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I am Zach. Hi, Zach, it's Rob Lowe here. Hi, Rob, how are you? I'm psyched you're here. I'm psyched you're on our little pod. It's very exciting. We'll think. Thanks for having me. I'm I'm probably going to be your most boring guest, if you don't mind.


Well, you're coming out of the gate hot in that sweater. This is going to be fun because this young man. This young man is a funny, funny young man. He's beloved, everybody loves him, all species love him. I'm talking about, of course, the genius, truly genius Zach Galifianakis. The fact that he has made it in Hollywood with an unpronounceable name is truly, truly something to doff my chapeau to, and I cannot wait for you to hear this conversation come right up.


It's going to be great, the Internet makes me feel like I'm doing Larry King in the 80s. It's fucking awesome. Yet you're on with Roanoke, Virginia. Go ahead. And it was like a huge pause. Nobody knew what was going on.


Did you ever hear that he had fans under his desk because he farted so much? No. Come on. I've always heard that he had like three oscillating under his desk. I sat next to Larry King at a Dodger game, and you would have thought I would have maybe experienced that bodily function then, too, right? Maybe. Maybe, maybe had such respect for the Dodgers, they wouldn't dare do such a thing.


Well, he didn't you didn't see any fans nearby. Did you like oscillating fans? He didn't bring them to the game, did he?


He did not. He probably came to the game going. I know there will be fans there anyway. Now, like now they're baseball fans. Let's get it. Get it, get it. Get it together. Get it together. Larry, do you see my do you have a shirt on. I wore it because I know about your North Carolina heritage.


And my son, the Duke University is where all the the all the that's the that's the rival school where I went to an agricultural school Duke in Chapel Hill.


I went to NC State. It's not a Chapel Hill. So I did this to incite you.


Yeah. That that doesn't work for me to wear a duke. That's the wine and cheese crowd, Rob. We're we're we're the farming people. Let's do it.


Let's do it. Let's do a deeper dove on this. So the Duke that my son graduated from Duke. But there is that rivalry is it's real. It's real. And people take it very seriously. Right. Well, your kid must be pretty smart.


Duke is a very great school. What did he study there?


He I think his degree was, of all things, military history.


Go figure. But now he's a lawyer. He's getting a pass. Yeah.


So he's he passed the bar, went to Loyola Law School past. Now he's a he's an attorney and working in tech. But it always intrigued me what kids choose to study. I mean, it's always fascinating. I mean, military history. I would love it. Yeah. But I know I don't know what that does in the job market. Luckily, he took care of itself.


Yeah. That's a great that's such a specific degree. Military history. Wow. Yeah. There's not I don't wonder what you could do with that start up.


I mean, being a lawyer. Yeah, of course.


You start or start a war that might be the best job you can have. Yes.


Go ahead, Larry. It's go ahead. Roanoke, Virginia, you're on. Hi, it's Chad from Roanoke, a first first time listener. Long time caller. Sorry, I'm farting.


I was going to say to do I. I called you do put your name's Rob. Rob the last time I went to Duke University. Duke was playing in the national championship that night against it was, gosh, it must have been the late 80s, early 90s, and I had just hitchhiked from Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. I used to hitchhike and I would carry a sign that says I don't have a gun. Some people would pick me up all the time.


And I was on my way to Raleigh, North Carolina, back to school, and this limousine was at a gas station and I hadn't gotten a ride for a few hours.


So I walk up to the limousine driver and I said, hey, is there anybody in the back? There's no I'm just driving up to Philadelphia from Miami. I go, Can you give me a ride to Durham? Jail happen. So he takes me he actually takes me to my apartment in Raleigh. Comes in to have like a glass of water, my brother and friend Edwin are watching the Duke championship. They win. That guy takes us to Durham that night in his limousine.


We had we were college students in a limousine in Durham the night of the championship.


It was the only time in my life I've ever been popular. It was so fun, so fun.


That must have been a I mean, it's going to games. Duke was my favorite thing we got. You'd think that Coach K, the legendary Coach K still can't pronounce his last name, by the way, would have given a lot of commencement speeches. Turns out he's only given one. And that was from my son's graduation year, which is really kind of special to have him. I remember getting the tour going on. The college tours are just so fun.


That's my favorite memory, one of them being a father. But we got to Duke and they they, of course, take you to Coach K's office as part of the tour. And he's not there. And they point to a spot on the floor in front of the desk. In this age, you see that right there, that area right in front of the desk. That is the most important place on the campus, like a wide, I guess, because every seven years the president of Duke comes in and gets down on his knees right.


Right there and begs Coach K to stay.


Yeah, it's yeah. That yeah, yeah, yeah. It's such a tradition there. Basketball and in that whole area, you know, basketball is so huge. We used to be able to watch basketball in class. In school. They would let us watch basketball. So good. Yeah. That's how I ended up in Hollywood. Well yeah. We're going to get to that. I'm fascinated with all of it. So I'm a huge fan of yours truly.


We'll get into that, too. But I was looking through some of the research on you. Your your mother owned it, worked at it at Community Arts Center. Walk me through that, because I get started in a community arts center in the Midwest. Is this is this am I did my staff do a good job? Tell me about this art center thing. Yeah.


So my mom worked at a place called the Walker Walker Center, which was part of a community college in my hometown.


And there they have this really great bluegrass festival called the World Watson Festival. A lot of my mom was kind of administrator there that would bring an ax and, you know, amazing. My job was to put up posters around the small towns of Ray Charles coming to my hometown. I got to see Ray Charles in this little community center perform. And it was just so we would have these great acts come through our town. So, yeah, my mom was not really the artistic part of it.


She was more kind of just the worked in the, you know, the business standard of the offices there.


But my dad was a performer there and he did Fiddler on the Roof and stuff like that.


He'd know his lines, never knew his lines. How did that happen? Look, my dad I learned a lot from my dad, from faking it. You know, I don't know how.


I just remember the day of the play. We go over his lines and they just weren't there yet.


And somehow he he got through it.


Somehow I have that is that is the reoccurring nightmare that I had when I was a kid. It was that I you know, the one the classic one that I showed up for a test and looked down and realized I'd forgotten to wear clothes. Right. That that was the classic I had it. But now the one is it's opening night and I'm in the wings. And I realize I've never bothered to learn the lines. And I might my whole my whole church just talking about it, fills with anxiety.


Have you ever been on a set where you didn't feel prepared? That's the thing. No, really. I mean, that's the irony of it. I am very diligent.


