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And Pepper?

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Our way with yours truly, Paul Anka and my buddy Skip Bronson is a production of iHeartRadio. Hi folks, my name is Paul Anka.

And my name is Skip Bronson. We've been friends for decades, and we've decided to let you in on our late night phone calls by starting a new podcast.

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They're leaders in entertainment and sports, innovators.

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We ask the questions they've not been asked before. Tell it like it is, and even sing a song or two.

This is our podcast, and we'll be doing it our way. Skip, I want to hear what you sound like with bubbles. It's pouring here, flooding all over Westlake. How you doing, Paul? Hey, I'm doing it.

You know what, Paul?

They're talking about it like it's going to be an epic storm, but so far, just getting a little bit of rain. But last know, the animals were lining up in pairs, so I'm hoping it's not like that. So meanwhile, in other news, we've got Jason, your son in law, coming on to do the podcast. How excited am I, man? He's coming out to the house, and you're going to love him. Well, you know, man, he's all over you at the golf course. He always calls me about the laughs you guys have, and we're going to get into that with him. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that'll be fun. I have to tell you the funny thing about him. Two things that resonate with me is, number one, if you're wearing something that he likes, he'll say, wow, that sweater. Where'd he get that sweater? He says it in a way that you feel obligated to go out and buy one for him, which you do, of course. Then you get a great response from him after. But my other favorite thing with him is it doesn't matter what you've done in your career. Doesn't matter how many shopping centers you develop, like I did back east, or the tallest building between New York and Boston, or working in the casino industry and developing casino projects.

We say, hey, you know what? Nobody knows what you do. I do. I'm like, really? Really? No one. That's the younger set, Skip. No, it's him and his busting. He's one of the great busters of all time. Yeah, exactly. But, you know, we got to do. He's a golf addict, as you know. Got to tell him the story of you and Michael Jordan when you played and beat him out of all that money. Make a note of that. Make a note. You got to talk to him about that tomorrow he'll get a big kick out of that. That's great. You know, another thing I want to do, I want to ask Jason about the way he asked you if it.

Was okay to marry and Amanda.

I'd love to hear that story. So that'll be fun. Yeah, I got a note on that, too. The other thing with Ozarks, of course, being a smash hit, but we got to talk about arrested development and how that came about. And smart list, of course, is like the smash podcast of all time. He's having a blast with that. How about a blast that they sold it for millions. I saw. Yeah. I mean, that eases up for me. That's one less of five girls that I have to take care of. Not that I wouldn't, but I'm happy for them. They're swinging, and they deserve it. We'll have fun with him, Skip. We'll have fun. Yeah. No, it's going to be great. All right, so I'm going to go, and I'll catch up with you later. Yeah, I'll catch you later. And don't go out. Don't get on your arc yet. And I'll let you know if I can escape my driveway with the gate and everything. And I'll talk to you tomorrow. You know I love you. Yeah, love you, too. Stay warm. Okay. Tomorrow. Bye.

It is a pleasure to be here.

Well, thanks for coming to know each other.

Yeah, a little bit. We do go back. How long? What is it, 24 years? I want to say 20.

Yeah. I was living up on mall Holland, which was about 24 years ago, and Amanda, the wonderful Amanda, for the first time, came home with a serious boyfriend.

Now, did you know that I was serious before I showed up? Like, did she prep you like, dad, this could be the one.

Yeah.

Really? What'd she say?

Dad, this could be the one.

Something like that.

You must have told her.

I just told her. Just include the part. The Jason Bateman the one.

Well, no. To qualify for everyone out there, I got the greatest son in law right here. I've not only been blessed with some great children, but I got the greatest son in law here. So this is kind of a different trip for me, being on this side of the mic, because one of my great experiences this year was sitting with you guys having a great time. I mean, it was a big month for me, Bill Burr, you guys coming off of Howard Stern. I mean, what's next, right? But anyway, Amanda comes home, and I know she's in love, and I do the homework, I guess. RJ Wagner introduced you guys?

Yeah.

RJ.

Yeah, something like that.

Somebody in the Wagner family.

Katie or Natasha. Yeah.

So I was hip that something was up and everybody got it together. And the next thing I know, I went for the expensive wedding.

Yeah, you did. And you changed my way into his way and saying that somebody was talking to me the other day, they're going to propose to their girlfriend. And I talked to him about. He said, well, shouldn't I fly the mom and dad in for the moment I propose. I said, no, what are you talking about? That's going to be your moment with you and your fiance. But it might not be bad to do the traditional talk to dad first and say, I'm going to ask your daughter. We had that conversation, didn't we?

We did.

Help my small brain.

Yeah.

How did that go? Where was that remind me of?

I think it was up at the house. Yeah.

Was I over there with Amanda? Did I pull you into a side room? Why am I. I must have been so nervous, I blacked out.

Yeah. You'd been going through a few things at that time. You were recalibrating. May I say that? Yeah, a recalibration.

I think I'm still in it.

Yeah. Very successfully, may I add, which I was hip to, but it goes back to off point. I started at 14 and God knows what an amazing career you've had. Ten. And people just don't understand when you start at that age. None of us are from sophisticated backgrounds. None of us. Any singer I've met, anybody that I was a fan of. We all come from these modest backgrounds. And when that shit is thrown at you and you have to deal with success in that abnormal premise of life, it ain't easy.

It's not easy. And you're looking to make it easy in a situation that's challenging mentally, spiritually and complicating everything is that you're in such a permissive environment as you're becoming famous, people are allowing you to be not your best self.

That's right.

And gravity is pulling you towards not your best self to compensate for the challenges of all the mental and spiritual stuff. So, yeah, you need good people around you to try to carve out a groove that is functional, that will sustain such that you don't have to make a bunch of apologies as you really do get your feet under you over a couple of years.

You're crawling. You're crawling through life. I found. Till you get to some juncture of wisdom where you're able to compute what's going on to say, wait a minute.

Did that come quick enough for you, or did you have. I certainly had some challenges.

Yeah, you've had challenges. You've overcome yours, mine. It was a little different because I came out of the 50s, so it was a different time.

Less challenging, do you think?

