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Hello and welcome to my favorite murder. That's George Hart Stark, that's Karen Calgary's high Ghadeer.
We are once again coming you. And here we go. Barcoded up. Forgive. Oh, OK, you know, we should shout out. May I may I suggest, please, it's basically almost very soon.
Coming up on the one year anniversary of fucking coronaviruses, the end of the world and the beginning of the lockdown we made, I mean, we're making it look because should we just be a little honest?
The last time we went to record, it was a bumpy ride for both of us.
We had 20 minutes in and I said, should we just put up a what it was like? It was dark thing after dark thing that was just like no one wants to hear dark thing after dark thing.
It was it was like it's it was exactly the opposite of what you would go, oh, I'm going to listen to a podcast or whatever. You're seventeen reasons might be none of them were on this list of this stuff we started talking about.
And it was that kind of thing where it was almost like an amazing example of a.. Conversation, where we both had like our own agendas. And it was just like, well, I want to and then we shouldn't do it.
You know, what you're saying is not we should be doing right now, OK, what can I say something and then turned and then George goes, I'm not into this. Can we do a live show?
And I was like, yes, that's such a relief because there's part of me that just wanted to close my computer and walk away. I was like, this is so depressing right now. And I was awful. And then I and then we just kept both doubling down. I mean, like, what did you watch this? And like, well, did you fucking did you drown your sorrows in this? Did you learn this lesson from this documentary?
It was just like a could could we somehow reapproach why we love to do this? And it's not about listing shows we watch on streaming services. I think that's what it's like. Everyone is like we're all just like we have nothing left to give you but suggestions for what is is distracting us from the past year.
Like so much for nothing else. It's more it's much more fun to talk about real things then we can both get into instead of like, well, did you watch it or didn't. That's what that's all. People should be called a challenge. You did. You are not watch it. And the answer is going to be no, because we watch completely different fucking styles of everything. Yes.
However, ever did you watch this one? I guess the Woody Allen is is a clear and present child molester documentary. I did not.
Allegedly, I did not. OK, we'll talk about it next. Sorry. I know exactly. We're not doing moving on. I mean, no. And not to shut you down and not to be conversationally negative.
Oh I hear. Oh well who wants to be in the George. What's up.
That's the first time she's ever like actually put her her her muzzle into the conversation. You know why I made a deadly mistake. You I usually feed them before I start. Excuse me. My I'm wondering is watching it says 610 right now. I will be with you shortly.
I'm wearing a shirt, a shark watch. And I hear you speaking and I hear I see that you've pulled your your pocket watch out of your vest pocket.
Mom, I've been learning about boundaries and I just want you to know I've been really been triggered. I feel like everyone's going through a point in therapy because it's so quiet in our lives. You know, there's like outside noise and desperation, but like in our in our lives are quiet. And so the my thare. OK, so. All right. So I then and I are in the inventory California on just I'm calling it and an air breather.
That's, that's not great.
I'm working on it, but it's basically it's basically the idea of let's go stare at different walls because we're so fucking sick of the walls we've been staring at. Yeah.
And my therapist was like, you're not allowed to read or listen to any self-help books or podcast on your trip because you've just got to stop it and you just have to write something fun and you're trying to absorb way too much like self-help, learning shit. And somebody just needs to ruminate. What was my point? That's a good well, no, that's that's the point in and of itself. That's a really good point.
It's like but you know what it is you're you basically went to the coast to like basically have a different experience. So you actually have to be in that experience, not trying to fix past experiences while you're having a presence. It's not constant. Being like, yeah, I canceled my second appointment of the week in therapy and I'm just like, here we are. You were like, what the fuck is she doing in Ventura? Like, it doesn't make any.
It's actually a lovely little beach beachside town. I wasn't, like, trying to be judgmental about Ventura. It's just like it's just basically like that. It's it's not a destination where you when you said that, I was like, she must have a cousin that lives there, something like that. That's the vibe it had. It's it's the quieter, less pretentious, no offense. Santa Barbara. Yes. So that's what I forgot that it's right there on our way.
I mean, we really like it here. It's like the one safe thing you can do is either go camping or go to the beach, like go to the coast, the empty ocean. So nice one. I mean, that's really nice. Yeah. Suck up some of those. The negative ions get that good clean air.
The walls are so different over here. There's fucking there's like a sea fish seaside motif going on with this erbium person knows who they're fucking selling to. Yeah. They're like, we know you're here for this big mouth bass or we.
Yeah, there's a Ron in the middle and we left the puppy at home with our incredible trainer.
So we're leaving the puppy at home to be better by the time we get back, like nothing feels better.
Good luck. Yeah. So the puppy supposed to be less of a puppy in two days? Well, may I. Yeah. Yeah. Sarah, do we believe in you? Oh, speaking of decor, can I have can I do one suggestion or what I sound that's made me really happy. This can be decor corner because I can actually tell you. Oh great. Yeah. OK, you know, I've told you about like what was it called.
Cottage Cork. Thank you. Cottage corner. And I've told you about, you know why I could do that. Why. Because there's only so many topics we've talked about before. There was eight months to work that I remember. I talked to me. I remember every word. OK, well, there's cottage core. I've talked to you about beekeeping and the new hashtag obsession I have that I didn't know I was until I saw it is called hashtag clutter core.
And it's just Clutter Clutter Corps or hashtag maximalism and people like me. You've been in my fucking house that are just tchotchke ATEX and these people, it's me.
It's just it's and I felt so guilty about it for so long. It's just shit everywhere. Like you fill your house with clutter, but it's meaningful clutter.
It's vintage clutter which you and I both love and I, I suddenly I'm like, oh, I don't feel guilty about it anymore. It's an esthetic. It's like every single piece you see in my house you can point to and I'll tell you a story about it. It's just like it feels good.
So look up clutter car or cause it's basically somebody has risen up against Marie Kondo.
They're just like, we will suffer under the lash this minimalism anymore. Yes.
And I touch every single thing and they're all haunted and they give me joy and fuck you about it. Yeah. Fuck you about it for sure. She seems really nice. So like not fuck you but just like back off, not fuck her back off. Well you just get to like what you like the end. And I think Maria would I think that's what Maries actually deeply all about. It's kind of like figure out what you like and then do that.
All I can think of this when so we tried to record yesterday and my wife, I went out like old school style and it was it felt like I was lying. I kept texting and using George New York like I'm not real shots of like it's not like it's saying like we don't like you right now and screenshots of it. And then you're like, I'm not lying. I'm not lying, George. I am not. But it felt like the classic live like sorry my wife Bizo anyway by total.
But as I texted Stephen of like, holy shit, I can't get this, I can't do that. Whatever Stephen texted back and Marie Kondo gif and it's her going, I love Mess. And it made me laugh so hard again.
Stephen is the king of the guests. So good. I like a mess.
I was going to say, do you see my. Yes, literally stacks of dinosaur toys even is hashtag let our guard down to the dinosaur.
Now, if you are less interested in clutter or you're still looking, you're neither minimalist nor maximalist. And you're not sure. My friend Dave Messmer, who you've I'm sure you've told many, many stories about. And he was my roommate in college and in L.A. He the one that Lip-Sync Groove is in the heart. That time we were really scared and he wouldn't stop and think I love you a lot. Actually, this is one of the funniest people of all time.
Thank you. And. He told me about this Danish concept called higer.
How are you guess is the way he pronounced it, but I don't I don't think that's accurate, but it's essentially the Danish way of living, which is about being cozy.
And there's so I'm thinking in media this really thick cable nets like obscenely large net cable net blankets. Yes. And that's one of the things they were like wrap a blanket around you, you get you a drink soup or drink a big cup of tea sipping xox. That's what it's all about. And there's a book I haven't read it, but is the first thing that came up. And that's what every when I looked it up, when he and I were talking about it's called The Little Book of Anice Secrets to Happy Living is why g e OK, h.
And the author is Mike M e Ike Waking W Ike Gyeonggi.
Oh, you're saying that last name was Mike. Mike, Mike. I don't get Mike and it's might be a woman we don't know.
OK, but that's I love that idea because remember when we were in we were somewhere I think we were in Amsterdam and we stayed in the in that hotel where I was like, I want this as an apartment. Oh yeah. It was just like everything was just perfectly definitely tirelli color. Everything about it was almost mediteranean how like. Yeah. Perfect it was. Yeah. The tiles, the colors, the everything about it was so perfect. And I feel like it's that vibe.
It's that. But I'm under the hashtag for sure. I there is, I do.
When we bought our house it had a wood burning fireplace which I know is like whenever you look at the houses online, it's like wood burning fire, like original wood burning fireplace. We immediately turned it into a gas fireplace because I was just like, I just want to turn it on when I want to turn it on. Like to me, that's the like height of luxury, the height of luxury. So I know that, like, it kind of probably dinged our house a little bit like on the market, but who gives a shit?
It was it was fucking more like now we just light fires all the time. Well yeah. And also in L.A. just don't light fires because you'll burn everything down. It's so violent.
