Transcribe your podcast

Hello, hello, how are you? Hi. Hello, how are you? I'm so excited to talk to you. Oh, well, you'll get over that soon enough. Welcome to literally it's me, I'm very excited I say that a lot, don't I?


It will point you're going to be and he says that every single time I turn on to the show. But it's true. I won't be doing if I wasn't excited about it. And I have the great Catherine O'Hara. On the podcast today, I mean, when you think of just iconic, amazing industry, she's a character actor, is diminishing because she's not she's an she's an actor, a great actor, but her character work is unparalleled, whether it's her work in every genius Christopher Guest movie or the Home Alone franchises or her work at CTV or currently in Schitt's Creek, where she just won an Emmy.


Oh, nothing. She's a stud and she's somebody that I've never met before.


So you get to see me start a history with somebody brand new live in your earhole.


And that's about to begin right now.


And I hope you like the talk as much as I like to have it.


I'm in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada, where my husband and sons are working on a show called it for Apple. My husband is a production designer who designed the sets and one son is in construction and the other set is a set dresser.


So they got into show business against all your all the barriers you surely hopefully put in their way now after they quit college.


They're both they're both dropouts. So we thank God we could get them to work somewhere.


I, I wake up in the with cold sweats sometimes because one of my kids is in the business and then the the other is sort of flirting with it with but at least he's got a law degree so.


But you know, congratulations. I know I don't, I don't know how that great happened.


I really I, I suspect I've always suspected that on one of those locations that, you know, and I love my wife and I say this with all respect, but I do think that maybe there was something going on with a really smart pool guy.


It's the only it's the only thing that makes any real sense. There are tests for that sort of thing. I know, I know, but I think you trust her. I think you trust her.


I do. But that said, if I were if I were, who's the redheaded prince who were convinced that Prince Charles isn't his father? That one, you know? Oh, yeah.


Yeah, I would. To read it.


And what world has somebody not gotten a hair out of that brush? And go on to like twenty three and me or what the fuck it is and figured it out. I mean that would be awesome money. I think that's great. He does have his nose. He has his nose. Charles nose. Yeah, he's got that ginger fighter pilot face, though it does red hair immediately go to kids or go to kids and this is not my first look.


Does it go that we all talk Donald Trump now?


Does it go to kids that were they want to know, do children automatically inherit red hair? Is that better?


No, I think it pops up where I think it pops up weirdly. Oh. Oh, I think I don't know.


This is what this is. This is why I'm the worst podcast in the history of podcasts, because I get a genius like you with a with a storied career.


And all I want to do is talk about obscure DNA and red hair popping up and people all across the country right now, people are getting off the treadmills and going, this guy is the fucking worst. I've had it. I want Jason Bateman. Give me DAX Shepard.


Rob, let's talk about anything but.


But the obvious. Well, you I, I was I was doing my little research on on you and I came across an interesting quote. You said your whole family was funny. How does that happen? No one in my family is funny.


Yes, they are. You must have beaten it out of them or somebody did. But your family was actually funny. Everybody. Yeah, they really are. They still are. Yeah, they still are. Six, six brothers and sisters. My parents are gone. God bless them. But I have six brothers and sisters and they all think and know they could be doing comedy.


I know they are, they're funny but but it was always I think we're born funny and I think you either, you know, unfortunately have life beat it out of you or or you. It's encouraged and you're fortunate enough to have it encouraged. And my parents, I think was that was the sexiest thing about them, is them making each other laugh right to the end, no matter what they were going through, you know, and the longer you live, you go through a lot of stuff.


And they did. And and they just always found a way to laugh about it always. And my dad used to like, you know, during dinner, you go to the bathroom and come back with a funny hairdo. Really. So he was silly, too, because there's. Oh, yeah. Very silly. I think silly.


Funny is is very underrated. Yeah, not really. Well yes. OK, I won't disagree. Sorry, but you know, you look at the Jerk or Kevin Dumber or I mean who else. Who else. Jim Carrey. Ace Ventura.


Ace Ventura. Pet Detective. Yeah. Silly but intelligently done. Anything really well done is is well done I think.


But just having just the notion of your dad walking into the bathroom and coming out with a hairdo apropos of nothing is really genius.


That's the way it was. Yeah I do. I do a ridiculous walk in at the end of best in show business. Yes. Oh I know the walk well. It's great. I just walk in the night before we shot this Chris guest said, OK, well you have to, you know, something has to happen, you have to fall so that you can show the dog with his two left feet. And and so we talked about, you know, falling, whatever.


And then I said and he said, what do you imagine afterwards? We can can I do this?


And I walked away from just a yes. Yes.


And that is my dad's walk that he would talk about my dad, but my dad would do that in a parking lot or wherever he walk ahead of us to do that walk. So everyone in my family does it like there are people that I got to do it. I felt that's amazing.


Well, listen, here's what I love about your dad.


And I didn't get a chance to know him, and I'm sad about it is he clearly didn't care what other people who were in the same parking lot.


We're looking for that poor man.


What's now wrong with them at speed? I'm sorry. One more thing about my dad and parking lots is at one point our car. I don't know what kind of car he was driving, but if we turn left, the horn would go off. So I remember driving out of a church parking lot and then he turned left and the horn went off and my dad said, everybody wave.


So we all waved out the window as if he was talking to somebody that he knew. So we all waved to everyone.


He's but he's Canadian, so. And Canadians are funny. You guys.


You're funny. Everyone is. I would you like to come to Dayton, Ohio, spend some time and spend some time with the folks I grew up with, really nice people, not fun. Are you there now?


Are you there now? No, I. My dad is still there. My dad's still practicing law. And it's not funny at all. I guess if it takes me that long to answer, the answer's no. Do his friends think he's funny? Which is even worse. Because there's nothing that here's the thing that makes my skin crawl. Ready for this is oh, I got a great joke. You're going to love this when I hear that phrase.


Oh. I literally started to jump out of my own skin. Oh, I've never set up a joke with oh, is this ever funny? You got to hear. No, but they do it all the time because they laughed at it when somebody told it to them.


And they think it's just going to come out of them the same way they deliver it and get the same laugh. So going where do you hear this that's coming through me now?


