before they ever get to the ring fighting without fighting. Yeah.

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Can Jesus, when did you when did you start to gain feeling back in your body in the hospital?

Well, I started to feel sharp pains going down my arm. And I remember when they showed the X-ray, my neck was like this. I mean, it was literally hanging off normal normally like that. Well, I smashed the cartilage because what happens, I pushed my chin down to my sternum and then it came as it stretched, it came back down, wham. And it just it stuck there. Oh, I literally was just I mean, you're talking I mean, just inches from me just being paralyzed or dead.

Right. And I was very, very fortunate, very blessed that that I was able to recover from that and not only recover from it, but, you know, become the athlete I am today. But it really was determination in my mind was that, you know, and it came from me, the streets that's that's where I got it from, was that I'm either going to lay down and die or I'm going to stand up and fight. There's no other there's no there's no in between.

You either do it or you don't do it. And that's really what it was about, was really my experience from the street was like, I have two options.

You can't there's no way you're going to talk your way out of it. There's no way you're going to be a what do you call that an ambassador, somebody that has good with words. Be able to talk your way out of it because you ain't getting that far. So either you're going to fight or you're going to get beat up. And that's just the way it was.

Well. Fuck, man. Can I ask you what is what is your relationship like with Frank?

Yeah, yeah. Wow, that's you know, I want to love him.

Picture of you guys together. Yeah, I guess. Yes.

I want to love the guy. I want to help. I want to embrace him. He makes it so hard because I know when my father passed away, he was passing away. He was in the hospital. He was on rasps. We brought him home. He chose that. He didn't want to be, you know, doing, you know, all the things you need to do to to live because he was pretty bad off. And so I brought him home in and let him pass away at home.

And I remember one of his his requests were, can you get Frank?

I want to talk to him. I want to put aside our our differences because they were fighting at the time. And so we called and reached out to Frank. And Frank said he'd mourn at home. He did not give my father a chance to ask for forgiveness, didn't give him a chance to put that aside. And and I think today it haunts Frank.

I think that's why he's having issues. And the things that he's going through is because of that, that he didn't allow for whatever reason. He didn't allow that to be put aside and to make things right. This man, without this man, I wouldn't be where I'm at. And without this man, he wouldn't be where he's at. And for him not to give him that chance, it breaks my heart. I don't hate him. I feel for him because I know the more the longer he lives, the more he has family and different things that he grows and understands how this works, the more it's going to eat at him that he didn't honor the request that that his father wanted.

How many kids did the Shamrock family bring in? Well, I know my dad had over 500 boys well within the time spirit, the time period that we were at the Shamrock Boys Home in Susanville. I know he had it in Anzu, California, for a short time. I think there was, I don't know, maybe a 50 or 60 kids he had there. But he not only did he help the kids in the home, he always helping kids in the community, kids that were struggling.

They weren't doing well at home. You invite him out of the house. He gave them square meals. He let him stay. He was always he was just one of those kind of guys. It was always reaching out and helping kids. That was his thing. He just he knew how to I mean, listen, nobody knew how to deal with me.

I mean, I was I was a bad kid. Yeah. And he knew how to deal with me.

He literally, you know, he was the same way you tell the story I was saying, well, when it came to out for this big I you know, I'm from the good victory method. Wow.

I'm a live here and I play about the same battle about robbing them to Rob to see I thought not to think that these people and see if all this stuff and Heath and all this stuff is yours. You live here. You're one of us. But I don't know, I still wanted the problem. And then he started talking to me about my character ness. And then he's, you know, and I thought, oh, this guy thought it was some gay guy.

I mean, something to tell you look nice. You have what the fuck is he talking about? Right. What's the game? What's he want with what the hell does he want? And I think what this white guy teach me about fight and who what did I fucking find out? You know me. He told me about the character, but the spirit of fighting, you know, that's better than fighting the spirit of fighting. You know who he is that one day I became a slave.

I said, teach me more.

Well, those two guys seem very similar. Bob Shamrock and Coast motto and what they who they were in the world. And I'm interested to hear from you guys. What do you think it is that. And I think I know, but for our audience, what do you think it was that he wanted? Oh, there's no question in my mind that his true intentions were was to help a troubled youth, somebody that had the ability to do better things in life.

