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This is exactly right. Hello and welcome, my favorite murder, the Minnesota. Well, it's many. You're welcome, then. Yeah. What more kind of introduction do you need for this one? You can't keep making up bullshit.


I can't keep telling you it's many and you're not getting it. I can't keep telling you. That's Georgia hard start. I can't keep telling you that that's Karen Kilgariff and that you guys write us in letters and we read them to you now.


You know what? This is the wrong to what if there is a person logging on for the first time? What has a person downloading from the mainframe today for the first time?


What's up, Gerri? Thank you for joining us. Hi. Did your wife foresee G or a J? That's going to be a J. Yeah, that's why it's taken him this long. He thought boys don't like this. Yes, they do. Jerry, just get just you wait there. Lady Jerry's aren't there yet with GS, but this Jerry is a J. OK, I didn't know that. OK, good to know. Don't don't fight the improv.


That's the worst thing you can do.


Oh I just said no to your guy that you invited onto the show. Yeah. What do you. I'm trying to flirt with an actual Jerry Seinfeld.


I yeah. That's his name.


You want to go first this week. Change it up. Sure. Let's do it. Let's let's just make Jerry think that this is how it's always Jerry is going to be so fucking confused.


I'm going to be a regular again when he has to binge. Listen to every episode. He's going to look like this isn't how I learned how it is.


I thought the voice. It sounds just like the second voice was the first voice. I've had the mixtape this whole time. OK, this is called Slept in the Lap of a Serial Killer. Oh, OK. It just starts growing up. The son of a Church of Christ preacher, you see a lot of shit and a lot is one word.


It's also such a guy thing to just be like there's no hello. No, I don't have to talk to you about your pets. No compliments. Of course it's about my story.


And hear cancer. Go ahead. All right.


One thing happened in 1976 when my family lived in Jeffersonville, Indiana, that I will never forget. I was six years old at the time. My father would often counsel people with typically the goal of baptizing, i.e. saving them, which is basically the job of a preacher. One of these cases I will never forget. It was a man named James Lofton. He was thirty one and married to his pregnant wife. My folks took them and my younger brother and I to dinner one night.


As we drove home, I fell asleep in the back seat in Mr. Loudon's lap after they were both baptized. A few weeks later, during a Sunday morning sermon, Mr. Lofton stood up in the middle of the sermon and yelled, Y'all need to listen to this man because he is speaking the truth. Yes, yes. Now, getting out in church is my favorite because, you know, there's something going on. Oh, no one does it? No, he says now, this thing was wasn't normal for your average conservative Church of Christ service.


No, no, no, no. It being extremely awkward. Yes. People get scared when you yell in church. Even a six year old is like, that's not how this goes. You're supposed to be paying attention to the guy up there, not people in the middle. A few weeks later, Lofton stopped coming to church.


His wife contacted my father, saying she was worried about him and that he was acting very strange and not coming home at night. Within a few days, Lofton and a younger accomplice took a car salesman from Louisville, Kentucky, across the river from Jeffersonville, Indiana, on a test drive. They drove onto the Louisville Bridge and shot the salesman in the back of the head, where he fell into the Ohio River. A few days later, Lofton, this time alone, beat to death a couple with an axe and set fire to their house.


After that, he was captured by police and put into a jail where he would soon escape just a day later.


Well, he then called my dad, who pleaded for him to turn himself in. I remember the police staking out our house to both protect us and also capture him if he decided to come by. The police did eventually catch him within a few days. And he was convicted of one count of capital murder in Kentucky and two counts in Indiana. He received three consecutive life sentences. If he's still alive, he would be seventy five years old. So that's my story.


Love your show and you too. Sexy ladies, stay. Stay that way and don't get murdered. OK, did I lose? Name's Matt Gode and I clicked on his link to that, you know, in his signature. And this is like insanely talented graphic artist. Turns out man famous, insanely talented. We should not have talked. You know, this happens every time we talk shit about somebody at the top of their email. We regret it by the end.


That's a great story. Matt, why did he do it?


Why did it go on a killing spree? I mean, why did he stand up in the same thing that made him stand up in church and scream something is the same thing that made him go on. It's just like you're unhinged now.