Unfortunately, yeah. I don't like the presale of the story. The other one is when it's like, oh, I just one second. But this is this is such a great story.


You've got to hear this I. You never get nervous or somebody tells you pitches an idea for anything, you know, they say, what about this idea? I get really nervous that I'm not going to love it. And it's just you can hardly hear anything. I love it already. Yeah.


What do you say here's here's I think we can stop this as a culture is the minute they say, oh, this is really funny, you just go, I'll be the judge of that. Yes. Just just hit them with it. Right. We'll see for you. Price for me. I don't know. Yeah. Or if if you're telling a long joke or if you've heard a long joke and you thought it was really funny and you'd like to repeat it, do you really milk it when it's one of those jokes that require a lot of milkin of the story kind of by the end, you think, and really all of that for that punch line.


But some people can really just. Make a meal out of it, as they say, or I will just kind of get lazy and go end this happens. Yeah, and the doctor came in and said, here are the results. I'm laughing. Oh, you're good. I know. OK, so I want to ask you about this. So. Oh, I grew up as an SNL guy. Right. And but all my friends were SC TV freaks, but I could never get a TV.


I could never find it. And I wanted to find it so badly.


You didn't stay up late enough.


Is that what it was, where there was this thing, this TV thing you speak of, where was is as you speak of it, was on a thing called the television. Yes. OK, good. All right. I'm with you back when we all never mind.


And it was on either before or after Saturday Night Live, a lot of stations. But more often than that, it would be like after to the night show or something and be on at 1:00 a.m..


So because I got Don Kirshner's Rock concert. Oh, yeah. The Midnight Special and the midnight special. So that's what I got after us now. But I because I always wanted to see what everybody was somehow people. But they're not they're not rivals. Right. You feel like it's a rival thing.


No, no. We were not in the same league. We were never in the same league. They were the prime time players. Right. Saturday Night Live. And well, most of them were our friends and had been at Second City. That's right. Yeah. And we knew most of them, but we were so happy for them. And at different times I remember they were talking to John Candy, God bless him about doing it or so.


So they might sort of put out feelers were like, oh yeah, yeah. But I think the TV producers, you know, they of course they tried doing a sketch television show years ago. It's called Tunnel or Tunnel Vision, but it's not. Chevy Chase was involved, Bill Murray and a bunch of second city people and and it hadn't gone anywhere. I think they did it with the Lampoon people. And and then so finally, because Saturday Night Live was doing so well, such a giant hit, then our producer said, wait a minute, we've had it.


We have you know, we have such a big load of of talent from all the years of Second City. Why aren't we doing this? And we just happened to be the cast at the time. We were there at the right time, right place, and we got to do it, but no, I don't think we could. No, we're no competition. No, it's not like the fact that we didn't have to do it with an audience.


We could take our time and play with things and rewrite them. And we had more control as a cast way more control than the cast has on Saturday Night Live.


So that we would would make it much. Not not easier. It's never easy to be funny in those those I mean, the people that came out of that farm team, I mean I mean, you had Gilda there.


You knew Gilda, you know, Gilda Radner for gosh, God bless her. Yeah, she is my I met her through my brother Marcus. They dated and they were in a theater called Global Village Theater in Toronto, downtown. And we got to go downtown from the suburbs and see them. That was very exciting. It's very exciting, isn't it? And then Gilda Gilda got into Godspell and my sister Mary Margaret.


God, but wait, wait, wait, hang on.


I want to savor that. Can I just savor because that I just was overwhelmed with 70s vibes just now.


Gilda Darcy got into gods who didn't in the 70s, who wasn't in it. Godspell. Oh, my God.


In Toronto is Victor Garber. Like Jesus. No way. Eugene took over for a blader. Eugene was in the casket, had an afro like Shreiber, Burns and Schriver. Nobody knows you're too young. Yeah. Euge was it Andre Martin? Was it a Dave Thomas? Was it Marty Short? Was it. They were always saved. Second City people. Yeah, they were on Godspell. Mary Margaret was a great singer and I auditioned. We got callbacks, but we can get in and I think we even I even copied what Gilda had some for her typically do.


She said for her audition that I get yelled at and then Gilda got into Second City and Mary Margaret and I were waitresses at Second City. We just followed Gilda everywhere.


Yeah, it was lovely to come and hang out with our family, you know, on the dark night and Sunday nights, Monday, whenever they were not working at Circuit City to come and hang out. We have home videos of her doing improvs with my mom and dad, my sisters and brothers. And she was really sweet. When I turned 17, she gave me her gift, was seventeen coupons for me. I wish I knew where they were.


One of them was, I will do the dishes for you. I will make college. I will take you shopping. Cute little life like coupons.


Did you ever, did you ever cash in those coupons.


No kidding. Even then I do. This is Gilda Radner. Hang on to this.


I would have stood up at the audience at SNL and said, hey, fancy girl, you got to do my dishes.


I'm hungry. I'm like, please, were you a good audition or a bad audition you auditioned for?


I love finding out if people are are good at audition because a lot of actors are not at all and some are really good at it.


I'm not someone that was my brother Michael told me about a book called Audition. Do you know that I'm going to have to read it now. Michael Shurtleff, Michael Shurtleff, he also does or did acting classes and really, really good advice on auditioning. And in his book, you said Robert De Niro was an awful auditioner. I thought, well, that gave me hope. But yeah, I was really bad. And I actually auditioned for a Robert DeNiro movie once, and he was there, of course.


And there was a, you know, bank of people there. And I'm sitting in a chair and the scene I was reading in that scene, Robert DeNiro and his wife were in bed. So instead of sitting there reading the scene, I got down like this to look like I was in bed. Oh, my gosh, it's amazing.


You can see is a really flat that is well, I don't know how I feel about I relate.


I don't know how I feel about this because, you know, sometimes as a producer, I'm you know, I'm on the other end of the casting and I always feel nervous for the actors and I want them to do great.


Yeah. And I've seen actors come in and like, there's a scene in a car. Right. And I and I don't know how I feel about the actors who act like they're driving a car fake. They they manufacture fake steering wheel and move it.


And I'm like, oh, I mean I get it but I don't know. Yeah. Like I did with the bed. It does a good thing with the bed at work. And also the weird thing about auditioning. But there's nobody's come up with a better idea, but they they really wrong. Thing about it is when you're auditioning, all the focus is on you and when you're on a set, the focus is on everyone, everyone on the crew, everyone in the scene.


