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Hey, weirdoes, I'm Ash and I'm Aleena, and this is morbid. And this is going to be this is a very important morbid. We're excited to share this one because a lot of people have requested it. We're going to be covering Vanessa Gehan today.

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We are going to do it.

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But before we jump in, we just have like two little things that we just wanted to throw you. Yes, the first one I, I don't even know why I'm saying this.

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I think it's just I was confused. We had a couple people in the last episode. I think I mentioned that, like, Europe has such a long history. You know, they have castles that date back so long and we don't have that in the United State. And you're talking about like buildings.

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What I was talking about was that when you go to Europe, you get to see buildings that are very oh, I thought you were talking about.

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And I was like, yeah, we don't have an equal US buildings here. No, but there's like a sprinkling.

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I think majority of people understood what I was saying. There were a few people got very angry at me just to clarify. So I just wanted to acknowledge that there was a whole history before, you know, Alexander Hamilton and all that.

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And that was, OK, you can stop now before you start like wrapping Hamilton at the beginning of this blog. But yes. So I just wanted to point out that I know there was history before that. I acknowledge that history. I was talking about buildings, buildings, just buildings, all of us talking about. So I'm sorry if that wasn't clear, but here it is closing in later news. We're going to talk about a different building where we're going to have a live show you.

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But you can't come.

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You can't because of the Wrona, but you can buy tickets to tune in to said live show. Yes.

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So July twenty third, we are actually going to be at a US two twenty where we did our first live show. Yes. Which is super fun. And there's going to be nobody there except Mealing and Annie. No. And will not be on the show. Normal John.

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But they'll be there in spirit. They were all in the chairs. You can the link right now if you want to buy tickets is in our Instagram BuYeo. It's also on Twitter. And I'll like re share it again.

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And I'm going to post it on the Web site, too. So it'll be on morbid polka dot com. And a big portion of our proceeds is going to be going to the Center for Missing and Exploited Children. Yes, because we love that charity.

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We do. And we are so excited to do the show.

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It has a really fun theme. Yeah, we're theming this fully out.

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I just got my outfit the other day and I said, Delina, pink shirt. I was like, I'd like to wear this elsewhere too. You like. That's awesome. Because we could have totally just been like, you know, we could have been normal about this.

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But are we normal. No, we're not normal. And also during wrona times it's like, why not make this just like a really super fun? It really can't be awesome time.

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And it's like I feel like it's gonna be a good preview for what we do have planned for live shows when they're, like, back on schedule. Yeah, because we're going to be putting a lot of work and a lot of you on Beyonce on the stage.

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It's true. It's gonna be pretty cool. We're up in the game. Yeah, we are. So definitely go get tickets to that. It's gonna be a really fun night. You got to there's like a link. You have to download an app and then you sign it on that app and that's how you watch. So you do it on like your computer. If you're fancy, you can hook it up to your TV. I don't know how you guys do that.

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Yeah, I'm always impressed by that. I think it's literally just an HDMI likely, but I like to understand what hashtag old.

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Yeah. So do that. It's going to be a lot of fun and I can't wait. It is. We're excited so definitely do it. We're excited about it. And that's really all we had to touch upon.

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So yeah, I think we want to jump into the Vanessa in case because. Wow. Wow.

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Like I knew this case was very there was a lot of moving parts that I knew it crazy, but I did not know all of the things.

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And when I drove into it, I was like, whoa, whoa. This case is bun and it's banana pancakes.

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So we're gonna jump right into this. Talking about Vanessa Gehan was one of six kids in her family. She grew up in Houston. She wanted to join the army.

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Everyone in her family and everyone who knew her says she wanted to join the army since she was a little girl and that was her thing.

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Her mother, Gloria, again said as young as 10 years old, she said she was going to enlist in the military.

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Wow. What about. I was going to say. But as far as she was always ready to serve this country, she was like, I want to fight for this country. I want to protect people. I want to be a hero like she was all what a noble tenure rights.

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And you know what? And as soon as she finished high school at Cesar Chavez High School in 2018, she enlisted immediately.

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So she was stuck, true to her word, choose what to do in the dam. She was not all talk. She was stationed at Fort Hood in Texas. She was a super active woman, loved going to the gym, loved playing soccer. According to her family issues, outgoing. She was funny.

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Just, you know, she's what you see in the pictures of her, right? Basically, like, she kind of like exudes who she was. What you see is what you get. Yeah.

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She was in a relationship with a man named Juan Cruz when she went missing.

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He was very active. Asking for help, finding her. I just feel bad for what's really sad and I want to hug. For about three weeks before her disappearance.

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She was acting strangely. OK. This was according to her mother. It was according to her sisters. People or people who knew her about her.

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They said, like, you know, she wasn't sleeping. Right. She wasn't eating enough. She was losing weight. She was just acting stressed. There was just something going on.

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Her mother was like, alright. I know you. You got to tell me what's going on. Right. And finally, Vanessa confessed. You know, I'm feeling a little scared and a little, like, stressed out because I'm being sexually harassed at Fort Hood. And she said it was by a sergeant in particular and she didn't want to report it because she said, one, they're not going to do anything about it. Right. And she said, I've talked to other women and other people that this happened to.