Well, it was challenging in certain ways, but I was protected. I had a great family, good father and mother, even though I lost my mom at 18. Great guy in Irving Feld who was my manager. But, you know, I saw all the shit around us. I mean, I had guys on the bus when we were tour shooting up heroin. I won't mention who, but the drugs were around.

Well, we can. Skip, good that you're still with us. From that bus with the needles all the way here to the podcast.

He knows all about that.

Good for you.

Back in your turf. Off of that, what interests me, I've seen Jason do all these amazing things, and then all of a sudden, out of know, Amanda rarely calls me with any big. Just, she's a sweetheart. Dad, Jason is thinking of playing golf. Can you believe it? He's going to play golf. And you got to tell your friend Skip whatever he can do. We don't want him playing golf. I'm going. Amanda.

Skip ended up being a great lubricant to get me into the club. He's the rainmaker.

He's the guy, Skip. And you know the rest of the story. How did you maneuver it? How did that all fit into that flow you guys were into?

What's that? Golf. Golf.

I mean, that's time consuming.

It's very time consuming. But I don't do anything else unless I'm working. There's probably no coincidence that a lot of actors play golf because you're either acting right where you're working at least 12 hours a day, or you're doing zero. You're literally trying to figure out how to get some days behind you on your way to your next job. You're constantly getting hired and fired. Right? So, for me, and I hope this doesn't sound like spin, it does to Amanda, but it's sincere. It's so challenging to me, golf that it actually keeps me mentally sharp because it's so hard for me. So it's a very challenging thing for me to do while I'm waiting to get hired to go do something equally challenging, which is, for me, directing. Acting is super comfortable, but directing is fully immersive.

We'll get to that after. It's amazing what you're doing with that, but then you got baseball. I mean, you love your. But you're not in any short term copies here. These are all day items.

I watch every dodger game, but I'll split it up over 24 hours. I'll watch a few innings before I go to bed and then a little more in the morning. I'm also the commissioner in my fantasy baseball league, so it's all very attractive stuff. Women go crazy when they hear all this stuff.

It's not a sexy sport. Do you think baseball is sexy? I don't.

It is not. Well, first of all, it's a game, I think, not a sport.

But of all the games, I mean, it's not the sexiest game out there.

No, it's not. It doesn't attract real supreme elegance like basketball. But anyway, I dig it. I dig the history of it.

I have a story about that, because golf has always been an important part of my life. And I might argue that I'd be in a psychiatrist's office if not for golf. Some people go to psychiatrists because of the way they play golf. But you're talking about a golf versus sport versus game. So when I was involved with Steve Wynn developing casino resorts, Steve had an idea to build the greatest exclusive golf course in America called Shadow Creek.

Yeah.

Amazing.

One of a kind.

Anne took me out there once.

Yeah.

She loved Amanda's mom. Yeah.

And at the time, no one had ever spent $25 million on a golf course. This was $75 million.

Wow.

Incredible. Incredible place. And one day, Steve's brother in law, Mike Pascal said to me that Michael Jordan was coming out. It was the height of his career, early 90s. Wanted to play the golf course. Said, would you like to play with him? I said, are you kidding? He said, he likes to play for a lot of money. I figured, look, whatever I lose to him would be less than what I would bid in a celebrity auction to play golf with Michael Jordan. So who cares? So off we go. Go to play golf. And with golf being the great equalizer, as it turns out, I wound up beating him. No way. The end of the round, we're standing behind the 18th green, and I said, you know, golf is just an incredible sport. It's the only sport where just a businessman like me could beat a world class athlete like you. And he looked at me and he went, yeah. Fucking amazing. And I wanted to say to him, no, what I meant is, what could I beat you at? Running? No. Swimming? No. Throwing a ball? No. But golf.

What was the handicap breakdown?

Do you remember at the time, I was a six. And he was a six.

Oh, really?

And at that time I was amazed because he would hit some shots like a tour player and then it would take him two to get out of a bunker, right? But later that night, I walked into the casino and there's a commotion going on. I said to one of the casino hosts, what's going on? He said, oh, michael Jordan's over there playing in the casino. I said, oh, wow. So I walk over in his direction and I get within about 30ft of him and his head, of course, is above everybody else and it's like a periscope. And he sees me and he calls me over and I'm thinking, wow, give.

Me some of that money again.

No, this is cool. I'm being called out by Michael Jordan. So I walk over to said, hey, skip, you know, I was thinking about what you said to me at the end of the round. He said, golf's not a sport, it's a game. Because it was sport you couldn't fucking beat, right?

That's true.

And I thought to myself, whoo, did I get in his kitchen. This was like six or 7 hours later and it was still there. But of course, that's his competitive nature, right?

Well, it was all over Vegas. Every time I was there. Everyone in town wanted to play with him because everybody beat him. When I tell you it's 100,000 a game, 200,000, I don't think he ever won as much as he lost. And everyone wanted to play with Michael. Pit bosses bell hops because they all won all the time.

You're talking about on the tables or on the golf course?

No, on the golf course.

Oh, really?

Oh, yeah. But think about to this day when they do the lists.

I just saw Charles Barkley did a list of the greatest basketball players. And when it gets to number one, you already know who it is. Right? You know, before it's over, you know who the number one is. You could argue who's the greatest athlete in a given sport. But basketball, it's Michael. He's the guy. And what a life this guy has made for himself. And golf is still a critically important part of his life.

I wonder if he's still a six.

Probably. But are you still a six? No.

What are you now?

I think I'm eight index.

An eight index would put you at about a twelve or 1314 maybe.

Well, depends from what teas. Either a ten or twelve, depending from what teas.

And, Paul, you avoided the Addiction, right? You never met.

I guess that killed me with golf I made like $3 a week. And I worked at the shoddy ear golf club, and I was a caddy, but they didn't have the carts. And I was carrying these goddamn bags every weekend to make $3. But my cousin was a great golfer. But I said, what is this game? You fucking people are crazy. And I kept carrying these bags. I went home. I think I slept, like for two days. Thank God I took up piano and music instead of golf.

But I went out so much time in Vegas and these incredible places around the world. You live on a frickin'golf course, right.

