On today's pardon my take, we have Drew Rosenhaus huge interview with the shark. Drew Rosenhaus, we get to the bottom of what it's like to be an NFL agent and then we also super agent, super agent.

And then we also have Jason Wright, president of the Washington football team. Great interview with him as well. Probably Jake Marsh pointed out probably the two smartest guys we've ever had on the same show. We had Marlins man and foul ball guy. I was just say Lenny Dykstra and Mr. Portnoy, that also true. But so maybe the second.

The second we had Eikon and Joe Montana. True. Just Eikon. Martin Shkreli. Martin Shkreli. That's true. Awesome. Awesome to interviews, though. Highly, highly recommend it. We have NBA playoffs. The caps have been eliminated. We have fire fest. We won. Well, the Cavs have been eliminated. I guess the Blackhawks have been eliminated, too, although I said that at the end of last show. So soggy. Saros Sure.

OK, I didn't say sure.

I'll address that. Sure. All right. Billy will get well. Yeah. Tomorrow. Billy, we'll see you here.

I also like how you just recommended you highly recommended listening to part of my take on part of my take.

Well, the two interviews, sometimes people like, oh, I don't know Jason right as well. I highly recommend it. Drew Rosenhaus. Oh, maybe you're a huge Antonio Brown fan. No, I highly recommend it both. We might there's definitely one super fan, Antonio Brown fan listening to this right now, being like Drew Rosenhaus Skip. It's probably Antonio Brown. Yes. AB, what's up? You're going to want to stick around. I know you want to hear Drew, but stick around and hear Jason.

Right, because maybe you'll sign with the R word.

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Welcome to part of my team sent by the Kashef. Go download it right now. Use code passed. We get ten dollars for free. Ten dollars to the ASPCA. Today is Friday, August 20. First from the bottom of my heart. I'm so very, very sorry. I pride myself and think of myself as a man of faith as there is a drive and a deep left field by Cassiano. So it will be a home run. So that will make it affordable.

Game Farm. Tom Dreamhouse an all time apology.

It was definitely shades of the Chris Berman Poneys blog on his blog back in 2013. Right. With Ray Rice, that whole thing. Hats off to him for being a real pro's pro and continuing to do his job in the middle of his apology.

So why did he have to say yes? So if you're living under a rock he farm, I like to call him Thum. I have hated him for a very long time, but he had a hot mike situation where he used homophobic slur and probably is going to lose his job. And the for the game, the craziest thing was a double header. So the craziest thing that happened was he's calling the game, not realizing he's trending on Twitter and his career is probably over.

And then around the fifth inning, they said, hey, Tom, we're going to need you to do a quick apology here. Got into his heartfelt apology and then Kasyanov's hit a home run in the middle of the apology. And he did not break his tone whatsoever. Just called you don't play the clip. Play the clip.

I pride myself and think of myself as a a man of faith as there is a drive in a deep love field by Castellanos that will be a home run. And so that'll make it a four nothing ball game. I don't know if I would be putting on this headset again. I don't know if it's going to be for the Reds. I don't know if it's going to be for my bosses at Fox.

I will apologize for the and that is Thom Brennaman. I actually was watching it live because I. I hate him. He is one of those guys, you know, announcers. It's usually only in baseball that really despise your team. So whenever the Cubs are kicking the shit out of the Reds, I will watch the Reds broadcast just to listen to thumb bitch and moan, to hear, to listen in on his misery. Yeah, just salt that's in his tone any time.

Like a big heartbreaking play happens like the end of that Oklahoma State game a couple of years ago. Yeah, I like more than anything listening to when they put the opposing teams call on Twitter like they do the highlight reel. And you have to listen to just like kind of stunned silence for a while.

It's it's the ultimate petty sports fan thing to do. It's like I also do it with press conferences, like when the Badgers beat the Gophers this year. At the end of the season, I fucking logged on to Facebook to watch PJ Fleck give a press conference and named the Gophers Big Ten West Champions button thumb. So, yeah, all time, all time moments unintentionally hilarious to call home run while you're trying to give your deepest, you know, apology to the nation.

Well, it wasn't really an apology. It was more an apology to his bosses and being like, I hope that this isn't this is just see you later. It's not goodbye forever. Maybe if I maybe if I nail this call and I continue my professionalism throughout my apology, they'll bring me back.

Now, talking about the actual clip at the start when he dropped the hard F, he wound up. That was always the hardest. Oh, yeah. That's a guy that uses the hard F multiple times a day. He took like a deep breath. It came it was it was like a Johnny Cueto like wind up before the F came from his his saw the bottom of his Balsan.

Yeah. It was there, it was just hardcore f that he hit. I think that in the aftermath you hear a lot of people talking about how he uttered a slur.

This wasn't an utterance. No.

And I always think that that's funny when people say, like he uttered a slur, you apparently can only utter a slur. No one ever says a slur or lets a slur slip. Right.

You utter he did not utter this. He he screamed it with his chest. He said it. I was thinking it was such a hard f like maybe maybe he's in the closet. Maybe this is like a projection thing. Maybe he was doing research for an upcoming trip. He wanted to find his next vacation spot. So he's asking Siri, what is the capital of the United States? I mean, he's got hey, his name's Thom Brennaman. Tom Thumb, fellas.

Fungai to have the word man in your last name.

His name is Tom Jacir. You pronounce that H. Jake. Do they teach you how to do apologies if you ever utter a slur on the air?

Um, hot mic, though, in broadcasting school, like at all times. Always a ha moment, I think, in this situation.

What are you doing? Why are you laughing. What and what? I love you, OK?

I mean, hot mike or not. That's not something that should be said. Yes. Correct. You are taught always. No, it wasn't my fault. Right. Right. It just happened that that was happening. He should not have said that. We're not going to make this one. You have to Stephen A. Smith. You have to ask what the what the mike the provocation. What Mike what was the mike wearing?

Did it have a windshield on it? Did it have protection? Did have a PPIF pop filter. I got to take the mike. Should have been there. Yeah. The front of his mouth. The game wasn't even happening at the time. It was a mike doing in the booth Mike was on.

But regardless of his living room, you sure thing that right. And we don't want to say that he should say it, but the mike shouldn't have been right. And Mike, like the mike, if the mike's out there, it's not a problem. Stop. It seemed like the mike was just kind of looking for clout, amplifying the chatter. Like maybe the mike can be Mike. The Mike's part of cancer. It's the white mike. Clearly, yes.

All right. So that was Red's Thom Brennaman. So just to conclude, they don't teach you how to apologize and turn them. No, let's hope I never have. But if they shoot, would they tell you to to maybe not call the home run?

I don't know.

Well, I really like anyone's going to employ him again. It's like, well, this guy is throw my on his tape like, yo, check it out. I'm cool under pressure my way out.

I have to apologize once on a broadcast. Oh what I was it was like it was actually Syracuse versus central Michigan my senior year. OK, and I'm a big Florida Gator fan. Oh, no. I was watching on my phone.

I'm on in the booth, Jake. And they threw a Hail Mary and they got against Tennessee a few years ago. So I just screamed argues here in the press, Mike.

Oh, no.

I was in our booth. The press the other press didn't see me. So you're you hot mike on.

Let's go, because we usually do. It's called Around the Nation. We got scores around the nation.

And I'm like, Jake, I need it around the nation. Check before we get back to more of the studios, what was the score that Florida Gators, Tennessee volunteers.

Again, funny you asked. So Florida is up by 10 with five minutes to go. Tennessee tied it back up.

It was 20, 20, and the gators rattle off a 66 yard, 63 yard touchdown for the win at the buzzer. Unbelievable. Gators beat volunteers.

Let's go then. I'm sorry, but it's great that you're like big fuckup was just rooting for a team. They try to beat that out of you at Medill.

And it was not it was an incredible into that game, too. But you did you learn anything?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember in Florida for that game. Yes. There you go.

So can we can we workshop this like if you were Tom Brennaman, how would you have handled that apology. Can you call his apology.

I mean, I don't know. That's an unprecedented Cassiano hit a home run though. So he got the call that. Yes, that's a shot from Cassiano. You can cut up the clip of the actual homerun and be like not enough energy in the call.

Yeah. What's going on there? All right. So that was trying to find that clip, by the way, from senior year and unreal. Yeah, we would like that clip. An unreal night on Wednesday night when that happened. So we have NBA playoffs. Oh, actually, we should talk. You want to talk caps first? You want to.

Yeah, I'm fine. Talking about the caps because I think I gained a little perspective throughout the whole covid crisis and what the caps have done by putting on a show for my enjoyment, for America's enjoyment, for Canada's enjoyment, really for the world's enjoyment, I think is better than winning a Stanley Cup.

I think that that being in the bubble, staying safe, practicing good hygiene, not spreading the virus. Around zero positive covid tests for the capitals are their opponents this postseason, which I think is a testimony. Just what a great team this is.

Same number of goals today. Saper, of course. Well, yeah, they have families they want to get back to, OK? And I think that what they showed today was they gave up.

No, Tom Wilson doesn't have a no, I'm.

Well, what the Caps did was they let them score four goals on them so that Tom Wilson wouldn't injure any more of their players. Yes. But to keep everybody safe all around trying to limit the amount of ice minutes that the islanders have to go through. Plus, I'm just very, very happy for Barry Trotz. Like, this is a great win for Barry. Really. Barry, he's capped for life. Should have kept cap for life, our Stanley Cup winning coach.

I'm glad that we were able to share him with the less fortunate franchise like the New York Islanders.

So who held off like for X the amount of Stanley Cups?

We can we can talk about banners that hanging from the ceiling all day long. I think the most important banner this year is everyone's safe, everyone goes home to their families.

It's so easy wins. Do you get some part of that? Well, absolutely. I think Barry Trotz he's using the information that he learned whilst coaching the Capitals and how to win. Plus, I mean, does it really count this year?

I know I said the easiest year to lose. You have your team lose. There's no parade to go to. There's no Stanley Cup celebration. I'm not going to drink out of the cup again this year. So honestly, I'm glad. I hope. Yeah, because they lost I hope that a new team I hope a new team once and for all the people that are hard at work making Ovechkin golfing shops, it's been a dry spell for them recently.

They haven't gotten to make that happen. So. Yeah. Oh, they made it last year, too. Yeah, they made it last year. But that was only that was a rookie year. That was an aberration.

All right. So we had that the Blackhawks were eliminated as well. It's, you know, Hank, your left hockey, whatever. Yeah.