So leave me alone. You have you hashtag fireplace purist's. Let me say this. OK, let's talk about another positive, something that's happening on social media that's very positive. Our friend Kyle Russell, who is doing the lip syncs of us and he's just keeps churning them out and each one funnier than this. There was one I just watched it and I said this before. Kyle, thank you for making me like and appreciate my own thing, because that's the part of this that is difficult is sometimes I just go like I don't want to hear my own voice anymore.
I don't think about it anymore. It's a difficult thing. And it's like I watch that and it makes me love us.
And there was one more year he's doing you talking over here. And as I'm answering you, he's putting on lip gloss black.
He was like the whole saga and then he just did the one where we're talking about baby Dorna.
And he does it with a person named Courtney who's at court, underscore Agnew. It's so funny. It's like, yeah, it's that tick tock thing that it makes me feel like I'm 80 years old.
I'm like, do what children do at me, which is the rat concept.
Very cute. You guys.
What's his name?
Dave Hill. Do you know Dave Healy filled with him? So yeah, that reminds me of the duet me thing, which is like a thing on tick tock where like one person will either, like, do an acting thing and you can act against them on your own and record it or like play music. So Dave Hill, who's fucking hilarious comedian who also happens to be like shred on guitar in a way that doesn't make sense and isn't fair. He's amazing.
He did a duet me with Ed Sheeran. It's on his Instagram and ticktock where Ed Sheeran is like Duet Me and Starts will strengthen his little guitar. And then Dave Hill comes in and fucking turns it into a metal song. That's the like just like like like nail where can finger work. I've never seen in my life. It was so badass. He's the best. Yeah. He's genuinely a hilarious way. He's so funny. Look, if you want to watch another, you know our obsession with what's the speed washing called OPOWER.
Watch how we're watching. So I follow this woman now on Instagram who found her calling.
It's really interesting. Her name is Lady Foster Homes. She found her calling in.
No, it's not power washing because she uses all natural ingredients and. And like, really gives care and love into cleaning old vintage headstones.
Oh, yes, like her.
And she does, you know, like she'll do slaves who died hundreds of years ago and, like, tell their story and just, like, really caretake these old, you know, moss covered, dirt covered stones that you can barely read and then cleans them. And I didn't realize that it was like a thing that called to her that she had to do after her divorce. And so there's this podcast called Divorce Club Podcast, where they just talk to people who who went through divorces and what, you know, how they came out on the other side.
That's really awesome as well. So I recommend that as well. OK, a really beautiful thing of like. Yeah, I was watching. I saw one of those because it got I somehow saw it on Twitter. And it is incredibly satisfying because it's like a cleaning video, like a power washing video. But then the thing underneath is like historical, a beautiful mini monument to a person that may not have been even seen because there was all that stuff covering it.
And you, you know, yeah, I love that project. It's like a nice little really cool. Yeah, it's really nice. Totally. You know, what I was going to mention is since we're just going to do I mean, what else can we do? We can't.
This is all we can do and really what is like. But suggestions. Series of suggestions herself. Another of your friends. What do you do if you hang out with friends, you suggest things to them. That's right. This if you liked the book attached, which I recommended about a month ago, which I loved and it felt like I blazed it so quickly, another there's another book that actually goes a little bit deeper and breaks it down a little bit more because the and it's it's kind of full circle because I, I know I'm going to say her last name wrong again.
Karlo and Theal or Theil, who hosts Fuck Your Brain, which is the other podcast I recommended. I listen to an episode she did where she talked about she kind of believes in attachment theory but believes there's more to it and then recommended this book. OK, and this is a book called Insecure in Love by Leslie Bekker Phelps.
I own that because a friend went to couples therapy and they and she immediately her therapist was like, yeah, I'll need to read this. Yes. Insecure and love. Yes. It's fascinating.
And it is the detail work. You know what it is? Everybody wants some kind of a like how the fuck do you do this? Like, how do you maintain a relationship with a person? How do you actually passed past the initial what everyone likes, where you're like, you're attractive, you talk the way I like this is for the same little milestones.
And then it's like, really, I totally get that. And when you get when you get past that, it's like then when the problems come up, it's like, fuck it. Or whatever your approach is, these it's like actually helpful information about why people do the things they do. So if you need that or you liked the other book, Insecure in Love by Leslie Becker, I think a good thing to remember, too, is that like nobody has that easy.
You look around at other couples and you're like, how are they? They're such a perfect couple. They're so good at it. And that's like just an impossible. It's impossible. Every couple has things. Some couples are really lucky that they found someone whose attachment style exactly mirrors them. But it's not it's never easy. So everyone's right. If you're thinking that about anybody, it's because you're it. You're on Instagram and you're also probably slightly high because everyone is different levels of miserable.
Just admit it.
Sorry, I hope they're just going to say based on love. That was in a book, I'll probably listen. Let's see. Library, look, listen. I'm listening to a podcast called Through the Cracks, which I highly recommend, which is a true crime podcast. That's a really important story. Through the cracks, through the cracks. It's really powerful and really well done.
What network is it on its own WFMU? Cool. What else did they do? I need a new one. Yeah, this one's important and powerful and it's great.
Oh, it was Nina Simone's birthday last weekend. Music Great singer and activist and amazing like a prodigy piano player. And a bunch of people were posting different tweets about her and it reminded me of the great. So Liz Garbus, who directed All Be Gone in the Dark, she directed a documentary about Nina Simone like I think five or more years ago. And it's called What Happened, Miss Simmen and. If you like Nina Simone or you're interested in both amazing music and kind of like civil rights action, she is just this incredible badass that I feel like should I wish she was known more.
So if you haven't seen that documentary by Liz Garbus, you absolutely should say the name of it again. So good. What happened, Miss Simone? It's about her whole life.
It's just really mind blowing. Amazing. Yeah. What do you think should we do? Exactly right. All right. Well, lots of great stuff. So much great stuff happening on exactly right this week that we're just going to do a quick rundown of everything. So on this podcast, I'll kill you. They're talking about human papilloma viruses, HPV, very important need to know about that. That's right.
And the murder squad was included in the Newsweek top twenty five True Crime podcast of twenty twenty one, which is really exciting, along with Ten More Wicked and my favorite murder. And Monday's episode, they have Melissa McCarthy and Kelly McAleer from the Killer Jeans podcast.
Then on Lady to lady, they have Annaleigh Ashford from Masters of Sex and Kinky Boots on Broadway and then on that's messed up. Their special guest is comedian Margaret Cho.
Yepp, friend of the friend of the network, friend of America and comedian Jay Jordan is on. I said no gifts with Bajur this week. He's hilarious. And I saw what you did. Million Danyell discuss. I'm going to get you sucka. And don't be a menace for a Wayans family double feature, so make sure to check that out. And then also we're going we're having new podcasts rolling out all the time. So keep informed by my following at.
Exactly right. On Instagram, Facebook and Twitter. We love bringing you guys podcast. That's like kind of our dream come true. So it really isn't where we have lots of stuff coming down the pike these days. So it's very exciting. Also, we have new merch, those flasks and quizzes that people really love and need these days.
Yeah, there's a fucking hurray. And this is terrible. Keep going because you need a flask. I think everyone needs a blast that said that.
So go to my favorite murder, Dotcom. The shop is on there. And I mean, there's such there's so much bullshit shout out to the merch team. They really they really churn out the hits and we appreciate it so much. We really do. And it's getting less terrible. Let's be let's be that way about it. And this is going to be that way about it. Let's be that way about it from now on, like.
All right, speaking of sanity, we're putting up a quilt episode today, I love doing this because I look at the list of like live show episodes and stories we've done. And it's such a pity that these don't get to be told because they're in a random light episode. So now they do. And we did.
Yeah, there's no pity we're taken back the night and read so much fucking work on that. Plus the not only the work we did of the the work and the performance, but then the work we got instead of showing up. I mean being so good to us the entire time after time after time I shot up slowly lopper. Yeah. Sloan at Petco. I want to give her a shout out for recognizing Kookie even though I was covered up in my face mask and shabby chic clothes that are just shabby.
And I turn a corner and she goes Kookie. And it was the first time I had run into a murder. Raino in like over a year. At that point I was so happy to see her. She was so sweet. So thank Sloan. It reminded me of live shows and I was like, I want to hug you, but I can't come near you.
All right. So this is from the Vic Theater in Chicago, beautiful Chicago. So this is the Browns chicken massacre, which was a mass murder that occurred on January 8th, 1993, in Palantine, Illinois. And I just it's just a horrible one of those stories that are like, you know, who had the fucking gall to do this? And the way that the killers are caught is just a miraculous thing.
So this story, I'm so glad I get to post it and tell it, because I just it's it's an incredible, awful, heroic story.
Listen, yeah, we're going to do the Browns chicken massacre.
So we've gotten a lot of tweets and emails about why won't you fucking do this? Yeah, well, they're about to find out because it's horrible. OK, that's what we're here for.
On January 8th, 1993, seven people were closing Brown's chicken and pasta in Palatine, a northwest suburb of Chicago, Illinois.