I avoided know I played, but I wasn't getting the satisfaction. You know what I decided when you're a writer? Well, you know, you can address this. When you're a writer and you're doing music and you're that young and you're traveling like I was. I didn't have the time.

Yeah, it is a time to go.

Out and do it. So I said, I'll go do tennis. So I'd go hit a tennis ball for about an hour and a half. I started real young, and today I still play tennis. I play with my son Ethan, pickleball. But golf, I get it. It's just I don't have the time to do it. And if I can't be a certain caliber in some things, and it's so frustrating.

You know what I find? I find at this stage? It used to be that I cared more about what I shot than who I played with. And now I care more about who I play with than what I'm going to shoot. Because I've had rounds in the 60s. I've done everything you can do in golf. I'm not going to be able to do that anymore. I said to Jason a few weeks ago, I sent him a text, and I said, playing golf with two of the guys that you really like to play with. John McEnroe. Right. And Doc Rivers. Do you want to play? And he wrote back, sounds good. Let me check. Now, I know that's code for talk to Amanda, right? So he said, let me check. Then he wrote back, I just found out I'm babysitting. So I'm wondering, is he really babysitting or doesn't want to play? But then I thought, it's Jason. Of course he wants to play.

He always wants to play. Always.

Yeah.

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And Pepper?

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He's got the greatest kids, I tell you.

Maple and Franny.

Maple and Franny. I mean, watch any of your grandchildren go from yay all the way up into adulthood.

They love you.

And they are, what do they call you?

Jeddo.

Jeddi. I spoke to Francesca recently because we check in with each other now. I've got a grandchild. You call her. She's in Paris, south of France. Right. So I was asking her the other day. I said, so what's going on? She I want to go to colleges. I said, when you're going? She says, in a few weeks. So she gave me a couple. I said, I think I can help you. We'll put that aside. So I said, have you ever watched any of dad's shows? Have you watched Ozark? She said, we just started watching. I've seen the first series. Really, Jason, tell me about it.

Me tell you about, yeah, I want.

To hear your take on it.

On her watching.

Yeah.

You know what's interesting about both of them is that they have zero desire to see anything I've done. It's like pulling teeth. I mean, I sort of gross myself out by getting caught up in trying to convince them to watch something that I'm in because it sounds like I'm dying for them to sit there and fawn over me and what I've done. But it's just super. I, if they were on something, in something or Amanda or you or skip or anybody I know I would be. They. I think it's weird for them to watch me pretend to be somebody different than their dad, than they know. Yeah. In fact, we have some friends that are also on television or movies or whatever that they're very close with that they knew years before, for instance, Aniston. Franny thought Jennifer Aniston just sold hair products because she saw some hair products around her house that she was selling or whatever. She didn't know she was an actor until, I mean, Franny was probably twelve before she knew that Jen was on tv. And so now when you talk to her about it, she doesn't even really want to watch friends or something like that, although they have and they do.

But it's an interesting thing anyway, so she likes what she sees and she's actually interested in directing, so we talk a bit about that. But then I said to her the other day, I go, you know, it's amazing to me that you're interested in directing and you really want to find out what it's all about, yet you have no interest in seeing the things that your father has directed. Where I could tell you firsthand information about how that shot was created when I had the idea for that, or what's the apparatus behind it. She'd rather learn through other things.

And you're really into directing now. I mean, you love your acting. Still, every time we've talked, directing has got you sizzled. What's the buzz for you on that? Is it working with the actors or is it the technical or both?

It is both, but it's mostly, I'll bet anybody can relate to in any occupation, the extent to which you can help shape an experience for a customer. It is really exciting. You do it with writing music. Skip, we're going to get into whatever the hell it is you do. No one can figure it out. I've talked to a lot of people, my wife's included.

Yeah.

But they know I do it well.

You're the king.

Yeah, but of what is it? I don't know.

I don't know. But if you want something done in this world, you go to skip Bronson. But it's creating fake life such that it is convincing, it feels real to someone who's watching it. And then you kind of spike it a bit so that it's not only just real, which takes 90% of the work, but that it's also interesting and compelling. It's either funny or it's dramatic, and that takes a visual component or musical component or performance component or editorial strategy or whatever it is. You have all these levers in front of you, like a mixing board in music, and you can raise up this or that to help move the audience a little left, a little right. Control is sort of a pejorative. I don't mean it as one, but it is that control, that challenge of control where you are sort of dictating what the audience is seeing through that little paper tube that I grew up looking through a little paper towel tube. And that's kind of, to me, what?

Still not easy. Who are the guys that you. I hate the word admire, but who are the guys that really do that well for you?

Stanley Kubrick was a big great. I love David Fincher.

You've always talked about Fincher. Yeah.

I just find his esthetic and his taste, the things that sort of get him excited with composition or even color, temperature and all this other stuff.

So when you did Nike, it must have been a blast working with Ben.

Affleck and Matt Damon.

Was that a different take for you? What did you learn from that?

It was nice to see another actor directing. He seems to enjoy the efficiency of that. Like I do when I direct. When I'm acting in that, I'm in the scene with the other actors, so I can kind of direct them while we're performing, or I can help make a camera move work by adjusting where I'm standing because I notice the camera is a little out of position. These things are fun challenges for me. And he seems to understand the process and is so comfortable with the process that he's able to take on a lot of things while he. In between action and cut, when he's acting, he's also helping with the directing.

When you were around Ron Howard on development, but didn't you direct at 18?

Yeah, the first thing I did was an episode of a show I was doing when I was 18 called the Hogan family.

Hogan family.

It started with Valerie Harper. It was called Valerie, then it was Valerie family. Valerie's family, then the Hogans and the Hogan family. And, yeah, I directed an episode of that when I was 18. And that's in front of a studio audience, so there's more of a proceedium, right? Sort of an edge like a theater. And the cameras stay on the outside of that edge. Actors are on the inside. So the directing of it is much like directing a play, more so than directing a film that's shot with just one camera. So it's a little bit different. Not quite as complicated as directing single camera stuff.

Where did you finish high school?

On a never finished high school.

I was in grade ten for two years.

Yeah. I do not have my diploma.