I mean, he didn't reach out to me because he thought like, well, I'm just going to, you know, help this kid. He saw something in me. He literally saw something that was special. And he goes, you know, it'd be a shame if somebody doesn't reach out and actually help this kid reach his potential because he can be great. And I know that's what he thought. And so for him to really see the difference between everyone else was that they weren't talking a game.

They weren't telling you something without producing something, in fact.

And he literally produced my anger and my frustration and he showed me how to take all of that, that that that frustration and that ability to want to kill and hurt people.

And he literally said, here, go ahead, take it out on these guys here.

They're playing football. Take it out on these guys here that are wrestling. But here's the key. You got to stay within the rules that you can go as hard as you want you to be as angry as you want to be as fast as you want.

You can explode hard as you want, but stay within that whistle, stay within that mat barrier and you can go as hard as you want and be whoever you want to be within that rule. And it was hard for me, no question, because I lost control a lot of times. But he'd always bring me back and said, hey, you know, this is this is the rules right here. This is where you got to be. He said, I'm not telling you can't do it.

I'm saying you got to do it within this. And then once I started catching on to that and all of a sudden I became relevant and I was like, whoa, I'm important. Like these guys like me. And literally they didn't just like me as a person, but they liked what I could do for them. That's fine, because now I understood and I thought they help me understand that was like they want something from you, you want something from them.

So you guys work with each other and get what you want. Exactly.

If customers happy that made me happy, it means I knocking out people, made them happy. Fuck, I want to do it. I want to knock out of five people a day. Really, because that made them happy. That was my job. I wanted them to be happy and being happy made me happy.

The pride on their face like oh my God. Yeah. Like whenever I go in and Pentagon to state champions and I wasn't even ranked I mean, I was I was just not there.

Anybody on the phone talking to a friend from the old I beat them and man and he doesn't even have a lot of fight. He just started and he beat the champion of the neighborhood. He did this to go, oh, that's major.

Made you like everything that you had gone through and everything that you were all of a sudden you became loved and and you were important to this human being. And it wasn't selfish.

It was they were truly happy for you big time. And then you've really you've taken that and you've paid that forward. Right. I mean, you have your own group homes now for boys. I did.

You did. I ran those homes and we gave kids an outlet. Same thing.

I wanted to try to do that nowadays with the way the law is on the way, kids lie and if and then and they and your fame is going to polarized, that that's crazy. I could never my wife and kids come and visit my kid over the house. I'm nervous. Yeah, I have friends come over the house. I don't know what these kids I don't know what their parents plan them to do. I don't know. They may think we well, we live in this neighborhood, in this big fucking mouth.

They may think we have more money than we actually have.

It's funny, too, because like me, you think about that me and that's that's you people are so out to be able to if you look at social media, everybody out to try to get a book by sooner or posting some make a name for himself.

Yeah. And it's just sick man. And that's that's a truth, man.

You got to watch yourself. Don't leave me alone. They have a fucking baby, right. It's clean the way she lived. Then you can leave. Don't leave me alone with this woman. This is on our life, baby. Are you going to leave all this shit? We were fucking go one way we can lose all this shit. We hardly where we came from. Nothing, baby. Imagine this one. We're going to lose all this shit we got.

All they got to say is one word man and don't got to be true. You know, all it has to do is say it in the room is go. They ain't even got to go to court. They don't have to do anything but just say it. And it's everywhere. It's all in social media, whether it's true or not true. It was said and you did no more.

No more doing them. Am commercial for you, buddy. No more Kentucky Fried Chicken commercial. More all-American guy. Hey. Well, hey, I heard PornHub is hiring. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. That's about it.

So don't ask me how I know that. Yeah.

Well what are you up to these days man. What do you spend your time on.

Well, I tell you what man, something that I think hopefully Mike might be interested in is I went up to Columbia and. Editing and I did stem cells and, oh, man, you know, I'm one of those kind guys, people say, oh, do you do this man is reserves game changing as I go, whatever. I heard that a million times. And I was like, OK, well, then I actually got footage from Matt Hughes.

Chuck Liddell, you have a the story in documentary. Unbelievable.

And that's what sold me. I was like, OK, I'm I'll give it a try.

So I go up there and I do this thing and they put me under that. Give me all these stem cells. I wake up one morning and they tell me you're going to be sore in these different joint areas.

And I was like, OK, so I wake up and I mean, I get up in the bathroom. It's like 3:00, 4:00 in the morning. I get in the bathroom and I go back down to lay in bed.

