I remember meeting you back in the mid 90s and I had all these I had long hair. I was looking, you know, crazy with that Rosiland Club. And I said, Mike, now, Tony, I'm Tony. How are you doing to Tony Touch.

But we haven't met Tony. Touch the and yet you make the tapes, you gotta use black and white there.

I said, listen, I'm Puerto Rican. It's like the same shit anyway, but.

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The math, the man, the mix tape.

King only did that. Oh, a talent.

But it let me catch my breath. Thank you, Mike. Thanks for having me, man.

Fresh off the plane to weather here, I just landed literally, like not even an hour ago. It's a good welcoming.

Let's go. Welcome. I like that the airport's closed. Yeah.

Yeah, it's amazing. You know, it was like everything worked out perfect. God bless. And we're so close to the airport. Hey, man.

What are you doing? Tony, man. Man, a lot of great things happening, bro. New a mix tape thing you do as a mix. Yes, a mix tape film.

We put it together. We're talking about the whole mix tape culture from the beginning.

Hollywood, you know, Brucey, B Starchild all the way up through Kapre into D.J. Clue and Casely all the way up to now to drama.

D.J. Kalid, you know, we want to show people how important the mixtape culture was, man, for many years because, you know, music was created for a long time, too, though.

Yeah. Some of the drama. Yeah, that's right. Man in L.A. now we keep that for a long time.

And he took the rat man for, you know, when the feds came down on the whole thing. Mixtape Yeah.

He was, he was he was the you know, he was the dude that ended up getting hemmed up for. Yeah. Yeah. So it changed everything since then. But he's still successful. He's got a studio, his label is artists.

So we want to talk about that because. Yeah, well while the mixtape deejay was like the underdog, you know, he wasn't on the radio, really not in the limelight, but we were really spreading the music all over the world.

I know, but you're spreading a different kind of media use, Vietnam, culture, music, music that they would never play in radio, music that really would never they played rap music, but it really never put out our word, how we express ourselves, how we spoke, you know, I mean, even listen, when you think about it and Rapper's Delight was really commercial.

When we think about rapping, that would really sold out rap music when you really think about it.

Commercial.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Grandmaster Caz, who's also into film, who wrote the Sugarhill. Yeah. NWA came in with the guy Bushwick Bill and those guys, they came and changed the game. They, they spoke for us. They didn't Public Enemy. They spoke for it.

They changed the game. They sure did.

The people then they, they told I think they will know how we feel now. Everybody knows about us, how everybody conducts themselves somewhat like they that's the culture that we were you know, we just so taboo.

We were so taboo.

Our parents didn't like us who were different from our parents.

And then and then hip hop came and we. Everybody, if you're not with us, with this apparent with everybody and we have built this culture, yeah, that's right. Here we are. It's amazing.

20, you know, 20, 20 amazing come the Latin Quarter. That's what I lived in before I can remember. And like eighty three and eighty five. Eighty three. So if you hanging out in those places, you're scum, huh. You know, I mean even your friends come around.

You would argue that that place was the hip hop be bop my yo Mike. That this is crazy.

Listen, you were the outcast. If you just you hung around the hip hop spot, LandCorp, the other attorney hung around near all people in the thick of the criminals who did. So you hung up there. You were really in bad you bad news.

That's right. I went to El cuz once. Yeah. It was crazy. 87, 88 was crazy. Red alert who he probably he took you to. He's there all the time. Every time I went. That's a red alert right now.

I got to go with him to Saturday night. Yeah. They're kicking ass man. Red alert. Let's go. Prop master. Prop master.

That's right. So now a lot of good things happening. So there's plenty of movies out there, hip hop films, documentaries about rappers, you know, this that stuff even.

But this is a really deep story about how important the mixtape culture.

Listen, let me tell you and this is how I got involved with Mixtape. Yeah. The first time I ever in my life, ever. I never heard. I'm up in I'm in Bronx. I'm in juvenile detention center called Spofford in the Park. And I hear people talking about the Grandmaster Flash, Theodore Golo, the L Brothers Grandmaster Medley, my food a fucking he's got me like, fuck this. They come around here and get killed the wrong motherfucker.

Are you crazy? And these guys this and I can't I could have never had that.

One day when I came back home, someone gave me a tape of the people from the Brooklyn Grandmaster Flash, but it was Shah Rock and the Church Street, three churches for something like that.

