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Hey, weirdoes, I, Marlena. My mash. And this is morbid, morbid in your face, morbid in your face, all up in your face, food.

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This is an ash centric. Oh, honey, this week is an ash centric week. It's a two parter.

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Ash style Ash is doing a two parter. I think I've only ever done. I'd like to think you've only ever done one, two parter, but actually just one. You did. I did. Laurie Valla.

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And I've done I think Charlie Manson was a two burner. Yeah. So you're a seasoned veteran. It doesn't feel like this. I think I like Laurie Valo is my first deep dive and do two parter. And this was like I was on the ocean floor.

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You were you're you're digging through into, like, the magma.

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Yeah. Yeah, I'm excited. I'm at the Earth's core. What's the other one? Not really sure. Mantle sure is their mantle. And there is this man. Yeah, I'm there. You're there. All right. I think cause further. So I was same core. I'm not there at all. All right, cool. You know, don't don't overshoot.

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I guess so. Hey, guys. Welcome to our show. Hello. So I think we have just a couple of things we wanted to mention. We just wanted to say that, again, all our live shows that were scheduled in 2020 are in 2021 now.

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Well, we don't have dates for everything, but we will certainly let you know I've removed all the old dates from our Web site. I'll update that as soon as I have the new ones.

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And you should get emails, too, from whoever you purchase tickets with new dates.

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But we'll remind you, like did the venues are going to end up telling you, you know, this has been rescheduled. But you know what? Same here. Why should you have to do work? We're going to let you know as soon as we know. And if you can hold on to your tickets, that's gnarly because gnarliest for you will be able to take those tickets and use them for the new date.

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And we can. Heying Finally to the extreme. If you can't, though, because shit happens 2021, we just. Who knows? I hope it's a better year. Corvids been a tough one for people. It's been tough financially, emotionally, physically, all kinds of good stuff. Yeah. So if you for some reason need to get rid of that ticket, you can't hang onto it for them. We understand. We hope you can all hang onto your tickets, but obviously we understand.

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And if you have to do a refund or whatever he needs to do, just contact your venue or the people you bought the ticket from. And they help you.

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But again, we hope we get to see you all. And I want you to anyone. Aldo's Feiss. Yeah, we really do.

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And we're sorry that, you know, it keeps getting bumped and, you know, dates are going everywhere, obviously very much beyond our control, very beyond anybody's control at this point.

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Pandemic's are crazy and we have not all really lived through one like this. So, you know, we're all just working with what we can. But yeah, we know it's frustrating. We're frustrated, trust me, because we were so ready for a full year of just like seeing your face because we got to do like two mini live shows, which are just warm ups.

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And then we went to the fucking Gramercy and I was like, oh, bitch, this is it. Okay, I got to yell, thank you, New York. I felt like, yeah, that's cool. It was so fun. And it made me be like, all right, let's do this. And I was ready. Yeah. Had we had like stage ready to go. Got so excited about it.

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I had like four fucking pairs of pants in my closet right now that I've just been waiting to wear. That's not an exaggeration. That's real. I've seen them.

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Yeah. And they, they are real and. But you know what? All of this excitement and all this prep that we're telling you about right now, it's going to get even better in twenty, twenty one. So everything that we thought was gonna be rad in 2020, we're just gonna just bump it up right now.

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We're actually trying to figure out how to do fireworks onstage. Just pyrotechnics. No, no, no, totally. But we're still going to make it. We're gonna make it awesome.

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So if you have tickets and you're like, oh, no, no, trust me, that's only worth it. It's gonna be we're gonna put your thing down, flip it and reverse it.

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We truly are. So, yeah. So that's just the business about tickets again. We'll let you know as soon as we know.

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There's some real bummer news that happened like late, late last night. Yeah. And he was telling me about it today and I was like, what? Yeah.

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So I went to bed last night and John was up late working because he's been working from home. And it's like just craziness with kids. He ends up having to work late at night.

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And he was he came in and I think I just woke up when he walked in the bedroom and he was like, Do you watch Glee?

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And I was like, no, no. And I was like, no. But I know Glee. It's not likely. That's exactly the exchange that. Yeah, that's it's like did you ever watch Glee? And I was like, no, no. Like I did. I'm not a musical kind of girl.

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I've never watched even a second of it. I don't mind musicals. I just never got into that show. Yeah. I'm sure it was awesome, but I just never watched it.

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The love that show. And I but I know like the actors who are on it. I know the whole point. People say that there's like a glee curse. Yeah, well, it's this is very scary.

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So. He told me about Niah Rivera, who's like 33 years old. Yeah. That's young, really young. That's a year younger than me.

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And she's a Glee actress. And last night, apparently, it was it was announced that she had gone out on a lake, on a little pontoon boat with her four year old son, who adorable and God, often they they don't know where she is.

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The four year old said that I somebody had reported that the four year old had told authorities or whoever found them that, you know, she went in the water and she didn't come back.

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And to me, that's the most heart wrenching, horrific thing I've ever heard in my entire life.

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It's just so strange because he's like, why? And he was wearing a life jacket, but her life jacket, his uncle's on the boat. Yeah. And at first it was like a search and rescue mission. And they changed it to a recovery mission. Yeah.

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In the middle of she's presumed dead now, which is horrific and so sad and so like, oh, it's just such a freak. Weird accident. And and now it's like what happened? Yeah.

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I think there's. I think we're gonna find out a lot in the coming week. I mean, obviously, it doesn't look good, but I'm I holding out hope maybe something happened and she'll be found, OK.