Palatine every time a team did someone say that it's Palatine sorry. Who, by the way, like their nineteen eighty six commercial is Steve Carell.
What, like like hosting?
It was like the owner of this Brown Sugar Corral. Was he so good and funny? He was so cute. He looks exactly the same. Yeah, that guy's kind of scary actually. He's a vampire. He's insanely talented. He doesn't age. Yeah. You heard it here first. Never. Never. Not funny. Yeah.
Vampire. We hate him spreading rumors at this.
OK, so Chicago will destroy the store owners were Richard and Lynn Ellen Felt who had spent their life savings to buy this franchise. The two daughter, their two daughters were scheduled to be at the restaurant that night working, but instead, Guadalupe Maldonado, Michael C. Castro and Rico Solis. The latter two are Palatine High School students who were working there part time.
One was a high school senior who just moved from the Philippines to escape the violence and his Filipino American friend, a high school junior who wanted to be a Marine mom, as well as Thomas Mendez and Marcus Nielsen Nelson, who are working the closing shift.
So inside, the friars have been shut off. The floors are mops. Everything's being closed down for the night and the employees are finishing up. And as they're closing a for tempo pulls up carrying two men. And the Allan Fels had a policy that they allowed last minute customers to order. They were nice fucking people. Yeah, that's. Oh, I know. That's the nicest people when you go up and you're like, oh, please, please, please.
I just. Can you show me the water, electric water I put out for you? I should have known, wasn't it SharkWater Gerrans. It's like I want to get track water. She's such a practical joker.
Oh, so that's one of them orders a fucking for peace chicken meal and they go to sit down and eat it.
What the fuck. And for people who does that like first of all, what's that shoe. Many pieces. What's the problem. It's just either closing the store.
I don't go into like a clothing store a half hour before they closed because, you know, every every single hanger has been like, you know, meticulously. And then you're just like, I wanna show you for tomorrow.
You're fucking asshole. I know. But once you're in that door and they actually let you in, then you're just like, OK, I'm going to coleslaw beans. No, that's not a dick move. So, OK, so they they sit down to eat their fucking food. It's like at least. Yeah, that that is super lame. But they're not there for chicken. OK, it's the final day sale. It's rung up at nine eight pm and as eight minutes past closing and as they eat in a booth, everyone continues their last minute closing rituals.
By 11:00 p.m. that night, the families of the workers are starting to worry that their sons haven't come home. And after driving by, Brownes, which is dark inside of the Castros car, is still in the parking lot. It's about eleven, forty five and police say.
But he calls the police at eleven forty five. The police say that log in the log.
It says it's called at 1:00 or 2:00 a.m. So there's a discrepancy there after many attempts by the families of all these boys to get the police to take their worries seriously because they're like they went and had sandwiches and booze and they're like they don't drink.
Wrong. I'm guessing that part. Yeah.
Including going to the police station to file a missing persons report.
Castro's father returns to Brownes a third time, along with Guadalupe Maldonado's brother, who was also worried after Guadalupe hadn't come home to tuck his sons in, as was his ritual, and they also had a police officer with them.
It's just after 3:00 a.m. and they finally try the green employee entrance door, which is open unexpectedly. And inside they spot the jacket hanging just inside. And that's when Guadalupe brother spots an arm poking out of the Walk-In freezer door. It's propped open. There's blood on the tile floor. And the officer sees it, gets the man out of there saying this is a crime scene when all is said and done, seven people were dead. The assailants stole less than two thousand dollars from the restaurant.
The case remain unsolved for nearly nine years.
Oh, let's get the photo of the restaurant. We have like two photos. So that's it.
And then there's another one up. There we go. Yeah, that's it. OK, Bleckmann.
So the case and then let's say what year was it. Nineteen ninety three. Oh recently. Yeah.
The case for me recently is that that wasn't a slam. I was sorry. What a shady truck is. I would you thought I was saying I was. I think I said it was recently and because we're both like that was ten years ago. Oh I got it. You know what I mean. It's not like sorry. What year is it back. I am stone cold sober, I swear to God, I swear to you, I will vouch for you.
It's true. I'm the fucked up one peyote. She's back on TV also do peyote. Bayati, that be amazing to do peyote before a show? I don't know. I'm just going to see what it opens up. Yeah. Look, a coyote like you could have just had a glass of champagne. No, I won't drink on stage. I want to do a peyote. It's natural. Everyone's like the four boyfriends are like they're in the middle of a really fucking depressing story.
Yeah. What the fuck is wrong with them? Inappropriate is one of them. Dan, Kevin and Kevin and Dave, we apologize. You're right. You're right. It's inappropriate. Your feelings get so hurt all the time saying your girlfriend is not at fault. She usually listens on our way to work. What what about the other night?
We're at a meet and greet. The girl leaned over to George and goes, I'm not a teacher.
And I was like, this is the last one. Good bye to him. That's cute.
I like when you get excited to tell me something you do nails. Yeah, I have to do nails. I'm sorry. No, I like it. It's intense. I'm used to not being listened to as a younger guy. So like in my family, if you're like mom, dad or whatever it was as if nothing was happening, you have to be like, I will draw blood from you.
Another thing I would have noticed about myself until right now, but a great experience and journey that we're on together go back into the mass murder.
OK, the case remain unsolved for nearly nine years until 2002, when and Lockett came forward and implicated her former boyfriend, James de Goreski and his friend, one Luna.
It's lead four thousand eight hundred and forty two in the murder investigation.
The crazy Jesus Christ. Yeah.
And how long after. How many years after nine.
OK, that's such a long time to wait.
It is lockets. Has she told? She was told about the massacre over a pot smoking session. Guys, that would freak me out so. But my God, can you imagine. I'm like I'm trying to play Mario Kart. What are you doing. Yeah. What do you fucking.
I mean, I think of a lot of us, they're like, yeah, no murder shit during pod that does those two things don't go together. I can't even watch planet Earth without freaking. Right. There's a lot of true crime in planet Earth, though, I swear to God.
A lot of that she said that they said that they wanted to do something big. One Luna was a former employee of the restaurant, so he would have known that they serve people, you know what I mean? And he had left on good terms for a new job a couple of months earlier. So they he was questioned but wasn't suspected. But according to an Lockette, he knew there would be money in the store and he was 18 at the time of the murders.
He was now nine years later, married with a young son. The details of the murder came out.
And here are the details.
Lynn Heldon felt to was 49, the owner. She was the first victim when her throat was slashed.
And they're all so two of them are in a freezer like walk in freezer at the time, getting everything together to close. And then the murderers put that four of them in another Walk-In freezer and throw Lin after her fucking throat is slashed into that freezer. Can you fucking imagine being like, we're getting robbed?
And then you're like, oh, no, this is bigger than that.
Yeah. And you have a panic attack. What the fuck? So then Marcus Castro, who is the youngest victim at 16, was shot six times and then and and Guadalupe Maldonado's 46. Enrico Salas, who's 17, had bullet wounds in the back of their heads. And Thomas Martinez, who's thirty two, is shot twice in the upper back and once in the temple. And then Richard Allen felt 50, was shot five times.
So in April 22, the Palantine Police Department matched the DNA sample. Are you ready for this? Yeah. So she says it's Juan Luna. The DNA sample from are you ready?
What the fuck? Can I demand that there be a towel on the table at all times so I can shake it? A punctuation towel. This is awful. They find the DNA from the the eaten chicken that was thrown in the garbage cow shed night after murder.
Yes. Stupid fucks, especially because and I was like, did they test all the chicken bones? They had already taken the trash out because they were closing. Oh, my God. And so they threw their chicken in there.
They took the DNA.
I'm sorry, but those cops were like, thank fucking God. Yeah. They're like, it's 93. I don't know what this is for. I'm going to take it anyways. Chicken bone. Yeah. Chicken bone. No, not that one. Some skin. Yeah.
Oh, you mean one of the monster then. Yeah. It's not like up. Yes. The chicken was OK and the chicken was supposedly kept in the freezer for most of the time since the crime. The Palantine Police Department took the two suspects into custody on May 16th, 2002, and Lunna confesses to the crime during the interrogation, although a lawyer would later claim that he was coerced to do so through corporal punishment and threats of deportation.
Then they both go to trial. So Lunas been on trial in 2007. He's found guilty of seven counts of murder and he's sentenced to life in prison without parole in May on May 17th, 2007. The stated sort. No, it's shitty. But just when you thought, yeah, this isn't the end, there's Chuma. OK, but a lot of that was her poetry. And now that she has you hear. Uh, just quiet lyrics, listen to the words.
It's actually a really beautiful. OK, the state it's not the death penalty which was available at the time, but the jury voted 11 to one in favor. They fell short eleven to one.
So one person was like, no, can't do it then.
So James Goreski, the other guy, was found guilty September 2009 on all seven counts of murder. But it's largely based on the testimony of an Lockett because there's no physical evidence as well as a friend of hers. And they both said that he had confessed to them. And then October 20th, 2009, he sentenced to life in prison without parole. Again, a couple of the jurors voted and out of the death penalty.