And the girl, the Shah Rukh, don't start with. Get on my house. Anybody hear this?

And then I got another one from Grandmaster Flash when this guy that was locked up with and this is Pops is in the Bronx.

Yeah, in the Bronx. I met those guys. That's why was getting those tapes and he was in it.

Yeah, that's where it all started, bro.

Yeah. And I didn't even know nothing about you. That's what I see. Some guys in Brooklyn, they come on play music. They don't say who they are now is playing music. They get on my hey, cut that shit out. No fighting. All right. But then it can play to me. But this whole thing.

Who what the fuck? I'm the king of rock. You know, they're talking shit like gangsta, real. And all the gangsters hung out there, all the fucking outcast, the people that stick up, kid, the people are pickpocket the jocks. The chain snatch the robber, the heart of the armed robber. Everybody was there.

So that's why that's why in the beginning time, there's always beef at the rap. Think of everybody that you might see a got a stuck you up before at the music then. Then it's be those beef that started off that way with a lot of people fight at the plate. That's always something.

And I'm going back to my is Rob. You said this fucking club in my neighborhood. In your neighborhood, I get my boy.

Let's get these motherfuckers some Union Square shit for real. Union Square. It's amazing. That would be effective. Wouldn't you square that with hip hop at its finest in the beginning stages? Man wasn't even twenty years old. 51, ten years old.

I know. Man Shalakany, Kenny Parker from Boogie Down Productions. He's joining with me tomorrow at my Tuesday party called Tuesdays.

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That's right. Beating your dad, still rocking that rocking. It's amazing.

The child care is one here, too.

It's amazing how the music captured the energy of this community. Hmm.

You know why I brought all these people together? Yeah. And it spread like wildfire.

If you go from a religious perspective, even for Muslim from Muslim perspective, Christians, this is the devil's work.

Can you believe that? Yeah. Can you believe that?

You believe that has been called that. Can you believe that. Right. All the devils when it when when, when, when. And Andrew left, he took all the fucking entertainers with him. You got to hit the old music, the devil's music man. He believed they put that in my mind for thousands of fucking years.

It's crazy, right? Crazy shit.

Wow, man. He believe that. Yeah.

Can you really believe that as human beings, we really believe that they try to take our fucking happiness, our pleasure. And they talk about brainwash. Yeah.

Brainwash.

Look how many years their religion had a brainwash before musingly musical even came to existence.

Wow, man. Yeah, well, we're blessed, man, you know, and God bless us, no, no, no, Mancur, so we look at this and I hear all of us, Kelani, Tony Tillotson and getting bigger and bigger fame and unstoppable 20, 50 years from now, a rapper make Jay-Z look like nothing 100 years from now.

They look like nothing compared from the rapper. They're coming and coming after us. The fight is coming after us. Crazy. The podcast coming after us. We're going to be nothing will be obsolete.

You're right. Tony, give us a little history of the mixtape. Like, how did it come into being? Why was it necessary?

Well, in the beginning, the first tapes that were really done were like live recordings at parties and stuff, you know, when. Yeah, they were good, too. They were like clear. They weren't that clever. They were good. Yeah, it wasn't. No DJs make it tapes. It was just recordings from the parties, you know.

And you know, that's what you heard to be Shauntay and empty a.k.a. ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba is crazy.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So you know, I'll talk about this all the early recordings and then moving forward, once DJs got equipment, started making tapes at home and customized tapes and personalized and it just turned into a thing where it became big industry, you know what I mean. And it was like one of the best ways for artists to get hurt and labels to get their music out there. Sometimes, you know, there was not a lot of radio opportunities.

I would say, listen, I got D.J. Clue, so I got a pretty well, what Kickapoo those on the radio. But he never did a tape with here. Let's look at this tape is off the fucking up. You're talking like he'd never talked before and really talking to you personally from the street.

Right. And he's a big part of the film to Caprica, if you like, changed the game like he took off from the the homemade live pork stuff to like so many people come from the.

I'm being performed.

Yeah. So and so. It started an industry man. And, you know, some call us pirates and bootleggers and this, that and the third. So there's a love hate relationship with the labels and the jazz that was doing this stuff.

So we talk about we just talk about it. So that's why you said the feds got involved, because it was looked at as some sort of piracy? Yeah.

