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I'm Jenna Fischer, and I'm Angela Kinsey. We were on the office together and we're best friends and now we're doing the ultimate office rewash podcast just for you. Each week we will break down an episode of the office and give exclusive behind the scenes stories that only two people who were there can tell you where the office ladies. Happy New Year. Happy twenty twenty one, everybody. Wow, this is exciting. We're in a new year. Man, oh man.


New Year. I'm in a new size pants.


I really am. I went up a whole pants. I made some New Year's resolutions.


And one of them is, I'm going to move more.


I'm going to keep it really simple. I'm just going to move more.


You know, I did that. And because I felt really creaky when I would wake up in the morning and I didn't like it, I felt like the age in my bones, you know? And I was like, you know, keep it in motion.


Yeah, it's a good thing. Yeah. I'm just going to go on more walks. This is my my big New Year's resolution. More walking.


I think that's good movement. Fresh air. It's it's good for your health in so many ways. Yeah. I'm for this.


I can't make my resolutions too complicated or it won't happen. So I'm keeping it real simple.


Make attainable goals. This is amazing. I'm going to walk with you. Yeah, well we'll do it together.


Well, you guys, we are sorry you had to wait so long for part two, but we were we were just wanting to spend some time with our families. And we're excited to share with you now Dunder Mifflin Infinity, part two.


Yeah. And I have to say, it's worth the wait because Michael's going to drive his car into a lake this week.


Oh, and we have lots to say about it. We do. Let's get started. Let's do it. Dunder Mifflin Infinity part to Season four, Episode four written by Mike Shaw and directed by Craig Zisk. Here is a summary. Michael tries to show up Ryan and his emphasis on technology by winning back clients with old fashioned customer service and elaborate gift baskets. Along the way, he drives into a lake after misinterpreting the directions from his GPS. Also in this episode, Ryan asked Pam to design some logos for Dunder Mifflin Infinity and then he asks her out and Angela makes it clear to Dwight that they are done.


Yeah, she is not forgiving him.


Well, gang, since we did fast facts on the first half of this episode, and since it is a new year, we thought we should pay a visit to our mailbag and answer some questions.


Yes, it's time to talk to you guys. Well, our first letter came from Jessi S. and she said, hi, I am a hard of hearing person who loves to listen to the podcast, but I do miss some things as I rely on lip reading a lot. I am wondering if transcribing the podcast is an option for other deaf and hard of hearing who are fans of the show and would love to be able to interact with the podcast.


Well, guys, we do have a transcription for every single episode going back to the pilot and you can find it on office ladies dotcom. If you go to the episodes and scroll down, there's a little button for transcript. Yes.


You go past the sort of summary of the episode and it's right there and you can click on it and read the whole thing.


This is kind of personal to me, Jesse, because my sister Emily wears hearing aids and she also relies on lip reading. And so I know that sometimes being able to both listen and read along is really helpful for her. And also, like when I go to her house, she always has the closed caption on her TV.


So we definitely, definitely want the podcast to be accessible to everyone, so, guys, if there's any other ways we can make it more accessible, let us know. Yes.


And in the meantime, go to office, ladies dotcom, and go to each episode and scroll down. And the transcript is right there. And we have a team here at your wolf that helps us with that. And we so appreciate it. All right. Well, our next question comes from Julie Weiss and she says, I have a question about kissing the other actors. How do you prep for kissing someone that you were friends with but not romantically involved with?


Was it ever awkward? Oh, Julie.


Julie, it's always awkward. It's always awkward. And thank goodness over the years, though, you do become such good friends that it's just like, OK, well, we'll just do this really quickly. But something that made it difficult for me, which maybe you wouldn't think about, is that I often had to kiss Rainn Wilson and for whatever reason, he was usually eating something disgusting right beforehand. And I'd be like, dang it, do you have to eat a tuna fish sandwich right before we're supposed to kiss on?


Yeah, I remember he would always be like downing a cup of coffee and an everything bagel. Yeah. I'd be like, I'm ready for my kissing scene and you would be like rain, a mint. Can you do something, anything at this point.


Just not the everything bagel, you know. My God.


Well, at least for me, John was always very conscientious. He would have a mint or some gum.


A mint. Rainn Wilson.


I meant we were very breath aware. Rain, rain, not so much. Also, Julie, we didn't do the big open mouth stuff that maybe you see in movies and whatnot. This was like television comedy. Kissing is very different than like a dramatic movie make out. You know, it's your lips are kind of just together.


You kind of fake it, fake you kiss fake bag. Well, our next question comes from Jessica Willis. I've always been curious, how much ADR did you have to typically do for your episodes? I've noticed that in some episodes you see characters remove a mic pack and the audio goes black. It's such a real cool detail and a reference to the documentary. So how much original audio did you use and how much was rerecorded after filming?


Well, lady, my memory is we did not do a lot of ADR. I mean, I have one memory of the whole nine years of going in to do it. Yeah. In the entire nine years, I only recorded one line that they had to dub in later one in nine years.


And I thought that's how it worked. Yeah. And when I went on other jobs, part of your job is you go in a studio every week and you double lines that got missed or that maybe a plane flew over your head or there was a sound problem and they dump it in. And I spend maybe 30 minutes an hour just doing that on other shows. But on our show we did not. And why is that?


Because same all the other projects I've gone on, you have like an ADR day where you go in. But on the office, I only did ADR once and it was for the finale and I got to see footage of the finale before it aired, before anyone saw it, because I went in and had to loop one line and it was because we were outside and, you know, we had that storm coming in and they just needed me to loop a line.


And I even took a picture in the ADR booth because I had never been in there.


You know, first of all, our sound engineers were Emmy Award winning. They won Emmys for their sound design on our show. They're just amazing. But they also had a mic pack on every single actor. We had two boom operators in the room and they hid microphones throughout the office. I had one at reception.