What's left of your team is I think that you've got some really smart players who have accurately realized that, you know, being around your family in a time like this is more important.

Yeah, putting on a game, the Blackhawks getting eliminated first is actually also great, because when you get eliminated first, people just don't even remember.

That's true. It's like, what? Oh yeah. That. Oh yeah. OK, yeah. They got a limit and you were playing with house money this year. House money, youngest team, whatever. You didn't need that draft pick.

We had the NBA lottery tonight. The Chicago Bulls are going to get Obbie Toppin very excited. Who won last. Oh, the wolves.

Why are you so sure of that? I actually don't think we are going to get overtime and I think we're to get the kid from Israel. But I just know from a blogger podcasting perspective, when you can say ain't no stopping Obi Toppin, it pays for itself. Yeah, I mean, those shirts pay for themselves. Being able to say that after a big play pays for itself like he could suck. But just being able to say that for a couple of years, that's worth it.

So stop and stop top and put it in the draft. What about like a Mike Myers t shirt? Like an Austin Powers one that says, oh, behave, there we go.

We could go anywhere with Obbie top. And we also had an all time moment during the lottery. So the bulls went to four and I went live on Periscope and we're sitting in the gambling cave and a bar stool intern was sitting there as well, shout out McDougall's and he just casually I was like, hey, I think we're going to get over topping. And he's like, Oh, I had a class of them at Dayton. We were dance partners in a class like really?

And he's like, yeah, we are dance partners. I said, Oh, so do you have his phone number? He's like, No, but my ex-girlfriend does. I'll tell you the Duke's way to just do that to yourself.

You know something over top. No, no, something over the top. Getting some sloppy over the top and. Oh. I think that if you're picturing like what is what does McDougall's look like, he's exactly what you picture he is. It's like his like could have been McDougle if a Borislow intern was grown in a Petri dish. Yes, that's me.

You call me Dukes. Other bonus lottery news. Yeah. We are on a crash course for the ball family to move to Oakland.

We I don't we're looking at it. They're trading potentially LaVar Ball dealing with the Golden State Warriors dynasty, which I I mean, if you're a fan of chaos, you should be rooting for that scenario. The Warriors are going to figure out a way to trade the number two pick. And like Andrew Wiggins for, I don't know, Anthony Davis, like something ridiculous, like what the fuck how this happens.

Yeah, that would be actually great if Wiggins then went back to LeBron, like after the Pacers, like, no, I don't want this. Wait, is that how it went.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, you have to specify so many times in Cleveland and he made them trade Wiggins for Kevin Love. Yes. All right. Before we get to NBA playoffs, let's talk a little football. Football is coming back and that means some days are back. Why only watch one Sunday at a market game when you watch all them catch it all with NFL, Sunday ticket, TV and good news NFL fans, DirecTV has expanded the service.

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The Lakers are back. Yep. Laker Dan is back. They just curb stomped the fucking Blazers.

I can't believe that everyone decided the Blazers were going to win the series after one Blazers in five. I just said the Blazers were going to win the series after zero games. So I was a little bit ahead of the curve on that one.

But it was it was a classic LeBron James game one to game to switch up where for some reason I have zero stats to back this up. By the way, I feel like LeBron James likes to have people doubt him in the playoffs so he's liable to go out there and lay an egg just to get more fuel. Just say just give Skip Bayless like a little bit of water in his dish, but be like here you go. Come up with some takes for me so that I can come out game two and smash everybody.

It was a no brainer is no doubt that the Lakers were going to come out tonight and win by at least ten.

It wasn't even LeBron, though. LeBron only had ten points. It was Anthony Davis being like, oh yeah, I'm seven feet and way better than everyone on the court. And then just dunking on people and grabbing rebounds over everyone. So it's nice to see Addie's doing that, although he did it with the pelicans. But so that I think what we're going to actually have with these NBA bubble playoffs, because it's been very confusing watching these teams like the Lakers lose game one, the Bucks lose game one.

I said we're going to have some fucking great series because you saw the Mavs beat the Clippers. And all this adds up to I've had a thought bubble in my head that I just think the rockets are going to win the title just so that we can all discount Darrell Moore and James Harden and be like, that's not real.

It would be the perfect gastrique scheme, really what the Houston Astros absolutely like. I think that there's a pretty good chance it's a good shooting, Jim. Like we talked about earlier, there's no like fans behind back distracted. Yes, it's a close backdrop. So, yeah, I could see no strip clubs inside the bubble. Yeah, that's a bonus for hard fans. They test them for weird fake illnesses all the time. Harden again skates by on that one.

So, yeah, I mean I think that the rockets have as good a chance as anybody out of the West and then out of the east. I still like Henkes Celtics.

I think he looked good man. My he looked good. The bucks good bucks looked pretty good but I still I'm not in. I think that you know what I think? I think the bucks are frauds. How stupid our brains are. I think they're counterfeit. We, we, we like discount the bucks just because Hank said the bucks stink and then they lost game one and we're like, poof.

It adds, I think the bucks, the bucks might still stink just because we don't know about the Dante had a good game.

Aaron Gordon wasn't playing their first name basis. Dante the say his last name, Divinations. There we go. Delli Sub. He's the Italian sub. Let it go. Let it go. But yeah, they've been great.

I just the fact that we get wall to wall basketball every day is like this is going to be a harsh comedown when we get to the next round and they start doing just night games. You wait, where's my where's my basketball game at one o'clock.

Yeah, it's a big fuck you to the West Coast and a big giant wet sloppy. To the East Coast, media elites like us, it's fucking awesome. I watch these games, I like it a lot. One note that I had was did you see what Russell Westbrook was wearing? Yes. So he's Russell Westbrook is copying my band charts idea just just a year later. Again, I'm ahead on that, like I was ahead on the Levi's tag and on the NASA tags.

But I was wondering how many bags of clothes do you think that Russ had to bring with him to the bubble? A lot.

He probably gets he probably gets them shipped. Did you hear the anecdote that C.J. accommodation. Five bottles of wine? Yeah. Hotel room. Yeah.

Eighty five bottles of wine because he's selling them. Yeah. But he also I mean Jay but are turning this into like a lucrative little side hustle.

But they were just talking about moving hotels. They're like, yeah, they had to move all these bottles of wine. We also had a great moment on the broadcast tonight where Jeff Van Gundy is kindly as he could, just essentially called Mark Jackson a fucking idiot. What happened? He check Mark Jackson. There is one clip of Carmelo guarding LeBron full court. And Mark Jackson was like, see, people say Melo can't play defense. Look at this defense.

And Jeff Van Gundy was like, I got to say, I agree with the people. Melo can't play defense. Mark Jackson. Just like what? You know what?

Melo did have that one block at the end of the game, much like he hits his one three. He Melo knows when people are tuning in. I'm pretty sure that he has like a little Nielsen guidebook on the sidelines and he knows when the eyeballs are on him, when he can make his one play. Mark Jackson also said about I think it was Westbrook tonight because Westbrook wasn't playing, he was talking to the officials. He was like arguing for a foul call.

And then Mark Jackson was like, See, this is what a teammate does, is he communicates with the referees even when he's not playing. And Jeff Van Gundy again, was just like, OK, Mark. Yeah, yeah. Like it's pretty normal for a player who's sitting on the bench to be talking to an official.

I'd say them spending all day and night together.

Jeff and Gunnis had many moments where it's like, wow, you say some dumb shit.

Jeff Van Gundy is probably the one that's trying to get him a job with the bulls and he's going to leak a lot of stuff. Mark Jackson to the to the Pels. Oh God.

If the Bulls hire him. No they won't, they won't. They won't get Melo. What, what if the bulls get lamella. Oh well I mean I feel like that.

Be great for Big Cat to have LaVar Ball in his.

It would be in his universe but you know something over top and it just say it ain't no stopping Bobby Toppin like when he goes off. When you. I loved watching the date. Dayton was a wagon this year. Every time he had a good game. Ain't no stopping only Toppin and he had a lot of good games. All right. I think that's it for everything that's going on right now. Anything we missed.

We'll do Billy's list and fire fest after the interviews. But we got two awesome interviews coming up. So let's do it. Let's get to Drew Rosenhaus and then we will have Jason Wright right after him.

OK, we now welcome on a very special guest. It is Super Agent Drew Rosenhaus. Drew, thank you for joining us. Actually, I want to start there. Are you OK with us calling you a super agent? Is that OK?

You know that I've heard that term before. It's pretty funny, but I prefer you guys can call me whatever you want. It's no big deal. All right. I feel like you're a super agent.

I saw your nickname was a shark, but I also think that you gave yourself the nickname The Shark. Can you confirm that? I don't know how that nickname came about, I did have a book that was entitled to a Shark Never Sleeps or Shark Never Sleeps. So maybe that's how I got the nickname. But it's not like I refer to myself as a shark or super doctor. I'm pretty humble guy, believe it or not.

You actually I was going to save this for later, but I did I do have a bone to pick with you because you once claimed that you wrestled the six foot shark. And I actually can't pull up the old tweets, but are the old pictures. But I had a problem with it at the time. I called bullshit on at the time. Do you remember this?

No, it's true. I mean, you can go on YouTube and you can see the video.

It's if you just type in Drew Rosenhaus wrestles a shark. I don't know if you call wrestling. I grabbed it. I grab the shark, I grab its tail, try to bite me. I was in the keys. We were fishing. I did something silly. I jumped in the water. I grew up in Miami Beach. I've been around sharks and fish in my whole life and it was kind of silly. But now there's no bullshit on that one guy.

I saw the video. I wrote it at the time.

I blogged at the time. I think it's probably 2014. I said the title actually should have read. Drew Rosenhaus touched the tail of a dying shark that was probably hooked on a fishing line for the past three hours until it had no strength left, but keeps tweeting out that he wrestled a six foot shark.

Well, I can tell you it wasn't dying in the video. You can see it swim away, OK? It was it was on the line for maybe five minutes. And I can also tell you that it it it definitely was was a powerful, vibrant shark. OK, there's there's no no exaggeration needed on that one. The video itself maybe doesn't do it justice. There's there's there's more recent video. I went fishing with the with one of my clients, Sean Taylor, and he caught a Goliath grouper, probably around four hundred pounds.

And I got in the water with that bad boy and grabbed him and he smacked me with this thing. That's something you can find as well, that ESPN had that on SportsCenter. So if you doubt my prowess of wrestling sharks and fish, I have that for my resume as well.