Everyone, you know, it's a shared occupation, you know, shared focus, but not when you're auditioning, so it's so unnatural in that way. It also took me until I was in my late 30s to realize that I shouldn't go into a meeting. This I don't think I actually was ever going to a meeting as opposed to an audition. And then you get to a certain point in whatever career you might have and they think, oh, we won't make you audition.


We'll just have you come in for a meeting. But I was never good at that. And it took me till really into my late 30s to realize that maybe I should go into that meeting completely as myself, that maybe I should take some aspect of the character and. You know, how would I be that way or how would I think that way or see that way? I'd still be myself, but I would feed them a bit of, you know, my potential as the character.


But until then, I was just. No matter what the role, I would go. It is the same goofus. What are you good meetings you're good at are. Well, here's my problem is even worse, I feel like I'm good in meetings and I have a great time and I come out of them and I never get the job. That's.


Oh, yeah, it's even worse, I think. Yeah. I mean, I'd rather know I was bombing in the room, so maybe I could work on it, but I make a lot of friends when it goes well.


Yeah you have no you know they'll say, oh you're great. We love meeting, we love meeting them. Why don't you tell us. Tell us what. What you know, how do we blow it or why? Or had you already cast it before you brought forty people in?


Well, you know, they say it's show business is the one industry where you could die from enthusiasm, die of enthusiasm.


You know, it's like it really it. But you're you're so right about giving them a little bit of.


Of something, it's kind of like the thing it's you're going to do a net, you're going to you're it's Westworld, you might be in West, the new season of Westworld. And so you go to meet with everybody here at HBO.


And. They're not going to make you come and read for it, of course, after all season five, it was season one. But but if I went in and chaps. Like, if I just rolled in to Mr. Chow's for the lunch meeting and chaps, this sort of what we're talking about, right, it's like it's me, but there's some something about being a.


Right, or no, that's too on the nose, cowboy hat, jaunty cowboy.


I think if I was casting, I would think I would give you points for effort and enthusiasm, definitely. But I think it's more like a you know, if you're going to play one of those kind of robot, kind of I don't know what those people are or what you would order or you're built like that, they're so that you would cut. Yes, I would like a salad. Oh, good a place. Give me a Caesar salad, I met with Catherine and it seemed like she'd had a stroke.


The feedback you get, like I've got, I've got that could take a lot.


Hold that thought. We'll be right back. Schitt's Creek is so genius, everybody knows that I don't need to tell you it's amazing and you're amazing and found that you have found where to watch that. Well, that's one of the things I wanted to talk about, because that show's journey is is one of the things that, look, I spent a lot of time pissing on show business for good reason. But the other the other great thing about show business is you truly don't know when the next magical thing is going to happen.


And that's what's so great about it. And that that show found its way into the zeitgeist against all odds is is one of the great things about what we do really, truly. Now, we were really this whole Colvert thing worked out really well for us.


That's right. Everybody stuck at home and. People are watching anything they hear about and the people who do watch our show, we're watching our show already are so loving and kind that they badger everyone they know to watch the show. So then suddenly people are stuck at home like, OK, I'll watch it. So that and the fact that Netflix started that, that made a world of difference the day Netflix started showing her show made a big, big difference.


But people really are stuck at home. And also we turned out to be the Rose family, and our show turned out to be a strangely good example for people of how to live with your grown children and get to know each other when you're stuck at home for like good length of time. We're actually it's so. In keeping with what so many people are living through and, you know, there's the whole lovely passivity aspect of our show and and and there's just a lot of it's really written with love, like Daniel Levy wanted to create a world we want to live in.


And I'd like to live there, too. And I I also liked a quote I read of yours. You said you wanted to help design a character that was going to make you interested in playing her for more than in one season. And boy, did you ever do that.


I mean, that they allowed me to speak like an alien that really helped. They were they were there. Not a lot of people who just go along with it. And I'd like to wear a different wig and every seat, please. OK, so now what about you? When you take on you've done lots of series. When you start out on a role, do you not get scared of of creating something that you won't want to live with, let alone never mind what other people will think, but what you will stay interested in will keep you excited and.


Yeah. Yeah. How do you go about that? Well, I've kind of come to a place where. I accept the challenge of that, if you're going to be on a long running television show that on TV you live a character and in movies you play a character. So movies, it's such a finite time. You know, you're going to go in and you're going to wrap and you know what it is. But on TV show just the volume of hours you're playing that character.


Over time, you're living it. You're you're you're some days you're sick, some days you're happy, some days you're you can't wait to get home to see the kids are the days is a national tragedy unfolding on the news. But you're on the stage. But whatever goes on your you're going to experience it while you're playing the character. Yeah. And and that to me is what keeps it from being who keeps it fresh is that that you write the amount of the amount of time you're playing that character, you're inevitably going to experience a range of real life emotions because on a movie you can just put all that aside for six weeks or whatever, but you can't do it when you're doing a TV show.


No. And I think you're, you know, with good writing, you you are allowed to have new experiences and. Find out about yourself and you do go through changes if if if the writing allows it. Yeah. So you aren't actually you're not actually stuck like I I'm afraid I was going to be or what any of us were going to be when we first signed on. Yeah. You're not you're not actually stuck. Good writing.


So is it true that you modeled your characters? Look after my good friend Daphne Guinness.


Are you friends with kids? Because I like them, right? Well, she's wild. Why? I don't know her personally, but her determination to look different and amazing and strong, her jaw, armor like jewelry that she wears. Yeah, that's all true.


That's all who she is. So for those of you out there who are just discovering Google, Daphne Guinness, she's one of the great characters, extraordinary characters.


I went Aaron Sorkin and I did a few good men together in the West End. And Daphne came to the show and we struck up a friendship. And so I've known her ever ever since. What's she like?


Exactly, she delivers on exactly what you want her to be like, right? So she's very ethereal, very beautiful. Yeah, very ageless. Like she can be from any age or be any age.