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Nothing's really gone on.

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Or she said she was afraid to suffer repercussions.

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Yeah. So her mother asked her, you know, who is doing this? Give me a name. Vanessa didn't want to tell her because she was like. I'll report it because she was like I reported at some point, I'm a little nervous to get the blowback, but I know I'm going to do it.

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Well, when you're dealing with, like, higher ups, too, that's I can't imagine. Well, that's that fear. And still, it's the chain of command thing where, like, if it's a higher up, you're really in especially. Yeah.

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And so her mother was like, OK, why don't you tell me the name of this asshole and I'll report him for you. Right.

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So you don't have all but like Momma Bear vibe. Yeah. Like she was just like, you know what else.

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You know, it can be that you confided in me and I chose to report it. Right. So it's not totally on you. So she was like, you know what? She didn't tell her anybody the name, but she was like, I am going to make a decision to report this.

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I'm I'm thinking part of this, too, is just rape culture in general, where unfortunately, as women, you immediately feel shame.

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Oh, yeah. It's just instilled in you like you writing one.

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You don't want to talk about it because it's like, you know, like you just don't want to even relive it again.

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And then when you do talk about it, you're like, but did I do something that to make that happen? It's just not in one ring. Did not at all. Absolutely not. It's totally like this awful thing that's just ingrained in most of us that we're like, well, did I lead them to believe that they could do that?

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You know, I mean, like, you just you're watching and guessing.

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It's like if you're watching, um, I'll be gone in the dark. They talk a lot about that. And, yeah, I got in the dark and it's like back then and even now, like, they talk a lot about how back then it was like that. And I'm like not fact that even now people have that. So. Yeah. You on, right? Absolutely.

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So I'm sure there was just a whole lot of things stopping her from immediately reporting it.

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And a lot of I mean, sexual assault, rape and sexual harassment is underreported in civilian life, never mind in the military.

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So it's like, well, it's just a problem. All of it's just a big fucking problem over the earth, basically.

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So one of the problems, like we were saying, with sexual assault in the military, because it is a problem and it's a problem that is now really coming to light with this guy, which is good.

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Yeah.

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Because, you know, it is good that you light superiors and it's a male dominated field.

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They're investigating their own sexual assaults, too. So it's just this endless cycle of, sure, I'll report it. But it's the same people that are going to investigate it, that are going to back people up or they're not going to want to do so. It's just it's not smart. It's just not happening. You have a horse in the race. And what we're going to exactly what we're gonna see at the end of this, I'll tell you, is Vanessa Gibbons family and her lawyer, her family's lawyers and friends and all these people and, you know, people in Washington now are trying to get it so that a third party entity is investigating these and shall always be like that.

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And it should always be like that. And just talking about sexual assault in the military in particular, because that's what we're talking about right now.

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So there was a study released by the Defense Department and it was part of a congressionally mandated yearly report from the Pentagon.

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And it was about sexual assault. In part of the study was that they did a focus group and they talked to soldiers and they just talked to them. You know, like how how do you think that sexual assault training is going?

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Have you experienced it? Tell me.

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Basically, just trying to get anonymous reports of things and some of the things they heard from soldiers are like, holy hell, terrifying.

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Yeah.

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So somebody who is part of the focus group, a female junior enlisted Marine, said today, I bent over to get something and I didn't know there was anybody behind me bent over to grab something really quick. And a sergeant is behind me and said, Oh, don't tempt me.

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There was another one, a female, a junior enlisted female Marine. That said, when I first got here, all the people in my shop specifically, they live on 3rd deck and I got put on first deck. And when I asked why, they said it's because I was going to get raped if I live on 3rd deck.

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Oh. Oh, way to be blunt about the. OK, so maybe we shouldn't have all the people living in third deck that live there if I'm going to get raped, if I don't like or what they're just supposed to hear this like you're just as oh cause you'll get raped up there. That must be horrifying. Can you imagine hearing that. Oh like. Oh cool. What is happening now? Well, just to be so blunt about.

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And just to be like this is how it is.

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So I mean, and obviously this is not you know, this is not all soldiers are all military. No. And that's not what we're saying. But it's a it's a big problem. And this is just the facts of the matter.

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It's a big problem. The Gayane family attorney, Natalie Coulomb, said she had a briefing in Washington and she said this was wow. Vanessa was missing. Okay. And she said that they found at least two incidents that she could point to a sexual harassment against Vanessa. She said allegedly a superior offer officer had once walked in on Vanessa when she was showering, literally sat down and watched her shower. What the fuck? Yes. And then a second time, a fellow officer was sexually assaulting her with sexually disgusting remarks.

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And he was doing it in Spanish. And so, like, he was startled. I'm assuming he was thinking like, you know, some people are going to hear what I'm saying, frankly. And people who did this are the person who did this was not named. So we don't know. But those are two legs. Some definitely happened.

