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This is exactly right. And welcome to my favorite murder, the professional version of our podcast.

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It's the one you've been waiting for.

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Good one. You know, it's the MVR version where we're journalists, professionals. Oh, we're we're we're. Did you say depression?

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ALL Oh, my God. No, that's I. Amazing. High spin off. What's up?

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Professional depression over the depression also. Do you have to go into the office and your super chemically bummed about it? We understand. Are you wearing the same sweat pants for the past two weeks? We we get it for depression, homeless. But Taiping, the depression on our new sitcom on Clippy.

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Next month, more Wehbe be going to be. Everyone's bullying Quimby on the playground. I know. I mean, really. Chrissy Teegan as a judge, I'm like kind of totally down it.

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There's no problem with it. It's just it doesn't. I think it's reductive to pretend that people want to be staring at their phones all the time. Yeah, I think it's what any of us want. It's just a full blown addiction. It's like if they came out with designer syringes, we as the addicts don't want that.

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We're now doing this cause I can't go anywhere else. We're not trying to up our heroin game. No. And, like, make it a luxury heroin game. No, I want something to look away from the phone. That was my dream.

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These days, watching TV is an escape from your phone. It's not anymore. And a negative thing.

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This is a little hell machine that we have to stare at in KZN Someone's a common, but we don't want to know.

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I'm having a hard time just with a little bit. A lot of it I am lately on my phone.

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Yeah. Yeah, I agree. There's a lot of input and not a lot of positive. I mean, kind of. You have to look for it.

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Every day is negative. Every day is a new negative. Here's a pause that I'll give you because my sister texted this to me yesterday. I thought you'd enjoy it. It's an interview with Bill Gates. And the person asks, what are the skills today's students need to know to thrive in the world of 2030? In 2014, Bill Gates said for the curious learner. There are the best of time. These are the best of times, because your ability to constantly refresh your knowledge with either podcasts or lectures that are online is better than ever.

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Even Bill Gates is a mystery. I really think he's a murderer, you know.

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This is my favorite murder. The PI count, the very. So that's Karen Kilgariff. That's Georgia. Hard, stark high. Definitely didn't say that part. Hi. Hi. How are you? What's going on? Let me think. It's been a stressful week. Mm hmm. But lots of lots of kind of conversations with my therapist that are like, you know, I'm on a boat and the boat is on high seas.

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That doesn't mean they're going to be. It's going to be wavy forever.

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Just tell it is now.

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The tide pools of your life. And right now you're in the tide pool with, like, really angry fish. These really, really a very small fish. Really good to hear your wish.

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Those parrot fish with the teeth that are dicks. But someday it's gonna all be starfish and fuck. And those dick guys dicks. There's going to be there's gonna be big whales winking at you out of the corner of their eye because that's the only way they can look at you. Because they're so giant.

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It's the candidate he's helping at all. Right. I'm my therapist. Gave me homework the other week, which I usually. My God. I can't. I can do this. What are you talking we've talked about. I feel like I have a learning disability undiagnosed.

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And yet you give me algebra just like you know you need to do.

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You need to find X. You need to find the value of X your the value of X Georgia all along that it actually did end up being good.

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So, yeah, thank God for therapy during this this horrible, horrible time.

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Do you have to give us a general idea. Do you have to write something in a notebook.

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Did you have to like I had to make a list of should that I feel like I have, you know, like I should be this place in my life and I should be this happy all the time. And I should be like one guy. Cool, but also like feminine and like all my shades. Yeah. I mean, I shouldn't know if I want a baby or not like those. It's all bullshit. It was like what was the.

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Was that dog from The Simpsons? Oh, yeah. Who escaped? Yeah. Who? Cheese. Yeah. Chris, you know, koochie the rapping hoochie. That's right. Yeah. But also feminine and feminine like Puchi. But feminine. Yeah. But then she said then the next week after I read it to her, she was like, okay. I would look at this list. Would you. Would you tell any of your friends that they should have all these things done already too big now.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. That's very effective when you're like. It sounds fine to say that to me. But of course, I would never say that to anybody. Oh, I like my friends.

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Messy. Yeah. Well, and also it's like. No. I bet you people have three babies and don't know if I should be having babies. It's like I don't think the baby thing ever feels.

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And, you know, there's I'm sure there's some people are like, I knew it since I was exactly young. But I don't I don't know that you think it's all scary. How could anyone feel like 100 percent about anything, especially these days? These days?

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Fuck, man.

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Did you just slap someone? Threw them down? What always left me.

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It's just like a good face slap. I remember that guy and the bigot number, all the like. Zoome mess ups in the beginning of these times when people has kept fucking up on Zimm and one guy like threw a cat, his hat was not just that cat was his cat, his own cat. It wasn't just a stray cat. The cat he was supposed to love. Did you see the one where the little girl was arranging the bookshelf behind her mom while she was on the BBC News?

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No.

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That's adorable. It was almost like that family was like, how can we try to be this super cute little girl that walks in while her dad's all? And this little girl came in and started moving books on this top shelf, kind of like in the back of the room. Yeah. The mom was like clearly talking about I didn't actually I can't listen to news clips anymore. Like, I can't risk hearing the things that then we'll like rattle in my brain.

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So I know why. Don't listen to the audio of anything. So that woman could have told you. Might my. No. Yes. Yeah. She could have been like how to train your children to reorganize your bookshelves.

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You got to assume whatever it is. It's not that I didn't love you a good assumption. She's like, I got this one trained in three weeks and Pirate's Booty and a little bit of focus. Do you. Let's see here. Oh, I wanted to say a couple weeks ago when we had our episode called The Seasons in the Abyss or whatever. Right after we posted that fuckin slayer, someone from Slayer, a lovely person named Emma, reached out to us.

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Yeah. And was like, do you guys want Slayer swag?

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I listen to a podcast cause she's I think she's with the management team. Slayer is right. Yes. So, Emma, thank you for sending us. Fucking Slayer or even Vince. Got some. It was. Yes.

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Our birthday. So Jay on the Friday staff zoo meeting was like, oh, somebody. I'm Emma from Slayer's management company, reached out and asked if we wanted swag.

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And everyone's like, yeah, it was company Y and J. Who's like a fuckin Deadhead. I was like, are you sure Slayer's gonna fit in with your like? Cause he's got a lot of Grateful Dead stuff. Yeah. He's like nails. I fucking love it. It's totally slayer. It's Slayer crosses all divides for the difference. Here is the band, the boy who drove the van. Who would it make eye contact and lady or relicense could see with baked out of his mind.

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That's the shirt he was wearing. Who doesn't love that?

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Let's see. Oh, I also want it. We have it. If we have a new Phoebe friend of the podcast, you know how we collect Phoebe's fee when Judge Phoebe Waller Bridge.

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Oh, there's another Phoebe with those two women declare themselves friends of the bar, Garzarelli claiming them.

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We're claiming that demanding man might have mentioned us or being mentioned near us in an article once somewhere, someday. And I know I think we make Phoebe judge. Ah, yeah. Judge, I made up. No, you just wanted the Phoebe to be in there. All right. Who's our third veto? Phoebe Bridgers Real. Tell the gal she's like she's like on the charts. She said she listened to us when she was making her last album, Punisher.

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Yes. I fucking read this to you. This is every conversation I had with my sister. I told you this two weeks ago.

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Oh, she. I'm sorry. I've been on. I've been in there not paying attention, forgetting things. Tide pool of my life.