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But like it I mean, it doesn't look good, but, you know, everyone can hold out hope. You have to. Right. But yeah, they haven't found her yet. I just looked it up to see if anything has been announced, but nope. They have not found tonight yet. But so sad. I know. Such like.

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And I mean by all accounts she was like an amazing person, amazing mom, amazing talent. It's like what happened. What happened. Now that poor four year olds and all, I had a traumatizing situation all around me.

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I hope he has like family that he can go be with. It sounds like he does. Yeah. He's like, you know, and they said he's healthy. He's OK. That's good. So that's good. But man, what a story.

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Like what a weird just with how far it is.

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And, you know, we'll we'll update when we find out what's going on.

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But, you know, once everybody cross your fingers that it's something weird is going on and then she just shows up. Right. That some happen, weirder things have happened, you never know.

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I mean, they found Elizabeth Smart alive. So that was the guy was the shouter of the century. So we all thought she was gone. So you just never know. You got to hold out hope. That's all we got. That's all we got. It's all we have. It really is. So that's a bummer.

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But I wanted to mention that because I thought it was important.

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Next this coming week, we are going to be covering the Vanesa again case. So get ready for that, guys, because I think we have as much information as we're gonna get right now.

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I think we have a good amount for a full episode. Yeah. Get this point.

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Want to cover it now? So we'll be covering that. But today, what are we going to be covering?

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We are covering and this is like a highly requested case. Sure. Is the Galveston Eleven. Isn't that like the Texas killing fields? It's part of the Texas killing, yeah. Well, the Texas killing fields is a massive.

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We'll be covering more thing. Yeah. With that. But yeah, this is part of it. But this case has the first body that was ever discovered in the Texas killing. Oh, I just saw that. Actually, we're not going to get into that. In part one, it's going to be in part two. Don't worry.

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But it's OK. So in 1998, this guy, Edward Harold Bell, he sucks.

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He roams like he sucks.

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Right. Me. He wrote multiple confession letters to prosecutors in not only Galveston, but Harris, which is also like a community about eleven unsolved murders in Galveston, Texas, Moule. And he completely admitted he went into detail about many of the victims, went as far as to say what they were wearing, what he used to shoot them, like what kind of gun, where it was.

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Things that only he would know. It seemed that way. But there's also like maybe he read it like a lot of newspapers.

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Absolutely. Because when it comes to clothing and stuff, you could've heard it, right?

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He didn't necessarily say anything that wasn't mentioned at one point. OK. But all of the things that he mentioned in his letter were never laid out in one place. So you would have had to gather from Renney different places and like he would have had, like, many newspapers in his jail cell. So so there's a lot that would've been like a little bit much.

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So then he went back and retracted everything that he had said and he claimed that he was suicidal. And he thought by confessing to all this, he would be killed by the state.

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No, it's like it doesn't necessarily work that way. And I feel like you probably knew that. I feel like this is just like a convenient excuse so that it sounds like a game.

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Sounds like a game. Sounds like he's autist tooling it and Henry Lee Lucas sing it. And it sounds like he's out here.

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Willes in because he also said he'd actually never killed anyone. Oh. Which is weird because he was in prison for. I was going to say he's like, you know what? It's crazy. I actually never killed a single person, actually shouldn't be in here at all.

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And everybody's like, yeah, but you should, though, because, like, there were multiple witnesses to you killing somebody, bro. Come on. We're going to get into all that.

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So cute. What kind of dog is here? She. You're like a real one. Yeah.

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I'm excited. We got to start at the beginning. Start at the beginning. That's a great place to start. You know, it always is. So Edward Bell, he was born in 1939. Long time ago. Apparently, he was in the Boy Scouts. And I read a few articles that said he had a pretty typical childhood. All right.

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It doesn't really seem like that if you're going based off of what he says about his childhood, because whatever he has to say was not at all normal.

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I mean, which could be the truth.

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I mean, but it also could also be him saying, see, this is why I do this. Exactly. I could be like an excuse conyer's the validation. It's really hard to take him for what he's worth. Like, it's very difficult. It sounds he's very much an honest tool. Yes. Slash Henry Lee Lucas. Yes, exactly. So he says that he became a sex criminal at the age of three. All right.

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Already I'm starting to think that maybe he's a bullshitter, like, probably. So there's this woman name, I think. OK. So I think her name is Lisa. It's Ally SC Lease. But in the documentary, they call her Lisa, like the narrator does. But then also other people in the documentary call her lease. So like, which is it? So please, let's just call our lease. Cool. So if everything and if anybody knows for sure, let us know.

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Yeah, sure.

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Let me know. Nicely. Nicely. She worked for she was like a journalist, an investigative journalist.

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And she has all these honors like she is gone to fuckin town in her investigative journalism for her. She's a bad bitch. Yeah. So she basically went out to see him in prison because after these she got her hands on these confession letters and was like, what the fuck?

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Like, what are you about? What now?

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So she he agreed to like, do an interview with her in prison.

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And he told her while she was visiting that when he was three years old, he was outside playing in the backyard and like his older brother, who was like five at the time, came out and was like, let's go see your girlfriend on the street. Now already I'm like, what, Sara? And they go to see this neighbor girl. And Ed says he remembers wanting to take off this girl's clothes.

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No, he's three. I'm like, you don't know that.

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That doesn't make any sense. No. So he did.

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And his brother left. A three year old took off, apparently. Yeah. So far, this checks out. Checks out. He did. And the girl's mom came out and, like, flipped out. And then he said when his parents found out, he got home and basically his mom just like, beat the shit out of him with a stick. And that's when he became a sex criminal. I'm going to call bullshit on that because of many things.