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She said she never so she never reported her harasser, even though she had told her mom, I'm going to do it. She never got a chance to do it because she went missing shortly after this discussion with because somebody probably found out that she was planning to. Yes.

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So according to officials on the base, she was last seen around 1:00 p.m., April 22nd, 20-20.

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She was wearing a black shirt, black Nike sneakers and light purple like jogging pants, like workout pants. She was last spotted in the parking lot of her regimental engineer Squadron headquarters, 3rd Calvary Regiment at the Fort Hood military base. A search of the barracks where she had been, where I've been in and working around that day turned up her I.D., all of her key cards, like everything she would need to get in and out of.

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And he wasn't planning to go in. Her wallet was still there.

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Yeah, she had just been promoted to specialist. I mean, she was.

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I mean, she was definitely not planning on leaving. Right. This wasn't an a wall situation. Right. I mean, and again, this immediately dispels any idea of that because, of course, soldiers do go away. Well, sometimes. So that is something that they think of immediately. But this just wasn't it wasn't here.

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So June 21st. Fort Hood deputy commander Major General Scott Flaneur Flint made a statement about Vanessa's disappearance and asked the public for help.

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So he gave the information about her disappearance. And this is the last time she was seen. She seemingly just vanished. Right. And they said someone must know something.

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We just want to bring her home. Right.

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So they were just putting out a plea to people to be like, tell us what you know. The Army initially offered up a 15 thousand dollar reward for information. It was later raised to twenty five thousand dollars. And then another twenty five thousand dollars came from the League of United Latin American Citizens.

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It was a pretty big reward at the end.

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At the press conference outside of Fort Hood on June twenty third, Gloria, again, Vanessa's mother said, I want my daughter back alive. I want her alive because she entered Fort Hood alive. And if, God forbid, my daughter turns up dead. Shut down this base. That girl is my life. I adore her. That's why I'm fighting with nails and teeth until they return her in the guilty pay.

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Well, I can't imagine being her mother. Now, it was on June twenty third on June 30th. Fort Hood officials said that they did find partial human remains. They found it close to the Leon River in Bell County, Texas, after they discovered these remains. Her sister, Vanessa's sister Myra, told Time magazine. I feel empty. I feel like they took everything from me.

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That's terrible.

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So what they claim happened was on April 22nd, she went she did go to work at the Armory on at Fort Hood.

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She was working there.

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She was apparently like reading off serial numbers of weapons and doing that kind of thing in the armory.

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She was in there with Army Specialist Aaron Robinson, who was 10 years old.

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He was a piece of shit and she noticed that there were photos on his phone. Now, this is what is told. This is the story that's being told. I don't necessarily believe this story. I'm sure it has some missing pieces. There's she was definitely there. She was working. She was working with Erin Robinson. And this is all true.

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This next part, I don't know if you don't think it is true.

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So what was told by one of the suspects later was that she saw photos on his phone while she was there of 22 year old Cecily Aguilar. Mm hmm. This was notable to her because Cecily was married to a fellow former soldier.

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And apparently that's like a legal break. You get kicked out of the. Adultery is like suyapa illegal. So Vanessa was like, dude, that's gross. What the fuck?

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And so he was like, you aren't going to get me in trouble and ruin my military career for this. And that's when he lost it. OK. I and from what I've read, a lot of other people don't agree because it's like how did it escalate to the point where you're like, why? Like, they're like.

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Even the family lawyer, Natalie Khawam, said she was like, yeah, that she didn't just walk in there and look at her for his phone and be like, oh, look, you're committing adultery, Perper.

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Right. That's no. You don't just like, look at somebodies phone so casually, like down there. And like, the photos are just like right there.

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So claim that she didn't know Cecily Aguilar, so she wouldn't have known that he was she was married. Right. It just doesn't not a it doesn't add up. It doesn't add up as the thing. But what we do know is whatever it is that set this into motion, he did grab the nearest thing to him, which was a hammer, and he bludgeoned her to death with it inside of the armory.

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K. Blood would have gone everywhere. Right. Because he demolished her with that.

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That's powerful. And all like I'll mention how bad it was in a little while.

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And you'll see how this doesn't make sense, because if he so he bludgeoned this girl in the armory with a hammer, the blood would have been first of all, the amount of blood on him would have put it right here, right.

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There would have been an exceptionally insane amount of blood on the ceiling because the castoff would have been insane. Right, for what he was doing because he also was beating her. He bludgeoned Vanessa in her head and face.

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And we ought to know how police a lot would have been on everything. There's no I say everything. This would have hit everything that was around him that police would have been it would have been a nightmare, Beth.

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Right. It would have taken so long to clean up. It would have taken so many chemicals to clean up. You would he would have been completely drenched. So this is court. So this did happen. But the whole thing that I'm wondering is like. Well, who cleaned that up because you do. Got to see the time frame that they are claiming that he cleaned this up and it doesn't add up, it simply is impossible. It just didn't happen.

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So what are they saying? Nothing. They're just bullshitting. That's why everybody's like, whoa, whoa. Now, you guys talking.