I finished at MGM in the back lot. I was doing a movie called Girlstown with Mamie van Doran.

Wow.

And I was hot. Yeah, she.

That sounds better than the film I was doing.

I finished high school with a kid named Jay north who was doing Dennis the menace. Oh, really? And he and I were in class and I got my diploma. So you never got a diploma from.

No, I was doing team wolf two during the final period of my senior year, and so I had to do my finals while we were shooting. And the shooting schedule was such that I didn't have time to finish two of my four finals. And so I was an incomplete. And I remember going to the headmaster, I don't know, months afterwards, I was driving by the school and I pulled over and just kind of unannounced, went into his office and I said, Mr. Makoff, I don't get my diploma. I mean, I finished the classes. I just didn't take two of the finals. Yeah, no, sorry. I said, well, you said, you can take the GED. I said, well, no. Can we think about it? Months later, I got a solicitation from them to donate to the school. So I called them back. I said, you want to check? Yeah.

So talk about luck for a second. I mean, as a real estate developer, I got a lucky break.

There we have it. He's officially a real estate developer. That's the official one.

But everything from shopping centers to casinos and everything in between, Paul and I have talked about hit the lucky breaks that he's gotten. So what was the lucky break for you?

Well, I would probably say that the biggest break I've ever had was the second break I had, which was arrested development. The first one was little house in the prairie when I was ten. That was kind of the first big job I had, but I kind of rode that parlayed into the next job and the next job, and then doing comedy and doing sitcoms and things like that. And then things really kind of got quiet for me during my hard to get back into any sort of level of success or access or relevance. And then arrested development came around, and that was a show that, while it wasn't really seen as a big hit across the country, it was a big hit amongst those who hand out jobs here in Hollywood.

Yeah, and big dvd sales.

Yeah, and dvd sales. Very big.

But your dad was an actor. I didn't realize your dad was an actor.

Actor, writer, producer, director.

Yeah, but did you grow up in Rye, New York?

No.

I was born there till I was and lived there till I was two, then Boston till four, then Salt Lake City till seven, and then LA. But once we got to LA, I was old enough to go to see movies with my dad. I was finally old enough to kind of appreciate some of the films that he was seeing or starting to get old enough. And so he would take me to the local art house theaters and show me these movies that I'd have to read subtitles, and they were kind of artsy fartsy, but he would show me what great acting is or great directing is and explain what it is and how it happens. So that when I was ten, we had a neighbor that was reading for a movie, and he was on his way to an audition. He was my dad's age, my dad's friend, and he saw me out front in the driveway helping my dad wash the car, and he stopped and maybe assumed that I wasn't too interested in washing the car with my dad. And he asked me if I wanted to go along with him to this audition, just to see how an audition goes.

And I said, sure. My dad said, yeah, go ahead. So I went with him this audition. They were reading for the role of the sun the same day, and the character was the same age as me. He said, hey, why don't you go in and read for the sun? And I said, well, I'm not an actor.

Yeah, here's the.

They give you a little piece of the script, like two or three pages to see if you can act, called the sides, right? And he said, just head on in there and make it look like you're supposed to be there. And when they say you're not on the list, say, that must have been some mistake. So I did that, and I auditioned for it and I got the part. And so I came home, I told my dad, and I said, hey, will you take some pictures of me? Let's send them into an agency and see if I can get an agent and maybe start reading for some commercials. So I did. I got a handful of commercials. And they start sending you out for bigger stuff.

How old were you?

I was ten.

You were ten and you said, dad, let's go to get an agent.

Yeah. I probably said, I like this. Maybe I'm good at this. What should we do? He says, well, we should get an agent. I go, how do we do that? Well, let's take some pictures and send them in. You know, I had this stupid bowl haircut and a halfway decent smile with a dumb gap between my teeth. I look like I could sell cereal or know.

Speaking of pictures, I saw a picture of your dad and they said it's Greg Kinnear.

He looks a lot like.

Yeah, Greg Kinnear.

That's right. That is another fellow.

Absolutely.

Yeah, that's right. He does a little bit like Greg Kinnear. He got Steve McQueen a bit when he was younger. Lucky guy. Yeah. No, he's a great, great man. That taught me basically everything that I know and sparked the interest in me. I mean, had he been throwing the ball with me in the park instead of taking me to these movie theaters when I was a kid, maybe I would have gone into sports. I certainly would have been better at golf than I am today.

But you know what's amazing? You started as a child actor, if you will. Probably don't like the term. And then there were child actors, you know, leave it to Beaver. And that's it. I mean, that's the end of their career. Had a big career, but that's the end of the career. And you've taken it all the way through.

Yeah, it was.

And your career has gotten bigger and bigger and bigger.

Very lucky about that. And that was part of that big break with the rest of development because that was the first big job I got as an adult. I'd sort of gassed my welcome as a child or a young adult. Young actor. There is that transition one needs to make that bridge to adult parts and ask the audience to accept you as somebody with stubble instead of being a little tyke. And that job was really important for that. And I was very aware.

And for me too. Big sigh of relief.

Yeah.

Because I knew you could take care of my daughter from there. One off the payroll because the others I had five son in, lost a balance. I couldn't sign the checks quick enough. But that was your big change.

It was nerve wracking. And I don't know if you remember, but when Amanda and I first started thinking about getting Married, I was living with her. I think I was broke, I was in debt. And were it not for the money that Amanda had made as a voiceover artist, she was doing campaigns for ads, doing commercials and doing voices for cartoons and stuff like that. She had a bunch of money that we needed for the down payment on a. It was. It was nerve racking thinking that the rest of my life might be anticlimactic from that, which was my youth and arrested development.

It's scary for all of us. People out there just think it's all glamor. We do what we do. But when you get that needle up your arm of success and all of this stuff, that's really abnormal. There's a moment there where you sit and go, God, I don't want this to ever go away. Yeah, it's a tough way to live. Because two things. When I started as a kid and all of this started to happen, I said, how do I not become an asshole?

Right.

Because people are just catering and doing, and you're still trying to find yourself.