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Hey, that's a tough one. That's a real that can be a real. There's a real undercurrent in that tide pool. Yeah. Because it went. It was an article that was in pitch for. And our logo was in the image. Yes. Of all the thing. Yeah.

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Yeah, you're lucky I met her before she was a gym showers. She was on a podcast that I used to record with Moon Zappa. And she was a guest on it. So good. And played a song. And I saw her open for Conor Oberst. And it was amazing.

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Yeah. She's. She opened. She opened for someone else. Huge. Recently. It was the seventh 1975. Oh yeah.

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She's big deal. Well, I'm the last, you know, everything. No, she's great. She's a real talented gal.

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One more Phoebe to the pile. I bet you there's more out there out of it. Keep your eyes peeled. Did you see that thing? You know how he said, like enough with the McKenzies in the Brooklyn's and the there was one other one, the one other name, McKenzie, Brooklyn in Madison. And then some gal tagged us in her Twitter and it was herself and her two sisters and their names from McKenzie, Madison and Brooklyn, swear to God.

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And that was an I feel attacked. Yeah. They're like, I don't listen to you anymore. Fuck off. How dare you?

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Hymens. McKenzie Madison in Brooklyn.

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Sorry. OK. Let's do Mirch Corner real quick. Do. Yeah. There's some good stuff.

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Yeah. We have like we're finally updating the our merch page ads at my favorite murder dot com. The store.

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And we have a puzzle which I like puzzles. Are you so happy. Honestly it looks way too hard for me. It's what I love is people are already sending because we haven't. I don't think we've talked actually on the current podcast about the puzzle that we plugged in yet. I think we mentioned it. So people are now sending pictures of them, starting it or doing it right. Which is my favorite. And somebody sent a picture saying, this thing's gonna be hard.

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And I was so excited because it is not easy. It's not a B, it's not for babies.

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No, this is an advanced professional puzzle. And I'm proud and all my dreams are coming true. Thank you, Georgia. Thank you, Steve. And it. Thank you, America.

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The. It's all about America and Phoebes and the Depression alls have made it real and happen. Yeah, it looks hard. I don't want to do it. You don't have to let others do it for you. No, it's excite. It's so exciting, though. I mean, I guess for me we have causes of that really cool thumbprint design that I love, too. So that's all. I'll take the cruises. You take the puzzles.

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Yes. Well, also, I like the puzzle because it shows a map of the United States that then has icons that show every city where we've done. It's like a bunch of the murders that we've covered. Right. It's a little bit of drawings and stuff that happened like, you know, this and that. A little yearbook. It's a little three, four yearbook of all the things we've done so far. Yeah. Kind of fun. And, you know, of course, about us.

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That's exciting.

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The puzzle, of course, was made by J.D. Young, who did our merch like the really cool poster for our UK tour. Super talented and like, obviously a puzzle freak because it's it's super hard. I mean, she didn't hand cut the pieces early on. But, yes, she designed this puzzle. She designed the heck out of it. And she did it really fast. So she did great. Awesome. Thank you, Jade, for enabling us to have our own puzzle.

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You're our enabler. Go to my favorite murder dot com to the store. Yeah.

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And get your our puzzle for your lake house. You know that. Also now we have murdering those sweat pants and like, sweat where they call them lounge.

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They want to call them a lounging or a jogging set.

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That's like sweat outfit. It's what it's sweat a sweat suit for those who aren't that into sweating.

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Right. Yeah, sure we do. Exactly right. News highlight corner. Well, we're here every do it all read off that. You want me to do it. OK, sure. I'll be. I'll be here with you. What do you mean what paper. This is off the cuff.

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You know, I memorize this monologue last night.

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So murder squad this week there they are doing the recent case of Specialist Vanessa again, which is a really I mean, we've been following this on her own horrifying case out of Fort Hood, the U.S. Army base. It's so sad. Yeah. Condolences to her family and friends.

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So Billy and Paul are looking into that and other unknown causes of death cases there, which is very interesting. And like. Yeah. I can't wait to hear. I can't wait to hear that.

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That's right. Bananas has Art and Myhren on his a really funny comedian. This podcast will kill you. They are Erin and Erin are covering radio. Asian. I mean, that bastard who doesn't fucking love radiation. It's so good. Also the per cast. This is so beautiful, Steve. Steve and you guys, they're they're covering the story of Elijah McClain, who is a young black man who used to volunteer his free time playing the violin for a local shelter, cats.

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And he was murdered by police in twenty nineteen. You seen his face and like the calls for his case to be solved. And so Steven and Sarah are raising money to help to help that cause.

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Yeah. It's where essentially just wanting to shed a little bit more light on the case because there's so many cases. And so we just wanted to take an opportunity to step know, step back, talk about it and, you know, encourage people to donate to the families, go fund me. And yeah, that's, you know, simple. But I think it was important to tell his story because he's such as he was such a sweet person. That's so beautiful.

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He was a cat lover like you guys. And I love that you're. I love that direction you're going. And that's so beautiful.

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You're right. It's like all of these unsolved or, you know, these these cases of violence or whatever are coming to the fore. And it's just lovely that people are taking the time to kind of focus on them and help people focus in specific ways and that it's really good. Are you guys still doing the fundraising?

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Yeah, the fundraising just started basically today. So essentially, if you go listen to the episode, there's more details. But if you donate to the families, go fund me. And, you know, show that you donated, you basically get entered into a rent, into a random drawing where you can win a copy of Stay Sexy, No, Get Murdered, Signed, and just some other precast stuff and everything. And, you know, it's it's not it's not an incentive to donate, but it's more of like a thank you.

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You know, we took you. Yeah. Four sets in a week for our listeners to, you know, just give back a little bit, which. That's so beautiful. You.

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Thank you so much. Thank you to you and Sara for doing that. Yeah, I. I love keeping the attention on this and that the police who murdered him need to be brought to justice. It's really important. And then the phone line always doing incredible work. Their new series starts this week. It's about the Atlanta Ripper. Amazing. Really important. And then I said no gifts with Bridger Weinger as our friend caring friend of the podcast, Karen Kilgariff.

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What I think of my gift might be the best one he has been given so far. Check it out. You tell me what you think. I think I won the gift. It's not a competition. It wasn't until you showed up. I know it's on. Let's try this again. We've got a nice there's a nice line up on. Exactly right. Lots of entertainment, all different kinds. What do you need? Lots more to come. We're working on it.

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So much to come. Yeah. Kind of be so exciting. How are you watching anything right now?

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Well, we both talked about. So we're obviously watching. I'll be gone in the dark. Great. With Art, with friend of the podcast, Karen Kilgariff. Mixed beer, making a Karen Phoebe Kilgariff. Yes. She's such a Phoebe.

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Can we make Phoebe Bilic positive? You know, highborn St. Catherine's the negative. Have you have for you is like the friend for a second.

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I honestly thought you meant Phoebe from friends.

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And I was just like, OK, yes, I'm liking this because Phoebe, remember when we met her at that, I was going to say that we saw Ben met her at a party.

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She was so nice, so nice. So, you know, like just standing by the where people were getting drinks and. Yes, somebody we were talking to another person and then she just basically said, what, are you guys OK? Yeah. Lisa Kudrow. Lisa Kudrow comes out you two hours and can't do it conversation. It's just you and me in a corner.

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They just got us talking about each other to ourselves and fucking Lisa Kudrow like obdurate there, our other Phoebe. We have feelingly abilities. That's what I'm saying. Like, that's the first thing I went to because you kind of bent over her like you guys.

