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This is the JoCo Underground podcast, No.9 with Echo, Charles and Me, JoCo Willink, Good evening, Echo. All right.


So last episode we did we were talking about body language, how to read it, how to make sure you aren't sending signals you don't want to send.


But it was from a story almost from a leadership perspective, interpersonal relationships scenario, how you can read somebody you're negotiating like this kind of thing. Right.


And as I started thinking about that, I started thinking about so going from that end of the spectrum, which is, hey, I'm trying to negotiate conversation, whatever. I'm trying to trying to communicate with you verbally. Go to the other end of the spectrum. And you end up in different situations and in it from a simplistic from a very extremely overly simplistic view.


There's all these different categories of people in the world, and there's. Two categories of people that we may or may not fall into at certain times that we should think about when it comes to body language, when it comes to.


Posture when it comes to perception, and that is predator and prey. What do criminals look for? So we don't want to be prey, obviously. What do criminals look for? And there was a quote in their serial killer, Ted Bundy admitted in a personal interview in nineteen eighty five that he could tell a victim, by the way she walked down the street, the tilt of her head, the manner in which she carried herself.


He's observing the way she's walking and her posture, and that's how he's selecting his victims.


Victim selection research corroborates the reality that criminals do in fact, look for or at least notice certain traits when selecting potential victims. While nothing excuses crime. Knowledge is power in the sense that these things, these that there are things we can do to protect ourselves when we're not alone. That ties back from just this extreme end of the spectrum of, hey, we don't want to be a we don't want to be a victim. But it also these same these same postures, the same physical presentations that we make of ourselves, they apply everywhere.


Look, and we'll get to it. So from a leadership perspective, how we carry ourselves, the body language that we have, the way we walk actually also has an impact.


So. There's an experiment, and this is another article that Dr. Patrick wrote about, it was called Do You Walk Like a Victim? So they did this experiment.


They had one hundred and twenty six men who had been tested on something called the dark tetrad traits.


Dark Tetrad or tetrad means group four.


Here's the four traits psychopathology, which means you are antisocial and you lack a conscience for. And look, I'm not a psychologist, but that's the general meeting Machiavellianism, which means how calculating are you? How manipulative are you? Narcissism, how self obsessed and egotistical are you?


And then sadism, like how much do you like to hurt people?


So you can see if you start if you're hiding all those traits, you're not a good person. You've got some issues. And you're obviously when you hire you on the scale, the more you're out as a predator. So they took these guys, these men who had been kind of measured for these, and then they showed these guys, you know, individually videos of eight women who are walking down like a hallway from behind.


So you don't see their face. You can't really judge their face. You're just purely based on how they walk and. The question was, had the woman that you're seeing walk, has she been victimized in the last five years? So they watch a woman walk and then they say, do you think that woman's been victimized in the last five years? Guess what?


The guys that scored high in the dark tetrad, they could identify ones that had been victims.


Milk shake your head because that's scary.


That is very frightening. Yes, disturbing. Yeah. Yeah, it's like like people who score high on this, right, some psycho facelessness seems like, yeah, this is a cycle. Yeah.


If you score really high on this year, you've got issues where they just know because let's face it, the the person that got victimized knows they got victimized for sure, but they don't know that they're just basically wearing it with how they walk, like just advertising it.


Like they don't know that they're doing that. Yeah.


And that was one thing that I thought through. This is an interesting point, which does it wasn't covered in the article. If you get victimized, do you walk differently now? You see what I'm saying? So that could also be a secondary thing where you've been victimized.


So now you walk differently, which is possible?


Yeah, I would imagine so when you kind of think about it. Yeah. But I guess maybe like your mind kind of goes to shoot. What else am I just like showing to everybody. That's exactly right in my head, you know.


And here's what here's what else is interesting is even though it's these people that have this dark, these dark characteristics about themselves, those people can read it easy more easily, but everyone can read it.


That's what hit me is like no matter who you are, you can sense what attitude the person just, by the way, that they are walking the based on their gait, their stride length, the way they shift their weight, how much your feet move laterally. There's all these little details.


So so there's that.


And then there was this then there was the original article continued on. They they did this where they took a group of prison inmates and they ran the experiment twice. But they showed these prison inmates who had been convicted of stranger assault.


Right. Not not domestic violence, not I beat up my friend, not I met someone in a bar and got in a fight, but stranger assault where assaulting somebody. And this is from simple assault all the way up to murder.


And they had these tapes that they made of people walking through New York City.


And what they did was try to figure out.


Who these violent criminals would attack and there was a couple of things, the the I like this one, the non victims people that the the perpetrators would look at and say, I would I probably wouldn't assault that person.


They had something called that they called organized quality. So the person just looks organized. So that is a little excerpt of what we are doing on the JOCO Underground podcast. So if you want to continue to listen.


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