You know what it is? You got the devil in him. He's got the devil in him. But he was baptized. It's that simple AAA hometown story. Hey, all perfect. I just finished this week. Episode and was delighted to hear Karen talk about Stull Cemetery. I grew up a few miles from there in a little town called La Compton and thought you might like to hear from someone with a personal connection to the place.


That's the whole point of what this is. That's what we're looking for. We're setting out those those red threads to connect to your picture from the picture we put up three months ago.


Get back to us about this stuff.


When I was a teenager in the 90s at the ruined church and so-called hanging tree were still there by that time.


Drunken looky loos, drunken looky loos, the best kind of looky loos that make they look so loud, so loud, and it's always pointing and screaming. We want to turn whatever it is into a restaurant. And they're just like, that's cokeheads.


Well, one leads to the other. Drunken looky loos have done enough damage to headstones and cemetery grounds that the community got fed up and surrounded the whole thing with a fence. Wow. Things are bad enough that the local sheriffs posted patrols every Halloween. That actually makes sense. Yeah, fucking looky loos just eyeballing all over the place. You destroy a headstone. You're not a looky loos anymore. That's called you're a menace. I don't know, drunken man.


That's called sorry. Sorry to loop it all together, but that's called you got the devil in you.


I mean, am I right? Amen, sister. This is a Methodist episode of the many. Naturally, it was a rite of passage for area kids to sneak into the cemetery and scare the shit out of each other. Some of my classmates had ridiculous stories about it. My personal favorite two boys will call them Jay and Ryan, who claim to have found the legendary staircase. So do you remember the staircase that supposedly goes to hell with lots of stories around it?


That's apparently very difficult to find. It's not obvious.


From what I remember, you can't be any looky loo coming by. And no, especially if you're drunk, you're going to be looking in the completely wrong place for a staircase. Yeah. You think it's spiral? It's not it's not broken. It's not a spiral staircase to help. They plan to send Jay down, but only after they'd looped a length of rope around his waist and tied the other end to the bumper of Ryan's truck.


I'm not sure if they meant to tow Jay out of hell or to use him as devil bait. Teenage boys, God bless. At any rate, they never went through with it. They said they heard growling as soon as Jay went down the first step and they ran for their lives. Bullshit. The Devil Raccoon disturbed by two Dumarsais. I'll let you decide. I never bought into the law because my parents say the stories that only started circulating when they were teenagers in the 70s.


And because I have family connection to the cemetery, I'm not Amish. Just descended from German farm stock. My dad's grandma May and Grandpa John are buried there. I never knew John, but my great grandma may live to be ninety two dying in nineteen ninety one. When I was eight years old, May was a tiny, sweet lady who burned the shit out of fried baloney sandwiches every time, each Memorial Day until I moved away for college. I visited the cemetery with my family to leave flowers for my great grandparents.


We'd often stand in the shade of the infamous tree as we pay our respects. Dad's always been frustrated by the legends about style because they've led to people fucking up the cemetery grounds. To me, still, cemetery is just a peaceful, sad place, like any small country cemetery. But it's fascinating to track how these kinds of legends come into being. Thanks for the hours of entertainment and for building a fabulous community. Lauren.


Oh, that's sweet. That was a heartfelt, touching story. Yeah.


And then it was a little behind the scenes, a little cemetery, the gateway to hell.


And then it made me remember that Vince made me my first ever fried baloney sandwich, because that's totally a Midwestern thing. It is.


I've never had a fried baloney sandwich. Pretty good. Did you like it? Yeah. Course design is like it's like. Yeah, I was going to say because it like a flat fried hot dog basically it's like a grilled cheese but with fried blown in it.


OK, that's great.


Yeah I'm seeing it. I can yeah I can picture it now. Mimi is acting up. Mamie's in Miami. OK, this is called green. Scream for the microphone. Mimi scream baby.


There she lay down please. She's I think we're going to post these. This is a video on the fan cult so you'll be able to see Mimi just getting cat hair all over me right now.


OK, this is called my mother's amazing video. I know that people haven't seen enough of cats, OK?


It's called our mother in law. Was Patty Hearst escort for her trial? Yes. Hello, MFM crew. I've been meaning to write this story for some time, but it wasn't until I mentioned it to my ex-husband, his wife and fellow Madrina Imadi, who said she hadn't heard the story that we asked our mother in law to tell us. All the details over a socially distant Mother's Day brunch. That's what Mother's Day brunches for as tell us about your crazy stories with your husband's new wife.