I mean, eventually somebody got somebody had to do with how the piracy this shit was made of, you know, pirate, get the fuck out. They want to control it, right? Yeah. You can't control you want to control.

Can't control it. Only thing they can do to control the people who create his mind and make them think that these people are stealing from which we are not. Right.

Because these big time starting this month for the phone from Shinozaki stealing money out of my fucking baby. You fuck it, he's not the man.

So, I mean, yeah, you know, I mean, they think they want to actually beat this guy for some from the street. Yeah, there are. These are the people who want to beat these guys up.

Yeah. But Mike on you know, one of the reasons to man I wanted to come out here was also I'm glad we're talking about the film, you know, because I remember meeting you back in the mid 90s and I had all these I had long hair.

I was looking, you know, crazy was at Roseland Club, Khorosan. I said, Mike, man Tony, I'm Tony Touch. How are you doing that?

Tony Touch met Tony. Touch the D.J.. Yeah, you make the tapes.

Shit. I thought you was black. I had no idea.

I said, listen, Puerto Rican is like the same shit anyway, but, you know, we hit it off and then and you told me how a lot of your training sessions work out sessions were like off of mixtape continuous play.

So we wouldn't have to stop working out sometimes.

Sometimes you have to stop all excited. Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. That should be an exciting time.

No, that's right. Rewind. Yeah. To rewind now just press the button. Go back.

I are up and coming. Artists, musicians. Are they still making mix tapes now.

It's still being used but it's just different names for it. Some people call it playlists.

OK, you know because I got to play the mix tape you to listen to a play the music boom. Put a play. This should be a radio station. Play the music.

Oh yeah. Yeah. So that's what I like.

They got the idea from us with all of that, you know, I mean it's what they don't know what they don't do. They don't mix. Yeah.

They play, you know, continuous music but they make them right.

There's platforms out there that just now to get their mixes heard, like there's a mix cloud, dotcom and SoundCloud dotcom.

You got DJs uploading mixes live from this club or, you know, different formats and stuff.

So it's still vibrant and the labels still use it as marketing tools to still get their artists, even artists themselves. He's doing the whole thing looking, Nipsey Hussle, God bless. God bless his soul, you know, he did this whole thing where he did, like 100 mix tapes. Yeah.

And sold them for, like, a thousand dollars each. And like, I was like genius. Like, he had, like, such strategies, strategic shit.

And he was a big supporter to say, no, no, this is the magical mixtape in the other tape, OK, the mix tapes, you never fucking you never get everything that's on is what you want. Everything's on. It's soothing to you and you know me. Your whole fucking existence. Yeah. Everything you want. Nothing. Don't want that. Somebody just run to it anyway. No everything. Thulin There's nothing interrupting you. Your whole existence is perfect at that moment.

Wow.

You know. Yeah. I've been there filming everything you wanted there. Yeah. Imagine having everything you want.

That's awesome. Feeling emotionally to fuck emotionally because emotionally you have everything there musically.

Yeah. Inspired musically. Music inspires people. Why do they do this by you know we don't even know that about why did this music is bad. Why did this make you want to fight. Why does this make you want to love. Why does this make you want to be exhilarated.

I felt about that before myself and it's it's as if music is just pure energy because we just feel it. Yeah. You know, we're not like thinking about music. And I've listened to these tapes of this guy talking about his name's Alan Watts and he talks about how, you know, life should be like music because the music you're never rushing to get to the end. Yeah. You're just enjoying every moment of it as it comes. It's about the music itself, something else about music.

And really people create it, but no one owns it. Yeah. Belongs to know when they want to own it.

That's the thing. You know, I capitalistically want to own everyone to own the school. I own the people's souls. Music helps them own people soul their own perspective.

Because when you hear music you act outside of yourself.

You do the hard core got anything for you know, and you find a way to make the music adjust to your personality and you find music to rock hard. Keeps you hard. Keep you cool, though. I'm a sucker, Karaca something you know, you find a way to adjust to it. And your personality.

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Great story. No, that's real stuff. You can't control yourself when you hear the song. Yes. Like fun. Yeah. You feel it. And you can't even control yourself. You can't just stop eating. Yeah. Yeah.

You hungry thing. I know you feel that energy, that vibration come through. You do. It's powerful.