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One. Three. How do you remember that? Three. Right. Three. Because my again, my girls are four. Right. They don't remember anything from when they were three. And that was like six months ago. I mean, I guess this would be like a memorable experience in your life because it's so traumatic.

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You would remember. Like, there's certain things because people say and I'm sure people will say that they remember certain things from when they were like three, four or five.

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Yeah. Like little things. But you wouldn't remember something like I wanted to take her clothes off.

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Right. You don't. You're not revealing your motivations or you're right. You're just going to remember things that happened. Maybe. And maybe I mean, three is not when you're not making a lot of memories at three.

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No, it's not happen. And you're certainly not becoming a sex criminal at three. It's not happening. You just don't you don't have the capacity for that. Right. When you don't know what sex is.

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Your brain is not developed in any way. Really.

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It's really not like you're still learning what the actual world around you is. Exactly. No, it doesn't know me. That's bullshit. And not only is that bullshit, it's really offensive that he's like, yeah, people believe this because I'm like, finally. I think we're dumb. And it's really just like a really gross, yucky story. Like, it makes me want to let go take a shower. It shows how gross he is. He.

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Oh, we're gonna find out. Grossinger's. So it also really like lends itself to this story that he has because he says this was the first memory that he had where he realizes or realized that his actions were being controlled by the program again. No, no. The program, three years old. So we're gonna find out that talks a lot about this fucking program, which is, according to him, a government program that brainwashed him into doing all the bad things he did throughout his life.

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Wow. What a convenient, convenient. Am I right? And we at one point he legitimately blames FDR. Wowsers like my cat is named after. So that's awkward. And, you know, I just I feel bad, Fred, because apparently you just never had a chance. No, he never did.

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It's like, OK, that was full sarcasm for anybody that couldn't read that just so that he never had any control over his life path.

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No, sir. Yeah, this is that if it's true, he also claims that when he was eight years old, he was molested by a cousin at the direction of his own father. That's horrific. And, you know, I, I could I heard things right. That horrific happening so that I'm not going to be like. Absolutely. I would like that. Could have that definitely could have happened. And if it did, that's horrific. And I feel bad for child him.

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Right.

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Exact adult him. And then the final thing kind of. When he was 15 years old, he believes that his father hired a hitman to kill him while they were out squirrel hunting together in the woods. And he said his father wanted to kill him because, quote, the program wasn't working. So, like, his dad set him up with this program and like, he felt as though it wasn't working. So he wanted to kill him.

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This seems like a lot of layers. It's very layered law.

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So in other news, I did go to Texas, a caller. He did go to Texas. He went to Texas. You went to college in Texas, Texas A&M. And he played the trombone and Naggie marching band. Hey, I get it. He met his first wife in college then. Sounds great. Three kids together. So I feel like this really could have been like Ed's chance to really turn things around. Have a better future for himself.

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But that's not at all what I did. Ed was arrested at least seven times for things like rape, aggravated aggravated rape, indecent exposure and indecency with a child.

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OK. Those are Alah.

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Really horrific thing, really horrific. It's not your like, getting arrested for, you know, petty theft or like having some weed on you in the day.

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No, no, it's really bad. What I'd like to do was he like to get naked from the waist down.

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Find young girls who were like in groups together and alone. And he typically he like people to be like these girls, to be younger than like 16. That's really disgusting. None of these girls were over 18. It's disgusting.

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But somehow he always avoided prison time, like he never got prison time for any of these indecent exposures or these rapes.

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And he would just walk up to these girls without his pants on and just be masturbating. What I felt was so many of these, like weird dudes do that. And it's like a weirdest fucking thing.

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One of the most horrifying things I would ever see is just it just like a dude, Winnie the pooh poohing it like this was nothing good about that.

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No. No note to all men. Never think that it's like a good thing to walk into a woman just white with a shirt on and nothing from the waist down. And I also just don't understand, like. The great thrill that you get out of that. It's like I mean, I'm glad you don't because one area but it's this. But they do that. It's you know what it is. It's not for us to understand. It's like I don't control things, a power thing.

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And it's a fear thing. It's a terrorizing thing. They know that by doing that, they won. Who put you in a situation that you can't get out of? Right. Because you're just trapped. You've seen what? You've already seen it already.

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Already. You've already been traumatized. Right. And then they get this power of just using you without your permission to jack it.

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It's so gross. That's the ball. It's like a Louis C.K. thing. Exactly. It's a rape from a distance. It is what it it absolutely is. Well, like I said, somehow he always avoided prison time, which is just fucking mine.

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What do you mean people do? But you also it was the 70s. So it's like, you know, it's like the Golden State killer thing.

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Right. And like when we talked about it on like like our patrons now we gotten into a discussion about that. I'll be gone in the dark. Right. They talk a lot about how in the 70s, rape was just it was like, what did you do to man?

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All right. Just a simple assault. Exactly. So instead of going to prison, he would have to complete psychiatric treatments instead. Okay. So I also think and there's I'm going to talk about an investigator later on who totally believe this, believes this as well. I think that maybe that's when all this program bullshit started because he realized that he could avoid jail time by being like, I am cuckoo nuts. Yeah. Like, I think that happens.

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Like the program is making me do this because FDR has taken over my brain program.

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Yes. I think that if he had gone to prison, though, a lot of the girls that we're going to talk about in part one and part two would absolutely 100 percent be alive today. Absolutely.

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So like I said, Ed Bell wrote multiple confession letters. One particular letter talks about, quote, the 11 that went to heaven. That is so spooky, so spooky.