I was hoping you said yes. I mean, no. I can't maybe that's why I have the the nightmare, because it truly would be a nightmare for me, I can't imagine. Now, that said, part of acting is taking their way through it. I mean, that's that's for sure.


Well, have you ever I mean, obviously, you've probably my whole thing is or at least my excuse if I can't when lines are very bad, I can't I can't remember them. Of course not know for sure. One hundred percent that I was on I was on a kid's movie once where I was talking to or pop to popsicle sticks instead of the animation. Yeah. And I already worked on it for a month and I was really struggling with my lines and the producer walks up to me, she goes.


Do you want a teleprompter? And I froze and she goes. It's Travolta's as if yes, yes, I know all about this famous oh, in that case, yeah, for sure. But I was so humiliated that that she had offered me a a teleprompter. But talking to fake guinea pigs is just with dialog that I couldn't understand was really it's those times on set. I don't feel ill prepared. I just feel like I'm going to forget these lines because I can't make sense of them, because that happened to you all the time.


In fact, I have a thing.


The heart of the line is to remember the worse the writing is. One hundred percent, and if if the writing is really is fantastic, you remember it immediately. I like this.


The just filler at all, by the way, exposition, just the bad exposition is is killer, you know.


Oh, so that was Billy. Billy was the one who came in to the crime scene before we arrived here. Isn't that right? All that shit.


It's so hard to do. But also talking talking to a popsicle stick. But the prompter thing, let me tell you something. Travolta uses it. And here's it's really shocking if you go to Broadway now. There are prompters around on stage, and it is, yes, it's awful. It is awful, and to me, that's totally cheating to me that you're not allowed to do that. Some people do it. I mean, I don't want to name names, but some people do it.


And they they hide them and they build them into the set. And then, you know, and I love and I look, I love Bruce Springsteen, but, you know, Bruce has just just blatantly has a, you know, a Jumbotron on on the balcony of his one man show, you know, I mean, but but he had he has such a library of that that I understand because he's seventy one, I think.


Right. That one I understand because he has such a wide library I think is his one man show. Probably changed up a bunch.


Right. But I did not know. Maybe I can do Broadway now. I've opened up a whole new career for you dude. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe I can finally do Broadway.


Your whole performance though will be predicated on like looking and looking down into the sink because that's where the screen will be hidden or just reading a newspaper the whole time.


Yeah, I love when actors have choices, physical choices that embody their character that don't make a lot of sense. On The West Wing, Martin Sheen used to think that the the most presidential thing he could do to anybody being the president would sign would be to sign things. So inevitably you'd be in a scene with Martin is the president, and he would want people to come up and offer him very important documents to sign because he was the president made a lot of work and he would just sign things randomly.


The irony being, of course. The person probably saying the least in the world is the president of the United States because it carries so much heft, but always I always love that kind of the choices that actors make. Always make me laugh. Always. It's very Illuminati's. Iwork you have the busywork. I'm fascinated with baskets and I'm really fascinated with I want to be on. I would so have loved to have been on the phone call or the meeting where you tell the network that I have a great idea for my mother.


Louie Anderson. How did that go down? You know, I got to tell you, I don't think they cared. They had sex or at least the people I dealt with it at that network were really, really great about being hands off. And that was I have to say, it's usually not the case in my in my little bit of experience with it, there's usually a lot of there's a lot of opinions and a lot of notes. But I'm basket's we did not we got real lucky and had a supportive you know, the business side of it was real supportive of that show.


But the reason we chose Louie Anderson was because it was his voice. I do know the actress Brenda Blethyn.


I think I'm saying her name. Yes, of course. Actress. I know that's who I wanted.


I wanted her because I think she she's one of my favorite actresses. Yeah. She was not free to do it. Or at least that's what she said. And so the voice, the voice was it was always about the voice and somebody said, and what about Louie Anderson? I said, Yeah, that voice. And then that was that was it was as simple as that. Amazing. There was no O'Keane act. What do we know? Should we put him in makeup?


We'll see what he looks. It was just. Let's do it.


That was it. Well, a the people it effects are really smart. There's some of the best executives over there in town. And as we know, executives can be a nightmare.


But that was how were you surprised at the way it became so beloved? Like in a very specific world. I mean, people just. You know, you never know you never know what people are going to respond to and like that as a show that just so occupied a very like, there are people who would never know it, and then there are people who think it's their best show that's ever made well.


So I don't know how many people watch it. I would say probably not that many. I mean, you know, which is fine.


I wasn't trying to throw a large net. I wanted to do something pretty specific.


Yeah, but the one thing about that show I noticed and I've never experienced this before, people would hand make things for the cast. There would be these artists that would send in nightlights of the characters or sweaters they had knitted or mugs they have made.


I have these beautiful clown mugs that people were just fans of the show that to me, that connection.


It was I just that's what that show I felt more connected to an audience there than that I you know, than than I have ever felt, not that that's something you really strive for, but you do. And it was noticeable. The love that was that that show, those that thought it was good.


I mean, look, it wasn't for everybody and it shouldn't be. But those that did like it, loved it. And that was that was the thing that I felt.


I think that's part of it is when an audience I just know for my own sake, when I discover something that I feel like, oh, my God, I'm the only person in the world who probably gets this. That you invest in it in a really, really, really different way, you know, like, you know, it becomes you feel like you're a member of a sort of secret society in a way, even if it becomes really successful in a lot of people end up liking it.


If it if your first experience of it is like, I can't believe this is on TV or whatever.


I mean I mean, I think it's the highest compliment I can give in my camp spots.


But no, that's my highest compliment. I can't believe that this got made to me. That is the opening gambit of something I know I'm going to love.


Yeah, there was a show, a British show that I watched years ago, 20 years ago.


It was a Steve Coogan show. And I don't know if it come to the states, but I was living in England, working in England, and I had found the show called I'm Alan Partridge.


Oh, yeah. And I thought I had been Neil.


I'd never known any American speak of this show, and I would find people to talk about it. And was this secret kind of not secret, but was this kind of club of people that knew that show?


And it wasn't a huge known show probably, or at least in the States? It was it. But I just just had never seen a comedy like that. I never had seen anything quite like that. So, OK, so I love doing this for for the listeners is like turning them on to odd stuff that they may they may not have known. So that would be a good one for you. Mind that I keep talking to people. That is a very obscure show that I think was on Adult Swim years ago called Wonder Chozen.


Did you ever see Wonder Chozen?


I was on Wonder Chozen. Wait, what? Oh well yeah.