And I was like, wait a minute, it's like my shoulder and his shoulder. But where I get really stiff is my lower back of my neck because I broke my neck twice in my lower back once and the middle my back's all jacked up and I'm like. There's no pain, I got no I got no information, I was like, OK, I'm going to bed, I'm dreaming. I wake up at nine o'clock next morning. I'm like, I wake up again.

I'm like. I don't have any information, I'm still so shows and everything, but they warn that and I was like, wow, this is OK, I'm going to slow down on this. I'm not going to jump out of here and say everything's working. So I wait a week. I couldn't raise my arms above my head going to the airport, I go this high because I've got a titanium ball on my shoulder, I mean, completely reconstructed.

So I have a hard time with my arms within a week, two weeks, bam.

I'm like. Wow, this is a game changer, literally. I went up to Australia and I did a 40 minute match with Dance seven, I never been able to do that before. These stem cells dreams I've been out and now I'm in to do it. Three weeks now I'm supposed to see more results. David, you said, hey, this is just the beginning, man. You're going to see so many results within six months that it's going to be a game changer.

It's already is for me. So I'm like, man, if I can share this with people and let them know how it's done to me and it can help them. And I'm all about that. So I hope that maybe you'll get a chance to at least see what that is, because I really, truly and I'm not saying this just to say it, I'm telling it is a game changer.

Put it no. Then I'm still for sure. But one thing, too, I want to talk about I want to talk about my love.

Right with I fought in the very first UFC. Yeah. Yeah. I fought over in Japan with open hand strikes.

I fought with four ounce gloves on. I fought Muay Thai. I've done it all. I fought everything. I fought. Boxer sparred with guys to help me get ready for their fights. Have done it all. And the one thing that I fell in love with his bare knuckle and the reason why I fell in love with it was because I felt like like this is just pure. I mean, it's man against man, God given talent and that there's nothing there that's going to get in the way.

I mean, you hit it with a jab. It counts, right? Any time you hit some counts. But if you miss it, it also counts because it works against you, your hand. So I fell in love with that man and I said, you know, if I ever get a chance to bring back bareknuckle because they started putting four ounce for ounce gloves on guys and started saying, we're going to make it safer. Well, the reality is that's not true.

They wanted to protect the guys that were winning, the guys that were knocking people out because they knew that they kicked him in the back of the head, the side of the head, and they wouldn't damage their hand. And so they made it into a four billion dollar business kudo's.

Good job. But that's not what I fell in love with. I fell in love with a bare knuckle part because it was so pure. And I said, you know, I get a chance to do that. I'm going to bring it back. Bare knuckle fighting valor, bare knuckle fighting, I'm bringing it back. People kept screaming, standing up, stand them up. Well, we're standing them up.

Nice man. Why do you think we we love fighting so much?

I think it's because we're good at it. We want learn from it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's something we want something from. We give the status to the beginning of time. The strongest man in the world, Achilles, Achilles. Everybody wanted to be the toughest man in the world. King of the hill. Yeah.

Respect. Yes. Backed. And it works against you after you get old, they start looking at you, you're like, what happened to my respect? You know, even that becomes a form of respect, right? Well, yes. Yes. Depending on. Even that becomes a form of. Yeah, yeah.

Well, I've seen this emergence of bareknuckle and I think it's really interesting. And so you you believe that or maybe the science says is it would make sense. I mean, you put four ounce and you put weighted, you know, accessories on your on your weapons and that's going to add damage. You know, it's like a football helmet and football.

You know, really, you're just put in as a spear on that thing, you know, given a chance to do more damage without hurting their hand.

But, you know, and in England, bare knuckle fighting is just brilliant.

Is it quicker? It's quicker.

So fast Molenaar went in and fought Labov. I think it was one of MacGregor's guys and it was really boxing against Inanna. And when a boxer goes into a bare knuckle fight molenaar, I think made a mistake because he thought bareknuckle will be like boxing.

Well, that's crazy because you got to think about boxing. You got eight ounce gloves.

Well, those Einaudi gloves are a lot bigger. So you could pick a block and block bareknuckle you can't block, you know. Yeah. Your footwork. You got to be movement. You came in with the wrong idea.

He thought he could block Yelton. He got he got the outlet up. And so I think that's I really think that's the exciting part of it, because it's almost like in the very beginning days with UFC when they first started out.