What a modern and bold. And I like it. It's very emotionally intellectual or emotionally intelligent, is emotionally intellectual, is like a little bit snobby.


That's a little like you're bragging about the difference between sociopaths and psychopaths.


OK, so actually.


Oh, this is funny. Our mother in law, Jerry Jewitt, I must have picked that up. The Jerry mom was hired by the U.S. Marshals Office in San Francisco as a secretary upon graduation from high school. She was hired for the job by a bunch of old men. And she said she got the job because while facing a wall, her boobs hit before her toasted yay for 70s sexism. Right.


For you to get the. That was the job interview.


Well, essentially, do you think jury duty was being sarcastic when she told that story or this was like a literal this is how she got the job?


I mean, yeah, they probably they're right. Yeah. They probably hired her because she looked a certain way. Yeah. She's you know, it's like it's like 9:00 to 5:00.


Dolly Parton, secretary culture, sexism, culture against the wall.


The wall. That wouldn't work for me. This makeup is not hitting the wall any time soon.


Anyway, the Patty Hearst case was the biggest thing in the news. And when she was arrested and tried, she had to have a female escort or matron with her at all times during transport. And the trial being that Jerry was one of only two women in the entire place. She was assigned to be Patty's matron. She was required to remove Patty from her cell, take her to and from the car back and forth from the jail in Redwood City to the trial in San Francisco and be there with her on on any breaks, take her to the bathroom, etc.




Our mother in law and all her naive twenty year old wisdom got in trouble for many reasons during this assignment, one being she let Patty kiss her boyfriend and fellow SLA member Steven Solia through the cell bars.


She's a romantic. She's let him smoke, but also let him go kidnap her. Oh. Oh, yeah, I see. I see. The problem with that, I see with the both problematic.


I see it now during Patty nineteen seventy five arrests, the police used Jerry as a decoy in the marked van to distract the media while they took Patty out through the back in an unmarked car. During the trial, Patty and Jerry crocheted a lot and became friends as they spent a lot of time together, Patty would ask Jerry to buy her cigarettes and promised that her family would pay her back when Jerry made very clear it did not happen.


That's the very rich. They always forget to give you fifteen dollars. They don't realize that fifteen dollars is so much money to you. That's not to them. You'd have to say to them, Listen, Patty, I need this fifteen dollars back because to me it's two million. Exactly.


Yeah, right. Jerry says that Patty was just like any normal young woman, but she does think Patty had been brainwashed. In the nineteen eighty eight movie Patty made about her trial, she named one of the jurors, Jerry Jewitt, as a tiny nod to her mother in law. We asked her I know we asked her if they had talked since the trial is over and she said no, but that she had, quote, Twittered at her. But Patty never Twittered back.


No. Anyway, we knew that we had to share this amazing story with you ladies.


And also, I want to thank you for what you do. We adore you, CGM, Rachel and Maddy.


How like you know, like that's like history, your your crocheting like in history. Let's see. This is just our tile. This is my dad's story. My dad is a boomer, which means he was able to pay for his education at UC Berkeley by working a few side jobs. I mean, my dad says that all the time, but UC Berkeley, it would cost five thousand dollars back then. It was so cheap. Yeah.


And then, like, why don't you why can't you pay your way through college now? And it's because it's one hundred and fifty thousand dollars for phone one semester. Yep.


And then the interest on that student loan, make sure that you're going to keep paying the student loan well after you've paid it three time.


But don't worry, the job market when you go to college is fucked and your opening job is fucking thirty grand. OK, yeah. Jerry, stop fucking Jerry, stop it. My dad is a big guy. So one of these jobs was the security was a security guard for a warehouse in Emeryville. There had been a string of warehouse robberies, so his job was to patrol the floor alone until morning. He was instructed to never under any circumstance let anyone into the building.


The job is going well until one shift. When there's banging on the warehouse door, he opens a little security window to peer out into the. Street and they're standing in the light is a nun. She's in full habit and a bad part of town in the middle of the night, she tells him her car broke down. Can't she come in and use the phone? Really in? My poor Catholic dad feel so conflicted, but he has to tell her that he can't open the door until morning.