Yeah, we me and David Cross and this this Folke, this guy named Will Oldham did a he hall and other people, Heather Lawless.


We did a he'll take off on one of our shows and you should look at up.


It's pretty disturbing. Oh I know. Yeah. No I'm so excited. I know you've made my week. I am. So the minute this is done I am looking up. So if I just do one more shows and heehaw, I'll probably find it right if it's if it exists.


I think it was called Horse APL's. The name of the show we did was called Horse Appel's. I'm like, I'm writing. So but you know, it's funny that you bring that show up, Rob, because I felt that way about that show. I could not believe that that was on television. No, sir, not that not this stuff necessarily that I did that one time, but the other stuff where they would. Some of it was so dark and just in the most jaw dropping way, you know, when it's so new, you haven't seen that on TV.


Yeah, those guys were quite brilliant. The guys that did that show.


My favorite thing about Wonder Shows was Clarence the purple puppet. Do you remember him? Mm hmm. Mm hmm.


They would go up to people in Central Park and just do it with the kid in the trench coat.


No, that was that was a separate thing. Equally as disturbing and genius, right?


Yes. That was disturbing. Yes. Hold that thought. We'll be right back. I'm out of the loop, I don't watch anything. I mean, the last movie I saw was Smokey and the Bandit, Big Hal Needham guy. Are you big Hal Needham, connoisseur of his ego?


Yes. Yes, I am. Well, nice reference, Hal Needham.


Listen, you wind me up with a trivia like that. I'm just going to go right on on arts entertainment trivia. I think I'm kind of unbeatable, I think. OK, great.


Can I ask you a trivia question? I ask everybody. And only one person has ever gotten this right? Yes.


Now I'm going to give you only five seconds to get it right because I can't. OK, OK.


I'll give you 10 seconds, Rob. Ready? Yes.


Who was Gerald Ford's vice president? Oh, that's a really good one. Nelson Rockefeller, yep. God, you're the second person, was that right? Whoa, that was eight. Yeah, that's right. That's not bad. Wow. That's that's really good. I love I'm not good at trivia, but I love it. Ask me one.


OK, I got we got one for you. This is going to be offensive to a lot of people. How in what manner did Nelson Rockefeller die? Man, I think I would get this multiple choice, but I don't know, off the top of my head, I'd give you OK, I'll give you a multiple choice. Car accident. Small plane crash. Heart attack while having an affair. With the secretary on his desk. Well, which you prefaced it by this.


So I was the third one, the third one was the third one.


I'm not saying the third attack on the affair thing. Right. That's that's pretty much what they say. So I don't want to get letters from a Wikipedia.


I'm just saying I don't want letters from the Nelson Rockefeller estate. That's just it may be an urban legend, but I've always heard it.


Did you think, like, there are things like when you're little and you hear things before the Internet, like I'm a kid living in Ohio and somehow that information gets to me. How so?


I, I used to listen to Casey Kasem. That was my only connection to the outside world growing up in North Carolina.


And he told me years ago that Prince used to write. Here's here's a trivia. What kind of music who did Prince write music for in the country music world? I'm guessing Dolly Parton, he wrote a song for Kenny Rogers. Wow. And I think he wrote a couple of songs for Tammy Wynette under the name Joey Coco. That's amazing, yeah, showing Coco. Yeah, I'm pretty sure I'm right about oh no, I just I just confirmed it the other day.


Yes, that is a Rolling Stone had an article about it. I don't think they said anything about Tammy Wynette, but they confirmed that Kenny Rogers thing. Yep.


Well, you know, I listen to Casey Kasem to this day on I think it's on Sirius. They have pretty much now a channel that all they do is play his American top 40s from the 70s. And if you want to go down a wormhole and just it's amazing. I would like to give that a listen.


And his intros are the next members are banned from from the city by the Great Lakes, their horn section. And America has fallen in love with Chicago. That's pretty good. Casey Kasem. Have you heard the famous Casey Kasem meltdown audio?


Oh, is he doing some voiceover stuff? And he's kind of agitated and yelling and he doesn't sound very much like Casey Kasem.


Yeah, it's the best I think I've heard that really, really disappointed me as a child.


It's really kind of destroyed my image of them. Here's this moment in the middle of it goes and goes and where those head shots I need to sign. I, I, I think everybody yells that from time to time, if they've had a little success in show business, that's how, you know, you made those headshots.


I need to sign when you're angry about signing your headshots, you know, it's you know, you're jaded, particularly if your guy is famous for if you're a guy who's famous for nobody knowing what your face looks like. That's my favorite. Yeah. His wife was an actress. She was on Cheers. Was she? Yeah. I know too much about Casey Kasem.


Have you ever have you ever heard the Barry White public service announcement? No. Oh, no. Oh, I don't know that one. I love Barry White. It's Barry White trying a little Barry White trying to read, trying to read the it's a it's a it's a like a public service announcement for some concert he's going to do and a benefit in Waco, Texas. You have to look this one up. Got people like me, trust me on this one.


Casey Kasem meltdown. Barry White's Waco, Texas meltdown. And what my favorite thing is, and I agree with you 100 percent with writing sometimes as he finally goes when they got words in here they don't even need.


And boy, is that not the truth for bad writing. I quote the great Barry, Barry White says that, yeah, come on, they are words. And here they don't even need. It's really funny.


Oh, I got to lose. I'll look that that'll give me something to do today.


Tell me about your time on SNL. I always like to ask everybody about because I've always been a fan of it. You know, you have the love hate relationship with it that I think everybody does.


What was your you wrote a bit, right? Well, I only was there for a couple of weeks.


I may do this thing where they try they try out writers. I thought I was being hired as a performer. So when I got there, I realized, oh, I was going to be a writer, which was fine. I mean, listen, it was a it was a dream. I couldn't believe it. I think I was. Looking for a job and that kind of fell into my lap and that was the host of the show that week with the two weeks I was there was Britney Spears and then John Goodman and then Neil Young was the guest musical and the John Goodman.


Yeah, that was a listen, I'm not I'm not. I just I think it's a comic that seems to be or at least to my age group that was such a dream to even be able to go see how they did that show and to be a fly on the wall in the writers room was and that's kind of how I I didn't know what I was doing. I had never written I was doing standup, but I had never written a sketches to turn in an.


It was not easy because it's you know, it's like I don't know if supportive is necessarily the. The word I would use there, but, you know, you're new there, it's I think in show business, especially as a stand up, you get a thick skin and it might make things just bombed very badly.


I mean, I think I could hear the air conditioner on the floor below us. It was bad.