Yeah. Yeah. And I have a friend who talks about Daphne coming to visit them on the beach in Mozambique in the high heat of the summer and looking up the beach and seeing her and seven inch black platform heels, black leather pants. Bedazzled sleeves. And jewelry and hair and huge sunglasses, and that's I mean, well, you know what she is? She's a female Karl Lagerfeld. There's a lot of that, right?


I wore some Karl Lagerfeld, the fingerless gloves on the show several times.


Yeah. Yeah, she's she's a big believer and fingerless gloves. She's a def. You can see. I want to see her pictures of her. You know how much she inspired me and our wardrobe department, Deborah Hansen and Daniel Levy, who had a big hand in it. Yeah, I signed on to do the role and then Eugene and Daniel invited me to lunch to talk about, you know, details. And I brought my iPad with I looked at recently.


It was like a hundred and fifty pictures of the kids.


How did you know? How did you know about Daphne? How did you find how did on your radar.


I discovered it just. Some somebody blessed me with that, I was just looking for looks. I know somebody here. Lisa Eisner. Yes, Lisa. Yes. Designs amazing jewelry and she's just a great character. And she dresses really wild and strongly all the time. And and so I was looking up looking for her for outfits because I wanted to bring pictures of her to Daniel and Eugene. And I don't know, maybe I looked at black and white because I do love black and white.


I look black and white something or extreme dressing or urban or exotic dressing or whatever. And found a picture of it again is like, oh my God, who is this woman? Yeah. And then brought that one hundred fifty pictures and Daniel took the iPad and started running through them. Dad.


Yes. Yes.


How great though that you have a collaborator though in Daniel. Yes. Who who who is open to that vision and gets it.


Yeah. And makes it happen. Actually executes it. You know, because I'm sure you've had this where you, you know, you have meetings with wardrobe or the director, producer or whatever before you take a role and then you show up for your first fitting and everyone says yes. But it's amazing when you're talking anything creative that you're not actually seeing, even when you see sometimes, but when you talk creative ideas and everyone thinks they're on the same page and everybody's.


Yeah. Oh, yeah, let's do that. Yeah, great. OK, so then with wardrobe, you show up on that first day and there's a rack full of. The most foreign looking things to to what the conversation was, just what what was there anything here? Let's start with oh, maybe that skirt truth just so that's happened so many times. So it's one thing for me to come in with pictures of Daphne Guinness. I didn't have to shop.


I don't have to find everything. I didn't have to put it together, accessorize it. And I think that was all Deborah Hanson and Daniel Levy. And we had to have authentic high end, you know, clothes from you can't fake. No, no. They didn't mix up expensive Zara and HLM once in a blue moon, you know, especially for Annie stuff, if it's a cute little dresses and things. But overall, no, I was wearing like ten thousand dollar boots, but Daniel and Deb Hanson would shop all year online and have stuff in their dream.


Kurts waiting for prices to go down. So because we don't have that budget, we didn't have a budget. Did you keep any of it? You must have kept some of the good stuff, I'm hoping.


Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. They were very kind about that. Keep waiting for a bill to be sent and they haven't done it yet. So I'm going to just go with they've given it to me.


Here's what you need to do now. There is a an Academy Award, a double Academy Award winning actress who shall go unnamed and there and in. It's her rule that if she asks her character and touches anything on the set, it's hers. So you guys can all do the math and try to figure out who this is, it shouldn't be too hard. But the the rule it's called. That's her name rule. And so I think you need to invoke that rule.


Well, I didn't have to. I worked with the levy gentleman. They just Canadian Canadians idiots. Yeah. And at the end of the racks and racks of amazing things, but I can't pull off most of it. I'm not my character, but there were so many beautiful pieces. You know, we were evacuated last October, thank God not this year, but evacuate at 3:00 in the morning last year. And as you do, you run to the house if you have an organized things like, look, I didn't you know, you run for the house looking for passports and documents and pictures of your babies and baby pictures for the kids and just all that stuff.


And I kept running by this rack of moire clothes.


And as I was looking for the other things you're supposed to have, like, I can't know. I know I'm not there. So I grab like eight, ten pieces of clothes and the Zubowski booties, they're just so cool, like the baby pictures of myself, of the kids, Givenchy booties and baby pictures.


I was happy to have them because you never know. Thank God we were spared. But you got to have some things that, you know, not just documents and passports, but things that remind you of joyful times. Yeah, Easy said for me we were spared. What evacuation was this?


Was this the fires?


Yeah. The Getty. The Getty fire. Oh, the Getty fire. Yeah. Because we're we're in Brentwood. Very close. It was very close up of Tigertail. Yeah. Sad. Very sad. Yeah.


I know. What I also want to ask you about. You had a Paul Lynde imitation, is this true? When I was nine or 10, who did I? Yeah, there you go. No, yeah, I only did men for my dad. Make them laugh. Make them laugh. Oh yeah. What was his was like that. I think that's really good. Now you don't understand. They're making a Paul Lynde movie and I'm oh I'm so disappointed that I'm not playing Poland really.


I feel like it's a role I was born to play.


It's quite quickly. I know. Right? Well, where to where. I don't know.


I don't know. Well, how do you know you're not. Because I think I read someone was playing it, I want to feel it was like Greg Kinnear or somebody I don't know, I I need to get on this.


I don't you think? I mean, yes, you don't you don't.


You want to see a movie like that takes place up Mount Olympus, off off Laurel Canyon and nineteen seventy six with me is Paul Lynde, doing whippets with pool boys and then rushing off to the Farmer's Daughter Bar next to CBS Television City, getting up and then going.


And I mean, that's a movie I want to do.


And how happy with Paul m.b knowing you're playing him. How flattering is that. That would be wonderful. Yeah.


I think he'd like that. I mean I think you should let people know. Center square. Who else do you do.


Do I do I do some of the usuals, the Clinton and the Chris Walkathons you know.


Oh excellent. I do lawn. Of course he doesn't do lawn. I think I haven't gotten through. We were almost going to get to this podcast without me doing lawn.


This was going to be the first one. Oh really? And now you've led me into it. You you've led me into it. You on the mouth is going already. It's already started.


I once asked because I have a son.


Matthew. I know you have a son. Matthew yes. So then I was trying to think of another name for my second son and I was really struggling because, you know, names have a meaning and you're like, oh, I like this name. But I knew a guy in seventh grade who was a dick who had that name. So that names that you right. You go through all that stuff.