She asks him, Please, please, can she come in? She just needs to make a phone call. He tells her he really can't, but that he will make the call for her. So he goes to call the police. When he comes back to the door, the woman is gone, the police arrive and there is no broken down car and no nun. Oh, my God. Was she really a nun in trouble or did she have a costume and hidden accomplices who would have robbed the warehouse, possibly harming my dad in the process?


We'll never know.


Maybe my dad will find out when he gets to Catholic heaven and meets a pissed off actually at the gates are like, remember that nun you didn't help by going out on your own.


The water slide straight to hell, straight through the stull secretary by stay sexy and don't trust someone just because they have a uniform.


Emma, I love that because I feel like so all of us would have open the door. Like your first instinct is to open the door.


And he refused to address Catholic, especially as a Catholic, which I wonder if they looked up beforehand of like what would work on this specific.


It would be a you know, it's almost you.


It's almost too, too good bye disguise. Its sound is reminding me is that a Marky Mark movie is like the Italian job. Is there something like that? Wasn't there one with nuns? Was it the town nun masks? But then the masks were like zombies.


And I think you're something like what's the one with Whoopi Goldberg from the sister extract, the great Kathy Najimy.


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This one's called Human Skin Book Bindings at the Mutter Museum, Dear Karen, Georgia Amco, on behalf of the staff at the College of Physicians in Philadelphia, well known for its Mutter Museum.


We are huge fans of your podcast, which is such an honor. That museum is so fucking cool and badass. I'm so bummed I've never been there yet. In your most recent episode, the question of how common was the practice of binding books in Human Skin came up and we wanted to offer our expertise.


Hell yes. Mutter Museum Mutter. Our historical medical library just happens to have the largest confirmed collection of Anthurium anthem. I'm going to get this anthropoid anthropoid Dharmic and like Dermo Karren, your sources are so right and I love words, I love words, anthropos dharmic books in the country.


So we thought we'd share what we know. It wasn't uncommon for 19th century physicians and surgeons to tanne human skin and subsequently use the leather as book bindings. Traditional 19th century Tamme began by soaking in animal skin and lime water after the skins had soaked any flesh, fat and hair was removed from the skin by hand.


Yeah, the deep fleshed skins were soaked again in line water for a few days and then soaked in baths, a tannin usually derived from tree bark that were made progressively stronger over a period of weeks or months. Once tanned, the skins were dried, rolled and pressed into leather. Of course, this brings up the question of whether the doctors had their their patients permission, which in many cases can't be confirmed. Three of our five anthropoid Dharmic books came from the skin of one woman, Mary Lynch, who died of trichinosis on January 16th, 1869 at old Lochley in Philadelphia, one of her attending physicians, John Stockton.


How removed a piece of her skin from her thigh sometime between her death and burial in June of 1887. How use the skin to partially bind three books, all dealing with women's reproductive reproductive health. We don't know if how had Mary Lynch's permission or why he chose to find books about conception and childbirth with her skin. These three books, in addition to the other two anthropoids comic books in the library collection, represent a unique convergence of text and medical specimen.


The books, as collections of text, remain valuable sources in the history of medicine. The books as objects force us into uncomfortable considerations of the use of human skin and bindings and whether the use of human skin diminishes the value of the text, rendering them mere objects of mortal curiosity. So smart.


If you're ever in Philadelphia, we would love to give you a private tour and to take it. Oh, please stay sexy and don't let your skin be turned into a book without your consent. The staff at the Mutter Museum of the College of Physicians of Philadelphia. And then I remember that I have a friend who's this really smart librarian who was working on a book about this practice. So I looked it up and actually comes out next month in October.


Oh, sure. It's called Dark Archives, a librarians investigation into the science and history of books bound in human skin. And her name's Megan Rosenblum. I just I forgot, but.


Well, that's a girl that's such good news that that book is coming out, because I would love to know why they did that and what the I mean, like, yeah, apparently it doesn't it's so creepy. It gets into all of that. How cool.


Because we've heard a couple stories about creepy doctors where I'm thinking this doctor that did that with this story that you just told. Right. May may have been a creep. Could have been. Yeah. Sounds like a real good I don't know. So but then maybe in this book it explains that it was like some I don't know what would the explanation be that would make me feel better? I'm not sure. There can't be one.