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And it's like, you can't I could not find this fucking letter anywhere if anybody can find it. Let me know how down. There's an A&E documentary. It's like a docu series. Think it's seven, six or seven parts.

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I watch the whole thing twice because I was like, holy fuck. And they they quote from this letter a lot. But then I tried to find it and I think in its entirety. Yeah. And where is it.

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I'll have to look for it. But he writes a poem about these girls and he that's where the title comes from. It's the eleven that went to heaven. Oh, that's tariff. So fucking creepy. In these letters he specifically talks about some of like like actually specifically name some of these girls or he'll be like the two from Dickinson or like the two from here, like this one had this color hair and like this colored jackets and it all lines up.

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So it's like I feel like it's just too convenient that you would like remember all of that from a newspaper because the way he writes about it is like he was there. Yeah.

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It seems like the way he remembers it is how you really do remember situations. Exactly. This one's you know, Nancy, I remember Nancy, but this one had brown hair and I can't remember anything. Right. This one I remember her jacket, you know, like do you naturally remember thing, right? Because a lot of times, even if you do have a photographic memory, he would have remembered all the names. I feel like. Exactly.

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Now. Yeah. So he specifically talks about killing 15 year olds Debbie Akerman and Maria Johnson, as well as seven other girls, 15 years old, 15.

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And that's not even the youngest that we're going to talk about. Maria and Debbie were last seen in front of a Baskin Robbins ice cream shop on November 15th. Their friend, Cindy Thompson worked at this Baskin Robbins. OK, so it was a holiday from school.

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It was like a teachers meeting or something like that. So everybody was off from school. Everybody was kind of just like doing different things. And this was like a little surf town. So like people are run at the beach. You're going here. They're everywhere. Took a fantastic. Absolutely. So Cindy remembered that everyone was off from school.

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Everybody was kind of like congregating in the Baskin Robbins. And she was friends with Marie and Debbie. And she was like, oh, look, what are you guys doing today? And they were like, our plan for the day is to hitchhike to Houston, which that really wasn't, like, abnormal.

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It was not Bandy's. That's just kind of what you did. Like, now you'd be like, what? And by the way, sorry, I don't know if I said it. This was seventy one oh seventy one. So like primetime hitchhiking. Absolutely. She was like, OK, cool. Like have fun. Like see you later.

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Prime time hitchhiking in primetime. Worst time to hitchhike. Yeah, exactly. That's why I feel like that's why so many crimes are unsolved from the 70s, because it's like you just anybody could have been fucking passing through and you just got in their car.

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Oh, that definitely had a lot to do with it being such a dangerous decade. Just availability of victims. Exactly.

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So Cindy remembered that Maria was wearing a white top and red pants. And the last time she saw Maria and Dubbie, they were getting into a white van. Oh, no, never.

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Never. Ganzer white van. White vans, man. She said that the driver was 100 percent a man. She said she didn't see his face, but she saw his arm. And she was like, it's definitely a dude. And she was like, Maria and Debbie seem to recognize this guy because they were talking to him for, like, a little bit before they got in. And then they got in and they were off.

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And that's the last time she ever saw her friends. Because two days later, Maria's body was found in the turnour by you.

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Her hands were bound.

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She was naked from the waist down. And then the day after that, Debbie's body was also found in the Turner bio. The same word.

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Now, Belle has like a bunch of different stories about seeing Debbie and Maria that day.

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That, of course, he goes he goes with the first story that he told was that he led them to the water after raping them. He stood on the bridge and he had them, like, walk into the water, like, kind of waiting in and shot them both with a three 357 Magnum while they just stood there on water, like facing away from him. And they they were shot like that's exactly how they died. So he knew that and he knew that where they were found.

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And he describes standing on the bridge. And it's like it it all adds up. Yeah. So that's the first story that he told. He later said that wasn't true and he had actually never heard of those girls, dude, like. So we go from here standing on the bridge shooting them and then you never know, raping them after raping and now you just didn't know them and you never knew them then.

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His most recent story is that and this is right before he died, that he told this story was that, oh, he did, in fact, pick them up from the Baskin Robbins ice cream store. And they told him that they were sick of high school boys and they wanted a real man. No. And I'm sorry if you see what he looks like, like back in the day, it was like they definitely wouldn't have gone to him if that's what they want, ABS.

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And I doubt that like that just never happen. No, I don't even doubt it. It just didn't happen. One, it's a classic. It's they want.

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You wanted. That's what it is. They want to so desire. Look at me.

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And he said after he finished having sex with them, he dropped them off at a theater. Oh, Soane such a gentleman. Like, it's so weird that you dropped them off because, like, they were found dead that day. Yeah. So no one saw me at the theater. Doesn't make any sense.

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And did he drive a white van? He did drive away at the time and the van was later burned. F y. Oh that's fine. Yeah. Not literally nothing else like that. I could find nothing else about that. Just that it was later bird and fur and repainted. Repainted first Linberg. And it's not out of this world to think that Debbie and Maria would have known who Ed Bell was because Debbie and Maria were both super into surfing and water skiing.

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They were both like really good at water skiing. And they would have known him from the surf and dive shop that he co owned. Oh. With this guy named Doug prunes me.

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Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Hi there. Now, this was like the police to be in Galveston because everybody was into water sports, water skiing, like surfing, and they sold all that stuff there. And it's like I just picture, like, this little beach town. Yeah. Summer vacation. We're like, you're all hanging out at, like, the surf and dive shop. Like, I'm thinking of the movie Jaws. I mean, I'm thinking of it, too, because it's like.