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I'll always love her for that. And then we just we she and I chatted for like three minutes, kind of about just it's just like that thing where everyone you have to remember this for people who hate going to parties. And we will go again someday. And if you're going now, truly go fuck yourself.

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For real, you're killing people. Go to parties. I mean parties. Are you. Are you a fucking child?

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Like, please now please. Anyway, executer. Well, you have to remember when you no one wants to go to a party, everyone feels like they're the one that doesn't belong, no matter who you are, what you are or whatever. But if you're the kind of person that can just be like, hey, what are you talking about? People will always be like, I'll tell you anything, I'll tell you it, because that's such a brave, fun, real bull thing that you just did.

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Yes, of course. On top of that, you're Phoebe from friends and everyone loves you. Yeah. But. Still, it's such a great move to make. I mean, you're opening yourself up. Right. You have to keep in mind that there's someone at that party who's more uncomfortable than you are. So chances of you going up to someone and being like, hi, I'm. And being open and, like, vulnerable.

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You're going to make someone have a better time. Yes. Then what if they do some weird, snobby 90s thing where, like, they make a face at you, then fuck you can you're allowed to slowly touch their face?

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Not yet. Not right now. Not in this climate. But I'm just saying the fitness. Sure. Sure. If you do it because it's not assault, if you just weirdly rub your palm. You're kind of salty palm right down their face or in the back of your hand, like the back of your fingers, like slowly down the side of their face, like you're a strange Lothario walking to the party, trying to seduce men that's on them that there's just got touched.

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If you're bored during quarantine, there's no reason you can't make up fights to have when we're all out of quarantine. Make them up. Practice them. Go over them a time or two. Liza, the tide pools of your life and sometimes you're in the imaginary future fight tide pool. I've been riding with a stupid dipole metaphor. Well, it's VEMA Aboriginal. I'm saying, you know, you don't want to. I like it. I think he's going OK.

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Just got no violent starfish. Really scratchy. Raw.

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It's like what fish is our band, the backup band for pheeney Bridgers. Bus is now violent. Start by sharpish.

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What do you think, Tiepolo? That's apples of your life. I just want to see there's an eye. Actually, I'm almost positive. I've told the story on this very poor guys before. When I spotted I was with bananas boy Scotty Landis. Actually when this happened, I spotted Colin Farrell. I'm not kidding. From probably 80 yards away. I could feel him coming toward me. It was magical, but one sided. And then I was like.

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Had the full wave of like, oh, my fucking God, it's Colin Farrell. And I turned his cock. I'm like, it's good. And he was already nodding very tiny at me, just like Scott. Like Scott is the most incognito person I've ever met. So he. He'll not give away your bullshit.

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No. No. Keep it like a secret. He he didn't even turn his head. It's just like some sort already know that.

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So I said, did I tell you I saw Keanu Reeves at the knew that the.

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What's the. The mall on the corner of La Cienega, the best center, the babycenter in like ninety eight at the height of my cuteness.

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You know what I mean. Like Schavan downhill since then. But we were coming past each other on the escalator, going up and down.

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And I swear to God, he gave me sexy eyes. Yes, he did. Well, well, 18 year old. Sure. With your little a choker and your name and your barrettes.

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God, you. So he it was like it was a dream. He was. How long was his hair. It was like. At the time it was like early matrixx. So it was like. It was like long short you know, like Slowey floppy on top but then shorts. Yeah. He was so good. I'm sure he was like Eminem. I'm going to ruin the next five years of this girl's life like me. Sexy eyes. It's just like why no.

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Okay. Okay. See you later. I'm going to be. I'll be up at Sephora if you.

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There's no support it. No. Preece of what. Zeil. How did it work. What. You hear me.

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I'm going to be in the Macy's Estee Lauder section. That's how backwards this society time. I have to buy makeup that doesn't match my skin. Where is Mac? Okay, here's here's something just to. While we're here. Because I just had this thought when Mac makeup came out. I remember this. This came to me. My it was 1990 or 1991. I lived in San Francisco. My roommate, Christy Ward, who was also my roommate in Sacramento, where she was there for me, the good times, but mostly for the bad.

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And Christy, she was very hip and she was very into knowing all the new stuff. Thank God for her. She fucking was like I was at St. Stan today and where I signed us up for this thing. And it was a Mac tutorial that weekend. And it wasn't like out on the floor. We were in a separately conference room. And the person I think either who started Mac or was like one of the main early people was there and like, this is studio fix and like showed us this makeup.

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There was not liquid makeup that covered all of my zits and all of my ready skin, but like in five parts and all that, it was I will never forget that day I was like in the spice lip liner is like the 90s kicked off.

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They were like the first people that were like, oh, you live in Sacramento. Doesn't matter. You can look like a fucking. Candy raver from yes. At my club kid from New York, even though I live in Sacramento and like, here's how it goes. Shit, I live in Sacramento, but I can look like a fucking candy raver. Here I am with my a super powdery face. The hairy brown lipstick. No reason. And a very dark brow.

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Yeah. Here we go. You always me get into it. I just think that was such a it was a it was a pivotal moment. Mac makeup was the reason Christy Ward made it happen.

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Now, do we have a photo we can put on the Instagram of this episode? I think I have one of Arae today. Candy, Candy. Georgia, I can post. You have a candy, Karen.

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Yes, but see, my look was never anything like that because I'm older.

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I like the skin like a girl. Too hard on a lot like the skin. Oh, hell, yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. Let's add that. And lots of lipstick. OK.

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Even though it's did Wednesday night right now and Steven has been working all fucking day and even to be the Austin City Limits, you make sure that we that we get these fucking photos that are probably in our basements and give them even if you could come over and look through my basement and I'm gonna stay upstairs wearing a mask, please wear a mask.

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These were two masks they made responsible.

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Well, you shared the you shared the Sacramento photo with your. I think it was your friend and your roommate. That's right. During those live shows.

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Yeah, that's true. People love that stuff. Patty Riley, that was a Patty Riley special. She listens to every episode.

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Had a pet. Oh. And also, she's the one that had the Nick Terry shirt and got stopped on the street in San Francisco by another murder. You know, who freaked out was like, how did you get that shirt? And she was there on. I keep seeing on TV things happening and then just going the old days and I smoke. And four months ago or like, who do you see on TV? People like sitting near each other and be like, be careful, don't touch each other.

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Like, No, that's not real.

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It's not real. Not real. Yeah. Yeah. So crazy. Hmm. I wonder if you can wear masks no matter what. It's not political.

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It's Saux. We're at this such a strange time since it's such a historically significant time. There's so many things kind of coming to a head all at the same time. We're probably yelling work, preaching to the choir right now. I like to think, yeah, we're yelling at people that actually are wearing masks in their own homes alone.

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All their pets are masks on.

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They're like, please stop yelling at us. I couldn't be more worried, but, you know, just in case there's some people on that edge or they're like that, look, I just need to get to this party or whatever. It's like there's much more to it than just you got four fuck in bed. You consider that.

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And wants to know where the impressionists were. The Depression is suer also nurses and regional partiers like, oh, you got to target in the party thuggin. We do our best work at parties.

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We met at parties. We just we destroyed parties. We left so many parties early. Oh, that's so right.

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I remember there's there's no party. It's like a birthday party. Even you and I, we're like literally texting the like. Are you going seriously? Because I'm good to go, but I'm going to be mad if you're not there. And we got there, stood in the living room and I was like, I gotta leave.