OK, so now it gets fucking fucked up. So it turns out that there's a petition in the circuit court that that Lockett and Lockett misled jurors into believing that she had a much closer relationship with the Goreski at the time of the crime than she actually did.
They say that she was sorry, is there a live sheep in here?
Because that's not cool at all. Now, I don't know. Was that Oprah Gote? That was the weirdest fucking sound. The creepy haunted, I'm telling you this.
Let's not make noises like that, guys, so I don't know how much of this I believe and it's really complicated, but supposedly people say she wasn't dating him at the time, people meeting their lawyers, I'm sure, and that she was actually involved with a man she had met while both were hospitalized for psychiatric issues. And so basically all the dirt coming up.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So then let's see. He says that man in a sworn statement says that he she had never mentioned to Goreski or is involved in the murders. And instead he says that she had called him a few months after their own breakup, asking if he knew anything about the murders. He said she told me that whoever came forward with information would be entitled to a reward money and that if I heard who it might have been, the murders, I should contact her.
And then. Yeah, and it turns out that soon after that conversation, he was inexplicably, inexplicably questioned three separate times about his involvement with the woman at sea.
So the Cook County jury was also never told that Lockett would split nearly a hundred thousand dollar reward money with her friend, the head also.
Oh, yeah. So the that's a lot of pot.
Byfuglien like six bags of pot with me. OK, and then really quickly, I want to add this little part of a hometown murder that we got from Sam from Chicago said, my God, there's more than one problem. They would not get their answer, OK?
My friends neighbor called in a tip incriminating her then boyfriend, Juan Luna, who worked at the church's back in high school. The police arrested him and his accomplice, but they say at the time they were at the crosstown basketball game. So when they got questioned back in high school, they said that there were a basketball game. And then her friend, Sam's friend, said that he was trying to get interviewed by the cops to let them know that he wasn't with both Luna and the other guy.
He was just with Luna. So she's saying that he has an alibi and then, OK, almost in March 2014.
OK, here's fucked up. In March 2014, a jury awarded Gaim to GORESKI four thousand four hundred thousand fifty one dollars in compensation and punitive damages for having been beaten by a sheriff's department in Cook County jail in May. Twenty, twenty. Twenty, twenty two.
Mm hmm. We can do this. It didn't happen in the future. I am not saying it was a future sheriff beating a lot of metal.
So he got that much money when he was questioned by police, he got beaten and gave his confession. Then he suffered facial fractures that required surgery and the deputy was eventually dismissed. That's a little bit extreme.
And I guess the Palatine Police Department have obtained confessions to the slangs from at least five others who were never charged.
So it's possible that they had a like, you know, pattern pattern anywhere else.
The bleed, the building.
Wow, something's happening. How long does it take for peyote to kick in?
I mean, you're all I think you're right on time. Go. The building was raised, the church's chicken church's. And I swear. Did we start the gas too early? I mean, there are podcasts to podcasters who are night after night and they handle their shit just fine.
I've never, never been to church in Jersey.
I don't think it was that cheap. And fuck to you and to your animal familiar. Coming to tell you to go to church is chicken.
The building was torn down in April 2002 after having briefly been a dry cleaning establishment and then a deli and then standing vacant for many years. So another place you don't want to walk by on your way to the grocery store like Holmes murder castle for.
Can you imagine working at that dry cleaner or the Chase branch that was that is now there, that evil fucking place in the location? I can't figure out why you have such bad vibes. You're like, was it the murderers that just you fucking guys? Yeah. Yeah. Big banks or murder. I mean, you should dig up the ground in there, too, just while we're at it. Yeah, right. So that was the Browns chicken massacre I.
Yes, I agree to do this again with you sometime. Nice and thank you, Chicago. We miss you, we haven't been there in so long. Our Chicago Martino's have been there since early days. Please know that that we wish we could come back soon. We are hoping to come back very, very soon. What do you got for us, Karen Kilgariff?
Well, mine is from May 5th of twenty nineteen.
It was this last time we were on the road to remember our Dallas Irving, Texas show in that huge play, that huge theater. We had the we had the best series of shows. I had cowboy boots and I accidentally flashed the audience my underpants. Yeah. I said, George, are you wearing a circle? Is your dress have a circle skirt you. And it sure does. And spun and I did the best like childhood twirl. Yeah.
But she we were about eight feet above the front row and you just heard this.
Oh my God. Did I agree with you that at that end.
Yeah, yeah. I can find it. Yeah. OK, the top of the show. Yeah. That was that bottom. So hilarious so that you'll, you'll get that experience I guess. Spoiler alert. Yeah.
But do you remember on our first tour ever I had to borrow tights from you then and I still have them in my drawer. Hot pink tights. Oh my God. I'm twenty sixteen. That's right.
We go back three fucking years. Thank you. Thank you so much. You've laughed. We've grown. We love.
I've taken two full pairs of Georgia's tapes and that's how you know something else. You know something. You're OK. Oh this is. Yeah. Baudier partner and I just showed where. Did you really? And it was on the big screen. No, I was wearing tights the last two nights I did that and no one saw my ass. Can we roll that tape back on the big screen from. So this was an exciting show for us, not only for being there from being on the road, but also because our great hero, journalist Skip Hollandsworth, was in the audience that night and or he was in the audience the night before.
Right. And then I did his story or it was the night before. And then he was in the next night, whatever he was around. We got to meet him on that weekend. Yes. Yes. But it was a real honor because oftentimes we would do shows in Texas for all the years that we've done live shows in Texas, we pull stories from the amazing magazine Texas Monthly.
There, journalists write these incredible, you know, like immersive deep dove stories about these different crimes that happened in Texas. And they've got some amazing ones. That's right. So this one is definitely one of my favorites. It's by the legendary journalist Skip Hollandsworth. It's this the story of the legendary bankrobber Cowboy Bob.
So last night, if you were lucky enough to be here, we know.
I just mean it like we were so excited because the true crime or I guess just general journalists, Skip Hollandsworth was a secret special guest and he came out and chatted with everybody.
And my story tonight is entirely taken from an amazing article that he wrote for the legendary magazine, Texas Monthly.
It's so good, such a good fucking magazine to ever do the thing where you read one article on their website and then at the bottom, they're like, you might also like this. And then you're like, goodbye the rest of the day. It's my favorite. I love it. It's so good. So this I got it's a 2005 article by Skip Hollandsworth that was in the Texas Monthly about the legend of Bankrobber Cowboy Bob.
I love this so much. I'm excited for this. OK, let me also say what a lovely human being Schipp was. He came backstage afterwards with his kid and like her friends, and he was just so now he's the best. Yeah, he has a really cool family. Doesn't hate us, OK? I'm like, OK.
So one morning in May of 1991, a bearded man with a cowboy hat enters the American Federal Bank just off West Airport Freeway in Irving, Texas.
It's seriously. Yeah, I had a whole other one prepared and then I started reading this article and I was like, weps. I have to switch mine now. When when it's his turn in line, he approaches the counter. He's greeted by the female teller and without saying a word, he hands or a note. And that note says, this is a bank robbery. Give me your money. No marked bills or dye packs.
So the hand the teller handsome, the cash, he calmly puts it into his bag and then without looking around or blowing anything out of the ordinary is happening. He turns and very casually walks out of the bank.
No one notices, no one.
But the teller knows that it's happening because he has none of the normal indicators of bank robbers, which is obviously you'd kind of check over your shoulder maybe, or at least look out of the corner.
I think about there's none of that. Stick him up now. So it's total silence. The entire thing happens in silence.
And then when he goes out to the parking lot, he so so he leaves the police arrive almost immediately. And when they review the security camera footage, they see a thin man with a full beard, cowboy hat wearing sunglasses and gloves, and he keeps his head down, tip down perfectly enough so the entire time. So his face is obscured. They can't get any, like, defining features from his face. And of course, he doesn't fidget.
So they they immediately are like, oh, this guy is a professional. He's done this before. There's no fidgeting, there's no nervousness at all. And when he goes out to his brown 1975 Pontiac Grand Prix in the parking lot, he drives away normally like anyone else would.
So there's no they say that normally bank robbers will peel out or drive away fast and and then drive through a red light and just try to get away as fast as they can. And that's what makes eyewitnesses notice and then. Right. Your license plate number down. So, of course, none of that happened. You just drove away. So there were no eyewitnesses. So not only are the police stuck with no leads, but they realize that this is someone who knows exactly what they're doing.
And so here is a clip of that footage from that robbery.
Oh, man, this is big old hat.
OK, so seven months later, in December of 1991, the same mysterious man. It's another bank in Irving. This time it's savings of America. Love it. No, no one. No one's there. Do they have really bad rates or something?
There again, the bearded sunglass, cowboy hatted man passes a note to the teller. This time he makes off with one thousand two hundred and fifty eight dollars. But a witness sees him drive out of the parking lot and does write down the license plate number. Nosy, right? Why? I know.
Butt out. Why did they write it down like item? They it must have been someone from inside the bank that like, ran forward is my personal theory. That's it. But we don't know Skip and I don't know. So the police get the license, they trace it immediately to a house that's actually right close to the bank. So they speed over there. When they get there, they find an old lady sitting in her living room who says, I haven't left the house all day and, ah, I haven't left the house all day.