I mean, it's a bit history, maybe for history sake, you know.


I mean but it's a book, you know, just use fucking paper and leave people alone.


Well, I bet you'll find out in the book. Dark Archives by Megan Rosenblum.


Here's my last one. This just our Taiyo. I grew up in the East Bay, Concord, California, in middle school and the beginning of high school. I used to walk home with my brother and one day I started receiving calls from an unknown caller. The only sound from the phone calls would be heavy breathing. This scared the living shit out of me for years. I would receive these phone calls at random times, just heavy breathing into the receiver.


At first I thought, I have a stalker. At 13 through 15 years old, I thought I was going to get murdered, but also thought this would be such a great TV show, Lifetime DVD.


So it's I mean, they are not wrong. I never told anyone in retrospect, not sure why I never said something, but whatever. Finally, two years after these random phone calls started, I received the last unknown call. I was walking home with my best friend Hayley, expecting a phone call to come through, but it never did. We finally get to my house and I get the phone call, the heavy breathing right into the fucking phone.


Then I realized I could actually hear the breathing.


In the other room, there was Haley breathing heavily, breathing into my body.


It turns out my best friend Haley had been calling my phone, blocking her number and breathing into her phone for years since we walked in different directions.


I never caught her vote for my God. Thankfully, the heavy breathing didn't just stop there. From then on, whenever Haley would leave me a voicemail, she would just have breathe into the phone. And that tradition has continued throughout the last 10 years.


I now live in San Antonio, Texas, and Haley still in the Bay Area. We're both almost twenty eight years old. She's still my best friend, even though she terrorized me for years. She grew up to be a beautiful wife and fantastic mother to sweet baby angel.


One and a half year old little girl Haley, my personal favorite US Postal Service employee for Trump support. USPS has been fighting a war that was on the piece of paper I just read has been fighting a rare form of leukemia since quarantine started logit right in the heat of covid-19. She found out and has been kicking leukaemias ass ever since. She's currently at Stanford receiving a stem cell transplant in order to avoid her leukemia from ever coming back. We still talk normally and frequently, even if her sense of humor has gotten slightly darker, a lot of death jokes, but whatever makes her feel better and she's still fighting through it.


So I like to think even in the darkest times, it's super fucking important to remember the good times, even if those good times are tormenting phone calls from your youth. So keep in touch with your loved ones socially. Distance yourself, support the USPS vote, and most importantly, block your number or call your best friend and have you breathe into the phone scaring the living shit out of them. You never know how much you'll appreciate it later, says DGM Lexie.


Oh my God, that's so sweet. I was like mad for her like that.


So say no, that's a good prank because she did it to her long enough. Yeah, and I bet you it drove. I bet you it drove her her friend crazy that she never said anything. Yeah. The whole point is probably did get her to freak out. So then she'd be like, it's me. I would have laughed at me like got you. But it was like, yeah, years in.


But like Lexi was just trying to be like a real soldier about it. And Haley's like, OK, I guess I'll just keep breathing into your phone, you idiot.


Oh, my God, I love that story. I think that's hilarious on many levels.


Yes, it is. And Haley, keep kicking. Leukemia's out. Please do. Please do. Wow, that was incredible. That was a great story. Send us your stories. Better like that or not like that or like whatever you want them to be.


Geria can be anything you want. We do grandparents. We do stuff. Stuffed animals. We do, of course, traditional hometown. Just the scariest murder you write about when you were growing up.


Or let me tell us a funny story from the set of Seinfeld that like no one would know about, oh, my God, when this one time Elaine couldn't stop laughing at Jerry Stiller, did you ever hide anything in the in the cupboards?


What was really in the cereal boxes?


OK, if this gets posted in anyone snitch tags, Jerry Seinfeld, you're kicked out of being a murderer. You know, for real. This is not something we want to get back to him. Don't be a nerd.


He's not going to Twitter. He's not going to Twitter or back at us, just like fucking Patty Hearst won't either. None of them. We're going to get iced out. So don't approach it. Don't approach it. We don't need it. We're just having fun.


Let's all keep calm, cool and stay sexy and don't get murdered by Elvis.


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