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Yeah, so that's where they were and he fucking co owned it. So it's like, yeah.

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He definitely they, they ran across each other's path on multiple occasions. And Doug Burns said that he actually this is so weird. I'm like how did you co own something with this guy. He said he didn't know it very well.

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It's like. All right. I don't know. Gets a little bit of distancing. He was like I just nobody came around the store a lot.

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And he told me that he needed somewhere to sell his dive equipment. And I was like, yeah, I sell it here. It was like, how did he become a co-owner?

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I was to say, that's a jump. You should have a lot of discussion about that. He was probably just like a chill surfer dude. He's like, yeah, sure.

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Honestly, it makes sense. You want to co own it. He's like, do you listen to the Beach Boys? All right, cool. This other guy that worked there named Jimmy Summerfield said that Ed was always come in and go in and he knew that Ed was a con man of sorts and he was always up to something. He was like, I knew that guy was up to something.

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He would use Whiley, that one. He was a wily coyote.

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So Debbie and Maria were not the only pair of friends to go missing from Galveston and turn up in a gruesome manner. OK, next pair, we're going to talk about 13 year old Sharon Shaw and 14 year old Ronda Rene Johnson. So they went missing on August 4th in 1971. OK, so Ronda went by Rene. Rene was like super into music and surfing, a lot of these girls were into surfing because they lived in Galveston, which is probably how he was picking them out, too.

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Exactly. Because they probably hung out at the surf shop and she loved to hang out with her best friend, Sharon. Sharon was the younger one of the two. But everyone says that she was the leader and she had this, like, confidence about her, like she knew what she was doing. Good for her. And she had big dreams of becoming a pro surfer. And she talked about this all the time. She was like, I'm going to run away to California when I'm old enough and I'm going to be like a pro surfer.

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Oh, so she and Ronnie wanted to go to the beach one day, probably to go surfing, likely.

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So their friend Glenda Willis drove them out to the beach in Galveston. And then she was like, I got to get to work. Like, are you got? I think she hung out there for a little bit. And then she was like, I got to go. Like, Are you guys coming? And they were like, nope, like, we're good. We're gonna hang out longer. So it was just the two of them there together.

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And Glenda ended up being the last friend to see them alive. Oh.

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Imagine. I always think of that. The poor people that end up being like, all right, see you later.

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When it's like that, like you run into so many people like that in this story, obviously. And it's like the last people feel so much guilt. They're like, I just should've never let Lafe go.

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I think of every little possibility, like maybe the day or maybe if I had made them come with me.

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Like, of course, it's natural. It's human. It's just not true. It's like survivor's guilt. It just makes me so sad. Those people have to live with that extra layer. Yeah. Is sadness.

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So they went missing August 4th. They weren't found until February 1972. And it was August 4th, 1971. So it took a very long time for their bodies to be discovered. Yeah. Sharon's remains were found first by a man fishing at Taylor Lake. All in all, they found 29 of her bones. And with her bones, they found pieces of tied up black twine. Then Rene's skull was found in like Upper Taylor Lake. So say they're kind of the same deal, like one.

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They just like drifted apart. Yeah. The currents probably. Yeah. And they had to use dental records to identify Rene.

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Wow. Yeah. So in his letter, Ed Bell had said that he tied Debbie and Maria up. So this kind of explains the ties that aren't found in line with Sharon. Sharon's body. Exactly. It was also noteworthy now that there's two sets of friends to go missing. They have similar interests like water surfing. Yeah, water surfing. Well, you know, water, safe water skiing and surfing. And they're similar ages. Yeah. And it's like it's weird that, like, two girls go missing.

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Yeah. I'm like, that's a weird thing. Yeah.

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The main thing that people hold on to is that Ed like for this case is that Ed Bell referenced a blonde and a brunette in his confession, left a letter. And many people think that the blonde brunette killed together that summer where Sharon and Rene. Oh, OK.

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So a few years later, we're going to flash forward to September of 74. There was another pair of girls to go missing together.

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Yeah, somebody take note. Yeah. I'm like, how one. No. The other thing is these are like not all of these are in Galveston.

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And there's so many police commissioner has jurisdiction jurisdictions and they don't want to work with each other, never want to share information, especially in the 70s.

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They well, yeah, it was like a like a competition. Oh yeah. They all had huge, huge mustaches, lots of mutton chops. And they were like, no, not Sharon.

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And holding everything close to my chest. Also probably going to do the most minimal amount of searching for these.

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I'm going to do the absolute least amount of water. I am corrupt as fuck. So September 74, another pair of girls goes missing from Dickinson this time. Now, Dickinson is not that far away from Galveston. It's like a twenty five minute drive, OK? And that's also a town that was mentioned by Ed Bell in his confession letter. I yes, I remember you saying he references killing two Dickenson girls. OK, so these girls were 12 year old Brooks Bracewell and her best friend, Georgia Geer, who was 14 years old.

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Come on. It's like twelve years old. Year old dude. Ridiculous.

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My God. So Brooks in Georgia knew each other because they lived in the same neighborhood and they were like inseparable. Like they were best friends. So another group of best friends. That's awful. So Brooks was a tomboy. And Georgia loved a good adventure. So they were like a match made in heaven. Absolutely. Brooks's stepbrother said that the last time he saw them, they said that they were going to hitch a ride to school because they were like, fuck waiting for the bus at the bus stop that he last saw them.