Pitch me pitch me one out. Do you remember any of them?


Oh, I don't remember exactly what they were. Well, I remember one of them that bombed so hard, I should say, which was this I'd written something for Britney Spears.


Two things. One of them was, I wonder Will Ferrell to play a a security guard to her belly button. And we were going to shrink Will Ferrell down to just hang out inside of her belly button because her belly button was always exposed then. And I thought she needed to protect it.


That that I mean, I've never seen a tumbleweed go through an office before, but that would be a terrible way to feel like a tumbleweed went right across the writers room table and a cricket writing it. But it was it was that was you know, I I'm not offended that no one liked it. It was probably bad, but yeah.


You hope that your idea will get in. But, you know, it's it's it's a it's klick issue as well as it should be. But I was a dream to be there. I don't have any regrets. And I ended up hosting it a few times, which was nice.


Oh, that's that's that's a triumphal return for sure. I love the notion of you. Pitching, I mean, I know you don't directly pitch, Lauren, but I love the idea of like, so it's Britney Spears, her belly button, we want to shrink Will into it. He's going to protect it from the public. And Lauren would go right to. And then, you know, you're fucked. You know, I remember pitching something to Britney Spears, just the two of us, so I got a little office and she was very nice.


She came in, you know, I was nervous because I don't know what I'm doing. This poor young lady.


I don't know what our age differences are, but seem similar.


At the time, I probably was much older, but. I go, she goes, what do you have for me? And I go, well. You're being interviewed by Entertainment Tonight, there's no jokes and they're in the middle of the interview, you just start bleeding from the mouth. And she looks at me and then she looks at the ground, and then I looked at the ground and she looks back up at me, I look at her and she goes, Yeah, that's funny.


And that was it. But I never wrote that one out. And that one I never wrote out. I just I couldn't figure out what that would have been. But yeah, that I remember pitching one on one to her, which was fun and see if that had made it on the show. I would have loved it and I would've thought, I can't believe this made it on TV. And it's that thing we're talking about. Like you go, oh, this is made this is made just for me.




Yeah. I think those sketches on Saturday Night Live that that are maybe towards the end of the night or the ones that, you know, that work in the writers room but might not work with the studio audience, you know how it works. I mean, what makes comics laugh oftentimes does not make an audience laugh. So you have to wait on that a little bit. So but but I always find that I have more of a I like the weirder things that they that they pull out sometimes.


I love the weird sketches they do.


You know what else I love? Because the taste and you said I read a quote for you that we're talking about Between Two Ferns and whether you wanted to do more of it or not, was that, you know, I don't want to put words in your mouth, but you just said, you know, comedy tastes change fairly rapidly. And what what works now may not work then. And and and then you really you really seal that. So particularly on on on SNL, when when you look back and go, I'm not sure that was you know, I mean I mean, it's like it's a young people, you know.


You know, it's a young man's game, as Lorne would say.


I agree.


I agree with that, Lorne, or it's that it's a young person's I mean, I think when you're younger comedy and you're trying to get into the comedy business, I lived and breathed that I woke up thinking about it. I mean, I kind of still do. But when you're young and eager. Man, it just is for me, it was so thrilling to to be in that whole world, even in the open mike world, you know, I was from a small town in North Carolina.


We didn't I mean, it was just so different growing up.


And to be in that world of these creative people, it just was so thrilling, so thrilling. But I do think it's a younger person's game, too, sometimes comedy not to say that older people are not hilarious and funny and it can continue, but it seems the energy, at least the American comedy scene seems to be in locked in the 20s and 30s for people that age group for sure.


And, you know, the other thing is, even within that age group, what people think, it's always stunning to me what people think are funny and not funny in their show. You know, my friend Charlie Sheen was on to an F man and huge, huge, huge hit. And then you watch Big Bang Theory, another massive I mean, we should all be so lucky to have such a big hit.


I've never I've never cracked a smile. And the only time I did crack smile is when have you ever seen one of those episodes where they've taken the laugh track out? Have you seen this thing on YouTube?


Have you seen it? It's amazing. Now you've got a good little homework list for when we're done. Oh, my God, what a great idea.


It's the absolute greatest thing ever. Big Bang Theory without the laugh track. See, I've always thought they should add a laugh track to intervention. Oh, my God. It's a terrible disease. Don't put that in. That's a helluva terrible joke. Did you ever see the the episode of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, which I love.


I love that show. I think it shows absolutely genius. And they they put a security camera in their mother's home. She'd fallen a bunch and they wanted to keep an eye on her. And but when they put the camera in, her life became a sitcom and there's a laugh track suddenly in her life.


It's amazing, right? That's good.


There's a show. There's a show again. Oops, I and I just watched because we're in the pandemic and I don't I just watch 30 Rock for the first time.


Oh, I'm on a deep dove myself. It's so Tina Fey to me is the Mark Twain of our I mean she's I don't know if underrated, whatever that is.


She's, she's so great to me. She's so great. Have a on the show I'm shooting. I have a friend who's a and we every day at work we come in, we're on this binge of 30 Rock and we come in with a Jack Donaghy line every day. We have to come with our favorite in there. It just never ends. I mean, you know, with with her coming in and saying, wow, you're you're in a tuxedo.


This it's after six eleven. I'm not a farmer. I mean, it just one one.


I mean, and the and some of the jokes that they do, you just can't you cannot believe.


Yeah. Yeah. It's Yeah. The humor thing and humor. Yeah, humor's kind of got attacked and or at least put under a microscope lately and rightfully so, I think rightfully so, but I think the other part of that discussion is that's how some people communicate to try to make a point.


Yeah, meaning just because I've said a trigger word, that's not very P.C..


That's not the issue. The issue is I'm trying to upset stuff on stage that. On paper, probably look. Well, they are they're terribly offensive, but I play a dumb guy on stage. I feel like whatever I say is what a dumb guy would. Ridiculous. Yeah, that's my point is, you know, I don't know. I wish that was part of the discussion. And all this is I wish there was more of an anthropological look.


That's the only long word I know. That's why I always bring it up in every podcast.


My was always like you stop saying, hey, look, it's the only thing I can get out without without me stuttering.


But I do wish there was more of a social science. What's going on in our world with everything. I don't hear a lot of that or the why we're you know, why we're in this place that we're in. Look, young men in America. Are told. Look at beer commercials, we're idiots, we're supposed to be one way, and I feel like that should be discussed.


Wait, wait, wait. You know, a lot of men are jerks.