Get out is probably more like it. Right.
So once they go outside, they see that the old lady's red Chevrolet is missing its license. One license plate.
I wanted the old lady to be the bank robber, so just I was here for that.
So a month later, in January of 1992, the robber strikes again and this time it's at Texas Heritage Bank in Garland.
He uses the exact same M.O. This time he leaves with three thousand dollars.
He strikes a fourth time in May of 1992 at the nation's bank in Mesquite.
They're all over there. This time. The teller puts the cash together. But as the teller tries to put the cash together, he tries to sneak a peek into the wad of cash. Don't be a hero.
The robber clocks it and takes it out and hands it back to the teller and walks away.
That's so much more creepy than if he'd, like, punched him in the face or whatever, you know, just like you can go ahead and keep that.
Yeah. Your chain, sorry. So this time he makes off with five thousand three hundred and seventeen dollars. So the FBI agent assigned to this case is a man named Steve Powell, and he's going crazy because he's like, shit, we can't get this guy and he can't figure out who this, as I wrote, smooth assed bank robber is.
So until they can identify him, he decides to give the bank robber the nickname Cowboy Bob. So four months after that lasted in September of 1992, Cowboy Bob robs the first Gibralter bank in Mesquite taking seventeen hundred dollars and the police get the license plate number and track the car and with SBA with FBI agents following closely behind them. But once again, they track the plates to a nearby resident who then realizes his own plates have been stolen. So it's the exact same thing.
So as they're investigating that robbery, they police get a call from Mosquitoes First Interstate Bank a mile away saying Cowboy Bob has just come through and stolen a whopping thirteen thousand seven hundred and six dollars.
He's like, finally, I got a fucking pay real. He keeps on getting these tellers who had just dropped everything down the little a little forever tube.
And so he's like, oh, I got a lazy one that didn't cash out. And that was his biggest hit yet.
So according to the teller, Cowboy Bob was so pleased with the amount of money that he got on this one that he tipped his hat to her as he walked away.
Did? Yeah, because he's a classy motherfucker. Yeah.
So in just a year and a half, Cowboy Bob has stolen a total of twenty, about twenty six thousand dollars from six different banks around the Dallas area, the larger area. So the FBI wonder if they're dealing with a criminal mastermind and if they'll ever be able to catch him or if it's just someone too lazy.
He doesn't want to get a job because it's not that much. But yeah, it's like what you'd make in a year, dude. Right.
So witness so so on this on that last hit, a witness has taken again, taken down the license plate number.
So this time police trace it to a man named Pete Tallas who works at a Ford Auto Parts factory in Carrollton.
So you said Miski already cheered for can't cheer for two different places, but they're both of those cities are amazing in different ways.
OK, so when they go talk to Pete, he says, yes, that is I own a Brown 1975 Pontiac Grand Prix. Yes. But I gave it to my mom and my sister because they didn't have enough money to get a car of their own. And when they told Pete that the Grand Prix has just been used in a bank robbery, Pete says, bullshit, that car can't go fast enough.
OK, so he's right. I mean, he's right.
So the police get Pete's mom and sister's address and they head over to the apartment complex where they live and in the parking lot when they pull in, they spot Cowboy Bob's car, the Brown Grandpre. And so they huddle up and they start discussing what they should do.
It's like this is obviously where he's holed up and now we have to make our plan.
And they're talking about should we just bust down the door you like in and catch him because we could catch him with the money or do we slow play it?
They're trying to figure it out and they see a woman walk out of the apartment and up toward the car and she's wearing shorts and a t shirt and they're like, oh, I bet you that's Cowboy Bob's girlfriend. So they they decide she gets in the car and drives away.
So they let her drive off and they decide what they're going to do is Agent Powell is going to stop her around the corner so Cowboy Bob can't see them talking from the apartment. So they wait until she's like a little further away and they pull the car over and inside. That's where they meet Peggy Joe Tallas. So she politely introduces herself. She explains, yes, the car's hers. She got it from her brother. And that he they ask her, have you used it at any time today?
And she goes, Yeah, I just got a I went out and picked up some fertilizer earlier this morning.
And so Agent Powell and his team searched the trunk. They do find a bag of fertilizer in the trunk. And then he asks if they can search her apartment. And she says, yeah, I mean, there's nothing in there. But my mom who's like an old kind of sick lady, but they're like, that's fine.
Let's check it out.
So at the apartment, the officers ring the doorbell and Peggy's Peggy Joe's mom, Helen, answers the door and then is shocked as a team of FBI agents and police officers, Storm passed her with the guns drawn and go into the apartment.
But once they get there, they just see that it's just really neat, tidy apartment that the two ladies live in together and there is nothing, no cowboy Bob, no piles of money, nothing.
So they kind of they're looking around.
They go into Peggy Joe's bedroom. They think maybe they're hiding, like if it is her boyfriend that she's hiding him somewhere in the closet or whatever. But no, they just see that her bed is nicely made and they open the closet and all her clothes are very perfectly ironed and hung up. And it's like, oh, yeah, we really got this wrong.
And then an officer notices a Styrofoam mannequin head up on the shelf in the closet with a fake beard pinned to it.
Huh. OK, and then next to that, a cowboy hat guy.
And then they check under Peggy Joe's bed and it's there's a bag full of cash under there.
So it's OK that I'm mad at them for not hiding that shit better. Yes.
Like pull up some floorboards and shove your shit under there, move along anything.
So basically then Officer Powell turns to Peggy Jo and starts asking her, sorry, what is this stuff and why do you have it in your room? And as she's as he's talking to her, he notice he notices that she's got a little bit of fake beard glue on top of her. And it turns out Cowboy Bob is Peggy. Joe, Tallat. Yeah, yeah. Y yeah, yes. Twist and he's like her. She fucking she's the one that's been beating me this whole time.
All the lip glue part is like too good to be true isn't it. The best where he's kind of like. So anyway what's why do you have to hold on a second.
Oh my God. I want to see it all line up for him and like a movie.
So let's take it on the fuck. Oh, there she is. OK, the little girl or the. Yeah that's her.
She's eight years old and she loves money. Yeah. That's Peggy. Joe out there.
Peggy, that's her niece I believe. I mean, don't do crimes but if you're going to do it, be cool.
So he Agent Powell arrests Peggy Jo. They bring her down to the station. So they're stunned to find that this polite, very pretty, seemingly very standardly normal woman has been the man robbing banks and stymying the cops and the FBI for a year and a half. When they asked Peggy Jo why she did it, she doesn't say anything.
And she also doesn't really talk to her defense attorney. All she'll say is that she robbed the first bank to help pay for her sick mother's medication for the degenerative bone disease that she has and that but then when they ask her why she kept on doing it, she just stares at the wall and shrugs like she stares away. Oh, honey.
So in court, the judge takes into consideration that Peggy Jo was never violent in any of these crimes and she never used a weapon.
She never brandished a weapon, never threatened anybody, and seemed you can rob a bank by just being like, I want things.
Yes. Yes. I feel like we shouldn't be telling everyone. I mean, because if you don't know by now, come on. Yeah. And they have to give it to you.
You're going to get caught because they have everything but but you can. She never used a weapon. And other than that, she seemed to be a mild mannered, law abiding citizen. So she's given a three month sentence now. And the first anyone that's never had a child, that's two and a half years in jail, I think.
All right. Yeah. Oh, he's he's fifty four months old. Really. I don't you do the fucking math for me. I came over here to visit. You clearly have a very specific idea in mind.
Peggy Jo serves her time without complaint. She doesn't hurt when her friends go to visit her in jail. She won't talk about having done it. She just is like, how are you? What's going on with you? And kind of is just like not talking about it. And then when she's released, she all she says about it is she assures her family and friends that she won't ever do anything like that again. I pinky swear, I won't rob a fucking bank again.
I promise that I won't I won't commit a felony ever again in a wig, mask, cowboy hat and posing as a man.
When she gets out, she's approached by a true crime author about collaborating to write her story and possibly turn it into a movie. And she says no, because she's the fuckin coolest person of all time. My God. She said she just wants to put the whole thing behind her and she doesn't.
She's like, thinks that's lame, so. So let's talk a little bit about who Peggy Jo Telesis. She was born in 1945 and she grows up the youngest of three children in Grand Prairie.
She's she's a well-liked, spirited, free spirited child. But when she's four years old, her father dies from cancer. So that's when her mother gets a job as a nurse's aide to support the family. So I skipped this picture, but this is her as a kid.
So after the 10th grade and we go through that.
So after the 10th grade, though, she drops out of school explaining to her mom that there's too much else to do in life, then waste her days sitting in school. Yes, girl.
Yes, fucking wow.
When I was like I remember in sixth grade, my desk was by the window and all I would do is stare out the window and go, What are they all doing out there? I was obsessed with what their town did while we were in school. Like all the adults are free to do whatever the fuck they want with no kids around.
Do you ever still get that feeling when you're an adult out in the world like a Tuesday afternoon and you're just like, I could do whatever I know school.