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And then along the way, they ended up deciding that they wanted to have an adventure together. They didn't feel like going to school. Course they did. It was a Friday. So it feels like going to school, not me. And it's the 70s again. Carefree. Nobody cares. I'm going to hitch a ride. Wherever true and see whatever. Don't give up. So the last place that they were seen together was the El Rancho Motel.

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The motel. Strangely enough, like picturing a motel for like as a place for kids to hang out. Yes. Bizarre. But this particular motel was where the kids hung out. All right. There was a room with like a pool table, a bar and like some other light. It's like a game room. Yeah, exactly. Picture.

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Kind of almost like an arcade. Yeah. Like maybe they have got the billiards table. It's got. Yeah. All that jazz. So people would come there after school, especially on the weekends. So it wasn't unusual that they cut school. They're hung out like they might have gone to like the corner store or something before that. But they definitely were lasting at this motel because Brooks's older sister Sherry went there with her friends after school on Friday and she saw Brooks in Georgia.

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And she's like, what the fuck are you guys doing here? Because they're younger. Yeah. Everything was wrapping up. People were heading home. And Brooks and Georgia were like, hey, Sherry, can we grab a ride with you and your friends now? Sherry obviously regrets this to this day. She had come with like two or three of her guy friends and she was like the older sister. This is her little sister.

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She's like, nope, you guys found your way here. Find your way home. Oh. And it's a tough one.

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There were like wasn't technically room for them in the car anyways. Yeah, but it's like. But of course she's she probably hung on to. Right. And then one of her guy friends who was in the car at the time says he remembers turning around and looking at them and either I don't know if it was George or if it was Brooks, but he saw one of them, like put their thumb in the road like they were going to hitch a ride home.

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And that's the last like he was like.

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It is burned into my memory. That is your last image I have of them. Can you imagine? Because, you know, whatever car they got in, too, was that was the one who was like you just watched it happen.

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Oh, it's awful. And of course, nobody could ever know. Well, you know, and you don't know.

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And everybody everybody who goes missing or is murdered, they saw someone last. There's always there's always a lost sight. Lost someone. And it's like, you know, here I'm lucky enough to be it. It's like it's not your fault, man. No, of course not.

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The shittiest thing about this is not only the fact that Sherry has all this guilt, but also the police treated Brooks in Georgia's case like they were runaways. Of course they did. Now, remember, this is a 12 year old and a 14 year old. And their family was like, no, like these are not runaway girls. Like, I think Brooks had literally 28 cents in her pocket. Yeah. And they had they didn't like they ditched their bags before school.

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They didn't have bags or anything.

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They were runaway. And you would think they would bring a bag with them right on somewhere. The family hung up their own wanted poster or excuse me, missing posters. What can I tell you?

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Can I've seen to do their own missing persons posters because the police didn't even go as far as to do that.

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Wow. So when they were finally found, it was in a ditch in near an oil patch in Alvin, Texas. Oh, wow. Their remains were found in a ditch and remains had been found there in that ditch previously, about two years after the girls went missing.

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But not all of them, like it was only like some remains that were never identified.

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OK. And then years later, like two more years later, Matt Wango, he was the sheriff in. I think it's Brazoria County. He was the sheriff at the time. And he was like, I want to go back out there and see if there's more. Yeah. So there was more. And during that, like, shady investigation, they they actually did take dental records, luckily, like that's like with the only thing that they did do.

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So when Matt went out there and found the rest of the remains, they had to again use the dental records. Yeah.

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To confirm that it was Brooks and Georgia man and that all the remains were together and they were all together.

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Exactly. They weren't babies, man.

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All these kids or babies like literally like one of these girls was 12 years old, years old. It's the saddest thing ever. And the other thing that this is like a haunting little piece of information, Brooke says last known outfit was a golden sweater and plaid pants. Oh, and fragments of the gold sweater were wrapped up within the remains.

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Oh, I was like, that reminds me of the lovely bones for some reason. Yeah.

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So if I move, you will fuck you up this case. I'll call you everything. And also that's like got such a 70s vibe. So it does. It makes you think cause it's from this is it. I think it's set in the 70s. Yeah. So at this point we have three sets of missing girls that turn up murdered in either in Galveston or like twenty five minutes away yet.

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So clearly we have a serial killer working in the same area. And if you think of it, four of the six girls had ties to the surfing and diving community. Mm hmm. Which we knew that Ed had strong ties to. And he confesses and stands by the fact that he did see Debbie Akerman and Maria Johnson on the last day they were alive. Yeah. So it's like, OK, this is perfect. Like, why don't we have anything?

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It's like the whole thing is so frustrating when you say you're mentally. And the other thing is so we know that he co owned that ski and or water skiing and like surf shop. Yep. He also lived by a ski school. He lived like a few blocks away. And it was a ski school that four of the girls who were like into the water sports, they went there all the time. Yeah. It's like he's got opportunity. You've got everything.

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It's right there.

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So he wasn't a suspect at the time, though, because I don't even think anybody knew of him at this point.

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People just didn't know who had Bill. Right. They had no idea. But in 1972, which was a couple years before Georgia and Brooks went missing. But I just wanted to talk about everybody first. There was a man arrested in connection to one of these cases. So that was the case of Rhonda Ronnie Johnson and Sharon Shaw. OK. The second set. Yes. The second set of girls. Exactly. So there was a lot more pressure on this specific case because Rene's grampa was Roy Johnson and he was a city councilman at the time.

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He also went on to become the mayor. Oh, so he had a lot of say. So yeah, he was getting, like, real pissed off that it didn't seem like anything was coming from the investigation that was being done is like, what the fuck is going on? Yeah. So at the time, this police officer, David Coburn, was doing the investigation and the sheriff at the time was excuse me, at the sheriff, the police chief was J.C. Norman, OK.