It's like now we have that same concept where you're trying to figure out everybody says boxing, you adapt better or end and they might adapt better. And I'm thinking to myself, I think it's the individual. I think it's the character of an individual that says, hey, I'm going to come in, I'm going to learn because it's different in a lot of these guys want to try to think it's similar or same is not bareknuckle is its own beast. It's different.

It's faster from the time the bell rings. So the end of the bell in the third round it's on. There's no feeling out. Process is going to change. It's like when he thought it was like metal on, right.

I mean, right now, a lot of guys, they always want to kind of get that one or two rounds of feel out and bareknuckle. You take one or two rounds, you feel it out, you're done getting over. Yeah.

What's your feeling on it? Like it's interesting, really.

Yeah. With the rules that they have, it's not really like bare knuckle fighting, boxing.

They had different rules. You know, they didn't have MOCA's The Queensbury three men and the woman with if you knock the guy down in 1880, if you knock them down at the end of the round, so you knock the guy down 10 times 15 rounds, you know, so they have to change the rules. But I think it's pretty awesome. They have it. Have they have the base. Yeah. Wants to see it. Yeah. I've seen me.

Yes. I think it's necessary. Well it seems very excited.

I don't know like well one for one fighting sport. The worst in another sport we're fighting. You can die fighting. That's the unwritten law when we find a contract. That's the law that we know cuz we've seen it over and over then it's going to be invited. That's the only look you can die training in the fight.

And I'm glad he said that because I hear a lot of people trying to say bare knuckles, more dangerous or boxing's more dangerous because more people have died. Well, Bernanke has been he's been here forever, but it's just starting back to come back or memories. To me, it's this man. Every single combat sport, whether it's football, I mean, even his soccer. I mean, there's danger in any athletic sport. So when people talk about this.

Yeah, people can get hurt. Yes, somebody may die. But look at it like this. Anybody who steps in the ring signs a contract and understands what they're getting into. There's a trade off, like we talked about earlier. There's a status about being a fighter, about being the best in the world, about combat killings, being on top of the world. There's a trade off to that, too.

You can die. Yeah. So you don't have to do it. But if you want the status.

Yeah. To listen to this, to look at my life. I live in Brownsville, Brooklyn. I'm all cut off welfare. I'm going to die in this building. If I don't grow up and still get shot from still somebody's shit, I get caught and get put to jail for the rest of my life. I'm a die and get paid money. My life is worth it. I thought that my fourth of my life would if I die fucking I signed the contract.

Don't you think how many people all over the world you don't think we know how many old people would have had no shit. They didn't. They got talent thumpingly to know how to find the fuck. I do it for money. Yeah. Yeah. I'll never forget the if nobody cared about dying. We come to the concept, the real concept.

No one cared about dying when I can eat is a thought. We don't think about that. About that. Yeah.

Yeah. That argument it goes nowhere you know, because like you said, I mean that's, that's part of why people do it, you know, because the stakes are so high. And you look at the way people watch it because the stakes are so high.

Right. It's it's exciting. And this is why I think that bareknuckle is really starting to take off is because it is fast. People, when they sit down, want to be, especially in today's generation, with all the social media, everything that's happening out there, they don't want to wait for something to happen. They don't want to wait for a storyline to play out. They want it now. You know, bareknuckle is that kind of fighting where it's happening now.

Yeah. Where is that at? It's that Forbears Casino in Newtown, North Dakota also. And I tell you, I did before. What's that like?

Oh, you left to the North Dakota now? Well, I tell you, the Native American territory it is. And it's a beautiful place. Oh, I love the go. You know me mean. It's a beautiful Native American.

Yeah. Yeah. It's really Canada. I've been on the reservation before. Wasn't that cool though.

Yeah. Yeah. This is my experience. That was awesome. Those guys are really proud people they put on. I mean they're just the way they are. When you go there, they treat you with respect. Their casinos pretty much brand new. Even the event center itself is new. The area around it is just I mean, it is loaded with oil. You see oil wells everywhere. So there's a lot of money running through there, not just with the Indian reservation, but also with the oil and stuff that goes on there.

I mean, tremendous right now. Wow. It's a lot like when I drove from the airport to there, I must have saw at least two to three hundred. And this is no, I'm not kidding you. Two to three hundred different oil things going on. It's everywhere you drive from there interested.