I'm going to do something I rarely do. I'm going to actually retroactively call myself a hater. OK, that probably was a blog that came from Spites Hate, wherever it may have been. I don't know if I had a bad day, hadn't had my coffee, but I will retroactively rule that I was a hater in that case.

No problem, guys. I've got thick skin and I'm very forgiving.

I would hope so if you're putting your limbs near a shark's mouth and yeah, that's probably a good thing to have.

Well, I want to I said I want to start off off the top talking about something that's in the news today. There were some reports that the NFL was talking about maybe doing a playoff bubble or multiple playoff bubbles.

And I didn't know if you had been a part of those conversations or what you had heard, but what would your reaction to that be?

My reaction is I think it's a great idea because the bubbles worked so well in both the NBA and the NHL and Major League Soccer. It's kind of a proven component here to to be covid. So I'm all for that. You know, you've got you've got a limited window on a limited number of teams. So I think it's doable. And there's so much at stake. I, I love it. I think it would I think it would be effective.

Let's see where we're at a couple of months. But I'm all for that. Guys, I got to say, I think the NFL has done an outstanding job up to this point in dealing with this. I mean, you're talking about less than one percent of the guys have tested positive since training camp. They've done like one hundred thousand tests. And it's just been a huge success. I think there might be twelve guys on the list right now.

That's unbelievable. Yeah. Out of 2000, some odd players that are presently on NFL rosters. I'm excited with the way this is going. And when I talk to teams, to my clients, everyone's confident that a season is going to take place.

Now, the season is is, I think, going to take place as well. But there probably won't be a lot of fans. Is that something that you're projecting out, that the salary cap might be adjusted and you're telling your guys like, hey, get ready for this because it might be a little different in a year or two, we might be feeling some repercussions from a year without fans.

Yeah, definitely concerned about that and how that's going to affect the salary cap. You know, I think the NFL is going to pull a rabbit out of a hat and hopefully get a TV deal done here, possibly before we have a new salary. Next offseason, and that would offset any losses from the fans, so it might be premature to be gloom and doom about the future of the salary cap because the NFL is in negotiations with the networks as we speak.

And this would be great timing for both sides to get something done. I mean, I think the NFL ratings are going to be through the roof and unprecedented based on all the fans that should be watching NFL football coming up here in less than a month. Yeah, I can't wait.

I want to jump back to kind of the beginning of your career a little bit, if we could. Right now, I'm sure that you can you kind of sell yourself, right? If there's somebody that's coming out of college that's going to be a projected top 10 pick, you're probably on that short list. You show up and you're like, hey, it's me, the shark, the super agent. You know, you want to sign with me already.

What was it like at the start of your career when you were first starting to get players to Miami? How did you convince them that you can make them more money in the pros than they were already making out to you?

Wasn't easy. I was twenty two years old when I broke in the business in nineteen eighty eight and I was a young guy with with limited experience and you know, I just told the truth then, you know, when in doubt tell the truth. I share with my, with the recruits that I've wanted to be an agent very badly because I wanted to help my clients and I felt like I could do a great job. And I really was confident that I had the, you know, the talent to do it based on my legal background.

And I was a law student at Duke and I had interned with an agency. And I just felt like I had what it took to get the job done. And I was just kind of spoke from the heart. And I didn't have a lot of success early on. But fortunately, I hung in there and at the end of the day, I was able to build my resume and build my career.

Who who is the client that, like the I've made it client, the client that you were able to get, that you're like, this guy is going to be great and he's going to set me up for future clients and it's going to be almost a snowball effect from here.

Well, you know, very early in my career, I represented Marvin Jones, who is the fourth overall pick of the draft in the night in the mid 90s. And I also had Warren Sapp as a client in the mid nineties who went on to be one of the great players in the NFL. But probably all the way back in nineteen ninety one, I signed a first round pick, believe it or not, back in nineteen ninety one. His name was Randall Hill and he came out of the University of Miami and was drafted by the Dolphins in the first round and is a guy that was based in Miami.

That was a double win for me because I started Bill, my client base with the hurricanes and the dolphins, and that was pretty huge being a South Florida guy wound to really, you know, dominating in terms of signing over the years a lot of the great hurricaine players and and then going on and on and a lot of the dolphin veterans as well. So I'd have to give Randall Hill a lot of credit. It's kind of a breakthrough guy for me in nineteen ninety one.

So after you kind of build out your stable clients a little bit, how, how quickly did you figure out that you are a guy that was going to enjoy being on television, you know, a guy that would not shy away from the spotlight if you had to be there? Because I know a lot of agents stay more behind the scenes than you. You're not afraid to do interviews and you're not afraid to do these press conferences and things like that.

Did you make a conscious decision that you were going to be more public facing?

I do think that early in my career I realized that in order to compete, I would have to be different and I'd have to take more chances. I'd have to be more aggressive. So I kind of stepped outside the box. And while most agents at the time were kind of behind the scenes guys and, you know, shied away from publicity, I sort of used it to my advantage. And I was on the cover of Sports Illustrated early in my career and and use that to sort of as a platform to get clients and was affiliated with things like Jerry Maguire and get a Burger King commercial and ESPN commercial.

And and these were years ago, you know. So no question, the media has been good to me and I've become fairly well known publicly. And that's been good for business, I guess.

Has there has there ever been a downside to that, though? Has there ever been a guy that you were going after was like, look, I want I would love to to use you as an agent, but you're you know, you go out in the public eye and maybe they have a stereotype of you, as is an agent that's too flashy. Has that ever worked against you? I think earlier in my career. That that may have been a factor with the few players, but probably not over the past decade, because I really I don't think I've done as much media over the past decade and certainly a lot less controversial.

Some of the media stuff earlier in my career was fairly controversial. The next question, press conference and some of the interviews that I had had to do with tough topics like Plaxico Burress and getting going to jail and things of that nature were tough. But I was on Monday Night Football talking about that at halftime. But I think over the past decade, guys, a lot of that turned more towards commenting about league issues or, you know, negotiations.

It hasn't been as controversial. So I haven't heard any players really use that as a reason not to hire us. Yeah, yeah.

And you've seen obviously a lot change over the course of your career in terms of the types of contracts that players are getting, whether it's more guaranteed money here, there some give away, take away unlike, you know, some of the injury or injury side of things. Where do you see NFL contracts like 10, 15 years from now? If you were to look at them like how much how much more progress do you think the players will have made in terms of like maybe getting some, you know, full, fully guaranteed contracts?

Well, I started when I was twenty two years old and now I'm fifty three. I'll be fifty four in October. So thirty two years in the business and I've seen the contracts grow incredibly and there's no reason why that won't continue to happen. I think right now we're even in the middle of a pandemic. You see blockbuster deals for guys around the league. Over the last couple of weeks, there's been some huge extensions. And, you know, even in the midst of the pandemic, we did an extension for a guy like Jerry Slay that made him the highest paid cornerback in the NFL.

For a guy like Javon Hargrave, we went from the Steelers to the Eagles, became the highest paying nose tackle in the NFL. I mean, I'm amazed every year with the growth, Kittel just became the highest paid tight end. He's not our client, but that will grow the market. We have two great young titans in John Smith and David and joka who will benefit from that, not to mention all the oldies but goodies.

Who will who will benefit from that in guys like Rob Gronkowski and possibly even Greg Olsen if they decide to play after the season?

Yeah. So I'm always curious this, because as fans, you always hear rumors about negotiations and when they start and if a team's getting close. Walk us through this from behind the scenes. You don't have to do a specific player, but at what point do you start talking about a contract extension? Like a guy gets drafted, he plays his first two years, three years. What point do you at least reach out to the team like the guys playing?

Well, the team likes him. When does the conversation start about a contract extension?

Well, if your client is not drafted and becomes a great player. You're able to work on a new contract after the second year, so you can actually, if you've got an outstanding player who was an undrafted free agent, some of our best clients are undrafted free agents like Shaq Barrett, who led the league in Sacks. But let's just use a Jesse Jackson, for example. He was undrafted coming out of college, and it's become one of the top corners in the league for the Patriots.

Yeah, I've I mean, I've touched base with the Patriots about Jayce, and he's only played two years. So for guys that are drafted, you can start talking really and do a deal after the third year. It really depends on your client and their prominence. We've done one hundred and three contract extensions and every one of them has different timing involved. But often I get started as soon as the players eligible after their third year for a draft choice or after their second year if a player was undrafted.

So so for Jesse Jackson, for that one, are you talking to Bill Belichick directly or are you talking to someone else in the Patriots organization?

Well, without getting too specific about J.C., one thing that I enjoy about the Patriots is I have worked with Coach Belichick on negotiations. I've also worked with Nick Istria and talked about contract negotiations. He's basically their general manager. But I've been able to work with Bill Belichick for 30 years now. And in many instances, he's the one that I'm working on the contract with. Other times it's it's Nick Istria. But they're both guys that have a lot of respect for and they're very good at their job.

And I've been able to negotiate quite a few deals with both of those gentlemen for my clients on the Patriots over the years.

And in a scenario where you have a player out of college who you're very confident that, you know, that this person's going to be drafted highly, how do you decide which player that you're going to go hang out in their living room or go to the actual draft and sit next to. How do you make that call?

Well, last year, for example. On the first night of the draft that was there, Brown, who we were pretty confident was going to be the tenth overall pick or the top 10, I should say, and he was the seventh overall pick by the Panthers. I'm talking a team, so I have a feeling, guys, of where our players are going to be drafted. On day two, I was with Josh Outré, who was the second round pick of the Patriots, and I was pretty confident that that Josh would be drafted in the second round based on my discussions with the teams and the interest that they had those players.

So where I am on draft day really depends on what the teams are telling me. I've got partners, my brother Jason, Robert Bailey, Ryan Matha, they'll go and stay with players as well. So we're with all of our clients during the draft.

Yeah, but if you show up, the player knows, like something's going to happen. Now, have you ever been in a situation where, let's say a player might start to fall and you know that you're on television, you know that those cameras are hitting you, whether you're in that player's living room or whatever it is? Have you been in a situation like that? And you're like, you know what? I got to start taking fake phone calls.

So it looks like there's a lot of interest in your client. You just like pick up the phone and talk to nobody.