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So and this was a seven man police force and David had never worked a murder before.

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Oh, that's good. So it was like obviously that's probably why like how much was being done. Everything seems legit. So Roy Johnson is like, fuck all of you. You're all fired. He basically makes it so that almost the entire police force is like fired and you danzon these new dudes. So the new dudes that he brings in are Don Morris as police chief now and his assistant, Tommy Deal.

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OK, so these are cool names. I'm not going to lie.

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Tommy Deal like Tommy Diehl, like, OK. Yeah, wait until you find out what happens. Tommy was the one who took over this investigation of what happened to these girls primarily. What do you know, nine days of investigating this case. He's already got a suspect, made an arrest and got a confession. Wow. Tommy. Tommy, deal making deal is he's the real deal.

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Sounds pretty perfect, right? Sure does. So I bet it is true. It's pretty perfect. All right. So Michael Loyd's self was a peeping Tom. Were they? And this is a quote, a stunted mental growth. OK. So I gather from that what you will just take from it what you want. Exactly. He was a gas station attendant and he typically worked the nightshift. OK, Glenn Price was like another city councilman at the time, and he was the one that called Don Morris and tipped him off that maybe Michael Self had something to do with Rene insurance murders.

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OK. He's like, you might want to look into this dude. And what do you have it? Don Morris already knew Michael Self and didn't fucking like him. Oh. Because Don Morris was like a security guard at an apartment complex at one point. And he always would see Michael Self like looking up girls skirts as they were window up. Yeah, he was peeping Tom. Yeah. Hundred percent. Not a not a good dude. No.

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And he also had once threatened to throw Michael in jail because he thought that Michael was stealing gas from fire trucks when he was working as a volunteer firefighter. OK. So he already had a vengeance against it. Yeah. Let's remember that the morning of June 9th, Don and Tommy went out to the gas station to talk to Michael, ask him a few questions, and he agreed to go in for more questioning later that morning. So he goes down to the police station and they show him pictures of Rene and Sharon.

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And he's like, oh, yeah, I recognize them, but I don't know them personally. That was enough for Don and Tommy to literally slap the cuffs on right then and there. They were like, oh, like that's all we needed to know was that, you know them. And he's like, damn, what the fuck? But doesn't make any sense. He's literally like, I've seen them before. I mean, they're like, well, you did it, you did it perfect.

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And they did get him to confess. He actually confessed multiple times. But he later said that he was forced to confess by Dawn Morris, who took five bullets out of his gun, which had like six bullets total. Yeah. And basically played Russian roulette with him and was like, I'm going to blow your brains out unless you write down everything I tell you to write down. Why? And he also, I guess, like, held him up against the wall and was like poking at him with his, like, police stick.

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Damn. So that's how Michael says that's why he confessed, because he was like being tortured, being tortured, in which not for nothing. We've seen that happen. A false confession. It made me think of the West Memphis Three. You immediately made me think of it. I feel like any any. Always a false confession will make me think of that. So quick little side note. John Mark Byers died, right? I kept it. I forgot that.

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We forgot to mention that. So that's crazy. We're not going to go into it or anything. But like, whoa, but like. Whoa, whoa, guys. OK. Talk about it later.

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We'll talk about it on the beginning of the next step. Yeah. So there is a problem with the confessions because I'm shocked. Again, it's weird. It's there. There's already a problem because there's multiple different ones. Like that's not usually what happens. Yeah. And it seems like. So there's two different written confessions. And it seems like the first one was kind of written and he was like, OK, like, this makes sense. And then the second one was written and it fitted it fit the like the details more.

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It fits the narrative better. Fits the narrative. Exactly. So the first one was written on June my mind from June mine, June 9th, the day that he was arrested. And then the second one was written three days later on June 12th. So like I said, like, it's a big issue that the second one was written to fit more of the details. And then a couple of the other issues are that in the first confession, Michael says that he disposed of the girls bodies in the El Lago Lake.

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But that's 20 miles away from the Taylor BIU, which is where they were actually found. So, yeah. That's already. It's like. It's like no.

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That doesn't make any sense. And then the second confession, he's like, oh yeah. Was it Taylor by you. Like I just messed that up. And he's like, Oh you know what. Yes. Yeah. Absolutely makes sense. And then in one of his confessions, he says that he picked the girls up from Sharon's house, but that was impossible because, like, nobody saw him do that. Yeah. And also at the time, he says he picked them up.

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They had already been reported missing. Yeah. This isn't looking good now. So that makes literally no sense. And finally, he says that he choked them, but there was no evidence to support that. Yeah.

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So that was him just being like I guess I did. I choked. I guess so. So there's no evidence against him? Like, there's no physical evidence at all. It was just I think everyone was really happy to have an answer. Oh, yeah. He was like, we just need somebody in jail for. It's the same exact thing as the West Memphis Three. Exactly. To nail someone so you can go at them a comfort thing.

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Yes. So, Michael Self. So weird. He was actually only convicted of Sharon's murder, even though there was no evidence at all. But they could only get him on that murder. And he spent the rest of his life in jail. Why the rest of his fucking life in jail? I don't think he did it.

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Such shocking. David Coburn also doesn't believe that Michael did it because he says that he saw Dawn Morris do this exact, like Russian roulette thing to make another inmate do whatever he wanted them to do. So this is like his thing. This thing. And then Tommy and Dawn became even more unreliable because it came out that the entire time that they were working on this case. And also four years after they had been committing a string of bank robberies around Texas, Tommy and Don.