Yeah. You got to understand that you wake up alone, you go to sleep alone, or rather the things you think about or who you are, right when you are trying to go to bed or right when you wake up, that's the person that you need to be comfortable with. And if you've been an asshole all day, you're going to feel bad about yourself when you're going to bed or when you wake up. And so for me, that was kind of the behave in a way that, not that I'm allowed to be, but that I am comfortable being because there's a big difference there.

Speaking of difference, Jason, the leap over to Ozark into that other know from that great wit and that you had, was that difficult jumping over into you're a money launderer, whole mafia kind of thing. Was there any interpidation as to anyone around you? Are you saying I can pull this off? Yeah.

Well, what I do as an actor in comedy versus as an actor in drama are not terribly different. And I'm not trying to be modest. It's just I like to play us. Right. So the comedic character I play is usually pretty close to the median. And the dramatic character I play is usually close to the middle as well. In that I'm usually not the guy farting. I'm the guy reacting to the fart. Or in drama, I'm not the guy with the knife. I'm the guy running from the knife. The move that I make from doing comedic acting to dramatic acting is not a big, huge swing for me. And thus I feel not a lot to ask the audience to buy. As long as I'm not trying to be wacky comedy or super scary drama.

Guy, then a lot of actors can't pull that off.

Yeah, I don't mind doing those big swings, but I enjoy more being us. I like being the person that's sort of the proxy for the audience. And it's probably why I'm attracted to directing, because, again, I've got the audience in my hands. And I'm trying to identify or declare what this scene is about, what you should be receiving as an audience in this scene. And then when I'm acting in something I'm directing, I've kind of got two hands on the wheel. So I can therefore take on things that have a little bit more of a specific creative tone or objective and feel decent about the ability to hit that small target, since I'm on camera and behind the camera as well.

So question to all of that. The music business is going through a lot of change, and where are you at with the coming? It's here anyway, artificial intelligence. What are the intelligentsia thinking as to, oops, there's some changes coming, and it could be this, and here's what's going to happen, and here's in and here's out. What's your feeling on that? Because it's real.

To be honest, I'm not as educated on it as I would need to be to really take a firm position, either worried or confident. My sister is super educated on it. She's got a very strong opinion about whether it's a healthy thing or not a healthy thing. I don't know nearly as much as she does about it, but my general instinct is that it's going to be challenging for sure, but that the net will be great for everyone eventually. And the comparison I will make is what you were saying, which is the music industry. It was uncomfortable at the beginning. Artists like yourself had to realize, uncomfortably that you're not going to be making any money selling albums anymore in comparison to years past, and that you'd have to pivot and adapt to maybe more touring or more merchandise or whatever the other lanes are of monetization that were not being automated or were not being affected as much through technology because the automotive industry went through it. All these assembly line workers, they were kicking and screaming, as they should have been, about losing their jobs to automation and robots and whatnot. But it just took some time for them, I'm sure, to retrain and adapt to another area of the business that they could make a living in.

Because you can't stop these bosses from saying this robot can do the job of ten workers, so you're out of a job.

It's going to be a whole new infrastructure. You mentioned your sister. I follow you on television and I'm listening to you all the time, right? With that great wit, and you always have an answer. But one interview you did let me think, Howard Stern. You were on with Howard Stern, and you know, howard, I mean, he's the best at what he does. And he said he got on the subject of your sister and you and acting and skip. He said, oh, yeah. Let me ask you this. Would you cast your sister as your lover? Can you stick your tongue in her mouth? He did the full menu. Do you remember that interview?

I think so. But again, I was probably too nervous to remember all of it, but I bet my answer was what?

It was great. I mean, you got out of you, you jive to the left and then to the right. You kept saying, you're changing the subject. And you said, yeah, if we were acting and she was doing the part, absolutely, I'd do it. He said, you would, howard. He piled everything. You were amazing the way you answered her.

I'm surprised my answer wasn't already did.

It.

Because we did too late. I remember when we were doing arrested development, the showrunner and I, Mitch Herwitz, we were talking about how to get Justine on the show. I think the fans were asking for it or something. We're trying to figure out what would be a fun way to bring her on. And him know, the genius, sort of crazy creative mind. He said, well, why don't we bring her on as a whore and you hire her as the whore, this prostitute? I said, how would that work? So she came on arrested development as a high class call girl that I hired, if I'm remembering correctly. And there may have even been a moment where we didn't lean in towards each other to kiss each other, but I think there was tension in a scene about maybe that we might something like that. It's a long time ago, but I remember that being like, oh, my God, we're going to bring Justine on and she's going to be a prostitute that I hire. And it ended up working. It was pretty funny.

Yeah. But that Howard really stuck out in my mind.

He knows how to ask a question.

Yeah, and you know how to answer them, too. You're fast on your feet.

One of the best shows of the year according to Apple, Amazon. And time is back for another round. We have more insightful conversations between myself, Paul Muldoon and Paul McCartney about his life and career.

We had a big bear of the land called Mal Evans, and I was coming back on the plane and he said, will you pass the salt and pepper? And I misheard him. I said, what salt and pepper?

This season we're diving deep into some of McCartney's most beloved songs. Yesterday, band on the run hagered and McCartney's favorite song in his entire catalog here, there, and everywhere. Listen to season two of McCartney, a life and lyrics on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hi, I'm Susie Esman.

And I am Jeff Garland.

Yes, you are. And we are the hosts of the history of curb your enthusiasm podcast. We're going to watch every single episode. It's 122, including the pilot, and we're going to break them down.

By the way, most of these episodes I have not seen for 20 years.

Yeah, me too. We're going to have guest stars and people that are very important to the show, like Larry David.

I did once try and stop a woman who was about to get hit by a car.

I screamed out, watch out. And she said, don't you tell me what to do.

And Cheryl Hines, why can't you just lighten up and have a good time? And Richard Lewis, how am I going.

To tell him I'm going to leave now?

Can you do it on the phone? Do you have to do it in person? What's the canceling cable?

You have to go in.

He's a human being.

He's helped you.

And then we're going to have behind the scenes information. Tidbit.

Yes, tidbit is a great word.

Anyway, we're both a wealth of knowledge about this show because we've been doing it for 23 years. So subscribe now and you could listen to the history of Kerber enthusiasm on iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you happen to get your podcasts.