It's funny you mention that if you guys do your research, Google Willis McGahee and Drew Rosenhaus and what happened with Willis McGahee is exactly what you just said. Wow. He wasn't drafted as NE yet. Right. And ESPN was at my house and they kept showing me and Willis and we were waiting for a call. So I called Willis McGahee and I'm on the phone with Willis and Willis is on the phone. And all these teams start calling me and saying, wait a minute, Drew.

Bruce Willis talking to see about to get drafted. We're thinking about taking him in the second round because everyone knows players don't get on the phone during the draft. Well, I wasn't specific. I didn't say he was on the phone with me, but the inference was that he was probably on the phone talking about getting drafted and he wound up getting drafted in the first round to the surprise of a lot of teams. And I think a lot of people felt that that particular technique of me calling Willis, being on the phone with him while he was on ESPN later turned out to be a pretty good strategy.

And the bills drafted in with the twenty third pick in the first round, I'd imagine that that's a great story and I'd imagine that type of scenario happens often, maybe not exactly on the draft day, but in your dealings with the league, because there's nothing like NFL team secrecy and scared of what the other teams are doing. I assume you're able to be like, hey, listen, I'm talking to a lot of people. And then and then everyone kind of drives up the price because they're all crazy.

Every every NFL franchise is kind of crazy in that way. It's it's a special league like that.

It's a very competitive league. And I try and use that to our advantage. I have to operate with integrity, guys, because I've been doing this for a long time and I represent a lot of players in the NFL and I have to work with all thirty two teams and they're not one off deals. Right. It's not like I can burn a bridge. I'm going to be dealing with the team again. So I cannot just fabricate stuff or make stuff up or I'll have no credibility.

But there are times that you obviously, you know, you can be aggressive in terms of stretching and I've done that from time to time.

Has there ever been and you don't have to name names, but has there ever been a time where not to your fault, but just the fact that the player maybe didn't perform to the level that they got paid it maybe momentarily burned a bridge where a team was like, we're not going to deal with you for a year or two or something like that. Has that ever happened?

No, I don't think the teams blame the agent. If a player doesn't play well, it's not my fault. If if I'm a hard negotiator, right. And I agree to a good deal with the team and then the player doesn't play well, they're not going to fault me for that. Right. So I haven't had that issue. I really haven't burned a bridge with clubs. That's why I've been able to do this for as long as I have guys and and represent about one hundred active clients in the NFL at this time.

I go out of my way to be aggressive for my clients and fight for my clients and get everything I can for them, but also maintain a relationship with the teams that involves honesty and integrity and fair communication. I think it's important you can't just go out there and and be a warrior and burn every bridge. You'll be out of the business in no time because your clients, they need an agent. They can communicate with the teams if negotiations just one face for a player.

Often it's communicating about an. Injury or back the draft or about a trade or how a player is performing, what he needs to work on my job isn't just to negotiate contracts. I'm involved in a litany of things that involve me having to have a respectful relationship with clubs so I can operate on my client's behalf. If I'm just this insane, let me just at all costs, negotiate contracts. That's not in my client's best interest either. I haven't had a hold out in a long time, probably a decade.

So I've been able to get things done and and and effectively negotiate, you know, a thousand NFL contracts over the past 10, 15 years without having any real acrimony with any given NFL team.

That's not very short like of you, though, Mark. That's more that's more like like a dolphin. Yeah, that's like the dolphin. Yeah. How do you like that nickname for me? You know what I would say a at times I'm a shark. At times I'm a porpoise. You know, you have to be you got to be flexible. You know, at times I'm a fish and a mammal. And I'm sure there's a lot of other descriptions that I've gotten from teams like who knows?

Yeah, but I what I will tell you is I take my job very seriously, guys, and it's a big responsibility to represent players. It's not it's not a joke for me. And as we kid around with acronyms for me, shark, a porpoise, I've got guys whose lives depend on me to be a professional, to recommend things that are in their best interests. The NFL is a short life span. Guys are dependent on you to give them right advice to be a professional.

And I take it very seriously and and for whatever my public persona is, the one thing that I can tell you guys is the most important thing to me is I always do what's in my client's best interest. And I worked very hard to be professional at this. I study. I'm prepared and I try to be a consummate pro every step of the way because my clients deserve that. So do their families.

How have you dealt with you know, you've been doing it for so long now, like you said, started in 1989. Social media has changed everything. Do you do social media courses with your clients? How do you approach that when a guy gets drafted or when you officially signed someone as being a client? Rosenhaus, how do you talk to them about social media and how they deal with all that?

I'm frequently discussing social media with my clients and the easiest way to explain social media to my clients. Is whenever you post something, just assume it's a press conference. Mm hmm. It's just like you getting up on a podium in front of the whole media and making a statement because everyone follows you on social media. People follow everything that you do. And that is what I say to my clients. Be aware that whatever you do on social media, it is it is equivalent to doing an interview and millions of people could potentially see it.

Hmm. So from my standpoint, that's the type of conversation I have. Remember when a lot of our clients get to us, they've been through college, so they've talked about this with their college coaches. Many of the guys get this conversation from the NFL teams as well. So there is an awful lot of education that takes place before it even gets to to me and my interaction with an athlete.

What about when you get a deal done for one of your clients? And let's just say it's a big deal like a Rob Gronkowski level type thing. When you sign that contract, do you have Ian Rapoport and Adam Schefter on the same text thread with each other? Because they tweet, tweet this news out within 30 seconds of each other. And I'm pretty sure that the the agents just copy both of them at the same time.

Well, guys, I'm not in a position to reveal my sources or talk about my relationships with any reporters. But in general, as an agent, I do think it's it's it's helpful to get along with the media. There are guys nationally that I have a lot of respect for, including when one of your good friends and Mike Florio. Yep. You have a good relationship with Mike and pro football talk. And really I'm responsive to any reporter that reaches out to me.

I try to treat them all with great respect. I try to get back to everyone, even if it's I can't comment or I can't help you with this. But but certainly I can't divulge the secrets of my right.

I will say I did reach out to Mike before this interview. I was like, hey, you got any juicy stuff I can press him on? And Mike responded, No, he's a good guy. Yeah. So, I mean, that's listen, you guys, it sounds like maybe he's on he's your first guy that you text.

Well, I'll tell you this. You guys have done a heck of a job. I mean, it's remarkable to see the growth of of your podcast and and your broadcasting careers. And it's it's fun to see, you know, I love this element of our business that there's so much opportunity surrounding sports and commentating and there's great content for fans. And you don't have to just turn on ESPN or NFL dotcom. And you guys are an inspiration to a lot of people out there that you can go outside the box.

Wait a minute, I take my hat off. We had off to way to butter us up. So so in releasing the contract news, you got to stay ahead of the curve because I think people are starting to catch up to this. I talk about it all the time. When that initial news comes out, it's always like fake money. They're like, oh, this guy signed for five years, two hundred million dollars. Then they look at it and they're like, well, they could cut them after a year and a half and it's only like twenty million guaranteed.

So how are we going to stay ahead of the curve? Because I think people are catching up to that first tweet is always like, wait a second, let's get the real numbers.

Yeah, I'm not a huge fan of inflating anything because all it's going to happen is the media is going to come back a day later and say, wait, this deal isn't what it was cracked up to be. So I'd rather just give you the facts. I think if you spin it, it's going to come back to bite you on the rear end. So I'm not a huge fan of of playing that game where you make it seem like it's better than it is because that only goes so far.

And I'm pretty straightforward when it comes to breaking down deals and talking about them when I do, because I don't think it's beneficial for my clients to put out an inflated or exaggerated contract and then it's just going to get assassinated or dissected the following day. I don't want to put my clients in that position. This is exciting for them to sign a contract. There's no need to, you know, to fabricate or, you know, kind of embellish on what these deals look like.

Yeah, go ahead. I was going to say one of your one of your most famous clients is Frank Gore. And I was just going to let you know that I appreciate Frank where he's been around for, what, fifteen years now for you as an agent. That must be like an incredible guy to.

Have on your it's like every year you like his Franklin retard. No, he's going to come out and rush for nine hundred yards again. We're going to take another bite of that apple this offseason. So how many more years do you think that Frank's got left in them?

Well, Frank is going into a 16th season, which is amazing for a running back in particular. And Frank is the third all time leading running back in NFL history. And one thing that is established, Frank, is an all time great guy, is he loves the game and he's a very hard worker. And I think Frank loves the game so much that he'll keep playing this game until he's told by all thirty two teams that there's no job for him.

I really do, Frank. Frank loves professional football. He loves to compete. He loves to play. He's a rare competitor. I don't think Frank will retire out of his own recognizance until the opportunities have dried up. And really at this stage of his career, he's got to take it one year at a time. And maybe it's a big year for the Jets. And I hope he does reunited with Adam Gase. If he has a big year, I wouldn't be surprised if he played again in twenty, twenty one.

But it's got to be one year at a time right now for him.

I've always been curious this. You have a ton of different clients. How do you decide who like who you're rooting for and after, let's say, the Super Bowl, you got clients going up against each other. Do you talk to the loser first or you try to talk to the winner first? How does that how do you always break that down? Do you have a protocol or is it by feel?

I think it is. I feel, guys, I think it is by feel. Usually I will talk to the winners first because they're in a good mood and they're happy and they're receptive and they're glad to see you. A lot of times guys need to cool down after a loss. If I'm on the field after the game or in a locker room, though, whatever order I see my clients win, lose or draw, I'm going to talk to them.

But if I'm in a position where I have to go to one locker room or another, typically I'll give the guys that have not won the chance to compose themselves and kind of get over the bitterness of defeat. They probably don't want to hear from me right after a game. When you lose when players win there, they're ecstatic to see you. And it's it's it's more welcome.

So how do you decide who you root for? Are you just rooting for your clients? You're basically like, I just hope all my clients do awesome and that's it. Or do you even have like a frank cause in the Super Bowl and he's up again. He's on the Jets, so. OK, well, yeah. So suspend all belief the cause in the Super Bowl this year and he's up against, let's say, Gronk. So it's Jets first Bucs.

Are you somewhat like deep down being like I really want Frank Gore to win this because Gronk has a few Super Bowls to his name and Frank doesn't have any.

You know, guys, that's a brilliant question. Thank you. And although I'm an agent, I am a human being and I care about my clients. I have to really tell you that I've grown to be very neutral over the thirty years that I've been in the business. You learn to kind of put your emotions in a box with the games and you just you're satisfied with your players coming out of a game healthy and hopefully playing to the best of their abilities.

I don't root for teams in the Super Bowl. If Gronk and Frank went against each other, may the best man win.