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Do you have a theory about what actually did happen? I'm not really sure. I have a little bit of a theory, but honestly, it's very it's so convoluted, so very confusing.

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So there would have been blood everywhere. This did happen, he said. So he then put her in a pelican case, which is like this really tough, big like case of the Pelican case. Okay. And he kept that case in the armory. Mm hmm. Then apparently just went home to shower. Just just did it in my blood, covered in blood. Door to get all the things he will need to try to cover this up like plastic sheeting, lime, quick dry cement shovels.

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And then he contacts Cecily Aguilar, his girlfriend, who he's having an affair with because she's married to another soldier.

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Because he was like, I need help now. He left that armory and he just went home.

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Right. Like, don't other people have access to the arm?

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No one found this completely. Just nightmare that he left. And also, don't make any. He left her in a pelican case in the armory for some time. And no one question. What, like. I'm I'm just like at a lot.

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That didn't make any sense to me when I wondered, like, OK, where are cameras here. Right. Apparently there aren't a lot of cameras at Fort Hood that are like surveillance cameras.

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I wonder why. Yeah, it's like, whoa. And it's it again, to clean this up, you would need a myriad of like a heininger supplies. You could see so much things in who'd. So she was last seen at the armory. They knew that when they when she went missing, they knew the last place she was was working in that armory with Aaron Robinson.

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So who went in who went and checked later? What's in this armory? Who did someone look in there? Did someone go back and be like she was last year? Maybe we should do some forensics in here.

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Do you think they actually even worked? We'll see. Where's the blood? Right. If you guys just. Do some luminol in there, and I'm pretty sure that police would be a fucking Christmas tree. It would be insane if you did that. So who did you go in there and just look at names like that? Yeah. You're not in here. So let's leave. Like you didn't think to swab. Like, you could probably just go to any old wall and put an effort in.

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I mean, obviously they did. It is unbelievable to me. Unbelievable to me.

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And then he walked out after he went and got the case. People saw him dragging that case into his car. And it was like, hey, what's that? Brown was like, what are you doing? Like, it's a military base. She should question what this dude is doing. Right. Like, it seems weird to me. And it's so weird. Like just what I read this as I'd had no idea. I didn't know that there's an details in the armory.

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No. Either. And that like there was all this time that was just unaccounted for. So apparently they were claim claiming that sometime in the span of 43 minutes is when he cleaned that armory.

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Now they're claiming that's the amount that they had hours and hours and hours, hours and hours, maybe even to believable day, like a day, like a full last day in in order to get it cleaned to the point where you weren't gonna you wouldn't be able to know.

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They were always gonna be able to find something if they looked, but they didn't look.

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So it's a problem. So specifically, the family's lawyer pointed out that this was not have her looking at the phone and saying, oh, look, it's that girl that's married to that random former sonar.

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I'm going to report, you know, this. She didn't even want to report her sexual assault that was going on. Why she had a fucking report you.

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But I think this is her saying, I'm going to report you. You can't do this to me anymore. Right. Because I think that Aaron Robinson was sexually assaulting her or harassing her. And she was like, I'm going to report you.

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Right. He was like, no, you're not.

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And so, I mean, to kill you, because if you think about it, of course, of course, he's going to call because later Cecily is claiming that he called her and said, you know, she was going to report our affair, our love.

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You know, like he was like we I wasn't going to let her take down our lot, like I was this big, like, fuck off.

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But in reality, he didn't want to call his girlfriend and say, I've been sexually harassing this girl.

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And she was going to report me. Right. Don.

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Sassily is not on his side, is she? Oh, Cecily is a real. Mm hmm. Can we say. She's I don't know yet.

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There's not a word for her. What? So. Okay. Keep going. Keep going. Cecily is.

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I mean, Aaron Robinson and Cecily deserved each other. Did they play together? Did she go end up helping.

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Oh yeah. In weeds. She's. She's. I mean, they're both the most evil humans. Oh my God. Imagine the fact. It just makes me angry.

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So it's just so frustrating.

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So after Aaron Robinson bludgeoned Vanessa Gey into death when home did his thing got is it went to the store? All things seemingly. That's when he called Cecily Aguilar. Oh. And he told her he struck a female soldier in the head with a hammer multiple times and that he had killed her.

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That's when you just Cecilie was like, okay, so she was a cool, cool, cool. So he brought her body in the Pelican case to the Leon River in Belton, Texas. Somewhere between the hours of midnight and about four a.m. is when this all happened. Okay. So Cecily came with him. Casesa he was like, gotcha, I'm here. Let's do it.

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Okay. They tried to light Venus on fire. Oh, my God. But it wasn't working.

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So they took a machete and both of them dismembered her together.

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And like the other.

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Hi, where did you try to set her on fire on the military base that nobody saw you? Oh, no. This was off base.

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Oh, this was awesome. Yeah, this was near the Lee-Anne River.

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So Aguilar, according to court documents, said that they both used a machete type knife to, quote, remove the limbs and the head from the body.