Oh, yeah, we had a microphone in the accounting pod and they put it next to Oscar's phone.


So it would sort of pick up the three of us, you know.


But I also remember I would often see our boom operators and camera operators having little powwows because they would have to choreograph the boom swing with the camera swing so that they could pick up the sound. And it was this crafted dance that they did. And it's really amazing. And I'm actually glad that Jessica wrote in because it gives us a chance to really shout out our sound department, which was incredible.


Our main guys that were with us on the stage were Ben Patrick.


Yep, he was our main production sound mixer, sound editor, and we had our two boom operators, Nick Tabone, don't get car bound, don't get car bound and Brian Whitall, Brian Whitall would be the inspiration for the boom operator that we see later in the story.


Yeah, but then we also had like a mixing department and we had other boom operators and people that would rotate in. We just had a really amazing sound team.


Yeah, they were great. Well, we have one more question. This one is from Elysha W she asked in the talking heads where the camera is facing into the office. Stanley is almost always in the background with Leslie. David Baker have to stay in the background the whole time they film talking heads, or was that background edited in? Oh, Alysha, he had to sit there. Yes.


For nine years. Poor Leslie, David Baker. He was always in the background. He was always there. You could see him at his desk. And he was such a trooper when people had talking heads. When we had a long day of them, he'd sit there.


Yep. And sometimes Phyllis would have to sit there and sometimes cried as well. Yes. And early on, they would have people there designated to cross. Like you might see someone like cross to the kitchen or cross back. We abandoned that after a couple of seasons. I think if you look at early season talking heads, you see crosses in the background. And then at a certain point people were like, I think I'm thinking, no, I think I'm not going to go to the kitchen and back to get a cup of coffee for two hours.


Yeah, I know.


Also, I think they're a little distracting because I know I did across one time and they had me cross really close to the conference room, that cabinet that was there. And then they're like, oh no. And then they had me cross way in the back. But I think ultimately they were just like, OK, no, no crossing will.


Also, if you wanted to improv, it would throw off the timing of the cross. Yeah. And so you would when you went into editing, it did not work for Cross'. It just worked to have poor Leslie at his desk as a constant Leslie and then Crede.


I think it would be the number two runner up for that. I think so too. And then before we go to break, we just got a really nice comment and it made us happy, so we thought we'd share it. It is from Cecilia Bea and she says, Ladies, I have to tell you, you too are amazing. Thank you. So, yeah, I finally got the courage to ask for our changes at work. And all I kept hearing was both of you ladies in my head saying, just go for it, ask for what you want.


And I'm so happy that I listen to you ladies. Now I get to have an extra hour with my daughters. I'm a single mom and every second with them counts. Thank you, ladies.


Well, that makes me so happy.


Oh, well, Cecilia, that makes us so happy to hear and what Sam is waving at me. Jenna, before before we go to break, Sam, what what do you got?


I want to let you guys know on the Office Ladies podcast fan page. I know you guys aren't on Facebook.


We've heard of this, though, Jenna. Yes. They'll have shared with us. So hi, you guys. Hello.


There is a whole thread of people agreeing with Cecilia that had similar experiences. There's a woman named Naomi Tymber who went in and told her boss she deserved more money after listening to that episode and got a raise.


And then there's a whole thread of people underneath it who realize that they had been operating the same way, negotiating themselves down before they went in the interview who are not going to do it anymore.


Oh, my gosh, that is so great. I love that you're all sharing about it, too.


I love that so much. It's awesome. Well, I feel like I should give a shout out to the person who gave me this piece of advice. His name is Jeff Ulrich. And ever since he told me this, it has really resonated with me. I've been like, oh my gosh, I've been negotiating with myself for less than I deserve my whole life. So this is this is a new piece of advice to me, too. So we're all doing this together, folks.




And Sam, thanks for sharing that. And I've been hearing about this Facebook fan group of office ladies. And I just I just love the community you guys are building there. And if I wasn't 100 years old, I don't know how to navigate Facebook. Guys, I tried.


It's too I don't understand it, but it's too many things, too. I have to have just the one that's the that's the space I'm in. I know.


I know.


Like between kids and life, I'm like I can I can look at one thing, but I will say someone did point this Facebook page out to us because the community that is being built there is really supportive, really encouraging, really positive. And I feel like especially now, what a great community to have built. It's really cool. Yeah.


It means a lot to us. And Sam, you'll have to continue to. Share with us. Sounds good. OK, yeah, because if you peek in on the apple, you say what it's called again, Sam, it is simply the office latest podcast, fanpage.


Oh, awesome. Well, we should go to break and get back and get into this episode. Let's do it.


All right, now we're in Dunder Mifflin Infinity, part two, it starts with a scene in the conference room, right. Michael is showing them all the gift baskets. But Jenna, there was a deleted scene that would have started this part of the episode.


What was it, I loved it, I found it fascinating and it's an adult, they they ultimately end up providing this information with Dwight later. But there was a scene with Michael by himself and it's the start of his day and he's driving into work. He's doing one of those driving talking heads that Michael does right now.


Well, the last time he did that, it was very dangerous. I know he hit an employee. He did.


So it's the same thing. He's driving into work and he's sort of showing off his rental car. It looks like a Ford Taurus. I see Ford. I think Taurus. I don't know, guys, correct me if I'm wrong on that, but we learn the whole back story why he's not driving the Sebring. Michael said he had to get a rental car because his Sebring is in the body shop because Meredith left a big dent in the hood.


And then he said, but listen, this rental has navigation. And Michael calls it his invisible driving companion. Oh, and he goes, but, you know, listen, it is really amazing and it's like a computerized map in your car and he goes on to say that he loves its voice, that he finds it so soothing. It's like taking a warm bath. And while he's saying how much he loves the voice. Jan calls and this is what we hear.


