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This is the JoCo Underground podcast, number 12 with Echo, Charles and me, JoCo Willink. Good evening, Echo. Good evening. Also joining us tonight is Darrell Cooper. Good evening, Darrell.


After. Everyone is insane. Everyone is insane.


I have been thinking about this lately, the clinical definition of insanity is a mental illness of such a severe nature that a person cannot distinguish fantasy from reality, cannot conduct their affairs due to psychosis or is subject to uncontrollable, impulsive behavior.


That's the clinical definition of insanity, and I was reading about someone recently that was clinically insane, and then I was also reading a book about a particular general during a war who he wasn't maybe clinically insane to this level, but his actions started to make me think that he actually does have some level of insanity because he couldn't distinguish fantasy from reality.


So let's break this down a little bit, because I think I'm right, what I think is everyone's insane on some level.


So first of all, think about this. The first section there cannot distinguish fantasy from reality, cannot distinguish fantasy from reality.


OK, so you get the stereotypical person on the street that's yelling at a telephone pole or whatever. Right. They're delusional. They don't think other people can see what they're doing. They think they're more capable than they are.


You know, that's that's kind of the thing that could be an off. This whole idea was this this particular military general who was doing things, who didn't understand the reality of the situation that he was in, just didn't understand it. So cannot distinguish fantasy from reality. That's part one, part two cannot conduct affairs due to psychosis.


What does that mean? That means you're not doing what you're supposed to be doing. You're not doing what you're supposed to be doing. Is there anyone listening to this echo, Charles? Is there any day that you don't exactly do what you're supposed to be doing? Does that ever happen? You don't conduct your affairs the way you're supposed to. Does that ever happen to you, Darryl? Has there ever been a day where you didn't quite conduct the affairs you were supposed to do?


Well, yes, no comment. OK, subject to uncontrollable, impulsive behavior.


Do we even need to ask that question right? What about a donor who what about a piece of pizza?


What about the anger? What about the smashing of the whatever the the the kitchen counter?


Uncontrollable, impulsive behavior, you can't stop yourself from doing that thing at that moment.


And here's the other part of this, and it's not part of the definition, but I looked it up and it is it is part of insanities that insane people don't know that they're insane.


They don't know that they're insane. They're not aware of it, and this is another thing, reading about this particular military leader who didn't realize what was happening, he didn't see how obviously mistaken he was with the moves that he was making, like anybody on the outside would look and say, oh, yeah, this guy is clearly making mistake after mistake after mistake.


And he didn't even realize he didn't even realize it.


And I think what happens is what that reminded me of is that you're if you allow your head to be an echo chamber for your own ideas and your own thoughts, and you only let those thoughts rattle around in there, it's not going to go well after a while. It ends up in a feedback loop. Was that a positive feedback loop? It's a positive feedback loop. It's feedback on a on a on an amplifier.


What does that mean? It means we need to be able to detach, you know, if you want to if you want to distinguish fantasy from reality as a human, you've got to detach from the situation you're in. If you want to conduct affairs, regardless of how you're feeling, feeling, you got to detach from that.


If you want to overcome your impulsive behaviors, you've got to detach. You've got to be able to take a step back and detach. And by the way, if you don't do that, you don't realize your own psychosis.


And this is similar from a leadership perspective, if you're in an echo chamber, from a leadership perspective. If I'm the leader and I'm coming up with ideas and echoes of yes men and there was a yes man in there saying you're both great ideas.


That sounds great. Let's let's go ahead and do that.


And no one questions me. No one pushes back. We're called an echo chamber of ideas and we're going to fail or chances are we're going to fail.


So we need to push back against ourselves, we need to question ourselves, we need to remember that the reality that we see, the reality that we actually see with our own two eyes looks different from other people's eyes.


And you need to see if you can see what they are seeing.


You've got to remember how things look compared to what other people think they look like.


You got to remember that this idea of being insane is something that we all have a tendency to lean towards.


Right? We fail to identify or accept reality.


It's one of the things I was talking about with a bunch of businesses as as covid kicked off.


There were some people that were going to go, we want to be locked down. This can't last. So fast forward six months, three months, one year.


People didn't accept the reality that they were facing. What we're just going to keep doing things. It doesn't work. So so we have a tendency to fail. We fail to accept reality. We have a tendency to fail to do what we're supposed to do.


We have the we have a tendency to fail to conduct our affairs.


That's a tendency that we all have. We have a tendency to fail to control impulsive behavior. These are things that everyone no one can deny these things.


And we don't even recognize and realize what we're doing, so we don't even see that little bit of psychosis setting in, we don't even see we don't even see that little bit of psychosis setting in where we are actually losing touch with reality.


Our heads in an echo chamber and the echo chamber amplifies the lies that we're telling ourselves. It amplifies our problems, prevents solutions. So what we have to do is we have to detach. We have to ask questions. We have to listen. Don't be a yes man to yourself, don't let that happen. Don't let that happen, so insanity. What do you think, Darryl? Am I wrong? You're not wrong. I think one of the one of the most interesting things, interesting points to make to people in this respect is just like so many other qualities about people.


Right. Take courage. For example, you know, some guys who would run into a firefight at the drop of a hat to rescue their friend, but they just they don't have the courage to stand up to their wife when she's acting in a certain way or something like that. Right. It's domain specific and insanity is often domain specific. It makes me think of this this one woman I knew very well. I still know her. She's a she's a she's a great person, very intelligent.


Philosophy degree, master's degree, graduated with honors and philosophy. She works in education. She's been a teacher, vice principal and administrator. And she's the best bureaucrat that anybody who has ever worked with her has ever seen. She's great at her job. Everybody who knows her, she's she's brilliant. She's great. She's just a normal person. I knew her very, very well.


And she had a touch of paranoia that she was an anxious person, a little bit paranoid. Now, some people are paranoid. They think people are talking about me behind my back when they're really not interested. That's a version of it. Right. But. So that is a little excerpt of what we are doing on the JOCO Underground podcast. So if you want to continue to listen.


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