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They then buried her body parts in three different locations and then later they tried to cover it up by using quick dry cement to create a vaults around all the pieces and bury it with lineman's.

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Such what? The glue then both threw the machete, the hammer and her phone out the windows as they drove.

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Now, while all this horrific stuff is happening to poor Vanessa Jean's body after her horrific murder, her sister Myra had arrived at Fort Hood to look for her.

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Oh, my God. And so she's being turned away.

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Well, this is wild. Well, her body copy dismembered.

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And at one point during the investigation, her sister actually spoke to Aaron Robinson on the base and he was pretty uncaring about Vanessa's disappearance.

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Oh, I'm shocked. Yeah. This was after he had murdered her.

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Of course, he was just kind of like whatever, like brushed it off. Yeah, you're fucking great. A piece of shit. So Aguilar told investigators that they actually went back to the place where they had buried Vanessa. Yeah. On April 26. So a few days after they kill a chic.

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Well, Aaron had killed her. She and Robinson said they again tried to burn the body parts and then they took hairnets and gloves and they were they were wearing those while they were doing this whole thing.

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And then they burned those. And then they said they burned their clothes that they had been wearing.

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So they took multiple days, multiple attempts to cover this up. I mean, it was a full blown to me.

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This feels premeditated.

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Yeah, it does. Like, I feel like because as we're gonna learn in a second, she wasn't supposed to be at the armory that day. Oh, yeah.

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So, yeah.

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So investigators started talking to Robinson April 28. So two days after they got back to the site to try to burn everything even more because now they're like, wait a second.

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Like all of a sudden they're like, you were at the Army Armory with her the last time she was seen alive.

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We got to talk to you. And apparently you were the only two there. Exactly. So he's like he denies everything.

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And he's like, no, I was with Cecily Aguilar and she'll back it up. So he's like, I wasn't at the armory. Yeah.

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Well, he was like during the time, you know, I went there, I did my thing and then I went home and she can tell you everything that I was home all night after I worked.

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So Aguilar did start like confessing to everything later. But at first she was giving him an alibi, right. For that night. So she said, you know, she came to her. He came to her home, which is like off base.

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They were together all night. And then she later said, actually, no worse.

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Her husband, who freakin knows? I don't even know. But. So I think they're like estranged, really. OK. So they're probably not living together. Sure. Who really cares? She's the worst. So she later changed that story and she was like, no, actually, he didn't just come to my house. And we sat there all night. We met up in Belton, Texas, which is where the Lee-Anne River is.

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And she said that they were just like they went there to, quote, look at the stars.

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Yeah, literally. OK, Romeo and Juliet, you are all fuck yourself. You're an evil twat. Yeah. On the night that, you know, you were out. They're dismembering the body of a U.S. soldier.

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You want to claim that you just went for your drill in the park there and say you were looking at this star and you're an innocent with your boyfriend, who you're having an affair with, who sexually harassed the woman soldier that you helped hack up?

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Yeah, that's really what Dunn said. Are you two made of, like, the two of them? I'm like, holy shit. That doesn't make.

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How do you how are you that evil. Talk about, like, poured from the same mold. And how do you lie like that?

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Unbelievable.

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Well, without cracking on May 18th, witnesses finally came forward and said they saw Robinson carrying that.

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It's called the tough box to that pelican. Sure, sure. Sure. To his car.

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And they said it looked crazy heavy. He was like, struggling through in his car, drove away. And that was on April 22nd in the evening.

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So they were like, yeah, we saw him. He consented to a search of his phone records. At that point, and they saw that he was talking to Cecily Aguilar a ton that night, calling her constantly. They were talking the whole night, which makes it unlikely that they were together at home. So Aguilar was interrogated June 19th and she was like, I don't really know.

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When they asked her, like, why would he be calling you when you were together at home? Right. He was calling you to get you out there. Really? Your dad's doing so. They check their locations on both of their phones. Now they're like, yeah, you're done here.

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Like Waze says that you were not at home.

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Well, the Liohn Rivers in Belton, Texas, where she said they were looking at the stars. So I think in her dumb little mind, she can tell it will place us all, you know, put us there.

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And I can pretend that we were just looking, oh, we're just here. It's something cute and unassuming.

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Meanwhile, you're an idiot and you just placed yourself there. Yeah, that was it. The phone search showed that both of their phones were in Belton to gather April 22nd, April twenty third and April 26. So on the evening of April 22nd, that's when they initially brought her two after he she was murdered.

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They brought her there. Yup. It bled into the morning of April.

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Twenty third. Because remember, it was until like 4:00 in the morning. And then they went back and then they went back on the twenty sixth. So then they found that Robyn. So they did a recorded phone call on June 30th. They tapped the phone between Aguilar and Robinson.

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They found and he said to her, quote, Baby, they found pieces. They found pieces. And that was when they. Investigators had discovered human remains. He then sent her text messages of news articles and photos detailing that human remains were found.

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Okay. So they really kill that. That's pretty suspicious. Apparently, this is crazy. Apparently, they had searched the area that she was found in on June 21st and they found remains of a burned tough box.