Never would have thought that. Yeah. Thing about going into business with the fighting stuff goes well with them. You can get a contract with the. With the casino, yes, right now, man, we're excited to be there and work with them and we look forward to a long relationship with them for sure.

Yep. Three bears, North Dakota. Are you still fighting, Ken? No, I don't. You know, that's funny. That's funny when people say that because, like, there's other people that mention it on their shows and people are still we're in great shape.

And I'm just curious. You're fucking great shakes.

I wrestle like I've got a show coming out of impact on the 20th of September where I'm I'm not 20 September 20th of October. I don't even remember. I got so much going on. But I'm wrestling for impact. I've got a couple of shows I'm doing with them. I'm excited to be in the ring and wrestle. But Mark Coleman came out, started saying stuff about fighting me bareknuckle. I mean, my friends were good friends and me and him were joking about it, says, hey, do what is wrong with this.

So we ran with it, right? Yeah, but not once did I ever say I was fighting. He did, but I never said that. Right. And so people just picked it up and started thinking, we're going to fight. Then they started saying, well, he's too old to fight. I don't know what he's thinking.

Maybe he needs the money and they all speculating on this. You're. Yeah, my name. I'm going.

Hey, ask me. Yeah, ask me. I never said I was like, you know, why are you saying that they're scared of you. Oh my goodness.

All the fucking talking heads or scared. Help a little bit.

Help me to tell me, what was that guy that killed himself? Kevin the black guy. Kevin something random and random. When you think about the mental illness that happened, what happened? I had to lie to find piece that he was a man and a great wrestler.

Zuckerberg may be the father.

You know, this is a great wrestler, man. Good. Due to he was not a punk. He was a nice guy. And I really hated to see that happen. But, you know, I mean, in this business, man, it really when you especially when you get long in the tooth and you start moving out of that and you're trying to find yourself in another career, when everybody wants you, when you're important, and then you get to the end of your career and you just got a small amount of people that kind of want to step on you as you're going out the door.

And I think that's kind of what happened.

Was it just you just didn't there was no one there to keep him lifted up and he got depressed because it's a hard thing to do. I mean I mean, I'm sure Mike can speak this, too. It was tough for me.

I'm surprised I didn't kill myself. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

But it's hard for a fighter who was the best in the world, literally the best in the world. And then to say, OK, you're not relevant anymore.

That is that's a no no for not being relevant. And I think they treated you in that never.

Boo yah. Boo yah. Right there in the front seat. You gave free tickets with probably a party after party coming out until I learned SLEEPIFY How they don't give a fuck. Yeah.

They never fucked in at the end. You let somebody who could be around you trying to fuck them nasty. No good motherfucker. Then they say, fuck you, Mike.

That's the truth, man. I tell you, there's a lot of Clinton's guys that just like you're in your camp that constantly are there when the party's happening and everything is going well, the minute it turns, they spit on you.

And that is that's so hard to deal with because I know with me and I know with my.

I feel bad about you. Yeah. Took the family, the mother. They didn't know what out of the country. Well, you took care of it. You put them on planes, probably nothing. And he pays you a piece of shit. He might testify against you in court.

I can't I can't be saying that it pierces my heart because those are people you care about. And then all of a sudden they turn on you. It breaks your heart.

It does hurt, you know, the woman that you loved and told everything about you love you. The love of your life and death in your piece of shit. You is nothing. Listen. Oh, God, I'm fetishise. It's so interesting, you know, that people do that.

It hurts just hearing him say that because it brings back memories, you know?

I mean, if all the money attract those kind of people, you know, and you just don't see the colors until it's gone.

So you don't think you're out to you're you're you're not yourself colors. You don't want to see too good to be true. You don't want to see this is what it is to good the exposure for what they you want to believe. You lied to me. I don't believe I don't want to believe you fucking this guy behind my back. I don't even want to believe. I know you're telling me, but I don't believe they don't want to deal with it.

Don't want to deal with that. Yeah. You didn't do it.

Did this move on? Man. It hurts too much. I don't want to see that.

I don't want to deal with it in less and an back then I thought I was tough. I had a bad ass, my heart broken that far.

I hit that switch. I mean, that's just. Yes, there. I mean, I like I said, I just I mean, it's dead, all right? I mean, just feel it. Yeah. Yeah. I just go through those thoughts again where you were at and the people that you thought were your friends that you think about, bring up the fucking video, found these motherfuckers.