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Was it was it your party? Your party? Well, like in a bar.

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Was it one of those bar parties? Maybe it's like, you know, I'm just too old to be doing me.

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I can't stand around with. I just love that about that. You have your close friends who are like you. Okay, goodbye. Like, don't even they don't judge you for it and not like no I didn't see you at the party.

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Yeah. It's like no no I know. Yeah but now man I kill for a party.

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Oh fuckin dank sticky bar proline. A bunch of fuckin arrogant comedians who just want to talk shit on other more successful comedians and leave mother's milk.

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What a dream. I'd love nothing more I guess about murder.

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Leah, I guess maybe you said the gas was about right.

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Or here's what I think we should start looking forward to, is how this podcast is going to begin to meld and merge out of a true crime podcast and into us tracking our own mental decline.

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Right. Right. Yeah. What if I just stop taking all of my meds today?

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What if I start taking all of meds switch? We don't recommend it. What did I do?

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You switched Karen Kilgariff on medication for Georgia Artwork's medication, and then your guy gets this Folger's and you're like, what are you talking about?

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It's not Carthy.

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You're drinking fucking pond water. It's not coffee. No, it's not pond water. It's my tied pool. Water of insanity. I have to.

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These are the tide pools of your life. God help me. Who's first? It's me, right, Stephen?

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I didn't look it up last week to be on my meds. Yeah. Oh, because it was the live episode. Yeah. Karen is first.

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Yeah. Guys, guys also wanted to mention that I saw Scottie land a set of Shania Twain concert and ran into each other.

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This is like two years ago and they're not. You find it so perfect. Was he wearing a cowboy hat?

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No, he wasn't even wearing a cowboy hat.

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Was he wearing a shirt like a shirt? I think so. Yeah. Well, like I said, know, I had two twin belly shirt. I swear to God, if you haven't listened to bananas, those are two friends you're going to be excited to have met.

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Georgia, this week, I'm going to do the Grim Sleeper. Yes, I am, Karen.

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Come on in. Little Rock and a heavy hitter. Why not?

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Right. But the thing I will say again, which is what I've said before you, if you haven't seen Nick Broomfield's documentary Tales of the Grim Sleeper. It's absolutely for any true crime fan. It's such required watch viewing, required viewing because it tells the story of this serial killer that was in basically south central Los Angeles for 30 years. And it's told by the people who live there, it's told by his neighbors, it's told by the local activists that were the first ones to go out there and say, what the fuck is going on.

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It's told by the people who lived it every day. And it's such a direct like it's such a beautiful way of doing that, basically letting the people who happened to it happened around tell the story. Right. And there's no filter. It's really cool. And it's. And you meet these amazing characters that literally Nick Broomfield just walks around like different neighborhoods in South Central and meets introduces himself to people and lets them tell him the story. Yeah, it's amazing.

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And it's how it should be done live. But for now, Will to all tell it this way and the sources. So, of course, it's Tales of the Grim Sleeper, which is an amazing documentary by Nick Broomfield. Also articles from the L.A. Times and the L.A. Sentinel. There's a couple articles from BuzzFeed that were written by a writer named Claudia Corner. And then there's information that I got from this 2008 L.A. Weekly article by a writer named Christine Polytech.

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That's amazing. And I'll talk about it later. Very cool. L.A. Weekly moment, you know, from growing up here, the L.A. Weekly used to be this kind of stalwart local free paper that that did amazing coverage on really big, important things. They were in the book. In our book, I talk about how the L.A. Weekly are the ones that did the kind of like the cover story on Scientology and the Scientology. I maybe I took this part out, but the Scientologists came around and took all the free papers and threw them away.

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So no one could read their exposé on the church. And this was in like the 90s. Yeah. When the church was kind of growing in popularity and it's how it used to be.

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The L.A. Weekly used to be this amazing independent newspaper. It's it got bought.

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I feel like every town had this great alternative newspaper in the 90s. Or you could find out really find out about cool artists and cool things happening and bad things happening and shows and just doesn't exist anymore, which is escort's in the back and the green pages. Right. Party in the front. It's a real bummer. Really good stories in the front. And then you could get if you wanted a little company that night. OK, so let's let's start.

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It starts November 19th, 1988. Doesn't start here, but this is where we're going to get in. Because that's the night that 30 year old in nature, Washington, is walking down the street in south central L.A. on her way to her friend's house. They're gonna meet up, get ready and go to a party together again. Don't you miss it? So as she's walking this orange Ford Pinto with racing stripes, fancy rams and high end tires pulls up alongside her.

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So in each hour later, we'll remember that the car looked like she told someone it looked like a Hot Wheels toy. The drivers talking to her through the rolled down passenger window. He asked her where she's going, what she's doing. He tells her he can give her a ride. She just says back to him, you can't just, quote, holler at me through car windows. You have to get out and talk to me. So he does.

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He parks the car, hops out. And again, Officer Ride, she remembers. She said he is a short black man, probably in his 40s, and that he look very clean cut, almost geeky. And so, again, he offers her a ride and he's being very insistent. And when she says no, he fires back and says, that's what's wrong with you black women. People can't be nice to you.

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And when she hears this, she it makes her feel really bad.

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So that manipulation works on her and she gets into the car because she's like, I'm being too, you know, he gets her.

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He knows how to manipulate. So he gets are kind of where she lives. So she's in the car. But once he starts driving, she realizes he's not going in the direction where she said her friend lived. He explains he has to stop at his uncle's house to pick up money he makes that's off. He goes into a house for a little bit, comes back out, gets back into the car. They get back on the road and they're driving again.

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And then she hears him say something to her, but he she isn't quite sure what it is. So she turns toward him to hear it better. And. Suddenly, everything goes quiet. And then that's when she notices that somehow she's bleeding from the chest. So she panics. She reaches for the car door. He stops, are saying, don't touch that door or I'll shoot you again. And that's when she realizes that she has been shot in the chest.

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Fuck, yeah. So she's obviously in shock. Yeah. Like the whole thing processed in the weirdest way. So she then asks, why did you shoot me? He said because she was disrespecting him. When she tries to say, I don't even know you, he talks over her and is just blathering, rambling incoherently at one point. He calls her a different woman's name. She blacks out. And when she comes to he's on top of her and he's as she drifts in and out of consciousness, he's raping her.

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And at one point when she comes to she sees the flash of a camera and she realizes he's taking her picture car.

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Yeah, she has no idea how much time passes, but at some point he starts driving again. So she is, as she like kind of comes back to consciousness a little bit and she reaches for the door handle again. And this time he lets her open the door. And when the door opens, he pushes her out of the moving car. And so she's on the street. She he basically leaves her for dead on the street. So she's laying there in the street.

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And then this voice in her head says, you have to get up, you have to get up. So she basically manages to crawl over to the curb and slowly push herself up using the parked cars around her. And when she finally gets to like a slightly standing position, she realizes she is on the street where her friend lives. So she jokes around incidents.

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Well, I think he drew he like, quote unquote, dropped her off where she said she needed to go. So but then she's like, OK. So she walks to her friend's house. She makes it all the way there with having been shot in the chest. She gets there, gets up onto the porch, knocks on the front door. No one's home. So she's like she just turns around and realizes, OK, now there's this street is empty.

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I'm going to have to walk down to the main street and flag down help down on the main street like a, you know, half a block away. So she starts down. I she she's like, I'm going to make it. I'm getting you know, she's starts walking down off this porch and a car pulls up. It's her friend and her friend's husband. They finally came home.