Sam, were you play that? OK, OK, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold. It is my lady Love Somalo, where my great products I don't I just want to know, did you read my script? No, I hate those. Oh my gosh, I love. Not a morning person. Then after that, he sits in the car in silence and he just hits the navigation button, so it just keeps talking to him.


You have arrived. You just he just needs something soothing. Oh, lady. Oh, wow.


Wow. Just a window into his life with John and maybe a little bit of the reason why he trusts the navigation so much because it's just the soothing, invisible driving companion.


Yeah, I get that.


So, yes, this episode actually does start with the conference room. Did you see the spread on that table? It was incredible. I remember it from shooting. They had excellent, excellent little snacks and treats. Excellent.


In fact, Michael says that he got the finest gourmet items that Scranton has to offer.


How much did this all cost? I love every time you ask that question, you are personally fascinated by how Michael funds all of his extracurriculars and it's such a good question to ask. This is where Angela Martin, the accountant character, bleeds into your real personality.


It is because let me tell you, those baskets were not cheap. Look at those back. I love baskets. My husband says my nickname should be Baskets. I have a basket problem. If I see a basket, I'm going to buy it. And I'm telling you, those baskets are premo baskets.


Angela, I know that you recently did a huge clean out of your garage. I did.


Will you share with us how many baskets were in the garage? Thirty seven. Yeah, 37, how many did you keep? Twelve. I picked my 12 favorite, and let me tell you, it was hard for me to let go. I donated them to a church in our neighborhood that does outreach. And I was very happy that they got my baskets. But it was hard to say goodbye. I felt like when you were leaving me messages about this, I was really proud of you for this progress.


Thank you for your basket issue. Thank you. Yeah, that's not counting how many baskets I have inside the house that I'm using, though, like I have a basket, Jenna, by the fireplace that I roll up and I put blankets in and then I have a bed in my bedroom that I roll up and put blankets and listen. I have a lot of blankets around my house because my husband is a giant mountain man and I'm always freezing.


He runs hot. I have baskets of blankets stashed all around. OK, that is the title of your autobiography, Baskets of Blankets by Angela Kinzie with a side of donuts and a glass of wine.


It's a very long title. One million copies already sold. All right, well, Michael has this talking head where he explains what these baskets are all about, he says, you know, Ryan thinks everything is about emails and I am it's all about technology. But he's forgetting about the original instant message, which is a letter attached to a basket of food.


Yeah, that's the original. I am you guys. In case you were wondering. Well, I guess speaking of the cost of these baskets, Dwight is going to turn in receipts for the cost of these gift baskets to Angela. Yeah. Who is very, very icy toward him. Yeah.


And before we get into the scene, Jennifer, we've brought this up before, but for any of you that missed it. Twenty two minutes, 53 seconds, you can clearly see on the message board. Under 30 us, thus the following caption, In case you haven't noticed, there's a lot of colorful huie on this board.


Well, it's interesting you mention that, Angela, because. We had several people write in about this whiteboard behind you, Katie, Julie Bird and Christopher Nevill all said that there's even more stuff on the board now.


For example, there is an Anger Management Appreciation Day on Tuesday, the twenty third up on the 8th. There is an accounting department meeting and it specifies be prepared to show your work.


And on the 10th it says Flex Times. Yeah. Which interestingly enough, includes Karen, even though she left and under the flex times on the 10th, it says that Ryan will cover reception even though he now works at corporate. Yeah, and what is a flex time? You know, when I worked in admen. You needed to give the front receptionist a break so that that person could go to lunch and so the other admin desks would rotate in to sit at the desk for lunch.


So I was usually the receptionist. And then each day a different admin would take over my lunch hour because you couldn't have no one answering from reception or no one greeting guests. So I always assumed that's what it meant, that like flex time was who rotated to give Pam her lunch break.


But I don't know, I would have loved to see in that scene, I would have loved to sing like just a montage of different people answering the phones.


Well, yes. So Dwight has Angela the receipt for all the items in the baskets, and she's very icy towards him. Jenna, she just wants it to be business.


Just business. Yeah. And he says, I miss you. And she's like elevators. Yeah. And then when they get to the elevators, Angela is making it very clear that it's over and Dwight is kind of like, OK, OK, I do want to be friends. Plus, a little extra. Also, I love you, this is one of my favorite things that Dwight ever says to Angela. I have seen this like stitched on a pillow.


I've seen it on all of these Valentine's items. It's really cute. People have written this to their their boyfriend or girlfriend, and they've shared it with me online. But that plus a little extra also love you is so great.


I actually broke up with a guy once and he was like, I get it. Totally cool. Can we still hook up? Yeah.


And I was like, no, we cannot. That is not breaking up. And he seemed genuinely confused about it, which makes me laugh because we're now going into the scene with Ryan and Kelly in the break room. What a mess. These two.


Yeah, right, and Kelly, you're arguing and Ryan is like, you lied about being pregnant, you lied, you don't understand why that's a big deal. And Mindy is so good and she's like, oh, my God, it's like, oh, please.


Like, we will never get back together. And she's like, Why?


I know it's so good. It's really good. Well, now Pam and Jim are out front reception and they're being super flirty. Yeah, they're flirting.


He's saying, oh, is the magic gone now that we're public? And then Pam's being sort of sassy but flirty at the same time. Well, this is their new way of flirting, which is to pretend that they don't like each other or that they're breaking up. So they do this little bit and this is a little window into how they still have their sense of humor, even though they're together. Don't worry, everybody. The magic is not lost.


Yeah, the magic isn't lost.


We're just all going to have to watch them flirt. Now, also to things from Pam's desk, there is an orange kind of rust colored ceramic pot with a very sad, tiny plant, you know, because Pam could care less about plants now, like she ever really cared.