I love them to still love them, but they write to these toxic. You can't help them. They kill you. That's I think that's the hardest part. Like he just said, that you still love him, you still care about him, and there's a lot of them. And you and you just kind of rationalize it in your head like, well, maybe I was part of the problem and maybe you maybe I was like because I wasn't the nicest person either when I was at the top at the same time.

And it's just you just can't believe that people that were that close to you on the inner circle would later just kick you in the nuts and just not care. Just literally not care.

And then we have to look at from this perspective and go outside of ourselves, you know, this is what you need to grow. We know what you need. You don't know what you need, motherfucker. This is what you need to grow, you know, and God talk to us.

We know it's him, but we don't know how to we don't know how to find him. You know, we don't know if they just told me this because that sounds like you got to tell me shit. But he did. Who you said it who said I'm not smart enough to think this shit up. Then who said it right. You said it.

Yeah. Yeah. When you start thinking it was you, that's when things start going wrong.

Because you ain't that smart. No, I'm not that smart.

Does working on this shit ain't me. I ain't thinking of this show. It's too deep for me. It's just transmission's. I think about this. It's the transmissions we receive.

Well those are working. Yeah, exactly that. Ken, is there anything else you want to hit before we wrap it up.

Want people to know about you, where you and how to get in contact with you.

Yeah, Ken Shamrock Dotcom and also Valla B.K.. Well, I think, look, we have all of our Instagram social media sites.

You can go there and check us out. You want to get tickets? Go check that out.

Well, thank you for being rude to me. Don't get promoted enough. How do you get promoted? How do you promote it? I mean, at a big level, there's not getting promoted enough. Well, I think it's time we came up for that first week. They promoted the should. They must spend every nickel they had in their pants to promote it. When was that? When they first when they had the first Pylea maybe a year ago.

Almost a year. Six months ago. Yeah. Yeah, eight months ago. They thought of having all the fight. They knew about it. The guy in the square was fighting in there and then they stop.

Now you are just coming back.

Yeah, I think what we got to do is basically and this has been our approach since the beginning is, is that we got to educate people on what they're watching once we can start getting the education out there, that this is not barbaric and this isn't something that is coming out from the streets and it's not sanctioned and it's not professional. We're bringing in professional fighters. And to be able to understand that people say, oh, well, it's bareknuckle, oh, somebody's going to get hurt.

In reality, it is. It's not, because when you're fighting bareknuckle, you can break your hands.

So you've got to ease up on your punches and bare knuckle fighting. Listen, I do agree because I know I've mostly they stop the fight because the guy later. Yeah. That ain't nobody taking a beating. Right. Time for that bull shit opening up. You're not the finish. So that's the opening up.

So even though it looks more violent, it's more because of the blood. Yeah, but it's just more cock and beans.

Yeah.

Visually, imagine taking three with nobody ain't nobody is going to a fight bareknuckle. Take three round the beat. Right. Right. No one had to. Yeah. Yeah. One man might be, they might get to know one. No way they could be.

Well can they get a little deeper than that to how we think about this. And it just happened about a month ago. Well you got a guy that's really tough, right. And so this guy knocks him down three or four times, but the guy keeps getting up. And because he's so tough and that he has a chin, he keeps getting up. But he's he's taking brain damage. But you can't you can't see it. Yeah.

So but with bareknuckle, that will never happen because when a punch lands like those punches for landing, guys are going to get cut, they're going to get broken noses, there's going to be blood and they're going to stop the fight as opposed to boxing gloves where you can hit a guy 100 hundred times.

He may be cut once, but he just took one hundred brain shots, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's very good. The purpose of and it can't happen to me, but the purpose of really where people get hurt is because of the continual pounding all the time. Yeah. In the gym. And the only time they get aneurysms, sometimes people are born with aneurysms and they may die the first time you get hit and they may they may die after twenty years getting hit.

And no one knows when you're going to die but you to die.

Even inspiring like bareknuckle. You don't spart right. You use double in bags. You try to be more accurate. You don't need power. And then when you spar with actual gloves on, you're not trying to hit hard because you're trying to do is get your footwork in there handling. So the sparring is much, much less than it would be if you were trying to train for anything and they fight or a boxing fight because you have to get those rounds in that are aggressive with bareknuckle.