And I was really struggling with the name and I was on the phone with Lauren and and he said, my advice I think the Kings names work best already means that that's great.


That's great. And that's the greatest. Excellent. All right. He also said I was designing my house because, Rob, the thing is, when you get older, you'll find yourself being drawn to wood wood.


Is that does he say it's that thing? A lot of things that men don't misunderstand. It's that thing.


Really good cheese. So you're actually doing lawn. You're not doing Dana Carvey doing lawn or right wing lawn. Yeah, you're actually doing lawn.


Did you go to the Tate Modern when you were in London and see the haystacks there? Breathtaking.


That's great. I know I'll never get him on the show now.


He'll never come on an Emmy. And he's going to be. Yes, he will. Sure.


He's he's become the great white whale of what started out as Bruce Springsteen. And it's quickly morphed into to Lorne. And like once if I ever then I can, like, retire from my ill fated podcasting career, get launched in the end of it.


Did you already get. You know, now I've gotten him either, but I'm here.


I'm going to make him sound like a Warner Brothers. He's doing a lot of stuff right now.


If you had a lot of interviews right now, this I know the new album is insane.


It's so good. And the and the documentary where they're all in the studio, the studio of A Thousand Guitars gets, you know, you Springsteen.


I've seen them. I've seen them.


Did you ever see his show Ben Stiller, Judd Apatow produced about two years ago. You guys know what it is where he plays Springsteen and everyone's gone home and he is cleaning the floor, the outlives everyone that.


And of course, Ben, when he does, Tom Cruise, who I also do. Oh, yes.


In fact, my early there was when I when I started on Parks and Recreation, there was a minute and a half where they were writing my Tom Cruise impersonation into Chris Trager. But it didn't really take it wasn't really it wasn't it didn't really fit what we were doing. But but Mike Shuster, who created Parks and Rec, was very enamored with my crew's impersonation, which really, you know, how like sometimes you only have one bit in the entire impersonation is literates.


One bit you have one movie. That's it. But it's a good move and it works. Right.


So mine was Tom ordering water at a restaurant. That was my entire time cruise, because it was true, I mean, I vividly remember this as an 18 year old kid going, oh, oh, that's a thing. And it's just the notion of like having a nice conversation with somebody over the table. And then the waiter comes up and says, you know, what would you like? And you're like, I think I was like, water.


I like it in a glass. I would like lemon in it. I would like to be room temperature. Anyway, and just like like super intense and specific about something like that, not for a laugh. Oh, no, no, no. Super wow. Like like like. Wow. Yeah. So there was a minute where where my character did that kind of stuff.


And then we're like, that's great.


That's great. Wow. You're good at this. Geez. Have you ever played the game. Are sure used to make us play all the time where you give each other people to do that you've never done and you have to try to do them. That's really scary. Oh I did once on that on The Tonight Show, I got Jay Leno to agree to do it and. Oh, and the other cast shaped was. Oh, lucky guy that was in the air is Australian actor Hugh Jackman, is there?


No, no, nobody is Russell Crowe. That's good. That's good. No, he was in a movie about the Olympics that Spielberg directed. It's really good actor.


Oh, Eric Bana. Thank you, Eric. What was the other guest? And I guess he was out first because he was there. And then I came out and Jay Leno had agreed to do this. And I said, OK, we'll give each other names to do and we have to we have to impersonate. And I gave something to Jay Leno and he made a great attempt closer to Eric Benet, made a great attempt. I did the anti improv rule thing.


They gave me somebody to give me Liz Taylor. I said, well, I've done her no. And then there can be somebody else. I'll give you somebody living. It was just so bad because I knew what I wanted to do and I said, could I could be someone living in Eric and had just worked with Scarlett Johansson. And I said, OK, Scarlett Johansson. Yeah. Is it OK if I say Puck? On TV, and Jay Leno said, of course, and I said, OK, here's Scarlett Johansson in the morning before she puts her teeth in all of that back.


And Eric said that she is the machine. That's quite genius. That's really cheap. That is just such a safety safety guard guarded by behind the back.


So, yeah, that's a really good game. But it's really good if you're playing with with with you and Marty Short. No, I'm not good at it.


And it's so scary, especially if you've never tried doing something before, just to have a sound come out of your mouth just to make that for sound. Is such a leap leap of faith something to do? You don't have to give me anything.


You know, I know I'm up for this challenge because I'm very competitive, very competitive. The minute you said game, I was like, let's go.


Give me one.


OK, well, here's the thing is I really have to like it's a podcast, so they're not getting half my my artillery is is the visual.


But I just know that that's just that going through.


You're grading on a curve. Great. Though your voices have been great. Yeah. All right. No, are you kidding. You know, it hit me with one. Hit me with one. Hit you with one. Yeah. OK, so I'm good. I did say red buttons but that's cool. Dereference Red Buttons.


Oh my God.


I would it would be a scene from The Poseidon Adventure. It's all I ever saw.


Red Buttons and it's great. Is it red buttons. No, but I decided that you do Gene Hackman. OK, see, but I want to do a hanging from I want to do him hanging from the screw before he drops into the flaming water.


God, have you let these people get through this upside down world in this upside down boat? There is no God. Wow, how about that? You better put that in your in your kit that's going in the one man show.


And we'll be right back after this. So here's something interesting. Christopher Guest, who is a certified genius and you're shaking your head, yes, everybody knows it.


No, I'm not kidding.


I'm nodding, nodding your head, nodding your head at me, shaking your head. No, I meant shaking your head. Yes.


Here's what I've witnessed about him that I found really fascinating. Yes, I was able to observe him at a party surrounded by some of the funniest people on the planet.


And whether it was Steve Martin, Marty Short. Tom Hanks. I think Ron Howard was there, I mean, funny, smart, and everybody, whenever anyone told a joke or told a story or anything before anyone reacted, they looked at Chris, Oh, I was going to say that.


Oh, I knew you were going to say that. Yeah. Yes, he's the. He comes off as the toughest critic in the world, and he's also really smart and really funny, when we improvised the scenes in the movies that we did or that I was part of with him, everyone else kind of repeated a joke here and there, you know, from take to take you not the whole thing. But, you know, I thought, oh, there was a you know, there was a something I have a sound that take is dead.