Yes I know. Feel like it man.

So we got these parties. We do in New York every week. Sunday nights is like deep soulful.

How's it at the Sunday night party now.

Is that a venue called Chelsea MusicWorks in the Meatpacking District, 14th Street by now is used to be in that area?

Yeah.

And then we got the Tuesday nights I bought thirteen, which is across the street from the old Union Square, got a rooftop and listen to them. When I had to leave New York, I'd know why I had to leave New York. I was kicked out of every fucking club we kicked out of the club. If you live in New York. Wow, OK, I'll fly you. Are you useless? You can't communicate. We kicked out of all the clubs.

Oh fuck. Nobody will you. Oh, now the wild man half can't fight with the bartender. Bring those guys down. They never had the guy that and didn't fucking need these kind of clubs.

I remember I think I heard a story at the tunnel with Big Pond and got time to play ping pong and.

Right and then happened he Sensorites dudes you're chasing some dude around then essentially.

Yeah that's what I heard. I don't know if this is true but loud man.

Yeah. I was such a big fan. Listen man, listen, god bless.

But listen, these guys are like gozman fucking guys that are killers fucking savages who kill them for. Somebody even upset them, they don't even know these guy, they love them, you know, mean it was like the fucking ghetto. It was like ghetto superstar for the first time. People in the hood with big respect, with big, fancy cars. They wish the police respected them and shit was crazy and they didn't steal shit.

We steal Robin and steal shit out there risking their life every day. But these guys live and look at these guys live the way they want to live, just like that. This is the way the hustler dreamed the rapper a successful rap with the hustlers dream. He's the guy that we understood. We have to hustle and try to get money. That's our dream. That's what we want. We don't know how we're going to get it. But that's what that's our picture.

That's the picture of how do I get from doing this. I'm trying to get there with the fucking guy. How does this work? It's like two sides of the same coin, but then he starts getting involved with this.

But I'm not a rapper.

I could be a security car with the rappers and she moves on big and now he owns the company, I'm sure did. He's a security guard now.

He owns the fucking company and a bodyguard company, I think happens is you get so inspired by this shit.

Yes. Yes. Those man you see this guys on welfare, food stamps, living in a condemned building. And next thing you know, he's a megastar. He comes around the neighborhood and Rolls Royces and Bogarde that these cars could mean that 500000 these guys is riding in the hood. And you saw mother with a bomb, a prostitute.

I look at this fucking guy and that's how it works.

We come from shit, you know, in the fucking sky. Is it because you tap into your what you're supposed to do?

No, we get that. We we have we have we have objectiveness. That's a goal. This motherfucker from down here, he's no better than me. He didn't go to school. I didn't go to school. His mother, Trappy, my mother was on welfare. I could do it.

So yeah. So you just see it. You visualize these guys still in the hood. These guys, they still think they're bad motherfuckers. They got their Cunetio right around here with their shit. Would you try to do some shit to them? Yeah. You see, that's how it is. Yeah. Some of us get inspired.

The fuck I'm in the hood. This guy got a fucking mean on a car driving around here. He's a rapper and I get involved, you know.

Yeah.

And then some of those guys, they're looking for guys that are hungry, wanting to get involved. They look for guys out in the hood, one of their cousins who they know they want to put on the go about being at the right place and having the right desire. You know, everything's timing in life time. There's a lot to do with it.

That's right. I'm sure like my friend, when I started making it, they never said no shit like that.

So they started hanging with me and I always knew them all my life. So we hung out together. And everybody needs to know that you need a job because you can't hang out with me and have no money.

So I put them on the payroll. And now the oldest guy, I've got a job. You don't want to broke motherfuckers around you every time they need a fucking soda or something. They've got to ask you for money and then they get to, you know, they got to come in.

Anything can you hang on any fucking time with anything I've got to ask you for a fucking dollar quarter, we had to make these guys independent of myself.

You know, I could put them on the scene, but they got to be the old man.

And that's how the shit crews go and they go on their own way and they blow up to.

They give it mostly guys in the wrapping. They all know each other because they all helped each other one way or another, that they were friends and even after being friendly, fucking ate beef and they went their separate way, they separate away, but they still made it. You know, it happened. Everybody we're all one.

Everything is one. You know, we're all connected. Even people in China we never met.

We all connected the birds to be the fucking tree, the rock. We're all one.