This is basically the next question. Answer. You're just doing the next question. Answer. Yeah, I mean, no, I'm just yeah, I really do quite well. I think my satisfaction of saying next question, next question, every time I think I know what you want to say and from your mindset, you have to you look at the NFL like it's your giant fantasy team. You've got all these different players and you just root for their staff.

Yeah. And so if it's Frank Gore against Gronk at the Super Bowl, you're hoping that both guys get three touchdowns. That was the most diplomatic diatribe you're about to go on.

I'm pretty good.

I'm pretty good at diplomacy at this stage in my career. But it's it's hard. I mean, you're emotionally attached to all your clients. And believe me, I've I've seen guys get injured game after game. So after thirty two years of gut wrenching pain as an agent watching these games, because I've seen Gronk blow out his knee, I've seen Gronk have a concussion, I've seen Gronk break his forearm. I mean, you know, I just want to see these guys come out healthy and play well, honestly.

Yeah.

Whether they win or lose, you know, I'm kind of calcified at this point on that. Yeah.

What about what about fantasy football, though? Do you play fantasy? Definitely not, because. I think it'd be a little bit of a conflict of interest. Yeah, right. I could just play a team with my clients, but that wouldn't be fair. So I don't play fantasy football. One of the tough parts, guys, is when I grew up here in Miami, I was a huge Dolphin fan, you shuriken fan. Like you would not believe.

And I can tell you very frankly that I miss being a fan. I miss I miss being a Dolphin fan, a hurricane fan, because now I just root for my clients and I'm not able to be a fan anymore. I can't play fantasy football. I can't just sit back and watch a game and cheer when the team scores a touchdown. Now I'm analyzing every play, wondering if my clients are playing, why this guy didn't play, why he missed the tackle.

Yeah, being an agent is a lot of fun. But I will tell you, when you become an agent, you football's now a business and not fun like it used to be. So that's the only downside I see so many people say to me, I love football. I'd like to be an agent. Sometimes I just want to tell them it's a great profession. I love what I do. But you lose the innocence. Yeah. Of being a fan, which is a lot of fun.

So you've had happened a couple of times that I know of, but maybe more times than, you know, throughout your career. But you've had to cut ties with clients. So basically the reverse of a client firing an agent, you know, Antonio Brown, Johnny Manziel. How does that how do how do you get to that conclusion? Is it like, you know, you tried, you tried, you tried and nothing changed? Or, you know, what exactly happens when Johnny Manziel or Antonio Brown situation, you have to cut ties with clients, you know, rather than shedding light on those two cases in particular out of respect for them.

And I want to rehash tough times, sir.

Either one of them fair? I think the answer is this. In general, my philosophy managed to stick with my clients as long as I can, as long as I'm effective, as long as my advice is being appreciated, as long as the client respects me and I'm effective at what I'm doing at the point in time where the client no longer cares for my advice or my recommendations or we're we're in conflict in terms of what a player should be doing, there's just no point in continuing that relationship.

So for me, if I if I ever get to the point past, present or future where I have a client that repeatedly disregards my counsel, we don't share the same philosophy on how they're approaching their life and their career. What's the point? And having me as the representative and if they're not going to cut the cord, then I will, because there's other agents out there that they might have a better connection with at that time. So, I mean, representing players is a very important job.

And if I can contribute and be important in a player's life, then I shouldn't be that player's representative anymore.

And one of the great magic tricks that that you pulled and I think it's been done a little bit recently, not just with Antonio Brown, but also this offseason. We saw it with with Jamal Adams, where a player is not happy for whatever reason on the team that they're on and they want to be traded. They're not a free agent. But in my head last summer, I reached the point where I thought Antonio Brown was a free agent. It seemed like it was a free agency period for him.

And how do you exercise the little leverage that you have with a player that's under contract to try to steer them to a team that they kind of put on their preapprove checklist?

It's a slippery slope in that, you know, the teams really don't want a player to be on their club that doesn't want to be there. You know, that's not productive. If you've got a guy that doesn't believe in that organization, doesn't believe in that coaching staff. Doesn't want to be in that locker room. That's that is counterproductive. So if you get to that point with the player. And that player doesn't want to be there to that extent, you really should trade that player, and that's not as much of a magic trick as it is unfortunate, because the downside is that when a player is that unhappy with the team and motivates your team to trade, not the best for a player's reputation moving forward either.

Yeah, and it's not the most conducive thing to the relationship with that new team or any other team. So I'm not you know, I'm not I don't think that that's anything brilliant or a magic trip trick. It's it's it's unfortunate for everybody involved when you get to that point, because it does have a negative effect on everybody in some capacity. Yeah. Remember, these guys have relationships with players and when they get traded, I mean, those relationships in many respects, they they suffer with coaches, with players.

And that's not fun with a client. And Darius Slay that got traded and he didn't leave on the best of terms, but that was hard on him because there is really cared about a lot of people in that Lions organization. But it was time for a change in. And that was that was a win win for everybody at that point in time.

Yeah, magic tricks. Probably not a great choice of words. It's more that's on me inside my own head where my dumb brain was like, oh, he's a free agent now. Like, at times I thought that he was because there are so many teams that were interested. But if it's a if it's a player that is that says, you know, publicly or privately to the organization here, like the four teams that I would like to go to, do you have any leverage at all to make that happen?

Or is it just you counting on the game to like do your player a solid and try to put them in a place where he's happy?

I think when you've got a client who's under contract, you don't have a ton of leverage as an agent because it's really up to the team to decide how they want to trade the player for what terms to what team. The leverage that I have is just to be professional and communicating with that team and share with them what we believe is in our client's best interests and in the team's best interest to try and find a scenario where everybody wins. The trade is beneficial for the player and beneficial for the team that acquires the player and beneficial for the team that trades the player.

That's what I'm trying to accomplish. And I guess the term leverage really applies to using my experience. I've been an agent longer than any other general manager by a wide margin at this time. So I try to share with these general managers my experience over my three decades in the NFL and try and encourage them to do what I think objectively would be in everyone's best interest. And hopefully that carries some weight.

Drew, this has been awesome. I have one last question. By the way. You're now a recurring guest, so whenever one of your clients is in the news, you have to come on our show to tell us about it, just so you know your problem. My last question is the Miami soft question of the day. Go to M.D. Dotcom GMT, get 15 percent off your first purchase.

How the hell did you get the Instagram handle at Agent? Oh, I don't deserve any credit for that.

One of the guys who works for me, his name is Kyle Lincoln. He talked to the people at Instagram. We got a lot of clients that we get verified and get handles and they were nice enough to give me the handle. I wish I could. That's boss.

That is the ad agent is the greatest handler to have. If you are like that makes you the best agent right there, you should just say that you should actually just have that on your business card. Just be like an agent. That's it. That's the only thing on the business card.

I wish that was the case and it was that easy, but it is a cool handle and I don't intend to change it any time soon. What about it has been a lot of fun with that handle. What about when you retire, when you walk off into that sunset, are you going to find another agent and sell it to them? One last score?

I'm sure I'll keep that handle. Why not? You know, even when I'm retired, I'm sure people will still think of me as the agent. Hopefully I've left that legacy over all these years. I've been doing it thirty two years. My goal is to get it up to fifty at least. And and then we'll go from there. We'll see what's next.

Well, you better hope that nobody grabs Superagent because then that would actually make you look worse if you're just agent or shark.

Well, shark wrestling agent Drew, though, this has been awesome. We really appreciate it. And like we said, you now legally are obligated to come on any time we ask you.

My pleasure, guys. You take care of the work. Thanks so much. Appreciate it.

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So drive sober or get pulled over. And now here is Jason Wright from the Washington football team.

Oh, OK. We now welcome on a very special guest. It is Jason Wright.

He is the president of the Washington football team. Awesome to have you. Just announced a week ago, huge hiring. You're the first black president in NFL history. Also, I would assume, going to change some culture in Washington football team. Can we start with the culture change and talk about the team name? Can we can we decide that right now? Because I know pfft. Really wants to red wolves. Yes. Let's do that right now.

If I heard you have a dynamic presentation for us. I do. Well, I mean, that is what I heard. Well, I said something about Colin Powell and yeah, I bet it's not it's not so roundabout like that, you know, caught my attention but I didn't quite fully understand.

I may have said that I would give a Colin Powell like UN presentation too. But then I ditched that. I scrapped that because everything that happened after that presentation. So this is just going to be me talking to you one on one. From a fan perspective, it's the Washington football team now. But yeah. Well, first of all, I'll say, if they make the Super Bowl this year, you know, you can't change that, right?

Like, it's just going to be watching football team.

I mean, that that sounds logical to me. Yeah. I think if we if we if we go to the Super Bowl this year, I think we will probably just all be kicking it a little bit. Yeah. Instead of worrying about things like this. Absolutely.

But if you do change the name, I really I feel strongly that it should be red wolves. First of all, you got Fred Smoot, who really created the movement behind Red Wolves. He's a fan favorite. He brings up some good points. The defense could be called the Wolfpack. I think that that dogs in general are criminally underrepresented at the professional level when it comes to sports mascots.

We do own the the Water Dogs Lacrosse Club. It's professional lacrosse team. But besides that, they're like no dogs at the at the major league level.

I think that you could do something like release wolves on the sideline before every game I'm talking about, like before the teams take the field buzzer.

That sounds highly litigious, but I hear you.

OK, here, here's the way. I don't worry. Here's the way I would do it, because we want to tie in conservation as well. Right? We want to be doing good things on and off the field. So if you just maybe eight o'clock on Sundays before in any home game, you put maybe three red wolves down on the field, let them walk up and down, just pace the opponent's sideline, let them, you know, pee and poop down their mark their territory, get the wolves back, take them back to their conservation, and then it's game time.

Guess what? Now the Detroit Lions are walking around, you know, ankle deep in wolf scat. I think that's a good home field advantage right there.

I like the way your brain operates, my friend. OK, so that's exactly the type. Yeah, exactly the type of, you know, disruptive thinking we need to get to a good answer. I can make no commitments to you right now, brother, but consider your application effectively submitted.

OK, here we go. Well that's. Yeah. Give no no don't keep going. He's got. Yeah exactly. You're right. Good guidance from your boy. Good guidance.

He said he said we submitted. OK, submitted it. Don't don't give away the free stuff.