OK, well, I might I might just try that. I came up with a joke. I'm going to try some I'll try to get it in there again. Chris Guest never repeated a thought from take to take to take it characters just so ridiculously inventive and creative and funny. So, yeah, you just and he's very dry, really dry air to him to create a different story for dry.


Doesn't begin to.


Yeah, he's the Sahara is. But when are you friends with him.


I know him a little bit through. I've known Jamie, his wife Jamie Lee for forever and ever and ever. And so we would run into each other and I'd like him very much, but I wouldn't say that we're we're very close. But I obviously amazing. Well, I'm not really close.


I don't see him. You know, I've only seen when I worked with him. But once he does let you in as a friend, he's so affectionate and sweet and he laughs and laughs and he's so lucid. It's just the rest of the time he just does not suffer fools and. And everybody wants to be a school that's that's a great phrase. You're right, he doesn't suffer fools and everybody wants to be his fool.


It's really improvising a oh, you're good at that. Oh, really? He OK, Corky St. Clair.


Oh, well, the backward part.


I mean, I don't know in the pantheon of of of of great characters, that's that for me might be because I feel like I've been directed by Corky St. Clair multiple times in my career, then you're lucky.


Someone very loving and supportive and encouraging it just wants you to be the best you could possibly be. That's what it was like. And then it was Bob Balaban character who looked at us like, how did you get here?


Well, you're right about Corky Sinclair, but the other part about Corky Sinclair is he's completely without talent. That's the other part.


So that's I it's there's something so endearing slash infuriating about someone who's so energetically, lovingly supportive, who has no clue what they're doing.


And all he does isn't direct a love directing, nurturing and taking care of people and considering what everyone's going through and empathizing with everyone. It is true.


You've got to have that. The great ones all do. Right. Don't you think that's that's Corky. That's example where I mean, great character, but also took himself so seriously, Corky took himself so seriously, could you choose your favorite Christmas movie or no.


All of them. I don't know. I don't know, though, they're all they were all just amazingly challenging, scary and fun to do.


But the best was just watching everyone else work. But Waiting for Guffman, the night before I shot for the first time that I shot for a week or so when I got into Chris, just just tell you one thing. Don't try to be funny. Just be in the scene. And, you know, we shot 90 something hours of improvisation for those movies based on a on a really clean and great and well-written outline in all the scenes that are in the outline.


Ended up being the scenes in the movie there. Exactly as you know, as structured as originally structured. But the dialogue is improvised. And so, you know, we improvise 90 something hours, whatever, and they cut down because we cut it down to ninety two minutes, I think. So so you knew once you got going that there was going to be a lot of stuff that's just going to disappear, which takes a lot of weight off of the pressure of trying to be funny.


But that was that was scary but really fun. The thing that was fun about that way for companies, we kind of moved around in a group. We were all together, Parker Posey and Gene and Fred Willard, God bless them. And, you know, we're all we were together, the group as the with the other movies, we sort of thought we were playing very different characters in their different worlds. And then who came together for the event at the end.


But we had our different lives going on. So it was really fun to sort of be introduced to the world of improvising movie with that group there all the time, you know.


Yeah, I'm really good at lowering himself out of a scene if he was going to laugh so they wouldn't blow the take.


There's a there's a car seat, a car, a car dealership where we're Corky's showing us how to do his dance, which if you're just pushing his pelvis forward and we're all trying to imitate it and Eugene could not control his laughter, but instead of blowing the tape, he lowered himself out of frame. It was another thing, the library or doing another kind of rehearsal thing. And Fred was really making you laugh. So you just snuck behind one of the library shelves, got his laugh out of his system and came back in the scene.


Really funny. Oh, sorry. I can't pick a favorite. I don't know. I don't know. They were all there, although I love them all.


I mean, it's hard. It's for me as Guffman Best in Show. I mean, they're they're perennial, those are movies I have to watch once a year, for sure.


For sure and for your consideration has turned into a very good idea not to how not to lesson them. For Eugene and me, we keep reminding each other, you know, awards season. You know, you get into that world and people are talking about whether or not you're going to win and we just keep each other characters and for your consideration. OK, just let's just keep a perspective.


Well, listen, you won you won the Emmy this year.


We didn't think we were going to because we were trained by that movie. So we did not expect it. That was nice surprise you won the Emmy this year. What was that what was that like? Tell me, because I've never won one. What, what, what? What you should have. I don't know. I don't know. Surely you've been nominated?


I, I have been. I'm a perennial bridesmaid.


Did you get sucked into the game when you were nominated, as Tom Hanks calls it, the trophy run. This is my favorite.


He said that with no irony, said because he had this, you know, around the holidays, usually it's kind of involved in the trophy run. So and I thought, wow, that is the greatest.


Right, the trophy run.


And he has been many times and he has been like top Ty Cobb said it ain't bragging if you've done it and he's done it many times. What what was it like?


How were you do you think you were going to win? No, I honestly didn't.


And and I and I felt like I was getting set up because, you know, my agent kept sending me things, you know, pieces that said I was going to win. And I thought, no, I've seen this. I won't name names, but I've seen this happen to too many people where they're set up, you know? And I kept thinking it for your consideration of the movie. So no bye bye, Tom. It was going to be announced.


I convinced myself, no, I wasn't going to. And I wanted the show to win. I thought that would be so great for Eugene and Daniel. I really did want the show to win, but I did not, honest to God, didn't expect that and was so happy to be with everyone. You know, I think Daniel talked you into having something and so was going to be a barbecue in your backyard. Then it was all covid thing.


And then they had, I think fifty people invited two days before and they moved it to where we were. Carcillo in Toronto. It's kind of an event place is Old Castle.


And then two days before the Emmys or before the party, the Ontario premier changed the law so that it was maximum. Twenty five people outdoors, maximum ten indoors. They had to uninvite her to simply half the people. And they were all people had been nominated for the show. And and of course, everybody we wanted to see and be with. So that part was sad.


But then we got there and then I looked around. We're all dressed up. But we got I thought, how do we how do we have stylists for a for a zoom thing? What are we doing?