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So because she hadn't shown up. So her friend gets other the cars. We were waiting for you. What's going on? And she's kind of like almost yelling at her for being late. Yeah. And she comes up on Anitra and realizes her. All of her clothes are covered in blood. Her friend starts screaming. She's like hysterical. And they call nine one one. An ambulance comes, takes in each year to the hospital. She's immediately taken into surgery and she ends up in the hospital for the next three weeks.

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But she her life is saved. And after about a year of, like procedures and treatments and physical therapy, ENISA makes a miraculous recovery a year to year after year.

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I mean, she got shot point blank in a car. Know, it's so it's amazing that she lived at all and that after that happening to her clearly fully in Chuck, she got herself to this front porch. It's insane. It's incredible. So it's a year later to nineteen eighty nine. And she's outside of her house in Inglewood and a man walks up to her and asks her if she knows him and she says, am I supposed to. And he doesn't say anything.

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He just turns around and walks away. And as he's walking away, it slowly dawns on her. The night she was shot, her purse went missing and inside her purse was her driver's license with her current address on it. That was the man who was her attacker. What the fuck? Yeah. So now we have to go back to the early 80s in South Central and what is famously known as the crack cocaine epidemic that hit that part of town and that this whole thing is a story in and of itself.

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And it's mind boggling and horrifying.

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And many people believe, and there's lots of proof to believe that crack cocaine was introduced into these neighborhoods intentionally. It's really horrifying. And there's that's a different show. And I'm sure there's plenty of podcasts out there. So we'll just keep it simple. And basically, by nineteen eighty five, crack cocaine is a full blown epidemic in this part of town. And addiction ravages south central. And families are torn apart. Communities are I mean, people, you know, as drug dealers are fighting over their turf.

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Addicts are committing petty theft to be able to feed their addiction. Right. Crime rates rise and especially murder. So when the bodies of black sex workers start being found around the south central area in alleyways, on roadsides, in parks, even in schoolyards. These deaths are written off as being either drug or gang related or, you know, basically they're written off as collateral damage. Right. So basically, the crack epidemic, it becomes a perfect cover for one of Los Angeles is what will end up being one of Los Angeles's worst serial killers ever.

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If not America's. So through the mid 80s. More than 20 murdered women. The bodies of more than 20 murdered women are found, but many, many more go missing. And there's and many more murders happen. These are just the ones that basically are all connected to each other and eventually connected to this killer. But that doesn't mean that. And black women and especially black sex workers were showing up dead constantly. Right. So among these victims is 29 year old Deborah Jackson.

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Her body is found on August 10th, 1985, in an alley near West Gage Avenue in the Vermont Slosson area of South Central. Just three bullet wounds in her chest. And ballistics will later determine that they have come from a 25 caliber handgun, a gun at close range. Almost a year to the day later, August 3rd. August 12th, 1986, the body of 34 year old Henrietta Wright is found in Hyde Park. And then just two days after Henrietta's bodies found on August 14th.

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Thomas Steeles body is found in the middle of an intersection and they believe his death is connected to Henrietta's murder. But police never find solid evidence to actually back that up. That's just what people nearby believe. And that. That no, essentially all of this is kind of feeding that idea that these black communities are simply, quote unquote, prone to illegal or criminal activity rights. Dismissed. Right. And and just all all kind of piled together like it's the same as it's the same kind of crime that's happening as gang the gang shootings more or drug dealing instead of clearly a series of a series of murdered women with the exact same M.O. every time.

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And that basically gives the LAPD a free pass to turn a blind eye to these horrific murder murders. It's later discovered that the L.A.P.D. would classify these murders as being any GI, which is short for no humans involved because they're women of color, because they were sex sex workers, because or or and because they were addicts.

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They're not even human to the to the officers of the law who are supposed to serve and protect.

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Yeah, it's I mean, it's unimaginable. And it's the kind of thing, again, in this documentary. And you have to watch it because it's there's people that speak on this where there's this woman who is a local activists and she's talking about that, you know, people were talking about why why didn't this guy get caught and why wasn't anything reported? And she's like, you can't as a black person, just walk into your local police station and say, I have something I'd like to talk to.

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She was like, ninety nine percent of the time. That's going to end very unpleasantly for you. People don't that you know, that's years and years of that kind of hideous treatment that obviously they're not going to be running to the police to say we need protection because they're not getting it.

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I mean, this is the epicenter of Rodney King and the riots. This is. Yeah. Which actually gets covered.

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And and we've talked about this in the O.J. Simpson. Yeah. Thirty four thirty. That's incredible.

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That kind of links all this up of a of what was happening down here and the way this this town has been segregated. And yeah. And that systemic racism that went into all of that. OK. So there are leads in these cases. There are pieces of evidence that when these bodies are discovered that are running throughout each case. So so, for example, there's reports of a 1984 dark colored Buick Regal, reports of a late model Plymouth station wagon.

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And reports of an orange colored Ford Pinto. But they're if they're followed up at all. I mean, they're barely followed up. Nothing is really ever chase down. And even though they question a number of suspects, they. End up like the theory becomes that there's something called the Southside Slayer, which was more of like a, quote, evil force than it was one specific killer. Wow. Which that does even make sense. And it's basically just kind of saying bad stuff is happening over there.

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Yeah. You know, there's not a lot we can do about it, which is totally insane. Yeah. So Margaret Prescott, who is a local radio host. She has a radio show called Sojourner Truth and she's outraged. She knows these victims because these victims are black women, most of whom are sex workers or struggle with addiction, that the LAPD is just blatantly neglecting their cases. And she refuses to let them get away with it anymore. So in 1986, Margaret joins forces with other local vet activists and she forms the black coalition fighting back serial killers like she knew it wasn't like it's a force.

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She's like, we're fighting a serial killer. Everyone's checking knows it, she said. And there's an amazing she's in the Nick Broomfield documentary. She's incredible. And at one point, she says in the 80s, we at one point we had a count of 90 women, but only 18 of them made it onto the books.

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So this wasn't the story. That was actually when the story even got told it, all the numbers were reduced so much. And she's. But she was like, yeah. This is this is outrageous.

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And so they start printing up flyers and handing them out in front of grocery stores. And you see there's there's footage from the 80s of this of this coalition, the black coalition fighting back serial killers. They're just going around flaring and saying, did you realize these women were found dead? Did you know there was a serial killer in this neighborhood? They're just going and telling other women, you need to be aware. And they just had to do it grassroots by themselves because, of course, it wasn't on the news.

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Nobody was talking about it. Yeah. And nobody was treating it seriously. So together, the coalition hands out fliers and they inform the community about the serial killings. They demand that the police and city officials prioritize the investigations of these murders. They fight for more resources in South Central and they fight to get the media to stop dehumanizing the victims just because of the jobs that they hold or the addictions that they have. Yeah. So despite the coalition's best efforts, the LAPD negligence enables this killer to continue murdering vulnerable black women.

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For the next two years. So on January 10th, 1987, the body of 23 year old Barbara where is found inside a trash bag in the central Alameda area. And Barbara, where was the third official victim that they knew? So at that point, because she also had gunshot wounds at that point, they knew it was a serial murderer. But they didn't. And they talk about this in the documentary. They didn't tell anybody and they didn't treat it that way.