Now I've got a million more ideas which to me save them because then they're going to bring you on as chief marketing officer. One more idea. Oh don't. The urinals are fire hydrants in the restaurant.

That's perfect.

So, Jason, you are also the youngest NFL president. History, is that also true, not not in, not just currently, just currently. All right, so how is how does that work when you're meeting with people and you're their boss and you're a lot younger than them and trying to you know, we talked to we talked to Sean McVay. We've had him on a few times. He talks about how dealing with guys in the locker room and he's their age.

How do you get over that?

I don't think it's something that needs to be an obstacle. And it's also not something I'm unaccustomed to, frankly. You know, I've been counseling CEOs for the better part of the last decade. It's not a lot. There's not a whole lot of, you know, 30 something CEOs running around. I think you build trust in a few ways. You build trust by being credible. So you know what the hell you're talking about. You build trust by being reliable.

You're consistent, you follow up, you do what you say and you build trust by being personable and making personal connections. And I think if I can do those three things that can bridge any age, divide it can bridge any demographic, divide, it can you can connect with folks and I'll plan to bring those to bear. And I'm not not too concerned about it. No.

On the flip side of that, do you think that maybe there's some underestimation that goes on that maybe might play into your hand a little bit? Have you experienced that in the past? Certainly.

That can absolutely, I guess, help you or hurt you. But I tend to be genderless. You know, I'm not super Machiavellian, dude. I don't have some grand twisted scheme to grab power. What you see is what you get with me. And the thing that excites me about this job and work in general is solving very complex problems, really complex, challenging problems and galvanizing a group of people to go and achieve it. And so for me, I'm actually just really about solving what needs to be solved and seeing the impact of it.

That's what actually excites me more so than Schemin and gaming. So you're right and it could play into my favor, but I'm just going to let it be what it is.

By the way, that was a very thoughtful answer. But the correct answer is you just need to grow a mustache and put on reading glasses and everyone would be like, wow, this guy's really thinking about that.

A, that's like that's like the little rascals sitting on each other's shoulders. Like the overcoat.

Yeah. It's really, you know, rock the mustache.

People like this guy is pretty serious about stuff. Maybe a bow tie. Yeah, that usually helps.

I mean, I got some grades from my last few years, you know, working in high intensity job. So, you know, just let those come out. Yes.

You do have a pretty big challenge ahead of you like to. The Washington football team is a team that has not had the best track record for the last twenty, twenty five years or so. Bill Parcells famously said, I think when he was hired by the Dolphins, first thing you do, if you want to change the culture, you change the carpets. So he just like change everything about, like, the layout of the place. Have you thought about, like, something small like that that could lead to a greater overall shift?

That's actually really insightful. No, no, I hadn't. But I actually like that. I think the principle there is psychologically we get used to our environment. And when you're in that environment, what you see, what you smell, whatever it is, get your mind in a place where you do things the same old way. So I actually really liked that. I hadn't thought about that, something like that, to sort of tangibly or physically change the game.

I've been more focused on some of the things that are related to what people experience, you know, person to person. You know, we have an independent investigation going on into sexual harassment. And, you know, I'm familiar with those that helped other companies move through those. And, you know, depending on where we're at and I don't know if it's better or worse than I think it is outside. Inside, it's basically the same information as, you know, until I start on Monday, I know the path to get us to a culture where people are empowered and there's good leaders and the right voices are in on the right decisions and there's transparency and all that.

That's what I've been thinking about more so. But I actually really like this idea of surrounding that with some more overt changes that start to shift. You know what you think it should look and feel like when you come to work actually like that a lot.

So you played college ball at Northwestern, running back at Northwestern, played in the NFL as well. Why, in your estimation, is Evanston the greatest home field advantage at 11 a.m. on a Saturday afternoon?

Because it is.

It is. I'm here for it, man. I'm here for it. Let's see. Let's see. Where do I start? No one's in the stands.

It's the the intense focus that you are able to achieve. No, it's it's the beauty of being able to walk on the lake and center yourself before you get out there to play an important game. It's it's the reminder that maybe the the students aren't there as early, but it's because they're about to be world leaders and CEOs and they had a little bit of studying. Oh, are journalists OK? So yeah. Or Yeah. Or running journalism. You know, we are.

We are, we are absolutely the journalism cartel. Right. So you know, so. It's OK if you didn't show up to the first kickoff, you weren't there tailgating three hours ahead if you're going to run the show. Yeah. OK, well, if I'm good with that good tradeoffs.

Yeah, I have a long standing belief that it is truly the greatest home advantage in all football. I went to University Wisconsin. I'm also a gambler. You know, I love to gamble and I always bet North-Western 11:00 a.m. because there's teams that have high school football, you know, kids who played at Texas high school football and bigger crowds than the 11:00 a.m. Northwestern. Come on, you can catch guys.

You can catch teams on, you know, sleepwalking. I mean, Northwestern, it's always when Wisconsin schedule comes out, you know, Ohio State can be tough, but if they're playing 11 a.m. in Evanston, that's when Northwestern catches teams.

Hold on. Hold on. We're going to get you up off of us real quick. You know, in my time at Northwestern, and you'll probably be able to verify this.

Yeah, either Wisconsin either. Either no, let's be let's be even let's take it one step further. Either never loss to Wisconsin or most certainly have a winning record against Wisconsin. I credit one and I credit my performances against Wisconsin of helping me get to the NFL.

So I thank you.

There you go. And it was and it was a game at Evanston, probably at 11 a.m. so it proves my point.

Oh, we're done. I'll say this. One of the most fun moments in college football is jump around in the fourth quarter. Yes. Badger State.

Yes, the. All right. So I had one more Northwestern question, because I do love college football. Twenty three Motor City Bowl MVP, probably the biggest award out there. I love that.

I love that bowl game because it's always like the ninth team in the Big Ten versus like the third team in the Mac. What was it like writing that was that was that was that one of the greatest achievements yet?

This should actually tell you how well I played in that game. I was the MVP, but we lost. There you go.

Yeah, we lost.

We lost. But I bowled. Yeah, it was a fun. I mean, college football is such a special thing and we're all in our our split mind of both, you know, understanding, prioritizing student athlete health and safety along with grieving and missing the experience this year. I think it's just a blast. You know what I remember most about the Motor City ball and my career in football in general are like the folks that I hung out with, the staff that I spent time with, you know, sitting with my dad in a Detroit casino.

Gambling. Yeah.

You know, like those those are the types of things that I remember from that trip, you know, much less the game that I don't know my family watched.

But yeah, the second longest, second longest Motor City ball history touchdown. So that's actually almost better than having the record in the Motor City bowl to be like, you know, this bowl, I'll take all of it and all of it.

And it was a life it was a lifetime ago. And let's be clear that if I tried to do any of it, I would pull ahead.

So so when you got this job, I think it was CBS Sports, they interviewed so many of your old Northwestern teammates. And one of them said, I think this is off the record, not by name, that he thought that by now you'd be president. So do you feel like a disappointment because you're not underachieved?

Yeah, no, I do not, because, you know, that's not, as I might say, in a more casual moment. I'm not about that life. I want I want no part of that life. I actually have a bunch of really close friends and Northwestern grads actually that are pretty high ranking in politics. And they've got a composure and patience and thoughtfulness that I could never achieve so they can have at it.

Are you worried at all being a notable Northwestern grad and there's many of them.

I'll give you guys credit for that, that Darren Ravell in his basement has like your Social Security card or like a piece of pizza you ate is like I do not I do know that I do know that Darren has some paraphernalia of mine in college athlete and his basement.

Yes. Yeah, I'm not. He sold it unless he sold it since then. But he did have something years ago.

Who gives a better pregame warm up speech, Darren Ravell or Mike Greenberg.

Oh, wow. Gosh, it's tough to decide. Can I can I can I put them together and make it, you know, this like this this Greaney highly Analytica and then energetic Darran, slightly erratic delivery, because I kind of want them both. I mean, together I feel I can. Yeah. If you combine them like a like a Voltron that would deliver the best aderet of all time, you get not only the add greedy, but also the analytics of how it breaks down and how many like different trinkets you can buy using that, that contract from Daryn.

Yes. I had a question for you about the team name and how things are like being implemented moving forward. Do you have, like, in other words, jar that you're going to put in the office? Or when anybody says the R word by mistake, you put like 20 bucks in there and then that goes to, like, paying on a temporary charge.

That's actually that's actually that's actually probably a pretty good reinforcing mechanism. But now the name piece and I've said this before, so I'm going to give it back what I said before, forgive me, but it's it's more than a name, right? It's it's actually reestablishing an identity. And it's actually a really hard thing to do. And I think if there's anything that I've learned over the past few days engaging with fans substantively for the first time, this is not an easy task.

And that's because it's so important, because it means so much to people, because the identity will inform the way that everything that comes out of the building is structured. It's going to inform the way we engage with fans. It's going to inform the way that when we do have people back in the stadium next year, that the fan experience is crafted. And then most certainly we're building a new stadium. It's going to really influence the design and the feel of that new place.

It's going to inform the what we do charitably in the community. And I think actually, if if we get it right, it's also going to inform the way that we treat each other within the organization and in our culture.

And and it has to hit a few things all in concert. And I don't know how it's going to come together, but I trust that the process will get us there. It's got to bring some sense of the historic nature of this club since nineteen thirty to forward into it. It can't really just be a brake brake as though nothing ever happened, right. Yep. It needs to have all of that historicity in. It needs to have the Hogg's, it needs to have the memory of a groundbreaking winning quarterback.

Like all of that stuff needs to be part of the go forward identity. But it also needs to have the values in the culture that Dan and Tonya Snider are pivoting us towards. That Coach Revera is driving. They brought me in to drive it. It's also got to it's got to capture the energy of the fans today, the diverse set of fans that we have today. It's also got to represent the DMV in a way that's unique. I mean, there's so many things that have to be threaded together in this.

It's really challenging. But I think the secret is going to be real engagement of the fan base that's frequent, that's meaningful. It's going to require us to engage the players, our staff. It's going to mean talking to leaders around the DMV area as well. We're going to need a lot of input to get this done and it probably won't land. Where everybody wants is there's only one there's only one thing you can string together for for a name.

Right. But hopefully everybody at the end of it, because of how we approach it, we'll be able to see their fingerprints on the process. They'll understand the depth of meaning that comes out in the new identity. And eventually it's not ever going to be on board at the beginning. Eventually, everybody understands and embraces this new identity and it brings us back together. And that's a bit of what we need as a family.