But her focus is elsewhere. And then Jenna. Pam. And Angela in real life have something in common. What at twenty four minutes, twenty two seconds, you can see a whole bunch of yellow Post-it notes that Pam has put in her desk area.


Oh, my gosh, Pam did like Post-it notes, Pam and Angela like Post-it notes. Yeah, yeah, it's true. Yeah, I did a lot of prop Post-it note work on the show.


Well, you know who likes Post-it notes in real life?


You. Me, you love it. I love a post-it. Why are you not like some sort of spokesperson for Post-it notes. I don't know.


I actually did a campaign with Post. It's a few years ago, and they sent me a humongous box of every kind of different type of Post-it you could imagine.


And I was over the moon. I did a crazy thing with Post-it notes.


It was early in the run of the office. Wired magazine wanted me to do like a. A nude cover? Yeah, but I wasn't I wasn't nude, their pitch was that I was covered in Post-it note. Yeah. And so they built me like a nude body suit. And then I came out onto the set in this nude body suit and then, like a prop person had to slowly cover me and Post-it notes. It was super odd and I was like, I guess this is what you do when your TV show is a hit and they ask you to do the cover of a magazine, a man covers you and Post-it notes, Jenna, you should have worn it to an award show.


You would have been all the rage. Remember the lady at the Oscars? She was a wardrobe designer and she made her whole dress out of American Express cards, gold cards. Do you remember that? Yeah. Yeah. You could have shown up in a Post-it note couture gown. Well, lady, I think we know who needs to show up in a Post-it note tour down to something, and it's you. And this is in your future and it will happen.


I got.


So Michael is going to unveil his plan, you guys, to win back clients, he makes his big announcement. He's going to be delivering baskets door to door and then announce he's not going to warn anyone.


He's coming. Oh, yeah. It's a surprise gift basket, everybody. Ryan's not happy.


We have a Michael talking head where he's like, you know what he used to be told? He couldn't do things like be on the team or move on to second grade. Are we finding out in this episode that Michael was held back in first grade?


Yeah, I think we are. I think we're learning maybe he was held back more than once.


That sort of sounds, because then he's like I eventually went on to second grade and I was the biggest in the class. Eventually again, what happened in Michael's childhood? Why was he held back in first grade so many times? And now we cut back to the bullpen. And Jenna, people are starting to yell out things and we have some major Felicitas. She says, Michael, this is stupid.


She just lays it out. Lays it out. Yeah. And then Andy suggests he give away cash instead. Yeah. And then he says, Angela Cash for cash basket.


You guys cash basket became an inside joke for all of us on the office for years and years and years. Every once in a while, there would be some line or some joke that it just struck us as particularly funny in the moment. And we couldn't get over it. And Cash Basket was one of them.


I think if my memory serves Angela, there was a take where Ed was maybe late to saying cash basket. And so it came out like this cash basket, I think that made John Krasinski lose it. Well, I think it was the very first take in a few things happened. We hadn't really heard him say it full out, right? Yeah. So it kind of took all of us off guard. And John was like right there next to him when Ed was like cash basket and we just lost it.


But John really he really lost it.


I watched really closely because I was surprised they had a reaction shot of John at all in the scene, because my memory of doing the scene was that John was on the floor in tears, laughing the entire time because he couldn't get past cash basket.


Well, I did notice, though, because I was looking as well. He kind of is swiveling his chair around, but he glances back towards Andy and that is just John looking at it. That is not that is not Jim looking at Andy. He just has this look of like man like this guy's killin me today. Well, after I watched this episode, it really made me want to go to our office text thread and just text it. Oh, we should.


Well, Michael is just like forget it, guys.


I am going I'm going to do this. And then Dwight begs him, can I please go with you? I need this. And at twenty six minutes. Forty one seconds, Angela Martin is looking over the partition. She has a really great eye roll. But guys, look how how high my head is over that partition.


It's not realistic at all, really. And truly, that partition came up to my forehead and I would have to stand on my tippy toes to get my eyeballs over it to talk to Jenna. I was standing on the biggest apple box. It made me laugh when I saw it. I'm like, who is this tall person pretending to be me?


And I took a picture, Jenna, I'm going to show you that is amazing. Yes, there is no way that that is you standing there because your chin never cleared the politician, you know, naturally.


No, there's no way. Well, I really like this Michael talking head that comes up Angela, where he says, I'd like to see a website deliver baskets of food.


All I know, as if it's like a novelty. Hi. That's like half of Christmas is just sending people baskets. I send every one of my family a whole thing of mixed nuts. I love nuts. They're a big hit. A basket of mixed nut. Yes, all kinds of mixed nuts for sure, and there's I mean, guys, there's many flavors. There's the Cajun nuts, there's pecans are the caramelized ones. Just saying, Michael, people are doing it well, Michael is going to bring Dwight with him and they're going to deliver these gift basket and they are in the car now.


They're on their way. Here's one question I have, and these gift baskets are very, very large. Where are they? Where are they? Are they going back and forth to Dunder Mifflin? It looks like there's one in the back seat. Well, there's a camera operator in the back seat clearly filming that.


It seems like there's only room for one more, but we're going to see them deliver a few. Where are they coming from? Is that can one fit in the trunk? I don't know. I wondered where the bathroom how big is the trunk of a Ford Taurus?


That's a question, that's a question. Well, I have a thing I'm curious about, so Michael and Dwight are in the car, they're driving the GPS, starts talking to them. By the way, it looks like a Garmin. I remember because I had one for a while. Just think and. It's like, why do you use that it will let them know where you are, Michael is like, what are you talking about? And he's like the government, spy satellites, private detectives, ex-girlfriends.


And then he starts to cry. And Michael has no reaction. Wouldn't you be like, why are you crying, what is happening? Yeah, dude, probably dudes not like dudes out there. If your friend cries, are you not like, what's up?


Are you just, like, going to ignore it? Maybe he'll stop. Like, what is that? Is that that a dude bro thing? I don't know.