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Therefore, that she could have been the one. And they talk about this like if this was some blonde girl that went to UCLA, the media would've been all over it. But nobody talked about it at all. And so those murders continued. But if he had gotten any press or any kind of traction as a story, maybe those other girls wouldn't be dead now. Right. But instead, it all just got swept under the rug. Four months later, 26 year old Bernita Sparks tells her mom she's going to go to go out to buy a pack of cigarettes.

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She never comes back. Her body is found on April 16th, 1987, and she'd been shot to death with a 25 caliber handgun. On Halloween of that same year, twenty six year old Mary Lowe says goodbye to her mother as she heads out for a Halloween party. Her body is discovered the next day. And she'd been shot to death on during January 30th, 1988. The body of 22 year old Lucretia Jefferson is found in the Westmont area.

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And seven months after that, the body of 18 year old Alisha Monique Alexander is discovered on September 11th of 1988. And both of these young women have been shot by a 25 caliber handgun. And it's the eighth murder in three years with the exact same M.O.. So in the case of Monique Alexander's murder, eyewitnesses tell police they saw her get into an orange colored hatchback on Normandie Avenue. And that's the same type and color of car that witnesses tell police.

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Mary Lowe got into the year before. The the lead is never followed up on Monique's father, Porter. Alexander told the L.A. Weekly that the investigation of his daughter's death was, quote, a big mess. They didn't put forth any effort and they didn't show any aggressiveness about it, which obviously they they actually they started a task force to be to work on the cases that they called this. The task force actually calls this series of. Killings, the strawberry murders, because strawberry is slang for somebody who's who sells, does sex work for drugs?

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Really? Yeah, yeah. That's like that's who that's what they call.

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I mean the the level of just a total lack of care or respect or anything is is just monstrous. So aside from determining that all eight murders were committed with the same 25 caliber gun, nothing comes of of establishing this task force until 1988 when the killer meets in each year, Washington and like the eight victims before her, the eight known. And on the book victims, we should say, she shot with a 25 caliber handgun after getting into an orange hat and back.

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But because Anitra survives her attack, she's able to provide police the first eyewitness description of the killer. She tells him he's a black man who looks to be in his 30s with short hair and a geeky clean cut appearance. And she also describes his car in detail. It's an orange Ford Pinto with racing stripes, rims and high end tires after nature's survival and her identification of her attacker. The murders of black women in South Central Committed with a 25 caliber handgun suddenly stop.

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But that's not because the serial killer has stopped killing. He's just changing his M.O.. So for the next 14 years, L.A. undergoes some drastic changes. While drug addiction does remain a public health issue, the crack epidemic begins to subside and crime rates begin to go down. And L.A. becomes the second safest city in the United States. But that has a lot to do with the intense police violence and police brutality and the tactics that they used. Which, again, is a whole different show.

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But essentially that the crack epidemic is is waning a little bit. So because the crime rates are coming down, it's it's more obvious when, like, strings of murders hang out. Right. So in 2002, a 15 year old girl named Princess Bertha Mew is living in foster care. And she often runs away and makes money for herself through sex work. When her foster mom reports her missing on December 21st, 2001, she is not seen again until her body is found strangled in an Inglewood alley on March 19th, 2002.

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A little over a year. It's so tragic.

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A little over your view. I think of all these crimes as like the 80s and early 90s. But it's like that's so recent. And she's 15, 15 years old.

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So for for about 14 years between those crimes in the 80s of women just getting shot in the chest and an amicable one way. Yeah, things things calm down. And then then he comes back in 2002 with this horrifying and a 15 year olds. I mean, this is she's a baby. She's a baby. A little over a year later, crossing guard finds the body of 35 year old Valerie McCorvey in a Westmont alley on July 11th, 2003.

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And she's also been strangled. When the L.A. PD tests the DNA samples taken from both of these murders, they are found to match eight cold cases from the 80s. The murders of Deborah Jackson, Henry Underwrite Barber, where Perny Sparks, Mary Lowe, Lucretia Jefferson, Monique Alexander and the attempted murder of Anitra Washington. So newly appointed Police Chief Bill Bratton considers making a task force in 2004 to investigate these connections and these cold cases. But an unnamed colleague allegedly dissuades him from doing that.

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The connections and the potential leads in these murders. And the proof of the existence of an active serial killer in south central are basically ignored until 2007. It's New Year's Eve, September 30, first 2006. Laverne Peters gets a call from her 25 year old daughter, Shia Laverne's babysitting Junior's four year old son at the time. And they're visiting other family members and gymnasia calls to tell her mom that she's finally got a place to live. She's really excited.

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She really loves the place. She feels safe there. The next day, January 1st, 2007, a homeless man who's looking through a dumpster on Western Avenue finds Junior's body wrapped in a garbage bag and sealed with a twist tie. She had been shot with a 25 caliber handgun. OK, so despite the obvious connection, Junior's death goes almost unnoticed. The few news stations that actually cover her death, they don't even report it correctly. They say that she was stabbed.

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But while the media and the LAPD failed to inform the public of. The return of the 25 caliber killer, a detective named Dennis Kilcoyne, finally convinces Chief Bratton to form a task force to investigate these murders. And it's dubbed the eight hundred task force named after the conference room that the force initially gathers at the police station.

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Finally, it's not a fucking derogatory name. Jesus. Yeah, for real. Ridiculous. So the eight hundred task force is made up of six six officers. No outsiders are allowed. No press. No other police people that are working. Just the people that are on this task force. And basically, the existence of it is totally kept secret. So here's where the L.A. Weekly intrepid reporter comes in. In 2008, a reporter for the L.A. Weekly name Christine Pelosi SEC learns about the existence of the eight hundred task force and begins to investigate.

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Christine Christine publishes an article on August 27, 2008, and it's the first anyone in Los Angeles reads in a general sense in the in the mainstream media, which is a free the L.A. Weekly. You know, the free local paper about the fact that a serial killer has been on the loose in South Central since 1985.

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I mean, it reminds me of Michelle McNamara so much completely. Well, listen, along with her thorough details on them, each murder, Christine, also delivers a scathing critique of how poorly the LAPD and newly appointed Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa has handled the entire ordeal. She writes the following. There is a no big press conference by Bratton who recently weighed in on Lindsay Lohan's love life. The camera Loving V. Groza, recently beseeched the public to eat nutritiously. Unlike city leaders who decried the BTK killer near Kansas City and the Green River killer who terrorized Seattle, Los Angeles to city hall is either unaware or has kept news of California's longest operating killer under wraps, thanks to the extraordinarily poor diplomacy extended by vehicle Rosa and the Vehicle Rosa administration and the LAPD brass to the victims, mostly working class black families.

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The weekly also was able to first inform some families this month that the murders are known to be the work of one sick man.

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Holy shit. So does a family's didn't even know because no one even informed them. No. So no one knew to look out and be careful and don't take rides from neighbors. And you know, the guy on the lookout? It was. Yes, just not. They weren't even warned. No, there was no word on it. And in fact, it's Christine herself, not the police who coined the killers nickname the Grim Sleeper because of his very abnormal 14 year hiatus.

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OK, so now we have we will go to an email sent to us by a Martarano. Hi, Karen, Georgia, and your cult family of pets. And Stephen, I'm a longtime listener, first time writer. Karen, you mentioned the Grim Sleeper in the last episode, and I've been waiting for you to cover this murder. My aunt. Not by blood, but by being my mom's best friend since I was a kid and helping my mom raise my brother and I on her own.