I don't go to school, so I'm thirty eight. I get I do get that everyone's while here gratitude. They'll never have to do algebra again.
OK, so, so she tells her friends and everyone knows this about her. She's clearly a free spirit and she is all about adventure. So she actually decides because it's like the early 70s she decides to up and drive out to San Francisco to see, quote, to see what's going on out there.
Oh, it's just a cultural revolution, Peggy. Joe, no big deal. So she gets out there and when she comes back, like a month or two later, I think it was, she's got books by Lawrence Ferlinghetti.
She's like into the Beat Poets.
And she's like she's just all all about that kind of doing whatever you want, living your life. So in her 20s, she gets her own apartment in North Dallas and she works as a receptionist. And at that job, she makes friends with a girl she works with named Cherry Young. And so the two spend evenings going out to bars and concerts and basically looking for more adventure.
And Peggy Jo tells Sherry she doesn't really have any career goals at all.
She doesn't really care about having a career. She's not interested in getting married. She doesn't care about having kids. All she wants to do is have adventures.
So she basically says her plan is to work just enough to pay the bills and then have a little bit left over to go out and have fun.
This is literally me until I was twenty nine years old. Hell yeah. I accidentally got like kind of cool job. It's, you know, we're kind of doing it right now. Don't tell them. Don't tell them. We basically robbed a bank. OK, but you gave us the money so nicely it seemed like you were really voluntary about it. So thank you for being a part of our of this emotional Fellaini.
OK, she was obsessed with the movie Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid.
She got a bunch of times. And if you don't know, because you're a millennial, that is a beautiful and amazing Paul Newman and Sook and Robert Redford movie about those two bandits who at the end of the movie, they go and rewrap the same train that they've already robbed and therefore draw basically get into this huge gunfight and at the very end, don't have a spoiler alert.
They jump off a cliff.
So but definitely go see it. Wait, you're thinking of Thelma and Louise.
Oh, shit. Hmm. So this is a quote from Skip's article from Cherry talking about her friend, Peggy Jo.
Quote, She told me she was saving a little so that she could someday go to Mexico, just live on a beach in a hacienda and wear bathing suits night and day. She was beautiful and she was rambunctious. And she told me and she always told me that deep down she was wild at heart.
And that was very true because one night Peggy Jo and Sherry got into a fight at a restaurant. They were like out for the night in Fort Worth and.
Right. You guys know what it's like to party in Fort Worth so much that you fight with your friend and walk away. I have to say sorry, but I ate like I ate an apple before we knew, I noticed.
I can't stop spitting. I'm spitting so much guys in the back. Trust me on this. I'm spitting.
So they get into a fight in Fort Worth at the bar restaurant in Fort Fort Worth and then they both walk away from each other really fast and cherry just kind of like walks in one direction.
And Peggy Jo walks out into the parking lot and there's a truck sitting there with the keys and ignition. She just gets into it and drives away.
Yes. Yes. That's what she like. She's my fucking hero. So when she she gets arrested for that, she actually gets the police cruiser. Can't do that. You can't take that guy's truck. He won't have it. Not in Fort Worth.
She gets arrested. She's given five months probation for that. So sometime in the mid 70s, she meets a man and he lives in a different town. And she falls she falls in love with them. And it's like he's the one. So one day she goes to meet him and she goes to see him in that town. And when she gets there, she sees his car on the street. And so she thinks, oh, yeah, here he is.
I'm going to go see and gets out of her car and walks over and she's walking toward the car. She sees a woman go get into the car herself and she walks up. It goes, what are you doing? She was well, I'm getting into my husband's car, and that's how she finds out this motherfucker was married the whole time I fucking married man. What a crock of shit.
OK, just keep that in mind. Youngsters, please. Please, I'm begging you. After that, she decides. She tells Cherrix, I'm fucking never doing that again. Like I'm never going to be heard again. And she decides she's just going to spend time with her family and take care of her mother, who had just been diagnosed with that bone disease. So that's that's this. Oh, that's her later.
Shit. Sorry. Got it.
So OK, so when Peggy Jo is in her 40s, she gets a really bad back injury and then a little bit after that she's forced to have an emergency mastectomy. So that's when she realized like after that those kind of really scary life threatening situations. She realizes that she hasn't really done as much as she's wanted to do with her life. And she always thought, I'll do it, I'll do it later. I want to have an adventure and I want to be that kind of person.
But I have to do it later. Right. And now she's in her 40s realizing that she doesn't make enough money. Her mom doesn't make enough with Social Security for them to cover these medical bills and the cost of living.
And that's when the string of bank robberies, I guess it all comes together in the perfect storm of and a fake beard.
So now we're go back to the present after she's been arrested.
So they released her from jail and they move if she moves. So basically, she just has to get out of town because the neighbors are talking about her.
And it's like that is your big ego is so big.
You those cowboy Bob, she moves her mom into a small two bedroom house in Garland to get away and she becomes a cashier at the Harbor Bay Marina at Lake Ray Hubbard.
So apparently everyone there loves her. She's the coolest person ever. She anybody that that they interviewed for this article, did they just have nothing but nice things to say about her? She's kind. She's a model employee.
She even uses her own money to help poorer customers pay for whatever they're trying to buy, bait and whatnot, you know, selling stuff you buy at the lake, the necessities she works all day and then she goes home and tends to her mother at night. And in 2002, her mother, Helen, passes away at the age of 83. So in spring of 2004, Peggy decides she's going to get that adventure that she'd been looking for. And she buys herself an RV because a guy at the marina is selling his RV for fifty nine hundred dollars.
And so she's like, that's some cash hidden away under my beard. Oh, she did.
She OK, so I don't know if that's I'm sure they seized all the money they could, but I would hope that she would stick some like in the bathroom back under a tampon box or somewhere they wouldn't look. Now everyone knows where to look in your house, just all sorts of there's no tampons, but there's tons of cash.
It's all fives.
So her plan is she's going to save up a little bit more money and little time, and then she's finally going to go and move down to Mexico and live on the beach like she's always wanted to do all her life.
And she tells a friend she wants to do it now before life runs out on her.
So she sells off her furniture, she moves out of the house and Garland starts living in that RV. So she's basically like, I'm going to get a little more money before I go. And in late summer of 2004, she hits the road. She doesn't tell anyone where she's going or if she plans on coming back, she doesn't. You know, the family, her older sister died of cancer also. So she really doesn't have much family left except for her brother, Pete.
And she just kind of is like peace. I'm doing this thing. Do you think she was mad at him for. Accidently turning her in first place with the car thing that doesn't seem to be what, Peggy just like. No, so no one really knows where she is for the next couple of months, but they say they spot her.
They spot the RV in different places around town. And she's oftentimes camping out like at lakes and in camping areas, just chilling out in the RV. She likes to have a smoke every once in a while.
So in October 2004, an older man in a dark floppy hat, baggy clothes and gloves robs the guarantee bank on the south side of the city, but gets away without a trace.
And one teller tells the FBI agent that's investigating that she was surprised that when the man spoke, he had such a high pitched voice shut your face.
She promised everyone she wouldn't do it again and she got out. Sorry, she's a free spirit. But at this point, Agent Steve Powell is retired.
He he lives on his ranch, and he's the only one that would know what that meant. And all the new younger the young guns are like, all right, cool. We're looking for a guy with a high voice. Let's do this.
So through late 2004 and early 2005, her pace, Joe's family only hears from her from time to time, from payphones around the city.
And then on Thursday, May 5th, 2005, Peggy Joe, tieless, puts on a black a big.
Oh, my God. Oh, happy Cinco de Mayo, everybody. Shit, we dropped that ball, we really did see that's do you see the noise you were making and how weird that is out of the blue to us.
That sounds like they're doing something that. So, yeah, kind of a good thing. I was like someone puked again. Well, we're just going to have to get through it. SNAP, snap, snap, snap, snap. Now, someone puked a date out of their mouth. It was amazing. Harald's I'll say that again the way I showed.
OK, and then on Thursday, May 5th, 2005, Pageau tells puts on a big black straw hat and a large pair of sunglasses.
She parks her RV in a Jack in the Box parking lot across from that same guaranty bank that she that had just been robbed the previous October. And she walks inside. She asks the teller to hand over the cash and she walks out like she's done so many times before. But this time she does not notice the dye pack that the teller puts into the cash. And as she gets outside that Dipak explodes red ink all over her and the puff of red smoke goes up into the air.
It's like an arrow pointing at you will to see Curser.
So she basically tries to like speed walk with me red with red smoke coming out from behind her dollar bill trailing my money. Oh, my God, what a bummer.
That's trailing behind her. So now witnesses see a person walking out of a bank with red dye all over the place and they're like, doo doo doo doo doo.
Everybody calls the cops.
The cops are already in the neighborhood because they have been investigating the bank robberies that have been happening in that area. And so they immediately are there and they basically get to that Jack in the Box parking lot as Peggy Joe is pulling out in the RV. So now we are in a low speed police pursuit.