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And like a burn pile. And they also found disturbed earth and they smelled the smell of decomp. But they didn't find human remains. So they just were like, well, that's that cool.

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And Tim Miller from the Texas Equa search said to Nancy Grace on her podcast, Love, that when they discovered the burn pile and the like burnt Pelican Case, that the CIA's, which is the U.S. Army's Criminal Investigation Division, who is out there searching with EQUASS Search?

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They said they were like, yeah, I don't think that's relevant to the case.

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Oh, I don't think that burned box is relevant. Like, so wait. And that smell of human decomp. I don't think it has anything to do with the murder that happened.

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And he said they had to push them to even consider it. And one of the aqua search people had to Google an image of the Pelican case, what it would look like to show him that it was the case they used. Right.

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And only that and they knew that the only then did they agree to go out and search again. This is after it had already been reported that Robinson as prime suspect, was seen leaving the armory the night Vanessa disappeared with a pelican. Right. I don't know why they thought it was just going to go away. But they did.

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And they were like, no, we don't need to come back here.

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Look, you can sit there after being told that people saw him bringing a pelican case out of the three day that you have seen. And it was heavy and he was struggling and now he's acting like a creep and you're finding all this shit and then you find a bird fucking pelican case in Belton near the Leon River where phones were paying. I think it's just a coincidence. You're looking at this burn pile going. That's probably not relevant to the case.

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Are you fucking kidding me? No, because they didn't want to have to deal with this. That's what it comes down to. I was reading I was reading this. And I'm like, that's the shitty truth of this case.

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Not be real. They didn't want to deal with this. They wanted to just move on from it. And they were just feeling well. We don't know what happened was this fuck being protected.

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And it's like, you know what? Will Vanessa was one of your own. Right. What's the what are you doing for.

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That's insane. That's the thing. So when U.S. Marshals, the police and the Lone Star Fugitive Task Force confronted Robinson about all this because they were like, hey, what's up? Well, we found human remains. We found the Pelican case.

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We you we found all these phone records. We have all this shit sending a lot of techs there, like we'd like to give you a polygraph. And he was like, no. So he refused a polygraph.

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Good. It always looks good. Somehow escaped to the base on foot before they could arrest him.

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Wearing only a pair of shorts and shoes and say, where did you think you were gonna go do? And according to the Fort Hood public statement, they said, quote, While law enforcement agencies, minus Army CIA's special agents attempted to make contact with the suspect, the suspect reportedly displayed a weapon and took his own life. So the incident took place in Killeen, Texas, where Fort Fort Hood is located.

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He basically got a gun, fled, and when they tried to confront him, he put it to his head and shot himself. So it's so funny to me. I'm like, wow. So you were your. You've got enough balls to bludgeon a fellow soldier to death in an armory and then put her in a pelican case, take her out into the middle of nowhere, grab your girlfriend who is cheating on her husband with you and have her help you hack heard it into pieces with a machete, poor quick, dry cement over her paw, the machete and the head and the hand.

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Try to burn her phone out your windows, but you are too much of a little tiny baby to deal with the fucking repercussions of your actions.

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Yes.

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Wow. Wow. I'm not shocked. And that makes me think I'm like, you know what? If he had lived and they had been able to arrest him and do an actual investigation, the shit that would have come out because I thought there was a lot more.

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A lot what is spelled out. And I'm sure a lot of I'm sure a lot more is still going to come out. Yeah. Of people that maybe just don't feel safe.

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I know that dude is was a dangerous predator, and I'm sure there's a lot more that came out about it.

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Was he 20? Did you say 20 years or 20 years old when and you're that fucking fucking evil. How?

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Well, Vanessa Gaines phone records said that her last outgoing text message was to Robinson's phone, according to.

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And so she what it was, was she had been working that day, obviously, in the armory, but she wasn't meant to work that day.

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She got called in. Nobody can say who called her in.

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Was it Robinson that texted her? I think it must've been Robinson. They're saying it wasn't. Of course, there. But I don't believe that I was. I don't believe anything they have to say.

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And there's been like weird stories that have changed, like the witnesses who first saw and saw her in the parking lot first said 1:00 p.m., then switched it to 11:00 a.m. And so and then again, she was called into work that day. No one saying who will do it. It was her day off. She was not on who the fuck pulled her in there.

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And why did they pull her in there? Was it somebody pulling her in there for this to happen to her? Did they have shit ready to clean up that armory? Did they know that they were gonna be doing this? Probably. Did they have sheeting? Why? I mean, I used her style and they just had the whole thing setup for. Probably don't know. I mean, anything's possible. This I it sounds nuts to even say that, but it's like, is it nuts?

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And the more you dig into where this happened, the more shit that comes out.

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And it's I mean, it's just like they took a machete in the middle of the night and burned her body and cut. Do you just have a machete also?

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Like nothing is out of the realm of possibility here. Now, I said before that I was gonna mention how badly he bludgeoned her. Her face was beaten so badly that they couldn't piece her face back together. That's her. And they could not use dental records to identify her because her teeth were shattered.