Well, we had a fan question about the scene. Carly Hendricks and Brendan Cullinan asked, how did you guys do the voicing? Was it a voice actor? And if so, who voiced it? Yes, it was it was a voice actor. It was an actress named Lynn Ann Zager. And we just hired her and she read all the voice stuff.


Well, she did great. She sounds like the real deal.


I know Jenna, my friend Myka, he is from Australia and he set his GPS to the ozone, the ozone layer.


So she's like, oh, take a right. No, you can do this. You can you can have like like I know you can have British, but he picked the Australian.


Oh, I kind of want to do this now. Yeah, I know it's great, except for Studio City. Oh my God, I kind of love that. You know, there's this app, this meditation app called Headspace.


I don't know if you've ever heard of it. And you can choose between either a male or a female. I guess meditation leader voice, I don't know what to call them, but they lead you through the meditation and you can pick a man or a woman. And the man sounds exactly like our Airwolf producer, Colin.


Really? Yes. To the point where I had to change to the woman, because as much as I love Colin's voice, I felt like I was like I was like, why is Colin, who talks to me about download numbers and ad sales, leading me through my meditation right now? It's really funny.


Jonah, what if we did navigation for people?


Oh, my gosh. What would that sound like?


It would sound like this. Lady, take a right, you are at your destination, I love it. It's really good. All right, we should get back to the episode. Oh, man, oh, man. I loved the scene. It's in the kitchen. And Ryan is trying to impress Andy and Kevin about his life in New York City.


And he's like, yeah, at two a.m., you know, I went to get a sandwich because you can get a sandwich at two a.m. New York City.


He literally bumps into Vince Vaughn.


Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's incredible. And Andy says you are so money, but you don't even know it, but you do know it.


And that was a quote from the movie Swingers. Yeah. Do you remember that movie? It was from nineteen ninety six. How could I forget that movie.


It was like all of my friends were struggling actors. We were all broke and doing all these different odd jobs to pay rent while trying to go on auditions. And it was like this movie we like felt seen scene.


We're like, this is yes. Oh my God. It totally encapsulated the sort of like young L.A. transplant lifestyle. And it was written by Jon Favreau and stars Jon Favreau and Vince Vaughn and Ron Livingston. Yes, directed by Doug Liman, it launched all of their careers. And I remember this. It features that club, the Dresden. Yeah. Do you remember the Dresden? It was this big swing dance club. Very hipster. Hipster. Yeah.


Yeah. Well, it's here are the things I have to read this off because it really got me tickled. You know, Jim is like, I can't believe you guys are impressed with this guy. You know, he's like whatever with Ryan and his two a.m. sandwich, you know?


And and Andy's like, listen, this is why Ryan is awesome. Are you ready? Yeah. Number one killer. Job number two, he's rich. Number three, smells like Pierce Brosnan. Number four, wears really cool rich guy clothes. Number five can get any girl he wants.


We'll see. We'll see. Well, now Michael and Dwight arrive to their first client. They're going to woo him back with their big gift basket. He is confused why they've come.


Yeah, also he's like, you don't have a website. We went with Office Depot because they have a really good website. Like what? I don't know why you're here.


Yeah, it's a very funny scene.


The actor who plays the client is named Edward James Gage, who, in addition to numerous acting roles, also spent 13 years as a real life private eye bounty hunter and bodyguard, according to his bio on IMDB.


OK, well, that's a pretty interesting resume there. Well, I have a question about the scene, I'm I was a little confused what this business was. So the character's name is Larry. The client's name is Larry. And if you look over his shoulder, what is the crazy machine behind him?


I've never seen anything like it. What is it? I don't know. And then it got me wondering, what is this company? Where have they gone? Do we ever find out? It was it bothered me. It was a big mystery for me.


It did not bother me. But didn't bother you. Didn't occur to you.


Now, I guess I have to go back and look at this machine.


Guys, check it out. What is it? There must be someone out there who knows what it is they're going to be like. Oh, they make widgets for plastic airplanes. Like it'll be obvious to someone. And I'd love to know. OK, me too.


Me too. Well, back at Dunder Mifflin, Ryan is going to do a real squeezy boss move.


He's going to go up to Pam and be like, hey, do you want to do some mock ups of the new Dunder Mifflin Infinity graphic? And and she's really excited. Her and Jim do an air high five. And then you have a very adorable talking head. Jenna, I literally wrote she's adorable off.


They're just like, yeah, I'm gonna do some mock ups, maybe a splash frame. It's really cute, but you're excited.


Well, Michael is going to deliver his second basket now. Second basket. Yeah, exactly, and this is where Michael is so great, I have to say Michael's argument that the personal touch means something, he walks in, he asks about the client's 11 year old daughter, Emily.


He remembered her name. He remembered she had a nut allergy.


I mean, yeah, impressive and genuine. Yeah. But then he has that line that breaks your heart.


Oh, I know. I know what you're going to say.


Yeah. He says, well, I have a few of my own I want someday talking about kids. Yeah. Michael Well the client's name is Erin Grandy. He is a partner in this law firm and he was played by Kevin Dorf. Kevin Dorff has had recurring roles on Brooklyn nine nine and Arrested Development, but most recently he played Bill O'Reilly in the movie Bombshell. And I loved that movie.


I haven't seen it. Is it bombshell? Is it a war movie or is it like Bartolini?


It's not a war. It's a little bit of a war movie because there are a couple of women who take on a movement. I guess you could say it's it's this amazing film. It's basically centers around Megan Kelly and Gretchen Carlson and their time at Fox News.