Oh, shit. Because it's a fucking RV. OK, so this RV cannot even reach the speed limit when she gets on to the highway.
Oh, like the minimum limit. So she starts she tries to get on the highway to get away. It's not happening. So she pulls off and goes into a residential area like side streets. Yes.
I'll lose them in this humongous giant two storey car. So pretty soon the police are able to bokser in and surround the vehicle.
And of course, they're like, you're surrounded. Come out with your hands up. They don't know who's in this this RV. They don't know it's her. They have no idea. And there were theories that they were gangs going around and robbing these banks and there were people working in teams. So they're like Wolfen. If it's an RV, they're a bunch of people are in there, probably.
So Peggy Joe stands up, she pulls the curtains and she goes and sits back at the table and she fuckin smokes a cig and tries to make a decision about what she's going to do.
It's important to have curtains and a table in your car. That's right. You can think and convenient. It's so good for thinking. Then she played she played solitaire. All the stuff people do in ARV's thought. So nothing happens for like ten minutes. And of course the cops come out of the hands. It's getting like more and more tense. So what she finally makes, she puts out her cigaret and she makes her decision. She goes into her bedroom and she picks up a toy gun.
What, and she walks out to the front of the RV and opens the door. One more cigaret and think about that for a little longer.
Oh, which one are you going to? That's video of it happening.
Holy shit. That was on the news. So that's her leaning out of the RV door, talking to the cops as a woman or like.
Did she take off her. Yeah. As herself. She took off. I think she has the hat is on like that's the floppy hat and sunglasses. But she wasn't passing them notes or anything. She was just like, yeah, it's me.
So the police are shocked to see a 60 year old woman standing in the doorway of the of the bank robber getting RV.
And they she says to them, you're going to have to kill me. And they say, we're not going to do that. Just put put the gun down and come out. That doesn't have to be that way. And she says to them, quote, You mean to tell me if I come out of here with a gun and pointed at y'all, you're not going to shoot me?
And the cop that's closest to her says, do not raise that gun. Please just put it down and come out. She doesn't she steps out and raises the gun.
And Peggy Joe, tieless, is shot four times and killed on sight.
Oh. Oh, my God. Then the police throw a can of tear gas into the RV, getting ready for the fuckin bank robbery gang that they think is having their grandma drive them around in an RV.
Shit. They're they're prepped for accomplices as well.
They should be. But instead, they find the empty RV, the snubbed out cigaret. And when they go into her bedroom, they find her 357 Magnum that she actually owned, that she left inside.
So the FBI, they all those agents that were there do the record check. They realized that the dead woman is no no is none other than Peggy Jo, tieless cowboy Bob. So they call Agent Steve Powell, retired agent Steve Powell, and leave him a message saying we have some bad news for you. And when saying they have some bad news about his old nemesis and when he calls back, he just says, say it isn't so.
Do you think they had fallen in love lately? Right. Right.
Because that's why would you be so passionate to catch somebody when it was like, oh, my God. And then he's also questioning his sexuality, which is hot.
Yeah, maybe I like beards. He thinks to himself secretly. What? I never knew that about my son. Then he sees the glue on her upper lip and then he's like, I'm into glue. That's what I like. Love sniffing glue. I've never been able to really. Oh, my God.
They're so. This is a this is a quote from Escape's article from her friend Cherrix, again, quote, I might cry during this.
Sometimes I can't get over the sadness that she's gone. But then I think about her walking out of that bank, 60 years old, that bag full of money. And I have to say that she went out doing what she loved.
Robbing fucking bank, robbing fucking banks. What the fuck?
We'll never understand it, but she was doing what she loved. I wish I could write her a note and say, good for you, my sweet Peggy. Good for you.
I tell you, this is my favorite person of all fucking time when I tell you, because listen, and I think we all know this, it's kind of the way this society is set up is kind of a scam in lots of different ways, especially the banking system.
And so medical and the medical system, the banking system, the invisibility of women over the age of twenty fucking seven and the whole fucking thing. Why not all the way over the top, if you can fucking listen, if you can take advantage of the things that normally oppress you and turn them around and get three thousand four hundred seventy three dollars every once in a while, hitting anyone without hurting anyone, without threatening anyone, without making it traumatic in any way.
You fucking get that paper, girl.
All right. I'm just saying I'm very inspired. Just saying, are we bank robbers now? I mean, we'd have to think of something different because Garrity did it, but we just told everyone they wouldn't. Come on. They won't tell. OK, so then I searched our email and found an email that someone wrote in to us. Yes.
Yes. And it starts like this, dear. All or should I say y'all?
Long time listener, first time to get my lazy ass to finally write this email. Honestly, I can't believe I did it on a Monday, but here we are.
Is this is this from her? From Peggy Jo? Oh, like it sounds like her already. I grew up in a small town in north Texas called Rockwall.
It's it sits on the outskirts of Dallas and is surrounded by a very large manmade lake that is used on the rig for speedboats, fishing, jet skiing, etc.. There are a few marinas along the Waters bank, but one was the most popular, mainly because the woman, Peggy, who ran the bait and convenience shop located on site, was pretty legit. She was pleasant, friendly and would even spot you if you were a little short on docking fees.
Oh my gosh.
Mostly the younger crowd populated dislocation as it was also easy at the time to score some cheap beers, although we were underage. So fucked.
And Peggy, just like you can have it. Go ahead. Smoke, smoke, smoke.
Don't tell your mother from me. Flash forward a number of years. And my boyfriend, who was a habitual wake boarder and was on the lake daily, received a text from an old friend mentioning Little Peggy. Joe from the marina had died. Well, she didn't just die. She was shot and killed by the FBI. Little did anyone know.
Peggy Jo, tieless was another character that was well known in the eyes of the law. And she basically goes on and explains word for word exactly what I've just said.
And basically, it ends with its inevitably she died at the scene, which was discovered after the handgun was a child's toy and all the it's very sad because also all the cops and the agents that were there, they were like there was nothing that indicated that that gun was a toy at all. You know, sometimes they have, like, the orange safety caps and shit like that. They were I mean, it was a lot of them were super fucked up about the whole thing.
She did it. It was suicide by cop. I mean, clearly not. But she was like, I'm fucking Butch Cassidy doing this thing. And it was her choice to do so in the last line is pretty crazy shit for a small Texas town. But then again, I guess sometimes that's the best place to hide. I hope to make it to the Austin show in November, Jake.
Jake just saw it's already sold out.
Oh, I wish you could go back inside, like, give her a ticket, says DGM Page Pate, and that is the insane story of the bank robber, Peggy Jo Tallis.
Wow. Back and lover Epic Soga. Epic. Amazing. Great job. Thank you. I, I know that one wasn't like I usually like to do a lot more jokes but fuckin I don't know, I just think that's so there's something about that story that's so awesome. It's like a person like it's never, it's not over.
You can you know, try to do felonies and stuff but you think you can do whatever you want at any stage of life. You want to do it. You can reinvent yourself, you can reinvent yourself. You cannot reinvent yourself and do what you love to do in your 20s. Yeah, you're sexy. Yes. Rob Bank.
Why fucking not carry on? That's that. You delivered my day like everyone was on the edge of their seat. I had never heard that story before, so it was still one of my favorites. I'm so I can't believe that reposted that whole episode.
I'm so glad we to bring breathed life back into that we can look for these quilts are more than just me needing to have a vacation.
Inventure not there. It's not just vacation. It's actually all right. And then for the hometown, what should we do now?
The hometown is going to be from a show that we did in December eight of twenty seventeen. So if you were at the St. Louis, Missouri show that we did at the Powell Symphony Hall, you will remember this story that Mindy told us she was pregnant and now her kid is three or four.
I don't know, math is a toddler four years old. Thank you. That's got crazy. All right. I'm going to be for this year. Oh, my gosh. And in the 90th percentile, we're guessing. So enjoy this story from Mindy.
Oh, let's tell them about this. Oh, yes. OK, so we I was going to for a little while going to I, I wanted my big thing to be that I was going to buy a blouse in the casino clothing store. You know, they always have those are like they're just like three things of each color, like, come on, you spilled something on your top, come in here and guess so I went in there as positive I was going to do it.
And the only black shirt they had had these big white rings that were cut through so that your skin would show, like, I simply can't do it. But then we just started actually shopping around this store and they had some they had some pretty good stuff. So we were like, OK, we're going to do well, we're going to a hometown. Let's get this insane gift for the hometown person. Yeah, we got a little hometown murder.
Model it for the front. Will you tell them what it is? This is a gorgeous piece. This is probably from the sixteen hundreds, I would think. Real diamonds, real diamonds and probably Jade also. What's nice is that the actual ring finger part, is it stretchy like a watch. So it's going to fit anybody. And essentially it's an octopus with diamond encrusted arms holding a fish with a diamond eye. Oh, it's classic. It's beautiful.
I'll start the bidding at two dollars. The best thing about it is the fish is screaming in terror. His mouth is open and his eye is this big, poor guy. This is a this is a violent moment captured in Jade and we can't wait to give it to our house. Now, let me tell you really quickly, the rules of hometown this just so we've developed over the live shows, you've heard me say this. If you've ever listen to a live show, you can't be so drunk that you lose your place in your own story.