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But like, doesn't Don Morris and Tommy deal like you were not born to be a police officer? No.

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You were born to be outlaws or you were born to be wild.

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So they weren't exactly like your hometown heroes that everybody thought they were? No, definitely not. They actually they both got released from prison after they, like, served their time. And then Tommy got put back in prison when he pretty much immediately robbed another bank.

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Yes, you got. He just can't help himself. And it's weird, Tommy. Deal. He's taught deal. Well, he says that Don Morris is like the one that, like, made him get into it, of course. And he's like, but it's like, cool. But then Don stopped it. Yeah. So it's like really doesn't matter. It's like also nobody believes you at this point because he was alive. You use a lifetime deal.

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Aliah So but let's get back to Ed Bell. Let's do it. So at this point, you're probably like, OK, yeah. Like, he's a pretty solid suspect and he's like definitely a shitty individual. But does that make him a murderer? I think it does. I think so. But if you don't need you to hold on to your butt.

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All right. Hold onto it.

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Well, you don't even need to, but like somebody else might. Um, hold on. OK. So August 24th, 1978, Ed Bell was doing what he does best, being a big old motherfucking creep.

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He was driving around in his red pickup truck looking for a group of girls to expose himself to God as one does cut heads.

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He ended up in this like super nice neighborhood in Pasadena. He parked his car in the middle of the street, stripped from the waist down, got out of his car and just began masturbating right there in the middle of the fucking neighborhood.

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My God, if only someone would walk by dude to do this with hedge clippers and just go Schnepp. Yeah, seriously, that's what they need. And then just keep on truckin. Just keep your eye on truckin. Be like have a nice day. Well, somebody did try to save the day here. So it was former Marine Larry Dickens. Yeah. His mom lived in that neighborhood and he was just there to mow the lawn for her that day.

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What do. Oh, my God. And he brought his three year old daughter with him. Oh. So I hope you fuck this guy up. So the family saw what was going on because Larry's like out there mowing the lawn. And Dorothy is like, what? That's the mom. She's like, what the fuck? Like, there's this. Make it just jerking off in the middle of the street. So she calls the police and she's like, my son is going out there, like he's gonna try to detain this guy and, like, make it so young girls don't see this dude fucking jerking off in the street.

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So he tried to get Ed Bell to cut the shit.

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Larry goes over. He's like, what the fuck are you doing, dude? And he reaches into Ed Bell's truck to take his keys to make sure that, like, he can't get away. Once the cops get there. Well, Ed Bell was fucking pissed. He, like Larry, wasn't able to, like, reach him or anything, or he was like trying to, like, get away with the keys. So Ed Bell reaches in to his truck and pulls out a pistol and shoots Larry in the chest four times.

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No. Now, Larry was 26 years old. No.

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Larry was able to get back to his driveway after being fucking shot that many times and his mom came running out. He collapses onto her and Ed Bell walks up to him again, shoots him again while he's laying in his mom's arms, then calmly walks back to his fucking truck. He tosses the pistol back in. Grabs a hunting rifle, walks back over. And at this point, like, I think Larry had, like, gotten up again to, like, try to get away.

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Like the mom went inside to, like, get the get the daughter. He shot him in between the eyes with a hunting rifle. I am beyond words like this all happened because you wanted to get out of your fucking car and jerk off in broad daylight. And this guy was like, no, you can't do that. So you shot him, like multiple fucking times.

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And as he's laying in his mother's arms, like you to make the most evil fucker. Not only that, like he's literally shoot Tomalis in his mother's arms, then goes back and gets a hunting rifle to shoot him again. Wow.

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So obviously, Larry Dickins died.

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Unfortunately, I feel like he died a hero. Yeah. Fuck, that sucks. Bell was able to hop in his car and fucking get away. What? So he wasn't super familiar with the area, though, and he ended up driving down a dead end road. Like looking more on that.

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He is dumb ass. He was arrested, but he posted his one hundred and twenty five thousand dollar bail and skipped bail and escaped to Panama for the next 14 years.

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Man, you know, are you telling this story is very 20-20 of you is a very 20-20 next 40 fucking years.

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That's bullshit. And that's not even in. That's what I'm going to leave you. But that's not even the end of the fucking story. So in part two, I'm going to get a little more into, like Ed's potential crimes. I think they're all fucking crimes. Ed did it. He did his weird ass life. I'm going to tell you all about. I'm going to tell you about the rest of the 11, because I've only told you about six.

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So we have a ways to go. We have five more. We have five more. All these girls that I'm going to talk about in part two disappeared by themselves. Oh, that's different. They met a lot of them, met the same fate of being let out to like water or something like that and being killed in the middle. Oh, what a terrible, terrible way. And especially like a loan like, yeah, obviously you don't want to die no matter what.

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But I feel like I like being a girl is really there. Yeah. It's like the whole fucking thing is awful. Oh gosh. Yeah. So that's what we're gonna get to impart. Two. Wow. Mother fucker escaped. I hate that story. I know we're not even done with it yet. I hate it. Well, I feel like there's a lot that we can post to the Instagram for this one if we want to go check that out.

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Yeah, because that's bonkers.

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And we hope you keep listening. We hope you keep it. We. Here. But that's a really you've got your car in the middle of the broad daylight. You start jerking off because that's just not OK. And honestly, I hope not like you end up shot. If you do that. Yeah. And you know what?

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If you do that, I'm going to come out of nowhere with some hedge clippers and just got chomp. Yeah. Keep it that weird. We will keep it that we're going to keep it that weird.