So how big of a priority is it for you to get the team to move back to Washington, D.C., maybe on the site that RFQ stadium was wise? That's something that you discussed in your interview process, or is that something that you personally know is going to be a priority?

Now, that has not been part of the discussions coming up. And I like the way you tried to intercept me. There I am. I am completely inoculated against interception, my friend.

And it is it is I've heard this for the last few days. It's actually really important to a large portion of the fan base to feel like it is a DC based team. But I don't know where the location discussions are. And I need to I need to catch up on that when I'm in office. But the the things that I am excited about and why the stadium actually is something that I got very fired up about. And in talking with Dan and Time and did a lot of brainstorming and wild throwing out wild ideas about is not just that in a stadium is a location where you bring families, it's where the team plays.

It becomes a sense of pride and identity for the fan base, but also it's an economic driver for the region. And if you look back on sort of my track record before this, I talk a ton at McKinsey about economic development, what it does for communities, how it's able to uplift various types of people in various types of businesses, and the idea of being. Being able to help craft how that capital that goes into the stadium flows to businesses and communities, and then the wealth that's generated from the stadium flows into businesses and communities, for me as a bit of the challenge of a lifetime to do it in a way that's aligned with my values and espouses equity in a really beautiful way.

So that's what I'm excited about. And I know irrespective of location, that's the lens I'm going to bring to it. But I'm hearing people loud and clear now, my friend there. There are strong opinions in many directions, but not much stronger than people's desire to see the identity routed to the district in some way.

So you mentioned that you're starting on Monday. Have you given your press conference yet? Have you done a press conference yet? No, I haven't.

I haven't. I don't know. You know, I don't know if I'm a press conference, you might. It's going to you guys can advise me. You guys can advise me on what will resonate with. Well, with these folks.

You start with a joke, so you've got to have that ready. I would assume you're going to do a press conference at some point. So we need to. I'm sure.

I'm sure it will. I'm sure it will. But here, I'll tell you what I care about when it comes to media engagement, because I'm I'm a I'm agnostic to the format. You won't put me from a podium, put me in front of you. Let me be here with you all, which is quite casual and comfortable. Like, that's good to like I'm good with whatever. But I think what's in there are a few things people to understand clearly.

How the culture that we're creating comes across in the day to day, and in order to do that, I need to be a bit authentic. I need to pull back the curtain a bit on like what's going on in the building and, you know, everything that's going on in the building. But you need to know something about it for it's to be authentic and credible and really signal a new direction. You know, I want to be I want to I want to listen a lot.

I want to be in forums where I'm not just talking at people, but I'm also taking in input. You know, I got an application here today. I got a few other ideas today. I got an attempted attempted interception here today. Like, I want to take those inputs, you know what I mean? I want to take those inputs and I want to listen. And so whatever format it's in, I want that to be part of it as well.

And then, you know, I want them all to be focused on moving us forward in some way, not just to look at myself, because I can do that in a mirror. And it's not just to hear my own voice because I can do that singing in the shower. And it's actually about something that moves us towards our goals in some way, communicate something meaningful to the fan base. So I just want to be a little bit action oriented about it.

Does that does that make sense? Yes, absolutely. Right off the bat. It's helpful in your introductory press conference if you know what the colors of the team are. So, for example, if somebody asked you what color the Redskins are excuse me, Washington football team. Twenty dollars in R WordStar. Sorry, you you should not say maroon and black like Jim Zorn did in his first press conference. So it's burgundy. Yeah, burgundy and gold.

I'm just going to hammer that burgundy gold. That's good. I'm yes. Understood and understood. Another health. Do you mind if I give you a piece of advice? I don't know.

Oh, please, please fire away. I'm taking.

OK, so this is a very important thing you need to figure out. And this is going to be very tough for you because obviously you've got an athletic background. You need to find a sport that Dan can beat you in because I don't know if he'll be able to just, like, take you on to the racquetball court like he did with Vinny Cerrato and like, beat beat him, you know, like twenty one to nothing. Feel good about himself.

Then go back home. You need to find sport. He can consistently beat you at that. You always go out. That's a good way for you to maintain that.

You're actually really good advice and something, you know, something you might know about me.

There's literally only one sport that I'm good at and that is American football. I am actually quite bad at everything else. Maybe track. I could probably beat them in a foot race, but that's everything else I might get wiped the floor with. So, you know, that's a safe bet. That's good to know.

It's kind of a cool thing to be like. I'm only good at one sport and I also played pro. All right. I had one I had one last question. Very good. I was very, very good athlete.

I had one last question. So, Jason, right. You went to Northwestern. You were a football star there. You went to the NFL, you played in the NFL. You went and you were star at or no, sorry. You went to University of Chicago grad school. You then went were star at McKenzie. You're now the youngest current active NFL president. Has anyone just been like, dude, you're kind of a nerd and a big time overachiever?

I'm very much a nerd and I absolutely embrace that because you make us all look bad.

Yeah, you hide it. I mean, I actually like and I have I mean, I have I have Star Wars socks on right now.

You're making us look bad. That's really what it is. I don't know. I'm I am sorry. You're I feel like you all are doing quite well on your own. So you should just you know, maybe it's maybe it's more of a self reflection thing to realize how much you have actually achieved.

Now, that's you know, that said that said, I am I am my own worst critic.

So, you know, overachiever is not a label that would apply to myself. I think there's a lot of room for growth and this job is going to stretch and grow me. And that's what I'm excited.

I just see a resume like this. I did the same thing. There was a kid who Scott Harris used to work for the Cubs. He was like, I think he became the theos like right hand man when he was twenty six. And I wrote a blog being like, what the fuck, fuck, this guy is such an overachiever. I just read a resume like yours and I'm like, how did he have enough time?

Like, yeah, it's impressive man. It's what it is like. Well actually so people say this about sports often, you know. Yes, there's like work and preparation and all of that. But most things it's about timing and opportunity. And frankly, that's that's what it's been for me. You know, I chose to you know, when I first break in the NFL, it happened because a bunch of people got injured. Do you know what I mean?

Right. And that allowed me to get on the field, show what I could do and establish myself. It's not I was working hard all the time. I was, you know, being my best self all the time. But it took a serendipitous moment for me to jump in. It was this. The same thing when I chose to retire and go to business school, the timing worked out in a way where I got into a career and got experience that led to this.

I had enough experience at this moment for this to happen. And this whole thing came together out of the blue, our networks, my network in the Snyders that were just crossed at the right time. So, yeah, there's like, you know, you prepared you went to school, you got decent grades and all of that. And I don't want to downplay that. However, a lot of it has to do with just things coming together at the right time.

And for that, I'm just grateful.

Well, you even through this interview, you've given like three or four answers where I'm like, damn, how how can a person be so thoughtful?

Like, I just don't have the words that you have in your in your that a lot of how many words you wanted to know what you got. So many words, dude. I have the best words, all the best words and go ahead. I was just I don't know, you finish what you say and the greatest accomplishment, the second longest touchdown in Motor City history.

Now that's clearly that's clearly at the top of my list of my resume, actually. Well, I'm rooting for you. I want I want the Washington football team to succeed.

I'm sure you've heard this so many times, but that district, D.C., Maryland, Virginia, the DMV is it's a football community that has longed for a successful football team for the last twenty years. We've had glimpses here and there. But if if the team can come together like you are in a prime position, actually, you're kind of buying low in a way. You're buying low. There's a real opportunity here. And you could be a God, you could be a God to people in in Virginia, D.C. and Maryland.

If this succeeds and I'm pulling for it, man.

Well, I'll quote Captain America, my nerdy side. There's only one guy in them and doesn't doesn't wear the. So I'll pass on that. But I will I will align myself with your aspiration and your and your goal. And that is Coach Revere has already started a movement that I think is going to get great performance on the field. And I will both get us out of his way on the business side and do some things that really make the fans excited about it.

Again, that's what I that's what I hope you guys.

Well, that's interesting. I appreciate that. But where where is the exact line between what your job is and with what Coach Rivera does? Because Coach Rivera, he's taking on more than just a traditional head coaching role. He's very intimately involved with the operations of the team. So, like, where is that line where you stop and he starts?

Yeah, it's super clear to me this and that. And that's a good thing. I think, you know, I heard it. It really helps performance. Coach Rivera oversees the football side. One hundred percent. That's everything from the players that are selected in the draft to the players that are on the field, the scouts that are on the squad, the trainers that are in the training room, everything that goes on, that goes into what happens between the lines is, is Coach Rivera all day.

And if you think about it in a really simplified way, his metric is wins and losses. Right. Me on the other hand, I run all the business operations that surround it, the marketing, the sales, the stadium operations, everything that happens just off the grass, anything that happens off the fan experience, anything that happens off the grass that's in my area. And if you think about if his is wins and losses, mine is franchise value in dollars and cents, you know, and that's the way to think about it.

Our disparate roles.

Awesome. Well, Jason, thank you so much. Really appreciate it, man. Best of luck and good job being being you and being an overachiever. And it's OK that you put all of our resumes to Shambhu. The world needs people who are just kicking ass like you. You know, I feel comfortable saying that you got a position of power. It's like that's good.

Received. Yes. The Washington.

Thank you, sir. Oh, wait, I forgot one last question.

You try it again. This is attempted and subject to the list for your you're we're not going to give me your middle name is Gomillion.

Yes, it is.

Yeah. That's fucking awesome. That's not a bad name either. Watching Kill Millions. Dammit, dude, you're way cooler than everyone.

Well, I mean, I'm not the one, you know, at work in jeans with my sneaks and feed.

That's true. I do. I am having a good time. Yeah. I don't have it like that.

I have it like I feel like that was an exception to he stopped slacking. Do you sit up straight. No, I think that he's accepting you to amazing. It's classic trick. He's he's making us feel good. So that will be like. Yeah you are. We'll keep complimenting. Yes I know. You can't insult me into future compliments. You're doing a great job.

Yes. Yes, I think so. Maybe I'll finish this and maybe get some collar stays. Dude, the collars look a little wrinkled. Collars are perfectly normal.

So there we go. There we go. Let's go. Let's go. Yeah, come on. Get some wireless here. Why this year? You're the president of a team. How do you have wires still? How are you doing? Maybe tie and we're here for surgery on this surgery. That really isn't like I said. Thank you so much, man.

Appreciate that interview.

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OK, let's get to some of billi sheet that will do fire fest and wrap up the show. What you can say.