If the universe is interesting, Tony, I mean, the first time you heard about Mike, what was that? Watching one of his fights? Oh, yeah.

Well, we're from the same neighborhood. Yeah, we're both from Brooklyn.

So, you guys, it's interesting how, you know, you come into each other's lives. Yes.

Well, you know, over and over again, we come around when things Shabana Azmi, we come come fucking really scary fucking unimaginable places. Nigga, you can't imagine. I mean, you can never imagine that we got to walk on a fucking stadium elevator now the elevator walk 20, 20 flight and be careful to fucking my meat in one of those fucking hallways as you're going up to step. Who you my fucking me at twelve in the morning, one in the morning and three in the morning.

You got this weird motherfucker doing whatever a crew of motherfuckers you indicted. Are you coming up? This shit is crazy. This shit is crazy over there man.

But you know how things have changed now in Brooklyn. I can't believe it. It's hard enough times and you can't live the rent as expensive as Manhattan. Yeah. Yeah, my dad lives in Fort Greene. Yes, I was born in Fort Greene, we really didn't come to the hospital. Wow me. Spike Lee, Michael Joy, Spike Lee's dad was all born in the same hospital.

Yeah, I'm big on my money on the line. Yeah, I know. Take me to the same hospital.

Well, why do you guys think so many superstar. Energy, you know, people have come out of that area before they got inspired, they seeing people close to them, they've seen them, seen it happen to them.

If he didn't like the lights, we used to be on the fucking same line of looking for free lunch. Nigga, he thought he blew up no free lunch. Yeah.

Now we're on the same line waiting for a free lunch with not as much fun on television all over the place and planes and shit driving fancy cars, riding around the neighborhood. I can do that shit to let me take this dope money. Let me flip this shit around. Now, I can do this shit, too, because most of those guys in the street, they got more money than a lot of these celebrities don't know what to do.

And they give me the family. Let me keep the money. It gave them kids and their fucking ass, like they're just checking on them, but they don't know, you know, they understand because they they don't feel good about themselves having illegal money and shit. But these guys, these guys, the major superstars themselves, and they will they will be made a Fortune 500 company from Forbes. Man, these guys are geniuses, superstar hustlers. Incredible.

How can they make their fortune?

Either kid, they got so much fucking money they can't even put it in the fucking door, breaks open and crushed them. You know this guy, this is street kid.

The trip. Tony, you've been you've worked with the best of the business. Wow, man, yeah, it's been a it's been a great ride. Like, I've never really worked with, you know, crossed paths a few times, you know, and it's all love and cool.

But this guy who's got a clue, not a clue who they've got a clue is yet another clue. Yeah, that was a real successful mixtape album, you know, shout out to George Clue. And they did a great thing with that.

You know, you put it down for a minute. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. He's still doing this thing.

He's up on the one of five clubs still doing this thing.

So, yeah, that's another part of the film.

And we talk about like, what are you saying? We still hear, man? Like, you got to do a lot of shit what we call the RockMelt.

Did you know about God bless him, man, his son to become black guy back in the day.

Yeah, I never met him, but his son. His son coming through though. Yeah. You're looking good doing this thing.

So we are man.

So on top of the film, you're going to do a mix tape as well, right?

Yeah. Yeah. This album, like a soundtrack to the film and what that is, is basically being a soundtrack.

What was that? Who's going to be in town.

Well, it's a Def Jam thirty five year anniversary album that we're doing with like a soundtrack in conjunction with the film.

So it's going to be like a lot of the Def Jam guys, artists and stuff like that and, you know, to change.

And, you know, it's cool to have we a logic here.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's great man. So, you know, kind of like classic meets current, you know, we're going to revisit some classic Def Jam beats and and maybe get some of the newer Casta like Lamon classics a little bit and vice versa, you know, because some of the maybe the classic artists who got you start, who got you started and who the person he sort of was.

What I want to do on MASH, I mean, it goes way back to like rock steady crew days and watching crazy legs and rock like me, you know, Hispanic kids right there.

Yeah. You know, so Spanish kids like me seeing these kids on screen, like, inspired me, you know, to want to just embrace hip hop as a whole.

I originally I'm a B boy turned deejay turned, you know, producer, see, whatever.