Hey, this is Dana Schwartz. You may know my voice from Noble Blood, Haley Wood, or stealing Superman. I'm hosting a new podcast, and we're calling it very special episodes.

One week, we'll be on the case with special agents from NASA as they crack down on black market moon rocks.

H. Ross Pro is on the other side, and he goes, hello, Joe. How can I help you? I said, Mr. Pro, what we need is $5 million to get back a moonrock.

Another week, we'll unravel a 90s Hollywood mystery.

It sounds like it should be the next season of true Detective or something. These canadian cops trying to solve this 25 year old mystery of who spiked the chowder on the Titanic set.

A very special episode is stranger than fiction. It's normal. People plop down in extraordinary circumstances. It's a story where you say, this should be a movie. Listen to very special episodes on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you.

Get your podcasts at one of the most famous restaurants in the world. There's a table in the corner where the most incredible conversations on the planet are happening every week with owner Ruthie Rogers and amazing guests like Martha Stewart.

I did have an affair with one.

Of his best friends, Jimmy Fallon.

You want a zip line over your.

Dad while he gets attacked by alligators and Paul McCartney?

John and I hitchhiked to Paris.

We've saved you a seat. Ruthie's table four. Listen to Ruthie's table four on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

Speaking of interviews, let's talk about your podcast for a minute.

Marvelous.

It's one of the top podcasts in the whole world until you guys go past it. Whose idea was it to first do a podcast?

Will Arnett said to me one day, he know I'm going to do a podcast. I go, really? He said, yeah. I said, why? Because our budy Dax Shepard is making so much money at it. He goes, but now what I want to do. What's it about? He goes, I think he said it was going to be something about sobriety or something. He's going to call it the journey. I said, that sounds fucking boring. Sounds like a hiking show. I said, tell you what, do whatever you want, but let me be on it. I'm going to be on it with you. I said, I'm going to be on it with you, and we're going to get some of that money. He no, no, you're not invited. It's just going to be mine. I said, no, no. I said, I'm doing it. He said, no, you're not. I said, I'm doing it. And I think I left the room or something. Then I ran into Sean Hayes the next night at some party, and I decided to tease him a little bit, try to get him jealous. And I told him that Will and I were going to go do a.

I said, no, no. He says, I'm in. I'm like, great. Call, Will. So I told. Said, you know, heads up, Sean's coming in. He's going to be on it, too. He goes, no, God damn it. It's mine. So Sean ended up asking his folks at his production company to just run the numbers about what the lift would be financially and time wise and what the possible upside might be. And this was during COVID and we were already zooming a lot just to stay in contact, so he know, my guys came up with some real interesting numbers. If you guys want to come in and let them just tell us. And Will's like, no, jesus, just come here. So we go into his office, and the three of us listen to someone on his staff kind of break down what it would be. And basically, it was what we were doing already a zoom for an hour or whatever. And so we started doing it during COVID and people started listening, and it was just shocking. The first time I realized people really were listening was we had Paul McCartney on the show, and he was Sean's guest.

And after Paul McCartney left, and we do sort of a wrap up, I said to Sean, I said, how do you know Paul McCartney?

He says, I don't.

He called us.

Wow. That's the key.

But, I mean, it indicated that, okay, if a beetle is going to do a podcast, apparently we are one that his people were suggesting that he. So that was pretty scary to me, actually.

So you don't use a booker per find. You must have a booker.

We have somebody. Michael Grant Terry is our producer. I suppose that does many things, one of which is to book the guest. And what we do is the guest is a mystery to two of the other guys. So we take turns inviting guests on, and we don't tell the other two who we're bringing on, so that you don't have to do any homework, no prep whatsoever.

Nerve wracking.

It's not too bad, because there's no obligation for the other two to ask any questions. It's like, if I bring on Joe blow, I got to have a bunch of questions for Joe, and the other guys can chime in when they think of something to ask Joe, but they need not.

So that's not uncomfortable at.

No, it's. It's fantastic.

So there wasn't one guest that was really challenging where you mean, we do it via Zoom?

So we have our computers in front of us, and you can see will and know typing away furiously into the Google machine to try to find out what it is about my guests that they might be interested in.

You scared the hell out of me. Excuse me for interrupting.

Yeah.

I mean, I almost got very violent because you guys prank each other, which is great. I get this call, right, and I'm hip to the show, and I'm a huge fan, and it's my guy, and it's about 530 in the afternoon a few months ago. And Jason gets on. He said, I'm doing the podcast from a hotel over here, and somebody wants to talk to you. I said, I don't know where. I said, really? Okay. They're pranking me. Okay, I'll go with this guy gets on the phone, he says, hi, this is the president of the United States, Joe Biden. You knowing me, I was going, get the fuck out of.

No, I think your answer was silence.

And you.

Okay. Someone's pretty good at doing this impression.

And then he went on to said, I wasn't going to do this interview with these guys till I got to talk to Jason's father in law. Yeah, I'm a fetch. So right then, and I'm putting it together, I'm going, wow. Wow. That was what you guys.

Yeah, that was actually. Another incoming call was stunning. It was a year after Sir Paul, and we got a call from the White House saying that the president's going to be in town. He wants to do a podcast. He wants to be again. Could not believe it. But anyway, we had to go to a remote site, a hotel, to do it in his room. And when he walked into the room, we were already in the room, set up, mics were ready to go. And then the president comes in, and he comes in holding his iPhone, and he's got Paul's one of your songs playing from the theme song.

And I said, is it having my baby? He said, I think it was my way, wasn't it? I don't remember which one.

I mean, there's so many to pick from, but you're one of his favorites. And he had it just on his phone as, like, a ringtone or whatever it is. And I said, oh, my God, he'd be so thrilled to know that. He goes, well, let's call him. Let's tell him. And that's how that phone call happened. And I just hit your number on speaker, and away he went. I'm so glad you were around to get the call.

So was I. Yeah, but that was a cool call. Thank you.

Yeah.

But bucket list guest, somebody that you haven't had.

I'd love to have Howard on. He would be great, but I don't.

Even want to get him out of the house.