It's we love if you're drunk and God bless. But this is you got to deliver the narrative. It's important beginning, middle, end. It's good that it's from St. Louis so everybody can know it and have fun with them. I think Missouri and John, like close by, close by, certainly don't go out of state. What was the third one? You know, just give it your all. Give it a go. Just go with it.
Just kidding. You're on the you're on this. Oh yeah. It's your thing. George has been picking some great ones lately, so don't let her down, OK? That's her hometown. I'm going to just. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Go over to Vince right there. But what's exciting about this is that she's already won that ring. Yeah. That ring is yours. You can start planning outfits around it now just as you walk.
Think about what you're gonna wear in there. I absolutely should have chosen someplace to go. There we go over there to. Oh, are there steps. Oh, they're taking photos with Vince. It's fucking mayhem in here. Yeah, I should have invited someone closer to the oh, there's a little sign up there. Oh, whoa. I don't know. My say has got murdered. Oh, shit. There's a light up sign in the very back that says I almost got murdered.
Oh, no. Yeah. Let's on this girl. OK, here she comes again, everywhere you go, I will be watching Mindy, Mindy, everybody. How's it going? It's great, how are you? Are you mad at me? No. OK, I'm really happy. OK, also I'm pregnant. You guys always talk about pregnant people. Yes. I thought I didn't want to say anything, but we were walking up the aisle and you were like, hurry up.
And, you know, we're like really awesome shirts that my husband bought me for our two year anniversary. Says, we really like Star Wars. Yeah, there's no moon. OK, I'm actually pregnant. That's no. Mindy, where are you from? I'm actually from craft corps. OK, what's that. What's this local. It's about 15 minutes down 40 from here. It's core group for it's West County. Will you spell it? See creb c o e you are.
I have to picture something hard. Some go. It's in St. Louis. We have this thing letter telling where there's all kinds of French words that we say we're oh nice. We love that. So it should be crab core meaning broken heart. But but we say Grace Corps because that's how we do. Well, good. Yes, I support that 100 percent. So I'm here with my sister in law who came all the way from Vegas. Whoa.
And her friend, who's my friend now, cat. And they're they're sitting right behind your uncle. We're sitting here and thanks for taking care of him. What's your murder? OK, so you want to talk about your family more? I mean, it's it also have an increased call, OK? And so when I was in second grade, I was friends with this girl, and I'm going to not say her real name because she's a real person.
So I'll just call her Julie. And so Julie and I were real tight. We're hanging out all the time. She was real. She's a real quirky girl. She like NASA. I thought she was going to be an astronaut. She's it. But anyway, so so I was always going to her house and she had this house that my my parents called it the compound because her mom lived there and both of her grandparents and then her mom's friend and OK, so it's nineteen eighty seven.
So eighties and not a lot of people were divorced then.
So I'm like Mom what's up with, you know, who's the friend. And my mom's like, oh don't worry about it. But I kept asking about it. I'm like seven years old and finally she's like, OK, Mindy, she doesn't have a dad. So that's her mom's boyfriend. And I was like, OK, well, where's your dad? And my mom's like, OK, Mindy, you're seven. You're old enough to know. Yeah, she was like her grandpa.
I killed her dad. Oh. And I was like the grandfather. He's at the house and I'm always there and we're hanging. And she had this it was one of these amazing families where you go there. And there was always a project like we would for her birthday. I would like sit on her grandpa's lap and he would help me iron these bows that we were making. And, you know, those big 80s bows. You weren't a hair with the headbands.
And so we would be doing this. And I'm hanging out with our grandpa and I'm like, OK, this is like martyring isn't that big a deal because I'm hanging out with them. And so anyhow, and like, her mom would sit at the piano and they would all sing together and it was like, so. So that I'm creating this like this very happy family picture, right, and I'm like, it's only the grandpa, like, fine, whatever.
And so a seven year old. Yeah, yeah. So anyway, a couple nights ago, I knew I was coming here, so I was like, parents. I'm like, you need to get this story straight. And my dad's a lawyer and he's like, OK, so here's the real deal. What happened was when Julie was five, she started reporting to her mom and grandparents that she was being sexually abused by what was her divorced dad.
And the the mom and the grandparents were like, well, we can't have this, but they couldn't do anything about it. So he still had his visitation rights, whatever.
So they planned this thing where when he came back, they were in the kitchen and the grandpa stabbed him, in my dad's words, probably a bunch of times with a kitchen knife gone or not done yet, because then the whole family, probably not including Julie, comes together and they chop him up into little pieces, which I told you the piano thing, red flag.
I told you, you're pushing it. You're pushing it. You're trying to put this show on. Yes. So they shot them over the little pieces. They put them in a bag. And we were talking about this in the car. We decided he had to be chopped into little pieces because he might not have fit in the bag they had specifically picked. Oh, my. So then they drive out on, like, family road trip to St. Charles.
You guys know, which, by the way, is where I work. And they drive out to St. Charles, they find like a back road and they just bury him there and then they go about living their lives.
And one day some guy and I guess he was like a hunter with the dog or something, and he found the body and calls the police. And they put this all together and they figure out this, this is Julie's dad. And so they show up at the compound, which is just starting for but they show up there and they are like, what has happened here?
And the whole family's like, we have no idea what you're talking about. And so there it is. It's pretty obvious they just became British just for that moment. So my according to my dad, who knows this from like lawyers and other lawyers or whatever, apparently they like systematically would pull like each member of the family and jail them for 48 hours and grill them.
Nobody would break. Wow. Everybody had no idea what happened. So they would do this for months and months, like they would hide this from Julie somehow. And so this when this happened, started when she was five. We're the same age. So seven second grade. It's still happening like the whole family still living in the house. There's still the police are stalking and bothering them all the time. They can't get anything out of them. And like my dad, meanwhile, is going to these lawyer like corporate parties.
He sees her grandparents and her parents there. They're all hanging out. I'm going there all the time. It turns out my parents know that this family, like, shopped this guy. I buried him somewhere and they're like sending me over there all the time. Sounds like a really safe place. Honestly, no one's going to sound like the safest place a little girl could be. Yeah, right. Yeah. So I guess at some point her grandpa decided that he would agree to he's like, I didn't do it, but I'm going to plead to second degree murder so that you'll leave my family alone.
So they came to some agreement that if he was there in jail for seven years, then when it was all over, they would leave the whole family alone. And at that point, Julie switched schools and just we didn't see them anymore. And I'm like, I go to college, I come back, I'm waitressing at Sisa Whittaker's Pizza and and I wait on their family and it's the mom and the grandparents. And obviously, meanwhile, like, I don't know, all that happened or whatever, and they're all happy in the mom's like trying to get me to take a class that she teaches and the grandparents are like updating me and Julia, telling me how everything's going and everything is all good.
And so anyway, so when I'm asking my parents about this, I'm like, wait, you knew the whole thing when I was seven and you sent me over there repeatedly and they were like, well, we knew you'd be safe.
Oh, it parents, they were right there. No shame. They don't even regret it. You shit. That was amazing. I don't mind. Now, I don't mind a child molester getting chopped up. No, we've heard much worse than that. Is that right? Oh, my God, look what you just get here, OK? Just describe what you're seeing to the people right now.
I don't know if I could do a better job than you guys did. OK, then. See you later. OK, it is like a lime green, and it's almost as if this thing is wearing, it's oh, he's he has the fish but it looks like he's wearing the fish does look like a little fish.
Maybe the fish is so. The octopus is wearing a ring and so am I. OK, that's better than the fish being killed. I like you so much. Yeah. All right, thanks, Mindy. Way to go. And for our fucking hurray, we wanted to recognize and shout out and give some support to our Texas Motorino and everyone in town. We know you guys down there are really going through some really heavy shit. It's really heavy to see the news coming out of Texas.
It's really horrible to see so many people stranded, abandoned, not have food, not have water.
Like it's just kind of insane.
And we're really feeling for you. And especially because and we used to talk about this early days that Texas murderousness showed up early and strong. And they our network, when they first started giving us the numbers and telling us like where where the big populations of murdering those were they were just like Texas, all over Texas. I mean, we were like, what?
Really hate our guts, OK?
And in fact, you love us and we love you. So we're going to donate ten thousand dollars to the Texas relief fundraiser so that you guys get taken care of because you deserve it. And the name of we're going to donate that money in the name of the murderer he knows of Texas zip.
So thanks to you guys and we're thinking of you and fuck. Hold on tight and take care of each other. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. So thanks for listening. Thanks for being here. Take care of yourself.
It's bumpy out there. It's been a bumpy year. But look at you. You got through it yourself. Still here a year later.
And and can we're continuing on. Yeah. We're just going to keep plowing through because that's what we do, you know, and that's you'll find some might take that out.
You'll find some light at the end of your disgusting, dark, ugly tunnel. Yeah.
So take care of yourselves, guys. Yeah. And stay sexy and don't get murdered. Goodbye, Elvis.
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