You could be you could be naked from the waist down. Nobody would know. Well, apparently you do find out. That's right. Yeah. Oh dear. What was he thinking. Yeah.


So we, we got all dressed up and when I got there I thought, oh this looks like we think we're going to win. This is almost too pretty and too fancy and too lovely. And we had this lovely dinner party and they have two producers. They had big screen and you could see the other nominees and then they said, OK, we all get tested. Of course, we're safe to be with each other. But we wore masks, they said, but if you win, you're going to go to microphone, go, oh, come on.


That looks like we think we're going to win. Could we just stay in our seats if we win? And I'm not thinking we're going to do so. Well, everyone else is going to go to the microphone, OK, so that I look like I can't walk. OK, so I have to go if I, if I do, but I won't look and they say, OK, we're about to start and your category is the first one up.


No, just because it makes you feel sickly, but but then Jimmy Kimmel and Jennifer Hudson did that ridiculous bit with the fire burning up the car and not for a second was I think, oh, hurry, get to it.


I was just laughing, you know, silly. She she was so good with the extinguisher. Just give. Yeah, but go at it again. Yeah. This looks bad. And then he read my name and I have that the Jimmy Kimmel. I sent it to me so great. Half burned away but my name is still in there.


Yeah. And then. And then sorry about our wait too long but and then Eugene won and then Daniel went for writing and then it got to Annie and she's sitting beside me and I said it was about to announce her categorises. Now you have to win. Sorry. You actually have to. That's right. Now. Yeah. Now you have to. And she says who do I apologize to first. So I said it was insane.


It was insane. And it just it, you know, we had nine in a row. That's amazing. And that's unusual for a chemistry to be locked. But but they don't usually lump all the in one category together, do they? No, no. So it really became I'm Canadian and greedy after one for us. And so we got through the nine awards, all the comedy, and then they then they cut off our feed and then we're all just kind of stunned, screamin, looking at each other and no redo redeploys.


Patrick, on the shows that you realize no other shows won anything yet. It's like, oh, this is wrong. This is too much. It's just too much that.


Yeah, because they they they that was the year that they like you said, that was comedy. And then they went to drama instead of alternating back and forth.


So you guys just steamrolled everybody that was.


Yeah. And of course we expected all of that tonally. Yes. Oh of course.


So let me ask you this. If you're if you, God forbid, are ever evacuated again, what and you can only take one thing.


Is it the army or the or or is it your order of Canada?


Oh, no, I think it'll be passport. The kids pictures.


Oh, got so boring. Well, you said one thing. Come on, what kind of mother human would I be. That's true. Mother first human. Which kid would you take. Let me ask about one kid.


Oh my God is choice Kathy's choice. Kathy is Canadian choice.


Which kid would you take. Oh my God. They know. Oh no. Listen, I'm open to being lobbied though.


I mean I, I fully fully like it. Mike would have no problem saying to my boys, look, I'm only taking one of you what's in it for me or.


I would say you decide. Oh, the most sickening. What a horrible thought. No, that's it. My kids are never living with me again. I want to be somewhere else safe. I like it. Do you know that trick with kids, with kids, what they want when they're mad about who's going to get the bigger size of something candy or the most of a drink? No. What trick is this?


You say, OK, one of you will pour or divide it and the other will choose. Wow.


And it makes every kid be fairer than they've ever been in their lives, dividing up whatever that is, oh, the meticulousness, that would then the trick would then transpire. What a good good thing. Where was that?


When I needed it, when I had these eight year old and six year olds running around my house. Yeah. Fighting over stuff. No, they are they do they get along. Do they love each other. They did, yeah. They really did and still do.


And now we're all back in the house.


We're all still living like it's a it's your Schitt's Creek is the is the ultimate version of what we're living.


I like to think of it as we're living in a failed sitcom, because to me it's like every sitcom that doesn't work in years did work where they're all back together.


But they're and it's been great.


It's really been great. And everybody gets along and it's been it's been really fun. And and we've been catching up on, you know, great stuff on Netflix and, you know.


Yeah, yeah. What's it like guys like in the show? I think adult children are getting to see their parents as humans, just adults. It's not like you have to be best friends, but you sort of you know, I think I've stopped lecturing as much as I used to when I saw the once in a while. It's like, you see the what I saw was like, I would tell you everything I know about life right now, you know, five minutes with you.


But but when you when you get to spend those days together, nights together, you relax and you just. In a much healthier way, start, I hope, anyway, start letting each other be, you know, even kids let their parents be.


Yeah, there's there's when you're when you're going through what everybody has gone through and continues to go through, it just it just gets so real, it's real and it's like there's no no putting a brave face.


There's no putting any face on it. It just is. It is what it is. And they I think it's been good for everybody to see, you know, the warts and all of because, you know, I think kids look at parents and think. You know, parents are these unknowable figures, you know, and and our kids and our kids are also mysteries to us and always. And a lot of that's good.


A lot of that is it is is a is as it should be.


But a lot what you want to take the mystery out of something, live with people 24/7 for nine months. Right.


So if you could survive if you survive it, that's. Yeah, and if you actually let each other be give each other a little space, if you're lucky enough to have some space. Yeah, it's good. I think we're all looking at how life could be different from now on, not with or without virus. Just I think we've really found out what things work and don't work and how many people can actually work at home. Wow.


Well, I've been shooting my my show nine one one Lone Star. We're back. And, you know, Disney is our studio and the protocols are the most unbelievable, you know, the famous shots of the astronauts walking down the gantry to get in.


That's what it looks like coming from craft service. Wow. I said, wow, it's all boxed, right?


You can't just go and order what you want to tell you. Order ahead of time. And, oh, these are real problems.


You can't you can't order it.


No, you can't go in like certain. There's a everybody goes in different doors.


Everybody's like quadrants it off. It's we have to wear two masks. We wear the you know, the mask mask and then the face shield. Right.


And I'm I'm deaf in one ear anyway, so I can't hear much.


And then I realize I've you I lip read so much so I just I have no relationship with anybody anymore on my show at all because I can't I can't communicate only lip reading.


I thought of this. Yeah. What happens with masks and lip reading. You just do it. People speak louder than you and you get tired of doing that. And eventually you just you just check out.


And that's it's that's the really sad part is it really is too hard to to to to communicate.