Why don't I need to?

Because it's Zoom.

He has to drive all the way out here to your goddamn House.

You know, you look the same.

Hairdo.

That's a great problem.

Well, I'm playing a loser in a few months.

You know what? You're what?

I'm playing a loser. So I'm nailing it with this long hair. Well, I don't start shooting for another five months, there's going to be another five months of growth on this.

Wow.

To that point, I was going to ask, is there anything that really worries you other than hair? Loss.

Yes. Not to be modeling, but as we are all sort of on the backside of our arc, we're closer to death and birth. I start to worry about the arbitrary illnesses that come. You don't catch cancer. It's in us all, and it just gets turned on or not.

That's right.

Arbitrarily, for the most part, to everyone. So mortality, it doesn't scare me as.

Much as it angers you. Well.

It'S an annoying distraction. When you're busy galloping towards the finish of a life you're enjoying. You just hope that it's a gentle.

Descent and you can deal Jason with most of that stuff, but cancer is the tough one.

Yeah, I mean, I'm sure there's plenty of things that will take you out that are not fantastic.

It's preventative. You have to live a certain lifestyle and you run every day. Well, yeah, we're on the verge of some stuff. There's some medical discoveries that are coming up where you're going to add on to your life.

And by the way, AI is playing a big role in that. I'm involved at UCLA Medical Center, Department of neurosurgery active over there, and they're talking about the fact that the amount of intelligence that they were able to garner sort of doubled every five years. Now it's doubling every six months. AI is playing such an incredible role in figuring stuff out. Figuring stuff out, because it's all about. Talk about early detection. It's all about figuring.

It's actually pretty surprising, if you think about it, that we don't yet have a cure for all cancers. I mean, we have very effective treatments, as we do for HIV and whatnot. But you would think that with all of the money and time and brain power that's gone into this, that we still can't lick that one. And we still don't know fully how the brain works or what the equation is of a thought. There's some stuff that we still can't get our arms around.

But isn't that great about life? The stuff you don't know? Paul and I talk a lot about ufos.

Paul is.

Paul's even more convinced than most that they're.

Yeah.

That they're walking among.

Yeah, but, you know, the one philosophy I have with it all, we were put here on earth to live. I mean, to live. So no matter what shit you go through during the day, and you got a little of this where we get, oh, this. Why is this happening? It's not what it's about. You're here to live no matter what's happening to you.

Yeah, just participate.

Just participate and live.

Yeah. That's a good .1 of the best.

Shows of the year, according to Apple, Amazon. And time is back for another round. We have more insightful conversations between myself, Paul Muldoon, and Paul McCartney about his life and career.

We had a big bear of the land called Mal Evans, and I was coming back on the plane, and he said, will you pass the salt and pepper? And I misheard him. I said, what salt and pepper?

This season, we're diving deep into some of McCartney's most beloved songs. Yesterday, band on the run, hagered, and McCartney's favorite song in his entire catalog. Here, there, and everywhere. Listen to season two of McCartney a life and lyrics on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hey, this is Dana Schwartz. You may know my voice from Noble Blood, Haley Wood, or stealing Superman. I'm hosting a new podcast, and we're calling it very special episodes.

One week, we'll be on the case with special agents from NASA as they crack down on black market moon rocks.

H. Ross pro is on the other side, and he goes, hello, Joe. How can I help you? I said, Mr. Pro, what we need is $5 million to get back a moon rock.

Another week, we'll unravel a 90s Hollywood mystery.

It sounds like it should be the next season of true detective or something. These canadian cops trying to solve this 25 year old mystery of who's spiked the chowder on the Titanic set.

A very special episode is stranger than fiction. It's normal. People plop down in extraordinary circumstances. It's a story where you say, this should be a movie. Listen to very special episodes on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Hi, I'm Susie Esman.

And I am Jeff Garland.

Yes, you are. And we are the hosts of the history of Curb your enthusiasm podcast. We're going to watch every single episode. It's 122, including the pilot, and we're going to break them down.

By the way, most of these episodes I have not seen for 20 years.

Yeah, me, too. We're going to have guest stars and people that are very important to the show, like Larry David.

I did once try and stop a woman who was about to get hit by a car. I screamed out, watch out.

And she said, don't you tell me.

What to do, Ed. Sheryl Hines, why can't you just lighten up and have a good time?

Ed?

Richard Lewis, how am I going to tell him?

I'm going to leave now? Can you do it on the phone? Do you have to do it in person? What's not canceling cable? You have to go in and he's a human being.

He's helped you.

And then we're going to have behind the scenes information. Tidbit.

Yes, Tidbit is a great word.

Anyway, we're both a wealth of knowledge about this show because we've been doing it for 23 years. So subscribe now and you could listen to the history of Kerber enthusiasm on iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you happen to get your podcasts at one of the most famous restaurants in the world. There's a table in the corner where the most incredible conversations on the planet are happening every week with owner Ruthie Rogers and amazing guests like Martha Stewart.

I did have an affair with one.

Of his best friends, Jimmy Fallon.

Do you want a zip line over your dad while he gets attacked by.

Alligators and Paul McCartney?

John and I hitchhiked to Paris.

We've saved you a seat. Ruthie's table four. Listen to Ruthie's table four on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

So tell me about this podcast. This is just a chat. A chat session with folks that you two know. With our friends, you could probably have a thousand episodes before you.

And they're friends that we think are interesting. And we think, much like what happened to you with smart list, once this gets out, if you will, we think certain friends of ours will also say, hey, what about me?

Yeah, exactly.

Why am I not part of it?

Get ready. Yeah, you're not going to be able to move.

And we're having fun with it. That's the best part, is taking what we do, as I said, at night on the phone, and taking it out into the airwaves.

Hey, if you're not having fun in life, forget about it. Yeah, you got to be having fun. We had Bill Burr chip shot ago. He's amazing, right? It was the funniest thing. It just shows you actors want to be singers. Singers want to be actors. So we had lunch, blah, blah, blah. We have a lot of fun. And he's brilliant. And, yeah, I want to do it. Yeah, I want to do it. Absolutely. Yeah, I'll be there. Fuck, yeah. He says one thing. He says, I want to sing. I said, what? I want to sing or I'm not doing this. You got to be fucking kidding. You're going to come on and sing? Yeah, I want to sing. Yeah. Make it happen. So I made it happen. I got a music track. We sent him the song, blah, blah, blah. And he gets in here and destroyed the cold Porter classic. I've got you under my skin. When I tell you, destroy. I'm sure there's a guy in a box somewhere kicking the fucking, trying to get out.