We're marketed to. And I wish that was discussed more and more and more. I really do, because I don't think a lot of this stuff that gets men into trouble is not is necessarily innate in us.


I think it's the way we're supposed to be through the American society.


Yes. There's also cameras everywhere. You know, there's just society has shifted. And look, I think every cop should be filmed.


I really do.


But I just wonder where we're all going with all this stuff. Just what where are we going to end up?


I'm thinking down the road a little bit. What does this all mean? Well, it's funny.


I even even like even like the company Amazon. Right. OK, you go work for Amazon as an actor or whatever, if you know the basic business practices of Amazon. You're very creeped out by it, at least I am. Interesting, it's the data mining they're doing. Is. And and I just wish artists or actors or whatever would just pause and go, what machine are we feeding? What are we feeding? But don't you? I've kind of made the calculation.


That. In that and this is going to sound awful, like a bit like the horses out of the barn, they know everything about me. They can listen to me, they can watch me. They know what I like. They know what I don't like. They don't like privacy, as it's always been defined, is over and has been for a long time. There's no putting the genie back in the bottle. And that's an idea what what what is it really, other than the fact that how creepy other than that and which is creepy, like it's what do you like?


I just know how you put the genie back in the bottle. Am I just being a total I will say it here. I think Europe has a few protections with. So in France, I think there's a right to be forgotten. What's that? I love that phrase. That's a great phrase. Right.


So I think Google doesn't have the power over to always have every bit a piece of you online that in France. And look, I'm talking out of turn.


I should probably read up on this more. But there is a right to be forgotten law. And I think Europe has a little bit their privacy laws are much more strict there. So I think I think there are things we can do. I mean, what can you do that doesn't require a goddamn computer or your phone? Yeah. In society now. And I know that's convenient, but we have to pay for that convenience. Yes, that's very true.


It comes at a price.


So I just I just am not to it's a boring subject to some people, but I'm pretty fascinated by it because I I do wonder where all of this ends up. What what good does it do to me? It gives a lot of power to a few people. And that really scares to me that's a problem for sure. But then again, I look back and I go, listen, if we were in the I'm going to I want to get the decade right.


But let's say the 30s. We were in the 30s, we would be freaked out about William Randolph Hearst, he'd be our Mark Zuckerberg or Jeff Bezos like we'd be like like his we ran Randolph first in those papers, helped get us into World War One.


I think whatever it was, the Wonder Woman was in the teens, obviously.


But but, you know, so I think it's like anything. It's their only seven stories. Is that what Joseph Conrad says? And, you know, the stories keep playing out, but it's like anything. Our world is on steroids. So it may have been that way with with with them then. But now it's just just on steroids like everything is today.


Yeah, I find I find that I just wish things would be quieter, I just think I don't know, that's why I'm not a I used to be a night person because I was a drinker in this and I'm now a morning person because it's the only calm I feel is in the morning. I think Regina Spektor has such a great line and something like The Mornings are wiser than the nights. Mm.


I've always liked that line.


It's a really good I mean, you know, as soon as you get older I have kids and all this stuff you, your, you think about things you didn't think about before. So it's kind of a fun new way of thinking of being protective or all that, or wondering about society more and more.


But you know, when I first moved to Los Angeles, I would get frustrated. Because I just noticed people were just talking about Brady Bunch Reunion, Brady Bunch episode, The Brady Bunch, like, did everybody just get reared on television?


And that's all we have to talk about.


I missed those days so much because now it's so heavy, right? It's everything's so heavy.


It is heavier for sure.


And I'm always down. I'm always down to clown with The Brady Bunch. So you don't have to, you know, drag me into that. Yeah. I got a lot of theories.


Be right back after this. Hey, Robert, what what age did you start acting? I just out of curiosity, I started in community theater in Ohio when I was eight. And always wanted to do it. Was a total idiot, did have no idea what that even meant. And then between really, really being like like laser freaky, weird little kid type focused on it and some blind luck and events like, you know, my parents divorce, which is terrible.


But the divorce led to my mom moving to California and being in California, put me in a place where I go to all these kind of things had to happen along with just crazy, freaky, bizarre ambition out of a kid sort of put me where I am, eight years old, child actor.


Let me entertain you.


Shut the fuck up. That was me of were you complaining about signing your headshots back then? Oh, I was I would go to school and be like, hey, I got these headshots. Like the surface of like, yeah, and just pound the shit out of me. Hey, guys, I did community theater in Ohio who wants to be my friend? Exactly. That was not an it was not a great opening gambit at all. Yeah.


By the way, now I think honestly now I think every sing, every other kid has headshots because the business wasn't like it was today. I mean, there was there was no MTV. There was no CW. There was no Marvel. There's nothing there was no there's no US magazine, none of it.


So the only time they lost their jobs. Oh, everything's kid centric today. Every every every third kid in Santa Monica High School has an agent. Not not when I. Yeah, that's Stardust's. Yeah. Tell me about your ski movie. I want to know about the ski movie. Ski movie.


Oh, the one that just came out 20 years ago. Yes. The one that just. Am I OK? So am I right.


Did I just see this like showing up in on my Netflix or whatever because I feel like I've seen it recently.


Oh, I don't I don't know where you one can see it. I don't know. I will say this. I went skiing last weekend. And I had my mask on and I had a knit hat on and you could see this much of me and the guy goes, last time I saw you was in a ski movie with Lee Majors.


That's how did you know? But anyway, I did a snowboarding movie actually with Lee Majors about 20 years ago.


So it's even worse than I think it is. As if if it's if it's a snowboarding movie, it's even worse than I think it is.


Oh, I know you were saying, oh, Lee Majors, is that it? No. Yeah, it's it's. No, no. It's it was a snowboarding movie that I think in a strange way. I know. Look, I haven't seen it since it was released, but my gut is it holds up.


Oh, I'm sure, guys. I don't know. I don't know why. I don't know. But I will say this not to be named ropy, but I got cast once in a movie by Sean Penn. He directed this movie. I was then called Into the Wild. Oh, yeah, of course. He called me and he asked me to be in it. And then I got it. And then I said yes. And then I worked on it.


I said I had to ask him. I said, how why did you call me me like?


Or he goes, Well, my son my son and I were watching the snowboarding movie you did with Lee Majors.


And so I got cast into into the Wild with the because of that movie, I, I sometimes mentor young actors and one of the things I always tell them is, is that what you're calling it though is that is that.


Oh my God, that's too good.