They were their news anchors, news anchors at Fox News or were and Kevin Dorff plays Bill O'Reilly in this movie. Oh, well, it's so good. Angela and the makeup department on this film won an Academy Award and the transformation that they do to make people look like the real people, like Charlize Theron plays Megan Kelly. She really, really looks like her. Like it freaked me out. I once shared a train with Megan Kelly. I didn't speak to her, but I sat right across from her on a train from New York to Washington, D.C. And so I've I've seen her in real life as well.


Huh? And I'm telling you what this makeup department did was I've never seen anything like it, but also the movie is amazing.


OK, well, Jonah, I'll add Bombshell to my cue. Please do. And we'll discuss after OK.


And how cool that how cool that Kevin has a part in it. I know. I also want to say in the scene, though, the background acting behind the glass doors over the client's shoulder, you get a glimpse at the law firm. It is hustle and bustle in their. There is so much going on. I mean, the background work is phenomenal. They're moving, they're moving and they're making it. They're making it. Yeah, well, Michael's really trying hard and he wants this client back.


He says, we want you back. And Dwight starts getting a little weird because he's just thinking about Angela and he goes, we had our chance and we killed it. And you just you just have this feeling that this is not going to go well for them.


Yeah, well, it's definitely not going to go well because the big moment is about to happen. I think we should take a break.


I like how you're setting this up, though. The big moment is about to happen. It's a big moment. It was a big stunt. Hey, it's not every day you drive a car into a lake, guys. And we're going to tell you all about it after this break.


All right, we are back, John and I are really excited because we have fun stuff to share with you about this car going into the lake. So here's the scene. Dwight says they have one more client. It's Elmhurst Country Club. I looked it up in a Elmhurst country club is in Moscow, Pennsylvania. Oh, in Lackawanna County. OK, so they're following the GPS and it's telling them to take a right. And Dwight is like Michael.


I think it means bear. Right, right. And Michael's like, no, it's telling me to take a hard right. And it's like, no, Michael, that's the lake. It's like Scranton. And Michael's like, no, it's the GPS is telling me. And he drives into the lake, right into the lake. Well, we got a lot of mail about the scene, David B., Rachel Kay, Rob Holland, Thomas O'Brien and many others all asked, please tell us everything you can about the scene where Steven Raine drive into the lake.


Did they really drive a car into the lake? Was there a camera operator in the back seat? Yes, folks, let's break it down, but yes to all of that, well, I started by reaching out to Steve and he said, yes, they really drove a real car into a real lake. He said they did the stunt twice all the way through, and that Randall, our camera operator, was in the back seat.


So, of course, Angelie had to reach out to Randall. Oh, what did he say? Well, first of all, do you know where he was when I reached out to him?


Listen, and knowing Randall, I mean, he was he on horseback somewhere? The guy is an adventure guy. Was he skydiving? Where was he?


He was just finishing up a river rafting trip in Idaho on a freezing cold lake.


Of course. Of course. But because Randall is awesome, he still broke down the whole stunt for me, which is completely fascinating from Idaho, from on his drive home, from Idaho, from the freezing Cold Lake, when I first reached out to him, he literally said, I'm just getting out of a lake, which was ironic, perfect. But I'll call you on my drive home. I was like, all right, amazing. Great. All right.


So he says, first off, they did not actually drive the car into the lake. They put the car on a system that hold it into the lake and stopped it at a certain depth. So there was a rig to make it look like they were driving into a lake on some type of track pulley thing.


Yeah, OK. And he said they did this because they needed to control how much water flooded into the car. Makes sense. Yeah. Yes. He said the car actually didn't even have an engine. They had to take it out. It didn't have a gas tank. It didn't have any oil. All of that was removed, submerged in water. I found that interesting. The. But he told me he really was scrunched in the back seat with a giant gift basket next to him, so he said at first they discussed just filming it on lipstick cameras that were in the visors.


We've seen them do that before. But Randall felt very strongly that it should be shot using the handheld camera from the back seat. So he kind of fought for that.


And is that because it just the look of it would be better? You would really feel that water coming in because it's just a better camera. Yeah. And you can't pan the lipstick cameras just like they're stationary.


They only get that one little window that you're seeing, whereas Yandle with a handheld camera could get the whole view.


Yes, exactly. He said that the camera that he was using, it cost upwards of one hundred and thirty thousand dollars. Holy cow. And he could not get it wet. He was told you cannot ruin this camera. And they put some kind of like protective housing on it, but he said he still had to, like, lift his butt off the back seat to keep the camera from dipping into the water. Oh, my God.


No pressure also. I mean, he's a big guy, and he scrunched in the back of his Ford Taurus with a gift basket and a camera that costs like I mean, my God, it's like as much as a house. He's holding a house. Yes, he's holding a house. Basically, he told me that for sound purposes, they had a wire on both Steve and Rain and they use these waterproof mic packs called The Countrymen Know, which Randall knew about from Survivor, because remember, he spent all that time on Survivor.


Yes. He said they also put mikes in the visors and they had boom operator standing outside of the car in water. So our boom guys were like and like those like rubber pants in the water. Yes. Randall confirmed that they did three takes, but they were losing daylight on the last one. And he's pretty certain that we use the first take because everybody's reactions to hitting the water were just so pure.


Yeah. And he said that there are only two cut points in the scene, so the first cut point is when the camera pans down to the GPS, that's when they cut into the car being on the rig. I mean, you can't even tell it's seamless. I watched it like five times and I couldn't figure out they did a great oh, they did it.


And he said and then after that point, it is all one shot until you see the shot of the basket floating in the water. And that's when they cut away and they reset to get all the stuff of Michael and Dwight crawling out of the lake. But all of that commotion of getting out of the car and like Steve hanging on to the passenger side window and opening the door, that was all one take. And that was what Randall was fighting for.


He was saying lipstick cams could have never, ever captured that. Yeah, I have a question. As Steve is making his way out and he's clinging on to the side of the car, he opens the back passenger door. And was that to let Randall out? Well, we had a lot of people write in about that. They said, is Michael trying to save the camera operator or the gift basket?