But it started with dancing for me. Shut out Voodoo Ray, my brother Ray, you know, another active dancer in the community. And that's what we represent.

And I'm in New York and I remember when this came out. So you had a bunch of dancers, right? If they had really some kind of beef with you, they wouldn't fight you. But they had a crew, but they had the fighting spirit, the energy of fighting when they were dancing with each other.

And it was just and sometimes other people would get in a fight because it's just so cool, the disrespect grabbing your balls. But you have to the man you make them other people fight.

I say that's where I get my drive from that dance. So you settle it, right? Yeah. We sat through the dance and they might slap each of the five of these might you're good to win. Also feel good knowing they win.

But I'm coming off the fucking chain, dance off, have the biggest fucking brawls in the morning.

You know, somebody to have a stereo. Yeah.

Or even turntables to be music or whatever.

The boom boom box that's fucking and prove the crew around battling people say I'm the best in the fucking city. Yeah.

That's what you started out as well. That's what drew me to my culture. Like I was like, I want to do this, you know. And then I was like, oh, shit, was that dude over there?

Because no, listen, why they doing the crowd around? I mean, you're not doing them. People just walking by the crowd and now they're now they're fucking performing. Yeah. Showing their shit off.

That's exactly what they know now. They show negotiating. They both flip it. Dropping the panther type is you flying in the air. Right. Family guy flying the fucking air man. Incredible. You think to go back for something.

Yeah, it's kind of like the beginning of that parkour. So have you seen the parkour guys are jumping off buildings and stuff and landing on staircase?

Let's take this shit. I want to see this sick. Well, the way that they move these guys, it reminds me of how breakdancers moon crazy.

The NYPD and the words from fucking my me and my friend was saying, no, you get in shape means one step to the alphabet. You some crazy ass white boy made that shit running to get justice for yo man. Almost got a heart attack.

You saw that freerunning. How do you look at these people? They're Spiderman outfit. Yeah. Can you believe this man can be happy with it? Oh, I look at it, my love is. Listen, man, I think back in the 80s, I can see a fuckin breakdancer doing shit. Yeah, yeah, I could because they know how to fall, you know how to fall and move and hit the ground. We can. To carry them.

What are we going to do?

Oh, I think it's dope, though, right? Oh yeah. He reminds me of breakdancer somewhere, you crazy man you can't screw man.

These guys do the most death defying shit if you try. You think they're going to kill himself. Yeah.

For them guys to do the flips and splits and that's another level.

Now, how do they how do you learn to do that? How do you teach yourself that they've never been to school, can't afford to go to school.

How do you teach yourself that you just there in the park working on shit and at home everywhere you are, you're just working on like, how can I stress my body in another way, but look like if you make a mistake, you're going to die.

Yeah. You may think you're going to die.

So true. But people do a lot of stuff. You make a mistake, you're going to die, man.

So what is the question? Yeah, I know the wisest man is doing that.

Are you in the cannabis industry at all? You know, not necessarily. I mean, I still do a radio show on Sirius XM show. Forty five. What's that about? Tuesday night's on our show. Forty five. The Eminem station that we're on Sirius XM. Yeah. So I got my Tuesdays there for about maybe fourteen years now. It's a great show. We premiered a lot of artists, we've broke many artists and we still play underground music and all that like anything goes.

Yeah. What do you think? Who's the biggest artist now?

Oh, wow. Sure. Um hmm.

It's not like he's a man. We used to be Michael Jackson. Sure. Question. Yeah. You know, I mean Whitney Houston.

Yeah, I'm a don. You know who the bigger that. Yeah. You know, right away. Yeah. You. Yes, I have a favorite.

Maybe your favorite is KRS one.

I hate the fucking bombed. No matter where you go, any part of the world, you know, you run into him or he's performing someone. He has an awesome energy sometimes, you know, he changed it up, man.

So me, that's my favorite. I can't say I don't know the biggest. Maybe I guess maybe, you know, to me.

Him, I guess. Yeah, I feel you if I'm gonna go there, you know. But how about you. What's yours? Who's yours or who do you feel.

Who is my biggest. Really. Well, your favorite. Biggest.

Yeah, I don't even know I like Rakhim, I like Public Enemy, you know, I like that stuff too, though.

That's like my. Cannabis, cannabis. Well, that's not that's not mine. He's not my my friend for hip hop.