I think we know what to say. Grooming. Yes. I think we just found the title for this episode. Quote, Is that what you're calling it? Questionmark. Oh, my God, that's so I sometimes groom young actors and one of the things that I that I tell them, as they say, that you never see, you know, you never know what's going to come of any job, like good, bad, indifferent. It's like usually.


Yes, is the answer. And that's exactly why you do this snowboarding movie. It is what it is. Whatever.


And the next thing, Sean Penn, one of the greats, has cast you. I had that with Richard Eyre, who runs ran the National Theater and is made a ton of ton of great movies.


One of the great directors like the like, you know, really an intellectual cult called me and asked me to star opposite Dame Maggie Smith and Tennessee Williams suddenly last summer for the BBC. Wow. And I did it and it was great. And I asked him what? How? Because you just called me and he said he'd see me in Wayne's World. What the hell, so you just don't know. You never know, yeah, you'd never know it never.


It's a strange place.


Maybe, maybe what it really is, the stupider the movie, the more likely you are to get good work out of it. Maybe that's what we've uncovered, anthropologically, that I should be working a lot.


I mean, a lot of things, if that's the case.


When you interviewed Barack Obama, President Obama on Between Two Ferns today, did the Secret Service like where they were they around you in case you ask something that was they didn't want or were they going to, like, wrestle you to the floor between the ferns?


There was a small staff that came in with Obama, his what do they call, I think, his press secretary, who was actually the other person that got that Gerald Ford question. Right. Really?


President Obama didn't know that. President Obama did not know. I always knew it was smarter than Obama. Please. I was no smarter than that guy, but his press person did. But, yeah, that was I don't really remember.


I was pretty nervous doing that.


And I wanted to use my nervous energy because I don't you know, I always feel like I don't belong wherever I am, especially a White House, especially interviewing a president. So he came with some pretty good comic chops.


And on Between Two Ferns, we we usually don't.


You never, never really give anybody the answers or questions.




But because he was the president and also he he was limited on time, we I think we did share some of the questions, but he didn't know a lot of them, I don't think. And he did it we did it twice in a row and then it was done. I think they did it in ten minutes or so.


Again, I'm not really one to ask because I, I was kind of out of my body a little bit there, but I really imagine and then he called me afterwards and called my cell phone about three days later. Oh, shut up.


Cell phone rings This is awesome. Yeah. Do you get please hold for the president or is it just hey, how does that so I find it sounds so arrogant to go, oh God, I don't remember.


Was it Valerie James?


No, I'm pretty sure it was Valerie Jarrett who called me and said, hey, so I have somebody once she was calling to thank me about about that.


And then she said, somebody wants to talk to you.


Oh. And he gets on the phone, and I remember I was I was at a construction site. It was at a construction site by myself, and I've told this story before, but so he calls me. I'm at this construction site, we chat and he says, I hope this I hope this betters your career. And I almost said to him, I almost said to him, I hope it does yours, too. But at that point, the sketch part of it was over.


So it's nothing but respectful. You know, I didn't want to and we hung up and I didn't have any way to validate. To to. To. Document that that phone call, it just happened to me. So I just took a picture of the chair I was sitting next to, it is the chair I was sitting in at this construction site and I still have the photo. It's just an old chair next to a traffic cone. That's where that's the spot.


I get to talk to President Obama when he called me on the phone. Yeah, that was a real, real thrill. But also, I am for I mean, what we were trying to do is get people covered. The father of Obamacare, and so that layered with it was just kind of a a real honor to be a part of did you shoot at the White House? Was it. Did I hear you say you did it at the White House?


Yes, because we actually at the end of it. So usually we always have this black background.


But in that one, he pushes the there's this button in the middle, he pushes it and the black drops down.


And we reveal we're actually in a one of the state rooms in the White House.


So if you go back and look at it, yeah. It's actually the real White House.


No, that's a and also also I was pretty nervous that day. And I remember being twice reprimanded by White House staff, not staff, but yeah, I guess staff. I was one time I was sitting on this old, I don't know, Thomas Jefferson's chair that had been roped off.


And I didn't realize it. And it happened twice. This security person goes, why are you still sitting on? Don't you see that?


I was so embarrassed. I just, you know, look, I'm I'm from the mountains of North Carolina.


We don't know I don't know what I'm doing. That's amazing. So, yeah, but it was it was quite an honor.


And obviously. Yeah, that was that was a that was a fun time. He's funny man.


It's like it's so it's just so charming and winning when when our leaders have a sense of humor about themselves. Like I, I played JFK and I did so much research and there was so much great footage undiscovered if you kind of dig around.


And I watched one of his press conferences from start to finish and it was like a stand up act. I mean, it was he's unbelievably charming, so self-deprecating, like the level of self deprecation is off the charts and the press is just lapping it up. And and Obama had that, too, on the White House Correspondents Dinner. Have you ever been to one of those things? Where is this? The press corps and the president gets roasted and then he gets up and then roasts everybody?


He always used to crush that.


I was at the one that he with Trump and I was about ten feet away from Trump.


And they say they say, as you know, they say that was when Trump decided to run for president.


That's what that's what people look on Trump's face, looking back. That they're looking so that man doesn't know what to do with humor, right? He's so insecure. Yeah. That he was he was he didn't laugh at all during that. Didn't last one bit. I watched them, I've watched the his roast on Comedy Central two, and it's kind of the same. It's like you go when you're on a roast. The point is, like I did and which I also did one of those, the harder you get roasted, that's the point.


Like I loved it. Like the harder they hit me, the more fun it was. Yeah. Yeah.


Humor to somebody like Trump does it to me. It's his Achilles heel. I mean, I really do think it is. I don't think he would know what to do with being made fun of. I mean, he's got made fun of a lot, but the last four years. But I just think one on one, if I were ever in a room with that guy, I would just. You know, take him down with humor. Yeah, because humor is the greatest, humor is the greatest bullshit detector.


I think I want to ask you about really quickly, this is the greatest quote of yours.


I came up with that you made up that I came up with. Yeah, I came up with it. Well, it's got to be better than you could have said, Zack. I want you to have said. The underlying truth is that leading people, men and women, have to be good looking in Hollywood, and that to me is weird. It's like Hitler's dream. I love it, it's great. Did you say it? Do you remember saying I didn't say that so good.


Here's my thing. I guess my point of that is. Are we still at a point where we got to look at really beautiful people to tell us, yes, yes, we just yes, we are. Yes. Well, yes, I am.


I am as shallow as anyone with that stuff, you know what I mean? Like, we like to look at pleasant people. They're more fun to look at.