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Which was not easy as we were the broadest kids in North America, is a badass female journalist who's been covering crime in Los Angeles since the Rampart police scandal of the 90s. Yes. Oh, my. Growing up, she was always my idol because she was funny, pretty bought me smoothies and would talk to me about her stories. Now we bond over murder stories because murder, he knows about it. In 2008, she ferociously began to hunt down stories of nine murders of sex workers in south central L.A. that had gone unsolved and cold since 1988.

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She discovered two new murders in 2002 and 2003 that had been DNA connected to the murders of the 80s. When this murderer resurfaced, LAPD wasn't paying attention or adding manpower to the case because it wasn't going to win them any political points. And my aunt Christine Pellis wrote a huge expose calling them out for the lack of attention paid to what appeared to be one of the worst serial killers in Los Angeles history. Christine dubbed this murderer the Grim Sleeper because of the 14 years he had seemingly spent not actively killing in Los Angeles.

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She pointed out that these cases, had these cases been in Westwood or Brentwood, white, wealthy areas. There's no way police would have ignored a serial killer striking again. She humanized the stories of the residents of the South Central community who had their family members murdered. And she called the fuck out. The mayor of the man that she called the fuck out of the mayor. She also pointed out the need to use DNA testing on old cases like Michelle McNamara with the Golden State killer.

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Christine's articles brought the attention to the case and put pressure on the city to do something. This led to a break in the case with DNA. To get to that in a second. She wrote a book about her experiences called The Grim Sleeper The Lost Women of South Central, which was published in Twenty Seventeen. And they even made a cheesy, great Lifetime movie about it now. I had no idea. I'm so proud of her and her work to shine a light on a community of people whose safety wasn't valued.

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My dad passed away last September and when he passed, Christine told me how he'd been her editor and had seen her talent at the L.A. Weekly in the 1980s. I like to think about his legacy and me. So I want to brag to the world about her amazing talents. Love, Kelly, Motorino Cole.

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Did that get you? Yeah. So suddenly now, because of this article, there's real pressure to solve this case. But when they the DNA samples are taken from the victims and run through the state offender and federal crime databases, there's no matches. So they turn to familial DNA testing. Remember, this is two thousand eight, 2009 early. Still, it was still super early. And familial testing of is the kind where the sample has at least 16 markers matched to another sample in the database.

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So it's enough to implicate a close relative of a person in that database. So if there's someone with similar DNA who's already been convicted of a crime, there's a good chance that that person's relative could be a viable, a viable suspect. Now, this kind of familial DNA testing is controversial. And at the time, the attorney general was Jerry Brown for California and he was up for re-election. So he didn't want to attract any negative attention. So he didn't do the familial DNA testing until a little bit late, till after he was elected or until.

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Yes. Or till after he was reelected. So eventually he does rule that familial testing can be used if other avenues have been exhausted. And if the criminal presents a clear and present danger. So finally, in 2009, familial DNA testing is conducted on this cold case and they get a hit. Yes, a close familial match found in a man named Christopher Franklin, who had just been convicted of a family of a felony weapons charge the year before.

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And this leads police to a new suspect, Christopher's father, 57 year old Lonnie Franklin Junior, a former garbage man for the city of Los Angeles.

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Such a good cover because you can get rid of bodies so easily that way.

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And he was a garbage man in the 80s when it was still this system where it was the city dumps. Yeah. And like there was no the technology was not there in any way. And he had had access to a play, a basically the hugest dumping ground that where No. One. So how many audio and someone how many bodies were just never found.

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Well, they start following Lonnie Franklin Jr. and they realize he frequently drives along streets that are known where sex workers are known to walk. And so they need to be certain that it's him. So an undercover cop poses as a busboy at Johns. Incredible pizza in Bonaparte. Yeah, it's the name. That's not my opinion. It's the name of the pizza place. And they know Lonnie Franklin Junior is going there for a birthday party. The undercover cop takes Franklin's pizza crusts, utensils like all this stuff that he used to eat it that night and they put it in their little evidence bag.

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And the investigators extract his DNA. And when forensic runs their analysis, they find a perfect match. And on July 7th, 2010, police finally arrest Lonnie Franklin Jr. When they search his home, they find the 25 caliber handgun that was used in many of those killings in the eight. It's just there in his house. Yes, he still has it. That's how cocky he is. He'd like didn't even try to get rid of it.

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Yeah, because he'd knows no one had ever even though it wasn't didn't come up. Even more chilling than that, though, they find over a thousand Polaroids of women both conscious and unconscious, often nude, including the photo of Anitra Washington from the night of her attack. Basically, they end up there. They have a hundred and eighty photos that remain of missing unidentified women from that stash of photos that they're still trying to work through to identify who the women are because they know that they're just missing and the bodies weren't found or they didn't you know, they might be Jane Doe somewhere.

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They just don't know. So after a series of delays, Lonnie Franklin Junior's trial finally begins in February of 2016. He pleads not guilty.

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2016. Jesus. Yeah. In her opening statement, Deputy District Attorney Beth Silverman explains. That's Survivor. And each year, Washington will give testimony about her attack that will provide a blueprint to the fate of the 10 other victims who have no voice. Then any trip takes the stand and tells the story of her attack and survival. In full detail to the court when she's asked to point out her attacker in the courtroom, she identifies Lonnie Franklin Jr.. And when that, Silverman asks her, Are you sure?

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And Nature says 100 percent. Oh, my God. The prosecutor also reveals that in the 70s, Lonnie Franklin Junior was. Stationed at an Army base in Stewart Guard, Germany, where he was dishonorably discharged for participating in the gang rape of a 17 year old German girl. And then that girl, now a grown woman, takes the stand and testifies against Lonnie Franklin Junior's Hafter. She flew in from Germany to testify.

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She hit. Yeah. Yeah. On May 5th, 2016, the jury finds Lonnie Franklin Junior guilty on 10 counts of first degree murder and one count of attempted murder. He's sentenced to death on August 10th, 2016. Exactly 31 years after the body of Deborah Jackson was found. He is on death row at San Quentin until March 28 of this year. Now, when he is found unresponsive in his prison cell and Lonnie Franklin Jr., the Grim Sleeper is found dead at seven forty three p.m..

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He was 67 years old. So while investigators were able to confirm that Lonnie Franklin Junior did indeed murder Deborah Jackson. Henry Fonda. Right. Barbara where? Bernita Sparks, Mary Lowe, Lucretia Jefferson, Monique Alexander Prentiss Bartholomew, Valerie McCorvey and Ginny Sharp Peters and attempt and attempted to murder Nature Washington. They unfortunately could never confirm beyond a reasonable doubt that he murdered Thomas Steele. But it is widely believed that he did because of the gross negligence of the LAPD and their blatant disregard for black lives in southern and south central Los Angeles.

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We will never know for sure how many people were murdered by Lonnie Franklin Jr.. It's possible that he could have murdered as many as a hundred women, two, if not more. In December of 2010, the LAPD released one hundred and eighty Polaroids to the public in hopes that someone might be able to identify the women in them. So far, there have been no additional confirmed identified victims. And that is the story of Los Angeles serial killer, the Grim Sleeper.

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Lonnie Franklin Jr..

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Wow. Yeah. Great job. Thank you. So necessary. Q Jay lives for helping me with that research. She did an insanely great job and he found that murder in a letter that I made.

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Amazing. It's so great.

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But please, please watch Nick Broomfield's documentary. Those are the people you saw the story from. It's amazing. Pam, who is the woman he meets on the street that basically becomes his sidekick in the movie? She is. She's the best. She is the greatest person. And and it's just such a such a way, better way to tell the story of this or the people that lived in that community that knew him, his neighbors. He and also when they finally did like you, you see a map.