And I asked Randall and Randall said, my instinct would be the gift basket is like I never thought that Michael was opening the door for me. But I thought, it's funny. I gave credit to Michael. I thought Michael was trying to free the camera operator.


Yeah, well, at thirty five minutes, 17 seconds, there is a absolutely perfect shot. Of our camera operator, shadow across the lake, I saw that, too. I was surprised I didn't see Boom Mic Shadows. I was looking for Boom Shadows and I didn't see them. I was impressed.


But yes, the camera operator Shadow is there. Well, Jenna, I reached out to rain because I was like rain. What was it like driving into the lake? I texted him and he sent us an audio clip.


Sam, can you play it high office ladies? It's me, rain.


Angela called and asked me if I had any memories about driving into the lake. And my main fear wasn't like drowning or the car or anything like that. It was kind of like this water is not the cleanest and there's all these houses all over the place. And I just knew it was pretty sewage and I was just really afraid of an eye infection or something like that. It was like kind of a kind of eerily warm. The water was not cold at all, but it was super fun.


I mean, I love a chance to do a stunt. I was really excited to to be a part of it. And I mean, how often do you get to kind of drive your car into a lake? It was it was fantastic. So much fun to shoot. And I wish I had more specifics, but it was just one of those kind of days where you kind of like, wow, this is what I do for a living.


Today I'm playing a fictional weirdo and driving my car into a lake. And with Steve Carell, I mean, it was pretty it was pretty great. OK, I love you. Goodbye.


I love that rain's biggest concern was getting pinkeye. Yeah. I don't want to get a sty today, guys. Not today. I would have had so many concerns doing this stunt.


It did kind of gross me out that he said the water was oddly warm. And you have to remember, we filmed this at Malibu Lake and that is a manmade lake. So there isn't like anything flowing into it. You know, it is probably a little stagnant.


I have to point something out. When the tow truck pulls the car out, Jenna, the passenger door is shut, but Michael opened it. Oh, yeah.


And then the other thing I was thinking about was, did Michael and Dwight just happen to have their windows down because they they climb out through their windows. I'm like, were they driving around with their windows down? So there are a little moments like that that were just sort of like I was like, huh, OK, guys.


Well, when I was emailing with Steve about this scene, Angela, he reminded me that we got a lot of pushback after this episode aired because of this moment. He said people kind of thought it was a little over the top that it was unrealistic that someone would follow their GPS into a lake.


Yeah, people were like, no way. That would never happen. But he told me that the writers based this on a series of real life incidents of people following their GPS into perilous situations, so I reached out to Greg and he said this was a pitch by Jen Salada. So, of course, I had to follow this trail. I reached out to Janjigian, say. She said during the hiatus before season four, she went home to visit her parents in Maryland and she was sitting in the back seat of their brand new minivan.


She specified it was a Honda Odyssey minivan. She picked up the owner's manual and was reading about the minivans GPS system. She said that on the very first page of the manual, there was a warning that said, do not drive your car into any bodies of water, even if the GPS tells you to. And Jen was like, what? Who would do that? You know, Honda had to put that in there because someone had done it.


Yes. And she was like, wait a second. You know who would do that? Michael Scott would do that. Yes, he would. So she said before she pitched it because she was a little worried, it was too crazy of an idea. She researched this phenomenon and she said there were so many cases of people doing things like driving their cars off of a cliff or into water because their GPS told them to. She said usually it was a case where like maybe there was a bridge somewhere and it had been taken down and the GPS didn't know.


And it told you to drive across a bridge that didn't exist. But anyway, she brought it into the room and she pitched it and she showed all of her evidence for why this could really happen and it made it into the episode. Well, it's fantastic.


And you guys, she is right because I Googled it as well. There are so many stories online of people driving their cars into things because the GPS told them to hear of all of them that I read and there were so many I couldn't read them all. Here are two examples just to show you. OK, ok, ok.


In 2009, Robert Jones was using his navigation and West Yorkshire, England and the road began to steepen and narrow. But it kept telling him to keep going. It kept insisting the path was the road, he later explained, so he trusted it. Jones only realised how wrong he was when his car bumped up against a thin wire fence just inches from a one hundred foot drop. The car was taking him on the edge like the edge. There was no road.


He managed to get out safely, but the car remained balanced on the edge. It took a recovery team nine hours to haul the car away. Oh my. So this wasn't a road. It just was slowly like. It was like a road that, like, narrowed into this hill. It was like a cliff side. Yes. And then here's this.


In two thousand and eleven three women were visiting Bellevue, Washington, and they were out after midnight and they were unable to find their hotel. So they asked GPS. Right. That seems like a normal thing to do. GPS rerouted them and took them on what they thought was a road that would lead them to the highway. Instead, their SUV ended up sinking into deep water. The road turned out to be a boat launch. Oh, yes. And the water was a lake.


All three managed to get out safely, but by the time the tow truck arrived, the SUV was completely submerged. Quote from the end, this is the local fireman and Bellevue, Washington, was quoted as saying this. We've seen sitcom parodies of something like this, but to actually see it is surprising.


Well, I'm sure they were referring to our show. I think so. You know, when Lee and I were first dating. We went to France, this was our first big trip together as a couple that and we won. Yes. And we drove through the French countryside and we rented a car, but the GPS was in French. We weren't thinking, well, we've discussed Angela, but I know a little bit of a handful of French. So I say to Lee, I'll translate it.


This sounds like your first fight as a couple about to happen.


Honey, I'll translate the navigation in a foreign country where you're driving and you've never driven here before.


Oh, well, the problem was that it would take me a second to realize what the directions were.


And so there was this one turn where it would be like Tony Abbott and I would be like, turn right, turn right, but I was behind and we missed the turn. So we did this huge circle around to get us back to the spot. And the person would be like Tony Abbott. And I'd be like. Right, right, right. It's turn right. And we missed that turn like four times because of my lag in translating properly.