But I don't know, I I think some of the more interesting stories come from. From those that are not I don't know, I don't think Hollywood needs to Hollywood ize it stories, a lot of times that's I guess that's kind of my issue.


I agree with you, but I think it's in a very specific area of Hollywood where you see it like I can I can just tell you, when I when I came out, I lost. And nobody is going to have a benefit for me. I understand this is not going to engender a ton of sympathy, but if I had a list of all the parts I lost because I was they thought of the way I looked like, oh, you can't play a cop, never look like you.


So I'm on the other side.


On the other side. That conversation and you're on the other side of it is like I feel like also in the 70s it was the anti-hero where the movie stars you get Dustin DeNiro, you had Richard Dreyfuss, you had and and it goes on and on and on.


And then all of a sudden now we're living back in the era of kind of like the pop idol movie stars again, it seems like. And for sure, on TV, for sure, on TV, like I like to watch the show called Station 19, it's because I'm on a show about firemen, so I like to watch all the other firemen shows and and those firemen all have head shots. One hundred percent. I know they do. You know what I mean?


In that like. Right. We could use a little grit, I think, in the world. Right.


I guess you have the pretty the prettiness of Hollywood and its. You know, I get it, it's it's human nature. I just. In books, is that always the case when your protagonists in books, are they are they a lot of times described as chiseled or beautiful? Not really. Right. That's not the oldest. The books I read, they are, but. But the visual, I don't know.


I you know, you do interviews, Rob. You say things. You don't even know what you're. I don't know. I say, did you ever say this to them? Yeah, I guess I did.


This is a polygraph. It's just a conversation.


This is a polygraph. You know, I'm holding you to it now. It makes, by the way, is the automatic. No, no, no, no. Don't misunderstand me. No, no, no, Jack, don't misunderstand. I agree 100 percent. I don't want to come across like on the other side on the wrong side of history. Your views of good looking people. Now you're doing Lorne Greene. Yes. Big, big valley, Max.


There's an actor now, there's an actor right in a big valley was he was your boy, Lee Majors, your dream was Bonanza. I believe it was Bonanza.


Yes, that's right. Yes. Yeah, I can imagine that.


The thing is, a blizzard is coming and the cattle need to be moved to the north 40 Lorne Michaels as laundry.


You and I may have just stumbled onto something. Great. I'll see it. Yeah, you'd better get off my land. Now. So bad, it's not bad. So, so ridiculous. OK, sometimes I like to do hacky questions, not war, but I'm sure there are people that think this whole thing has been hackie. I'm sure I don't want to, you know, presuppose anything, but this is where I'm going to be happy. So tell me what you're working on now.


Zero. I mean, Ivan. What am I working on? I don't have any any I mean, there's a movie that's coming out, but I don't I haven't seen it and I don't know if it really will come out when they say it will. But I don't have anything that I'm doing. I'm trying to think of some things to do. Yesterday, I cut firewood for about two hours. That's today. I have to go get some more firewood.


That's what I have coming out.


Great. Have you talked to Bradley Cooper lately?


Yeah, not lately, but I've talked to them within the pandemic, did was there a lot of hijinx on the set?


I can only imagine with those crazy people, actors have nothing better to do than prank each other all day. I hate that narrative of prank.


What is that about, by the way? I was so glad you brought this up. If I had a nickel for every time.


Like, so on the outsiders. Were you guys just like playing jokes on each other? And it's like, do you did you ever surprise Martin Sheen with anything like what the fuck?


What we're making a movie or. I know.


I don't understand. I don't I know they I mean, it's fun to make a TV show, but there's work to be done.


I mean, I'm trying to think if I ever pranked anyone, can you imagine you like the law review interviewing like, you know, when she was alive.


Ruth Bader Ginsburg, do you ever like like surprises Clarence Thomas from behind or something? Or like what kind of hijinx do you guys get?


And do you like what the Justice Scalia used to be on all fours behind behind someone? They push the other justices down. Yeah, that's that's one of their great pranks they used to do.


Yeah. Oh yeah. What was his name. Justice Alito. Yeah, Scalia.


Maybe there is but there's Scalia was I still who was actually who I was thinking of. Well he was the funny, he was the prankster. Everybody knows that he was witty and Ginsberg got along right.


But politically they were so polar opposite. Right. Yeah, that was the whole thing. I have an interesting story about that dude. Oh, do tell. Oh, boy, is it good? Oh, look at we're going to have that we'll have this one offline. Oh, you you will.


I would love to tell you it's not that juicy, but it's it's interesting for sure.


I don't even know what my hacky interviewer would do with that except pivot to something as banal as humanly possible.


That's a pretty banal I know that word that God does, because, you know, Duke is close by.


I mean, you did see some smart people.


I used to date a girl, a young lady from Duke. I think she's a brain surgeon now. Greek Greek lady. Uh, but yeah, the Duke the Duke people and and where I went to school. We didn't mingle, if you know what I mean. The Hatfields and McCoys. Tell me about your audition for Frazier. I don't want to blow it. Do you remember it? Oh, man, did I talk about that once. You must have, because I've got the info.


Well, all I remember is I auditioned for Frazier once. And the feedback was, is that needed to take a bath? That's it.


I think that was the that was the only feedback which, you know, I was used to that feedback.


Know, I I just was so embarrassed that that was.


I mean, I am a bather, you say, did you was it true, did you need to take a bath? I mean, full disclosure, it has been a couple of days. It's a bath. But but I know I'm just not I wasn't I'm just not much of a groomer.


They just they were being very judgmental in that casting office.


And I just looking back, I just I mean, I've been I've been in the middle of an audition before and had female female casting directors go, hold on, stop.


Are you gay? What was the first swear to God?


The first laugh I ever got at an audition in that Hollywood town was I'd been there for a while and finally I get a laugh and then auditioned.


The problem was it was the first drama I had ever auditioned for. They were laughing.


They were laughing at me. And there were 17 people in the room. And I stopped and went, What are you laughing at?


Oh, no. And just see them squirm like that, I was playing a pilot where you had to go to the 30 or whatever, you know, that kind of thing, and, you know, in a fold up chair and I that was the first laugh because they were laughing at me.


So, yeah, the audition process is never was for me. It was never good at it. Yeah.


I kind of collect horrible audition stories. I think I would do a coffee table book about horrible auditions, I think. I think that's a great idea. Don't you think and and and and people's earliest headshots.