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His house is in the center block where all those confirmed victims of him. It's like a clock. It's just all around.

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He had easy pickings. He didn't have to go into other parts of the fucking city.

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Like he could just drive a block away and fucking get a victim and and take 30 fucking years to be caught.

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Yeah. And it's exploit this situation that was already so tragic, you know. All right. So unfair.

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That's one of the first ones Vince and I watched together. And Vince is not into true crime. Like, he gets really freaked out by it, but he talks about it to this day cause it's just such a good documentary and so, so good.

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So we just discussed the idea that maybe every other week, every week one of us tells a story and we're already at the two hour mark and like, but I'd be nice.

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We'll write if like next week. I tell the story and you and you can just sit back and listen and react and not, you know.

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So let's and also just I think that just because they're, you know, are. Whatever we're going to do it, we're gonna see how we feel. Yeah, we can try it. Let's try next week. So next week I'll go. And then. Yeah. I like that. I do, too. I think that's nice. Real quick, before we do the fucking hoorays, we want to take a minute.

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It's really sad. You guys have told us there's murder, young, very young, murdering knows died this week. And so we just want to take a second to talk about them.

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And so Summer Taylor and Diaz Love from Seattle were at a Black Lives Matter protest on the freeway in Seattle and got struck by a car. Sweet summer, Taylor. And both of them, are they them, by the way, Summer Taylor passed, sadly, and DS Love is still fighting for their life.

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And but I believe they're awake and I'm getting through it. So sending them our love.

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Yes, Stephen. Can you do will you mind finding a. There's got to be a go fund me. Yeah. Yeah. I'll find the four for them. Franzia we are.

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Let's put that on the Web site so that people can support and help out. Has that's you know, God that's that's such an awful thing to happen. And then on top of everything else, then you have you have to worry about medical bill. Right.

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It just so much for people to deal with and or they're both big advocates for human rights. And I know Díaz is fighting, so send them your thoughts and love. And then just completely this freak accident, this sweet baby angel, Alli Davis, 21 years old, a musical theater major at the Kentucky School of the Arts. And she's she's from Banner, Kentucky, just a complete freak car accident and died. And it's just it breaks my heart.

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It's so I I looked at her Instagram and she's just this bright, shiny person who looks like the minute you meet her or she would wrap her arms around you and be friends with you.

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And like, you know, all three of them just look like good kind people. And I'm more you know, I went in there when someone in our community dies, it's just, you know, we can't help but think of that. There are friends, you know, like the job that we share, the shit that you guys share with each other, the openness, the friendship that we all have. It's it's our friends. And so, yeah, it really means something.

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You meet people and you understand that you all have that same interest or whatever, any interests. But it's like, yeah, is it you guys have built this into a real community. It's real connected community. It's really beautiful. And hearing about stuff like this really does. It's heartbreaking. And it's also a really good opportunity to try to feel gratitude. You're still here. And what do you think that person would want you to do, right. In the fact that you're still here and you're still living, what can you do either to honor their memory?

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If you didn't know them at all, then to then to, you know, live maybe a little bit better or a little more consciously?

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Because, like, the idea that people hit by a car because they were out protesting against the brutality and violence against black people is really meaningful. And really, it's it's really quite something. And, you know, definitely.

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So some retailer ideas love Ali Davis. They're all in our hearts. Yeah. And we're thinking about every their friends and family and and what a huge, tragic loss.

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I have actually a really good one to kick off our fucking high praise. Yeah. Because it also is about some murdering those with some very good news. This was sent this was sent by Eric Clemmensen. It said it was to me and to my favorite Murdered said on Twitter. This couple bonded over MFM and as a protest got married in front of the burnt third precinct in Minneapolis. My God, I saw a picture of that. What is it?

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Yes.

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OK. So Alexis Hamblin and Selena Bernt got married and after being together for four months, and so they there's a long article on city pages. You can look it up, city pages, dot com. That's about this. But it's the cutest picture. And it says here, Hamblin and Bert met on Tinder, bonded over a shared love of my favorite murder and dated for about a year before they got engaged this Valentine's Day. It's so sweet. Look at how cute.

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Are you married? They're all sweethearts. With her crown, they hung a flower heart out. Do you see how many? How many years is four months in quarantine? Oh, dear, yeah. Going out for seven years. Congratulations, you guys. Were you honored to be a part of your of your city page's wedding announcement?

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That's Ray invited. Please, please invite us to the wedding party when it happens. And we'll kabo we'll slip out early.

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Yeah, OK. Mine is from someone name live Esther L. Ivy s t e r.

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And it says I have a fucking hurray. And then all caps. My dad is the fucking judge on that GSK case.

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Oh no. Her dad is the Golden State killer judge. Oh shit.

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She better shut up. This is all privileged information, girl. Do not ruin it. Growing up, my dad was a defense attorney in Sacramento. Says, sorry, Karen.

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It's OK. And I was too late. I watched as he showed me what justice really was. Everybody deserves to have someone on their side. And he has so many stories now.

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He could probably fill a book. I definitely think this is where I get my dark and twisty passion for true crime. Definitely. But a few years ago, he became a judge and began trying more and more criminal cases until today. He took on one of the most prolific serial killers still alive today.

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Not only is he an A plus dad to three amazing daughters, I'm just adding this.

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McKensie Brooklyn and Madison and Bailey. But he is a kick ass judge and watching him lead the courtroom through this. This mother fuckers plea hearing was inspiring, to say the least. Love you ladies and keep doing your thing. P.S. I am a nurse in pediatric ICU so I can confirm that, yes, you need to wear a fucking mask. And yes, you still need to distance. OK, love you. Bye.

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Holy shit. What's that. What's their name. Lives near L.A., I.B.. S tell ya. That's on Instagram. Congratulations. Live star. A very man. I feel like amazing years.

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You know, Liberti. You brought that up earlier. We were like we still we didn't even take the time. We shoot it about Mach makeup. We didn't take the time to talk about the plea deal. The Golden State killer. And I remember I was talking to somebody about this because I read I was reading about it. Oh, no, no. Sorry, Stephen.

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It was you probably telling me during you need a ride or whatever, but Paul Holes sitting in the courtroom watching them, watching this guy please plead guilty finally to twenty twenty two these crimes that he committed in the 70s and terrorized this entire all of California up until very recently. The idea that that story is winding down and he is going to be in prison for a long time for raping and murdering people for 40 years. It is incredible.

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It's unbelievable. It's like surreal.

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We have we have to talk about all be gone in the dark. The TV show. We need to talk about Perry Mason.

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We need to talk about unsolved mysteries, which we know once August is next week. When next week and when it's my turn to tell my story, because that's the format we have and probably always should have had. Also, we don't see a lot of Dirty Jon is like it's almost it's winding up and it is gone. It's gotten so good. I am so into this season of Dirty Jon Cabinet.

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I'm going to have time to watch it before then. We'll talk about bombs and listen to podcasts. I'm like I'm listening to some new podcasts on Loing.

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Guys, we didn't even get into. Oh my God. Anything. We were busy talking about fucking tide pools.

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All right. Thanks for listening to us.

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Still, after all this time and being here and being there for each other, support each other. So to each other.

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We love you guys. We're so fucking lucky and appreciate. I love you all. Yes. Thank you.

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And stay sexy and don't get murdered. Yeah.

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