Made up his own lyrics as he went along. His own lyrics.

We're so thrilled that you said you'd sing today. I got the band waiting.

I'm just putting you on, honey.

I would never ask you to do that. We're going to eclectically wait for whoever wants to sing, right?

I don't even sing in the shower. It's not great. You were fantastic on our podcast, though. Loves you. I mean, truly one of our better.

Thank you. You know, you talk about singing. I appreciate that. I enjoyed it. It's such an irony, guys that are afraid to sing and can't sing. Then you got a guy like Warren Buffett, who's a buddy. I love him. And all he does is he loves to sing. He just loves. I met him because he hired me to do a gig, and I rewrote my way for him. He says, you're no Paulie. He says, I could sing that song. I love singing that song. I just love my way. That's my song. I said, really, warren? He says, they're going to play it at my funeral. I said, really? I says, well, how would you like to sing it? What do you mean? Well, you're going to studio with me and we'll record you.

Really?

I said, yeah. He said, we'll have a hamburger and a cherry coke. Because that's what he eats every day, right? Cherry Coke. He said, okay, I'm on. So he comes out here, we get in the studio capital, huge orchestra, and Warren Buffett's singing my way with no fear. And he's singing away and he's loving it. And he was so good. And then we started doing some gigs together. We'd go out and we'd start singing at these different little.

Really?

Oh, yeah. And he'd stand up there. We'd do a rewrite of my way. Like one we did down here in Laguna. The top female executives in the country. Big tent. There must have been 500 women now. Then we're here. You women cheer and he's just roaring away. And I'm standing here going, I've seen it all. He plays the record. Apparently, every day he goes in his office, which is the coolest office it's quiet in Omaha. It's modest in Omaha. And you go in there, you don't hear a sound. He's got baseball stuff all over the place. He loves it. And he listens to his version of my way.

Really?

So we get into this business of holograms, and he's out here. And I said, warren, we can do a hologram of you singing my way so you'll be seen. Really? I said, yeah, just meet me at this studio and we'll do the hologram. Not only hear yourself, you'll see yourself. We went in the studio. He did it. We now have a wonderful hologram and an amazing version of Warren Buffett singing my way.

And then where would you run that hologram?

At his funeral. Ah.

Got it. Yeah.

Hopefully not soon.

Dancing on his coffin.

Yeah, not soon. But it just goes back to so many people have a fear of speaking and definitely singing. Right. I mean, we know that. But then the guys that you're so amazed at that have so much, and they do, and this no fear whatsoever.

I would probably sing before I would dance. How are you at dancing?

Yeah, I can dance.

Can you?

I'd rather sing before dancing.

I used to dancing. Do you remember? I didn't even dance with Amanda at my wedding. That's how much I don't like dancing. I didn't even dance at my own wedding. You took your dance and my dance.

That's correct. So you owe me one.

Are you going to stop for an in n out burger on your way home? Because it's pretty obvious Paul's not serving anything.

Well, you haven't gone into the kitchen yet.

I came having. Yeah, I got to rush back.

What's your diet before you?

It's. You know what I. Whenever I'm at a place that's serving something yummy, something bad for me, I have it. I have it a lot when I'm there. But for the most part, that's like once a week, once a month, twice a month for anybody. So when I'm home, I just make sure when I'm home, whereas I do most of my eating. It's all just good stuff. Mostly it's salad and chicken.

Yeah, well, you know, the way you've watched the way the family eats from Alex to the way.

Yeah. Oh, my mean, Amanda is just great for me in so many ways. She's way overqualified than to manage what I eat, but she's very helpful in giving me discipline in many ways.

As you get older, we all have to watch what we put in our body, for sure.

I think they say if you keep eating exactly what you eat each year, you will gain three pounds. Like, your metabolic rate slows down such that you need to eliminate three pounds worth of weight gain each year if you want to stay level. So you have to eat less and less the older you get if you want to keep your weight the same.

Unless your doctor prescribes ozempic, right?

Yeah.

I just got up one day and said, I've eaten enough. I've eaten enough.

Yeah, well, you watch yourself. You're still outperforming and you're vein, so that helps also.

Hey, when you go to a doctor five years ago, and then I went last month, he says, you're three inches shorter. I'm not the kind of guy that relishes that. I was never tall anyway. He says, you've lost inches. I said, wait a minute. I started too short as it was. I took my weakness, made it my strength. He says, you're three inches shorter. I said, I don't want to hear that.

They don't have an ozempic for that.

They will. They've got operations now. You can go in, they cut open your legs. Seriously, they put a wedge in and blah, blah, blah.

Really?

Oh, yeah. They'll give you height. They got something for everything, don't they? Everything.

That would be weird.

Yeah, very weird. Maybe when I get the five inches shorter, I'll think, put a five inch.

Wedge in your kneecap, wherever it works.

Hey, anyways, thanks, man. It's been fun.

Thank you for having me, you guys.

We'Re so thrilled that you came. And, God, I'm honored to be related to you in this capacity.

You should hear everything people say about you when I'm out and about. Yeah, well, if I told you all the hellos I get to pass on to you, you'd be.

See, that's touching.

That's good.

Well, likewise. Eh, likewise. And we don't promote it, you know, that. We're so laid back with it. Yeah, but now it's. People come up, they know. But thanks for joining Skip. And know, Skip and I are. We're little virgins here compared to what you guys have achieved with yours. And when we put this together and we started thinking who we wanted on, you know, you're at the top of the list there, and we've really had a lot of fun today. And Skip's a brother and a friend, and you're just.

You guys got a title for it yet?

Our way. Yes, our way.

Love it.

Or short people only. We haven't made up our minds yet, but thanks, Jace.

My pleasure.

Love you.

Thank you.

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