Those guys are criminal guys. I'm Wendy and I can yeah, I love that she's better than that great conscious rapper like Enquirers Tupac.

Tupac is pretty awesome, too.

Yeah. Biggie big is the best. Yeah. Biggie had great all of them.

You know, so many legends. Guru, he was good to love you miss him.

You put me on like to a lot of stuff like he's a nice guy.

I'm coming along and I got a lot of work man out there, you know, and ponche so much.

I love it. I love him. Yeah, man, now that's fucking awesome, that's one of the best dope brothers.

Well, we appreciate you coming in. Yeah, I was great, man. You guys got me anything.

No, thank you. How do you how do you define the Bethlem rap and how how do you I don't know. You find love from a generation from the time span, yet you say, who's the best I ever heard? It's like fighting. You can never tell the best. Yeah. On a good night. Any rapper could be the best.

That's right. I don't know who he is. One night, if I give them a bath, it probably won't be the guy you think is the best that night.

That's right, yeah. I mean, it's just what you're feeling in that moment. Yes.

Yeah. Depending on the mood. I guess you're right. Yeah.

Well, true. This is true. Great episode, Mike. We've got one this night with smokin talking.

Tony, great to have. Great to meet you, man. Yeah. The man. Amazing man.

Look out for the film, everybody. What's the title. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're in a working title place right now. I still got that tucked away.

But also, you know, what do you think how the world of fucking mixtape dealing with the world of fucking the come the podcast, you know. I mean, yeah.

Yeah. The digital age. Digital age. Yeah. That's what we're you know, we're going to discuss and talk about how it's evolved. Basically, it's like it's just evolved. It turned into that.

Now you've got to learn how to make the Internet or whatever.

You got to make it work for you, you know. Yes. Don't be a slave to it. If that's what's happening, we'll listen and learn it and try to, you know, come up with it or at least stay relevant or at least find a way to just get it off.

Yeah. And make the Internet work for you, which is what basically.

So do you like people more so know about your work than they knew your faith? I mean, they start knowing your faith.

I guess, you know, I would say after like I put out that album in 2000 on Tommy Poverties, I had this major release albums. Pretty, pretty well, it's called The Peacemaker.

And we did a video with total number total rap album. Perfect. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we did that, we did that song in that single. And, you know, I kind of opened up a lot more doors, you know, because it was like my first mixtape album.

So I had a bunch of artists on the album, you know, upon God Bless His Soul proof mean now, you know a lot of people on it.

So it was like a mixed tape album to do well. And that's really what I really like. Solidified, you have consistently show. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got my weekly events in the city and then I travel on the weekends.

MAN one One weekend we thought the weekly gig in the city is a place for all the people I to go.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know where to go in New York. I'm in New York. I stay in the fucking hotel of the house where I'm staying. I don't know what that Goldman was the fucking thing in my mind. I only around the fucking go. I'm scared to go out now.

I don't know the fuck we got to say we're a new I don't know anybody. I'm looking to fuck around scared. Fuck.

Yeah, no, no. We got this event once a month, once a month in New York.

It's called the originals and it's made DJ Clock can't stretch on the clock, stretch down them, which Madina denies.

Yeah, the PDP denies.

So as far as I know, I might have a girlfriend living in the same building with a wowsers man. Yeah. Back in the day. Yeah, I knew everybody back then. They now go to this place. I know where they go.

So we do this party once a month, all of us for like seven years now the DEA, they're bringing in 100000, 60000 people.

I guess the whole thing meant the whole movement. Crazy, bro.

Here we are, both men, men in the front. And I remember he told me in the back. Yes, right. And then the fucking guys for this.

Oh, yeah. So don't touch baby one thing. And the house. How to set man.

All right, Mike. Great episode, my brother. Smoke on all day, every day, smoking, smoke, anything you want people to know, like where they can find you, Instagram, any of that stuff at GE.

Tony, touch everything. Facebook, Instagram.

Awesome story about your life. No shit. You you. What the fuck could be the next film. Like this one out there you go for the next movie you know.

All right, everybody, remember to subscribe on YouTube to our channel Hotbox with Mike Tyson IMAP in Britain, I'm Mike Tyson.

Tony Toka. I'll be here. I'll be all right.

That's what we do.

Tony. I was upset, man. I lost my phone and I think my cigarette.

Do you?