It's it's really rough, you know, but it's really hard as I'm sorry.


What do you to make.


Huh. And then they left it up to speak. You Oh know he can't. No. Then then the the the sort of covid police jump in.


Oh yeah. How often do you have to get tested for your work. I get tested every three days and and honestly, my nose is starting to feel like I, I definitely. Have a permanent like I'm aware of my nose. Yeah, permanent, you get that, you get the squirrel, though, not the stick in the brain. My nose hasn't felt like this since nineteen eighty six. And you know, Nel's in lower Manhattan with Andy Warhol.


No, I never did that, that stuff.


So too many people would be stupid. Couldn't get it in Canada. Believe me, I tried. Oh no. It was everywhere. I shot Youngblood up there.


I know what was going on up there in nineteen eighty four. I know it wasn't going on fortunately.


But we, as are you producing the show because as an actor you can't wear two masks, right.


Yeah. As a producer I'm wearing to, but I'm, I'm rarely on the set when I'm not acting. But we wear them, we wear the masks for everything but actual shooting. So the rehearsals, like I said, are like really problematic.


It's like I recorder of what.


Yeah, it's very tough. Wow. Yeah.


But at least we're working. Look, we're lucky. A lot of, a lot of folks aren't. We're alive. We're alive and we're alive. Oh you're working. You're working for all of us.


And and you know, my, my nose is happy to be getting attention again.


After so many years of falling into disrepair, I have permanent damage from getting tested the stick up the brain from a sinus infection years ago. Oh, and I have yeah. I like perpetually just slightly runny nostril on my left side. And it's terrible, terrible for working. Always asking makeup artist to have anything Hawkgirl has to look.


Yeah, no it's you know what the phrase for that is. Are there any bats in the cave who grow. It's not bad. So this is gross. It's a very clean, clear, tiny bit of liquid.


That's all it is. OK, that's all it is. That's the case. Hey, any bats in the cave? Oh, yeah. Well, this has been great.


You I love this. I love talking to you.


I've been a fan forever.


A lot of people I get on to. Oh, I'm sorry, I huge fan of yours forever too. Not as long because you're a lot younger but not nonsense. We listen.


We both love Paul Portland. So what else matters. Yeah, I'm going to I'm going to leave this. I'm going to call our mutual manager and I'm going to say you're fired unless you get me the role as Paul Lynde. Absolutely.


And Catherine who? OK, we'll end with this. Who I want you to be in it. What character can you can you play Sandy Duncan in the corner square?


Would that be a fanatic on either of you? Robin, if you know Robin Dukes, you she of course. OK, she should play. She no, she is beyond to Sandy Duncan. She actually looks like her. OK, who who would you be.


Joey Heatherton. Joey Heather to be in there. I like Joey Heatherton, slightly older. Joey, who else is in that period.


Oh could you could you play Wally Cox.


I guess I'll do anything for you to your kind of like playing as Wally Cox. I like to want to see you stretch those beautiful wings.


Oh yeah. What's this. What's his voice.


I think he's just kind of I think he's very he's very nerdy and he's got a mustache that that's dirty.


But I don't really know the answer to that. Peter Lawford, whatever the hell is. No, Peter Marshall, you don't do you know.


Well, and who's got the guy to be a match? Keep the old Batcave with Gene Rayburn. No, the guy who was basically Paul in. Oh, his delivery was exactly like that. Oh, really? Oh, my. Another one is. Do you guys know who this is? Because all his all his answers were like that.


Charles Nelson Reilly, he was also hoodoo in Pittsville. And if we start going down my side sitting Marty Krofft Rabbit Hole, then it's good.


Yeah. My husband designed to the last movie.


No way. Yeah. That was all on stage. Oh my God. The detail and the beautiful paint work on those trees and vines.


And my favorite joke in the movie is basically an homage to your husband then because it's Will Ferrell in the the temple where all the crystals are here. It's the Sleestak temple or whatever. And and and and he says this looks like the set of a Telemundo telefon.


It's my favorite joke in the show. That's great. And we I swear, at least once a week, one of us will say to the other one, we've been called Chuka Chuka.


So recent. Comes from that, yeah, the fact that I know Chuck, his language is deeply upsetting, even to me.


Wow, you're an encyclopedia of bad television of something.


Know something. That's what my wife says. The great Catherine O'Hara. Thank you, I usually a lot of folks on the show, I know it and have a long history with and this is the other part of the show that I love is when I get to meet someone I've always admired and started and started history.


So our history began today, just so you know. Yes, please.


I want to become as good a friend to you as Daphne Guinness.


Oh, darling, I've got great stories. I'm going to I'm going to send you some. I'm going to try to find some photos.


I'll send it to you through our mutual map of your views. And before you tell something funny, say you won't believe how funny this is. Wait to hear this joke. Oh, this is such a great show. This is great. Let me just say, you're going to love this.


I'm going to kill myself. Thank you, darling. Thank you so much. God bless you. Stay safe, all of you. Thank you. That was fun. I think it was.


You think that was fun? I love it. And I am going to go get on this Poland thing. I'm going to get on it right now. By the way, I'm sure all of you listening have no interest in seeing me in that part. I and I completely understand. It doesn't mean I don't want to do it. I want to thank Catherine. She was so sweet to take time out of a busy day to talk to to me and inspired me to watch Waiting for Guffman again tonight.


And if you've never seen Waiting for Guffman. Get a life. It is beyond belief or best in show, but let's start with those, because I'm assuming everybody seen Schitt's Creek, but trust me, you won't go wrong. And anyway, I will see you next week. Thanks for coming. By the way, if you guys, it'd be great if you give us a review on Apple. We like that. It's helpful for the show. I read them.


So be nice to me because my feelings are easily hurt. So go to Apple and give us some good stars like. You have been listening to literally with Rob Lowe, produced and engineered by me, Devon Tory, Brian Executive, produced by Rob Lowe for low profile Adam Sachs and Jeff Ross, Team Coco and Colin Anderson and Chris Bannon at Stitcher. The supervising producer is Aaron Blair's talent producer, Jennifer Sanders. Please write and review the show on Apple podcast and remember to subscribe on Apple podcast, Stitcher or wherever you get your podcast.


This has been 18 cocoa production in association with Sketcher.