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Oh, my God. They had to use pieces of hair and positively identified her through DNA analysis on July 5th. That's her. That's the only way that they could find her. Also, her mother doesn't know the details of what happened to her. He she refuses to listen anything.

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She well, I don't blame her. I would never want any of the Major General Scott Flynn.

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I think it is deputy commander of three corps at Fort Hood. He said at a press conference that, quote, The criminal investigation has not found any connection between sexual harassment and Vanessa's disappearance. Sure, by shocking. And Senior Special Agent Damon Phelps has said that they looked at the interactions between Robinson and Vanessa. They looked at all the evidence that they could find and they found no evidence of sexual harassment.

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Yeah.

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First of all, the fact that they are investigating their own shit is unreal. Like, that's so biased. It's not even funny. And then, of course, you're not going to find any evidence of sexual harassment. Do you think he was going around doing it in front of people who he knew would. Talk Moyo or he was doing it in front of nobody was doing in private. And of course, you're not going to find it because you're the one that went out to the crime scene and saw burnt evidence and was like, I don't think that has to do with I don't think that's relevant.

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Really not look in superhit. Come on, fellas. Like you're telling me, you can't find evidence of sexual harassment. People. Of course you can't. This isn't people like this.

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Need to think of like their moms or if they have a daughter. Think of your daughter or your sister. It's like, why don't you. What if this happened to you and your father?

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That's the thing. How about that? Well, luckily, Cecily Aguilar, the living suspect, is charged with three conspiracy, three counts of conspiracy to tamper with evidence. And when a judge asked her this. I have never wanted to punch someone so hard at my what? Even the judge asked her if she understood the charges against her. First, she shook her head.

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No. What don't you understand? You don't understand what you did. And also you tell, oh, no. And then eventually she said, Yeah, sure. Yeah, sure. Oh, just like she just doesn't give up. Yeah, sure. You dismembered a human she body evil piece of shit.

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That's disgusting. Well, she faces up to 20 years in prison. That's right. Fifty thousand dollar fine. Which it's like she should get a lot more than that. She dismembered a body multiple days in a row.

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And the family's lawyer, Natalie Khawam, has said like she's a terrorist.

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She should get the same. She dismembered a U.S. soldier. Right. She's a terrorist. And she is. So she pled not guilty because, you know, she's a twat. But her bond was denied good. And she has to stay in jail until her trial, which no date has been set for.

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The reason her bond got denied is because in a recorded conversation from the jail, she told someone that she was planning to leave the country and she had five thousand dollars that she was going to leave the country with.

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And I didn't fucking think that they were like. How do you ever watched an episode of anything?

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This is the same monster I can call her like a woman or he she's a monster.

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That was like if I say we were in Belton, Texas that night looking at the stars, it'll place us there, but they won't ever suspect anything.

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And I think you just might be your alibi is looking at the stars by their side saying you're an idiot.

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So they were like, yeah, you're a flight risks. And you literally just admitted that you were going to leave. Just like she's like. They're like, do you understand? And she's like she shakes her head. No. They just play the recording of it like I'm a leave the country.

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Like, yes, sure, why not? Well, the U.S. attorney, Mark Frazier, said that she also deleted her Google account while she was in jail and then she called someone to ask the person to delete her Facebook page.

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How did she delete her Google account while in jail?

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Who knows? But I'm also like me. I'm also like, what? What was on our Facebook? Also, you know, you can get at least they can get it.

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Look, if they want to. I can't wait to hear what comes out.

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Well, her husband this was just an interesting note because I was like divorce. Oh, honey. Oh, God isn't going to stand in my.

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She was becoming a more religious person recently, I believe. Sounds that don't they always will.

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And he said, quote, There was a time when she really wanted to know more about the relationship that I have with God. And she would just really draw in on that. Yes, she really drew in on that when she took a machete and hacked up a U.S. soldier with the dude that she was having an affair with. Feel like God probably doesn't feel too good about that. I don't think she was getting religious student.

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No, I'm sorry. No, I think you are looking at this with rose colored glasses and you need to just take them off. That's like when Son of Sam was like, I'm son of hope now. Yeah, I'm son of Holden now. And if it's not too late, Bradtke, you can't murder people and dismember them and then pretend that you're religious. You can't. No, I'm sorry. That's pretty sacrilege. Yeah. That's that's real sacrilege.

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I'm saying so. Vanessa's family has asked for a congressional investigation into the Fort Hood base because yassa shit is going down. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Another interesting note that ties back to the Fort Hood military base, and that is making people be like, whoa, is this connected? Is June 19th private in the 150 of composite transportation company Gregory Moralez.

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His remains were found lightly burned in a field in Killeen, Texas, less than 10 miles from Fort Hood.

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He had been missing and assumed a wall from Fort Hood from August 19th when his remains were found not far away from where Vanessa's was.

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And he was lightly burned. Yup. Yeah. So when he was reported missing on the 20th of August, he was initially reported as a well, they immediately were like, he's a well.