But it was more than that. She wasn't just saying that. She was like lots of French names of streets and somewhere embedded in there would be like turn twat. And I'd be like, right. I think right.


I feel like if it was you and I in the car and I'm driving and you're doing that, I'd be like the the real Southerner in me would come out like, did she say I'd want or not? Am I doing or not?


Well, you know, Angela and he is the most level person on the planet, man. Guys, he is so well tempered. He's so good natured, but unshakable, unshakable. Well, after the fourth time of me missing Turney and what he just goes, well, what the fuck? And I was like, oh my God, I broke him. I broke, like, the first time you ever heard him curse.


Yes, he was just I was like, oh, my God, does he still love me after forever? But actually, we laughed so hard about it after that. Really bad. Yeah. I was like, oh my God, I broke you in France. We laugh.


You didn't break the navigation lady.


Brokamp Oh my gosh. Guys, if you ever traveled to a foreign country and you're thinking you'll just rely on your GPS, you have to request the language.


Listen to listen, I won't take us down that road. But Josh and I had a fight in Scotland where he had to be driving on the other side of the road trying to do.


And now for a roundabout, it was like, I can't read anyway.


Roundabouts are so great, though. They really are so smart.


We should have roundabouts. No country. They are wonderful inventions. They're overwhelming at first because they are very foreign to us as American drivers. But truly, they are a wonderful way to control the flow of traffic. I feel myself needing to deep dive on the history of roundabout deep dive.


It probably goes back to the Romans or something, but doing a roundabout driving on the opposite side of the road and exiting the opposite way that you've never exited is a recipe for maybe one of your first big fights in a car.


Just saying, well, my pet peeve in America is that when we do have roundabouts, we put stop signs in them, which is not the point of a roundabout. Well, that's not how you do it. We're doing it. Right.


OK, well, guys. They do get out of the lake, they're soaking wet. And their big takeaway from this moment, the thing that they feel determined to do. To walk back to the previous client's office and reclaim their gift basket, Michael says they're going to take a stand. Also, Dwight's phone works his flip phone. Yeah, old tech alert. What I didn't understand about this was why they couldn't just take a cab. They have to walk.


Yeah, I don't know, I don't know because Dwights phone does work, but Michael's like, no, we're walking.


Well, back at the office, Ryan is reviewing some of Pam sketches for the new Dunder Mifflin Infinity logo, which, by the way, I thought were great.


Yeah, she did a great job. But that's not what really Ryan was there to talk about. Now, he wasn't really getting her sketches, he just wants to take her out to dinner and he was trying to be sneaky. Yeah, uh, well, she turned them down, and this is when she informs him that she is dating Jim, he's like, no way. Yeah, Ryan cannot get over the fact that both Karen and Pam have dated Jim and not him.


Yeah, well. Michael and Dwight make it back to this law firm, I loved the scene so much, I watched it three times. It's so good.


I mean, they walk in and they look horrible. They've been in a lake and they walked in wet clothes. Yeah. And I mean, Michael seems unhinged. Steve's performance is so good here. It is rooted in so much truth and hurt and anger.


Disappointment. It is so good. He demands their gift basket back when the guy finally brings the gift basket out, Michael notices that something is missing. The turtles. The turtles, he loses his shirt, tourky, poor Aaron, Aaron never saw this moment coming. He's like.


Yeah, he loses his mind over these turtles, and Aaron is like, I hate them, they were mine. This gift basket was mine for a minute, so I ate things from it. But Dwight is like, we'll bill you for it. Oh, my God, it's incredible stuff.


They just did that thing where they might have had a chance of getting him back and then they just burned it to the ground.


Yeah, yeah. Well, they come back to the office, they storeman. Michael proclaims that this office will no longer be using any new technology of any kind because he drove his car into a lake and effing like, well, that Oscar is like you did what it is like.


I drove my car into an effing lake and they bleep it out. And this was rare. We did not do a lot of bleeping on our show. But every once in a while, man, it's just funnier this way. It's just funnier this way. Yeah. He also wants everybody to know that unlike technology, gift baskets never endangered anybody's lives and he basically declares himself triumphant.


Yes, he does. And there's a very big Angela Martin role at forty minutes.


Forty three seconds as Michael declares himself the winner. But he doesn't just declare himself the winner. This is what he says to Ryan, his new boss. He says, game, set, match, point, Scott, game over, end of game. And then he tries one more, but he can't think of it, so he just walks into his office.


It's so good, it is so good. Michael ends it all with a final talking head and we see all of us eating from the gift basket in the conference room. I remember shooting that scene, remember? Yeah. We shot the scene earlier where we were looking at all the things. And I remembered I can't wait until we do the scene where I get to eat all this.


I was not in the conference room. Angela's having none of it.


Yeah, it's too bad because they were so there was some good stuff. You know, I remember how you guys were actually excited in real life to open up those packages.


And and then ultimately we end the episode with a Ryan talking head. He's still gloating about his new Schmalensee life. He says, you know, he's not saying he had a meteoric rise, but, you know, but I guess he did and that his haircut was two hundred dollars. He's just being such a tool. And lady, there are some great extras in the deleted scenes of Ryan bragging about New York. He has a whole thing with Jim about like, well, you know, in New York.


And Jim's like, yeah, I actually I've been there. And he's like, no, no, no. But it's different. You've got to live there. Like, you don't you can't really understand what I'm talking about because you haven't lived there.


So, you know. Sorry. Yeah. But anyway, they're really funny. That's too bad. I really love the scene between him and Jim.


He just would not let it go. Well, that's it guys. That finishes out Dunder Mifflin Infinity, Dunder Mifflin Infinity.


And up next, Joanna is what launch party launch party launch party kevans. A party launch party.


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