Oh, God, if you saw mine. Oh scratch and sniff. No, that's an old joke. I'm going to do that one of these days. And you'll be I'll put you on the cover. So my wife has a wall of my friends, her first headshots in the house. Oh, she's nice. She's not an actress, but there are some people there's one that you would not believe her headshot. You wouldn't believe it.


Come on. Who is it? You can tell me.


I can't say. I can't say I'm too. I'm too. Yeah, I can't say.


But it's really funny. The last commercial audition I went on for commercials I don't know was years and years ago. I remember the drive to Burbank and I remember. They were like, OK, we need you to get on all fours and eat a cracker. Sure. My point is I don't mind getting on all fours and eating a cracker. If I came up with the idea, the fact that somebody else is asking me, I have an issue with that and I never could do it.


I was like, I. I'd rather live in my car. Yeah, which I was doing, you know, I mean, not that I have integrity, I'm not I'm not. I'm not. You have to kind of put that behind you a little bit. But that that commercial audition process is it's so humiliating to a young kid and probably had nothing to do with even Cracker's or being on all fours.


There is like, hey, this guy would it was a dog.


It was a dog food commercial, rather, was representing the dog food.


OK, I guess. Yeah. So the stuff that no one will ever know, the things that we've had to endure that. Hey Rob, if you ever came on Between Two Ferns, I just thought a great first joke I would say about you hit me.


You're going to you're going to love this. OK, ready? So ready. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome my first guest, Mark McGraths.


So that's not bad, but that OK, we've got I'm not going to have these tips streaks put in the highlights, it's the did you get burned in your fire show?


You know what? I'm on my fire show. The lighting is a little dark.


And and and if I don't have these highlights in, it looks like I'm wearing a fucking helmet. Thank you. And now I'm totally I'm feeling very bad about it. I'm it's good.


It's fortuitous, though, because, see, there's a good word. It's fortuitous because I'm supposed to be having my hair cut and colored and I'm saying take out the Magrath demographic.


How how I did a pilot with Mark McGrath years ago. Oh, yeah. Yeah.


And he became he became a correspondent for some Disney for a minute, like he was like on E is as a host.


Oh, I thought he worked for Foreign Affairs magazine. Oh that was it.


That's what it was. By the way, I saw I saw Sugar Ray leave those guys. We'll be right back with the world's worst bragger. But I don't know if that's one of your eyes. I don't know if that's one of your icebreakers at parties, but I would really, really not do that one anymore.


That doesn't give me cred. I saw Sugar Ray and Zach Galifianakis. This has been great. I have to pee so badly right now. It's insane. Like, I've gotten to the point where, like, I'm an old I don't know what it's like when it comes on. It comes on. And I'm ending this interview not because you're not interesting or this hasn't been great, but I need an adult diaper because this is this is it's on right now.


I am fleeing the studio to pee.


Rob, can I tell you that I've already peed three times during the interview, and I have to tell you, it's not as uncomfortable as you would think. Now, the warmth is good for about 10 seconds.


Yeah. Yeah. But I buy my underwear from Ziploc, so I'm fine. So good. This is great. Thanks for having me, Rob.


I love a thank you for coming on. Really, truly. No, we were trying to figure it out for a long time and I'm so glad you did it. This was it was great. I mean, I feel like I could talk to you for a thousand years.


Well, just take your microphone into the bathroom. Let's keep going. No, thanks for thanks for having me.


All right, Zach, let's I hope our paths cross in the wilderness one day. Rob hey.


When I see you in town, as they say, don't act. Oh, yeah. Never talk to me because that's where I get really bummed out in that town. I promise you. I'll see Ed Helms. Hey, Ed, you'll stare at me and we work together, all three movies.


Our wives are friends.


Oh, Ed Helms is an asshole. Everybody knows that. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Everybody.


Everybody knows most unlikable person. One of the nicest, nicest man that they really is hard.


Zacky, literally a very nice goodbye. I'm going to go. Thank you. Bye bye bye. Oh, that was a close one. In case you're wondering, I made it to the bathroom. The only thing more satisfying than than that interview, which was I hope you liked it as much as I did, was Peine after it so good anyway? How funny is that he is such a quick man and he and I had never met, you know, a lot of times I have friends on the show and which is which is a whole great I love those conversations, but I also really like getting to know somebody.


And I really feel like I got to know him in this talk. And he did not disappoint if you liked it as much as I did. There's more to come next week. Please come back. In fact, download. I hope you guys have downloaded the whole thingamabob of literally you're not just like cherry picking your favorite episode. Oh, I like this person. I like that person.


Like, watch the whole listen to the whole thing, would you? Almar Good Stelmach, just just say no, I'm doing it all season, do that with you. All right. It is time for the Lowdown Line.




You've reached literally an hour low line where you can get the lowdown on all things about me. Rob Lowe, three, two, three five seven oh. Four, five, five, one, so have at it, here's the beep. Hey, Rob, this is Kim KDDI from Louisville, Kentucky. So today you wake up and you decide to write a screenplay set in Dayton, Ohio. Yes, that's right. What story would you tell and who would you cast?


Name three people you really want to work with outside of yourself. And that's my question for today. I read all your books. I love your podcast and hope you have a great day. Thanks.


Thank you, Kim, for calling in. And also thank you for reading the books. I always like to hear that. Well, there's two things at play here. There's what I would write about Dayton, Ohio, and who I would cast and then who my three favorite people are. So I got to figure out, do my three favorite favorite people. Actually, I was worried about. Having my three favorite people be able to be in my Dayton, Ohio story, so walking Phenix.


Is, I think, my favorite actor at the moment, and I think he's going to play Pepín Pepín was the neighborhood hould in Dayton, Ohio, who may or may not have been like a, you know, convict who is like the rough.


They might have had a switchblade and he he would, you know, steal things. And he was the guy we all kind of looked up to as a bad ass.


So maybe Joaquin Phenix in the Pappin, ding dong ditch stealing, you know, petty things out of the grocery store. And then eight year old Rob Lowe going, wow, I want to be like Pappin.


Unfortunately, Pepín met his his untimely end when he was being chased by the police and jumped over a barbed wire fence and the barbed barbed wire caught him in the nut sack and he was rushed to the hospital. And we never saw Pappin again. That might prevent Joaquin Phenix from doing the role. But that is the truth. And truth is, as you know, stranger than fiction. All right. Thanks. See you next week. You have been listening to literally with Rob Lowe, produced and engineered by me, Devon Toribiong, IT executive produced by Rob Lowe for low profile Adam Sachs and Jeff Ross at Team Coco and Collin Anderson and Chris Bannon at Stitcher.


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