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And because that's you can wrap that up in a neat little while later when they couldn't find him. He was labeled as a deserter. Nice ameet. Like they put him on the list.

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So he was set to be discharged just days after he went missing. So is that awful to me? That doesn't say a. Wall or deserter? He was set to be discharged. Why would he desert. Days before he was going to be discharged? Nobody would do that.

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Is anyone thinking with their brain? Yes.

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So his status was eventually changed from deserter to active duty after his remains were found. Good. This allows his family to bury him with full military honors, as he should be.

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But they had to fight for it, which is absolutely ridiculous. Yes.

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And the Army see I.D. operative, a twenty five thousand dollar reward for information about his death.

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But they didn't do it until after a reward was offered for Vanessa again in her case, because then they realized they had to his family had requested one to be offered in September 2019, a month after he went missing. They were asking for that reward money to be up. Note nothing got put up for him.

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They immediately assumed he just went well and didn't even.

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That's ridiculous. His clothing was found shredded and scattered around the area. No suspects have been brought for us in connection with his death. And again, very close to where Vanessa was found. That's weird. And lately lower, right? Yeah.

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And so people like, what is this about? Right. His family says the military didn't give them any updates searching for him.

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And in fact, they found his car in January 2020.

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Never told the family what his sister in law had to dig and search and found out that the car had been sold at auction in Dallas. Family was like, why didn't you tell us that you found his car but not him? Like, that seems like something you would tell a family. That's something that's just hanging over to now. And I'm hoping that that family is gonna get some answers because they deserve answers.

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Yeah, any family that loses their child or sibling or something like that.

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So there was an increase in sexual assaults in the military, reported sexual assaults of three percent while us from the last time it was reported.

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That doesn't bode well for like a good trend if we're going up. It's not a good trend that should be going down. And then I found this information on Protect Our Defenders, which is a really good Web site to read about, like sexual assaults in the military. And this includes men and women. Right. And it's protect our defenders because it's trying to give information to help the people who defend our country not feel, you know, unsafe while they're trying to protect our country because they're doing enough dangerous shit as you don't need be worrying about this on top of it.

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So on the Web site, it says the reports that are restricted where survivors confidentially disclose and assault, disclose and assault without stating an official investigation, saw a 17 percent increase from last year with 2126 reports. While the increase shows a, quote, clear lack of faith in the chain of command. Protect our defenders, Stettin said in a statement about the report. The organization supports and advocates for service members who have been sexually assaulted.

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So it does. It shows because these are the people who went confidentially to report it but didn't want to open any investigation. So they went just to be like, here it is. I know you're not gonna do anything about it, so don't even bother. Right.

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And that does it shows a clear lack of cost. Obviously, they're like, nothing's gonna be done about this. We're just sad. How sad is that? Real sad. So there has been a social media campaign going around called hashtag. I am Vanessa Giesen, where service members, men and women can share their experiences with sexual assaults in the military. And what was done or not done about it?

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If you go on Twitter and type that and you're going to see a ton of stories and it's heart wrenching, I can imagine, because when you just keep thinking about it, you like these people are like laying their lives on the line for the country.

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And now, on top of the stress that that involves, which is unimaginable, I was going to say you're dealing with this whole other set of stressors that it's like just shouldn't be a thing with people that you think have the same common goal round goals as they backed and morals and ethics and they don't.

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Holy shit. So July 30th of this year, so soon? Vanessa Gaines family is introducing a bill called the I Am Vanessa Gyi and Bill. And it would allow service members, men and women to report sexual assaults to a third party entity instead of having to bring it up their chain of command or go to their good.

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That's the whole thing that they need. You need an unbiased third party entity to sit there and look at it right through. Nonbiased.

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That they actually going to investigate. They need to look at both sides and see it for what it is not somebody who's totally invested in the whole thing. Right.

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And there's probably like potentially friends with your. Yeah.

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Assaulter and July 30th, they are going to be doing you like a peaceful protest in Washington where they're going to present the bill.

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They are going to present it to Trump. And I hope for the best. And I hope that he does the right thing. I hope he gets signed into.

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Law. And we'll see. The family deserves it. And the military deserves it. Yeah, yeah, they do. The military members deserve to feel safe. They deserve to feel safe.

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They deserve to know that people care about what's happening to them when they're not just on the front lines. So that is where we are now. If any more updates of this case come forward.

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We will certainly update with an update upset.

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But right now, that is the case of Vanessa again.

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Damn, that was my job.

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And I hope that, you know, something positive comes out of this. I really do. I do, too. And I hope we find out more about what was going on here because there was a lot more. Well, I think we are going to find out more stories.

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Gregory Moralez, I want to know more about his situation.

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Yeah, I want the family to be able to have some of some kind of seizure.

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But not so rare that you're a jackass and you like somebodies body on fire and then you kill your girlfriend to go look at the stars together, even though you're not being really actually looking at the stars and like the stars are stupid. So that's what it's done.

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But the stars aren't stupid. But I actually like them so that I love Star.

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She can't ruin stars for us stars.