You don't you don't have to because you know that when you hit somebody with your fists, they will count.

So you don't have to go 15 rounds or twelve rounds or five five minute rounds. It's three to. Three minute rounds and from the bell to the bell, fight is on. Very interesting, very exciting indeed, very charming for a good challenger, English champion. That's where the money can come in England. Been doing it for 500 years.

Ozols ancestor's name Tom. No, Tom Moulinex. His knowledge unassailably like you. He's like the 16 Molyneaux. Tom Monika's 16, 15, 16, 10. Yeah.

And we have two two guys from England in our tournament facts. We got one former champion from England who's got beer.

He's fighting in this bareknuckle tournament.

So God beard. God beard. Yeah. Good name. Right. Wow. Intense name. Imagine when he goes to church. Yeah.

That's the that we in the mouth who have nothing on toughness when it comes to the English. And even though they might be better fighters, I'm told my cousin may walk into a fucking ball. You got a bunch of big bad mother. No, they got that. They got to deal with that.

It's that gypsy violin, little gypsy.

Any of them is all a whole bunch of fucking English motherfuckers that I've been fighting and fighting and don't give a fuck if they get killed. That knocked out cold in the street. Get going for it. They're used to it, man. Yeah.

You know, for years they meant so many words over the years of their existence. Imagine.

Well, it's interesting to think about that and tie it to the United Kingdom, the land mass and how there's such a small piece of land.

Yet they have so much significance throughout the history that all the connection to the connection to the Romans and the great. Yeah, yeah. It's very rich in history to me. Yes.

Well. Well, Ken, it's been an absolute honor to have you here. Thank you, man. I appreciate it. Thank you so much. Pleasure, my friend. Amazing to share your story and your insights. Really powerful stuff.

Get together and she'll love and know maybe you can go to the pub gravesite together.

It would be beautiful. So my hope for, you know, like I said, I'm not a person who wants to hug. I want to make sure that I don't have anything when I move on in life, that I have to have grudges or hold grudges because I'm not about that.

Listen, can I believe in that way when I almost. It's almost over? Yeah, we're right. Ego politics has been a bad health. We look good, but it's almost over.

We're here for a short time. Yeah. Most of the blame can be mechanical.

You can leave here being mad at somebody we love.

That's it, brother. No, no question. You know what I mean? I had beefs with Dede Ortiz. I had peace with Dana. I went to every single one of those guys and said, hey, man, I'm sorry and put our peace behind us because I felt like I was involved in this great thing that people love so much and that the fans deserve to be able to go to events and not have to worry about guys that have huge with one another.

So that was important to me to make sure that we we bury that and that we can move on and just just be friends with each other so the fans can enjoy the history.

And it's also I about more fighters. The majority of us just say 98 percent, 95 percent of us, you know, where we come from, we fight for pride and we not businessmen.

And so people take advantage of us because of pride, because we want to be somebody, because we never nobody. We always nobody. And we want to be somebody. We don't think we're the fucking money.

We fight for free. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would fight for free if they let me fight, you know. I mean, yeah. If they won't let me fight. Yeah.

Just get me out there. Let me fight the best guy man I and I even said it many times.

It's till we started making money and I realized I was, I was a mark and it's like I can't come over here, it will take you. So I realize it was a business then. But yeah, that's kind of how I felt. Man was like, man, just put me in a room.

I want to fight it. They'll be talking about some guy. I fight them, I fight them anything. And every night. Yeah, Mike will give you a chance and I'm ready for him yet, but I still would have for him to kick my ass the other guy.

No, I wouldn't have been afraid of him if I would have heard Ahmed punch in there and be able to kick my ass. My attention would have been the fucking hurt him back down to no one.

Yeah. Words to live by, guys. Well, amazing episode. Thank you again, Ken. It's really an honor to have you here, Mike. Great episode. Incredible. Everybody, thank you so much for listening to this episode of Hotbox. And be sure to subscribe to our YouTube channel, Hopcroft Hotbox. And with Mike Tyson, check out our website, hotbox and podcast dot com. A lot of great stuff there, all the episodes, Mirch, et cetera.

Good stuff. I'm Evan Burton. I'm Mike Tyson.

And I'm Ken Shamrock. Peace, peace out.

Everybody here. I was great now. Thank you, man.

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