Hank George Karl this leg. Yes Ed.. But did you see what Mark Johnson actually said.

Yeah, he didn't actually go at George Karl really. He didn't say anything.

He was just like, you know, coaches should be held responsible for like not having played defense during his career, which is like a lot of coaches, which is also very weird because Melo actually did kind of play defense in Denver.

And George Carlin said, I heard Mark Jackson's taking shots at my defensive coaching during tonight's broadcast. Remind me, how many all star teams did you coach, Mark? How many wives, how many finals appearances? How many of my teams became Dynasty the right after?

Oh, well, I mean, marketing a sub, he looked like a sub shot and just one no more can hit him with the dynasty that took over when he left.

Like that is the ultimate Mark Jackson stat. He was he happened to be.

Now, that's what he used that. Oh, yes. Yeah. Which is a dis. OK, so my teams became Dynasty, right?

I was the piece. I was the missing piece. I thought leaving thought stumbled into the only thing that Mark Jackson could reply with. But that's a major case of like if you throw a rock at a pack of dogs, the one that you hit is the one that's going to bark at you. Well, you know that one. Me how many? It's it's wrong to say a hit dog will holler. So like hitting dog they could. I'm not personally but somebody you made up the statement has said that.

But it's a classic case of like he's talking about everybody. George Karl took it personally because he knows that there's a kernel of truth here.

He just goes down to the East River after we record you. Just grabs a bunch of rocks looking for dog. Sorry, you don't know, coming saying no, I know that, but I just I don't like to do things that talk about hitting dogs route. Apologize.

I will do a full and then do a home run call. I will not, I will not do a home run call in the middle of your apology.

Listen, I said some things about dogs that I wish I could take back and Dwight Howard within Bounce Pass. And I think that when you look at it, I wasn't actually saying that about the dogs. And there's a deep three and the Lakers are now up by infinity points for twenty four left in the fourth quarter. But again, it's not about me in the dogs, it's about George Carlin interpreting that as a slam on him.

Oh, all right. So quickly, before we get to fire first sheet, he did it.

He was saving the trees. Now, Bill, double sided dam.

Wow. Where'd you learn how to do that? Settings. Yeah. Oh, the IG model who sucked off the Suns is getting money. Yeah. Oh I'm only saying maybe forty six thousand in a day. A day. Hell yes. Get your cash.

Wade says that. Yeah. Holy fuck. Good for her. Good for her. You got it.

Listen there's opportunity knocks just but once or twice in life and you got to open the door. She also maybe to five or six of opportunities for her.

Another benefit that she got was her family disowned her and so she got fired. But her job was in her dad's accounting office. That's awesome that you got fired from that. That sounds miserable. And then you made forty six thousand dollars in a day on only.

Good for you. I told Hank this, but after we talked about the Phoenix Suns thing on the show on Tuesday night, I went to. I went home and I dreamed about the show, that's how fucked up my brain is, I dreamed about the show and Billy was, like I said, that Devin Booker went first. And then Hank said, that's weird because he's usually a last shot kind of guy and good in the fourth dimension. Redish You ready to head OK?

Four for invading my brain with one of his good jokes, a joke that was nice, like subtle like brag that you're dreaming and jokes.

No, I dream about the show sometimes and I wish that I didn't. Yeah I yeah I probably do so many jokes in your head.

Yeah. You have to treat them people's body. Nice. Yeah. Bread. And then Joe Rogan was sitting next to Hank and he was like that's that's fucking hilarious dude. All right. Ever go hunting for elk.

We had Bryson DeChambeau do something very like triple B of him. He asked spectators to be quiet because it really bothered him because like no one there because sound travels.

Cat, you didn't finish the sentence. He said, can you keep it quiet? And then he turned back and added helpfully, I might add, because sound travels this guy.

So a bit.

Yes, yeah, yeah. Challenge Bryson Shamba to a rough and rowdy, rough and rowdy Don because he's a fucking pussy.

He might fuck you up to sleep. He might fuck you. He's like big.

Yeah, but you, you don't have, you don't have fifteen minutes worth of footage of you working out silently. Right. You also don't have man strength yet. I have a lot more. No you don't have man strength yet. Like you're strong but you don't man strength I think.

OK, you should make a video. All right.

Let's also let's not use the P word pejoratively.

Billy, I would like to apologize because I'm in college. I made. And that was actually a test. Billy, you are. You are. There you go. There you go. Ersoy for apology. You go, Billy. You failed that test.

All right, let's do a fire first and we'll get out of here. Hank, fire fast.

You can actually test this one. I was longboarding, you know, previous fire. First it broke. I got a new one.

I was dipping home and I hit like a pothole, pretty much full yard sale, went flying, scraped up my arms and legs.

That's just live in the rad life, though. Yeah. Like, that's the you take risks. It was that you got to waste it sounds like. Yeah.

Full full on. There was like a really old lady that like it was like out of a movie.

She was like oh there's a hospital right there. I was like I'm good, I'm going to get on my skateboard and keep going. Hockey hospital is where you need to go to hospitals.

Like, I mean, like I was like, come on, chicks dig scars.

Yeah. I bike over that exact same pothole every night when I go home and it's to the point where, like, I have to stop my bike and drive around this huge thing in the intersection. So shout out to Blasio. That's probably where he buries all the fucking groundhogs he murders.

Fuck you, de Blasio. Oh, by the way, I totally forgot that Kevin White is back.

I should have mentioned that he has. Shut up, Kevin. You got to work out with the Jets, right? That's why I want a Super Bowl with him. Dez Bryant got to work out with the Ravens.

Yeah, Dez Bryant. They hit Dez Bryant. I love when old players.

Now, this was never the fastest guy, but they showed he one of his trainers put out a clip of him running against air and he looked slow and was like, were we supposed to be impressed by that?

He's a convert. He's converting to a tight end. He'll be fine. Yeah. All right. What's your favorite? My favorite part of the week is that 750 genetically altered mosquitoes are being released into Florida. So that shouldn't be a problem. That sounds great. It violates my my one rule of if an idea sounds like something that a movie villain would say as like his grand plot, then don't do don't do that. Stay away from it.

When you say 750 million, really, you should never release 750 million of anything unless it's in a Phoenix hotel room, dollars dollars into the bank on a bank account.

My economy. Yep. And that's fine. But if it's mosquitoes, first of all, fuck mosquitoes, why are they genetically altered? So they're genetically altered because they don't want them to breed. I did a little bit of background on this. And so the female larva are going to die, but the male larva will grow up and then they'll pass on the gene that kills all the female larva, because I think they want the males to mate with other mosquitoes, which in the long term will kill all the chicks.

I don't want to be a douche bag, but you get that totally wrong. Oh, no, go on, enlighten me.

Bit. So they releasing seventy five genetically altered male mosquitoes. Maybe if you hadn't killed your frog, then all these mosquitoes wouldn't be so terrifying.

That's what she lived a hard life.

OK, you want to guess? I'm just saying, if there were a few more bullfrogs out there, you didn't have to do anything. You know how it works, because that's actually really it's actually kind of interesting. Yes. It was a sweet releasing.

Seventy five million ionno million. The exact numbers on seven hundred and fifty million out into the Florida Everglades of male genetically modified mosquitoes that will then mate with female mosquitoes, which then there transformer's.

How do they know that they're all males because they feared them. They little because they engineered them that they don't ask for your male mosquitoes would die.

So. Than all the baby mosquitoes have asterisks because they're like, yeah, you know, basically there's only be it's going to be a totally best ratio, dude. And guess what? Mosquito dudes are chilcote's. They don't bite. Oh, that's why they're doing it.

Interesting. So they just buzz they still buzz in your ear, which is just as bad.

They should release them all on a Saturday. Yes. And guess what? Yeah. Saturdays do it for the mosquitoes, for the mosquito.

Your total sausage fest on the Everglades. OK, Bill, you wanted your first professor. You want me to do mine?

I mean, you go first. Here you go. You sure? Yeah. OK, Sitrick. No. OK, right.

I'll try to think of a. Yeah. No, I have one.

So I have a puppy that's growing into a dog. What.

Yes. Yes. Large. And I feed this puppy a lot and I feed it.

So basically when I make meals I sometimes make my puppy meals as well.

And so like steak, sometimes I give them like a lot of my steak.

Anyway, he's taking just shits shits everywhere on the inside.

So I take him outside. You haven't trained? I've trained him, but I take him outside for like two hours. Like, we're out there chillin and then I take him inside me. These shoes, I bring them inside, he just shits.

That means you have not trained him to get inside is outside. That's so not true. Also, it's a barn. So like inside and outside, it's kind of a nebulous concept.

But that's not trained. I know, but I don't know what to do. You got to be trained dog. So I do train him. So I take all the poop, throw it outside though, and eat. So you need to go outside and when he poops outside, you give him a treat for pooping outside and you don't give him a treat inside. You make it a big deal when he uses the bathroom.

And I use it when I when when I first stop the cell. She actually didn't poop inside, but we had to do the pee training. I got a big thing of roast beef and every time she peed outside, she got some roast beef, never got roast beef for any other reason.

It's all about positive reinforcement with your dogs, like when you had a fire first. A great job, Billy. Good job, Billy. Who's a good Billy, right?

Billy, do you want one? Oh, yeah. Like a stinky treat that smells great. And it's like, oh my God.

Have a beer. Have a beer. Good boy. That's true.

Yeah. But the worst part is, is the flies. So I have a huge fly problem because there was a window open and he pooped inside.

I have a shit ton of flies in my house.

Again, problems that having a aggressive frog as a pet would solve neatly anyways.

Christ. All right. That's just what my frog's dead, so we can't eat the fly. Right?

I feel like there's other animals probably in the barn that are also pooping inside, just showing the dog the like.

Go ahead. We do it all the time anyway. Are the chickens. The chickens are outside. Chickens are outside.

All right. All right. My fire fest is I stumbled accidentally on the perfect crime and now I think I'm going to have to go through with it.

So I had Dana and Marty mushiness been on the show.

Marty Bush came over to my apartment the other day to take a piece of furniture away because they're moving in. They don't have furniture. So I gave him a piece of my furniture and it's a new building. So I haven't met all of my neighbors. So I'm outside with them. They're loading this big piece of furniture and escalate. I'm holding my son and a guy walks in and he gives me a look like these guys robbing the place because it's Dana and Marty.

And then he looks at me holding a baby and he's like, no, they wouldn't rob a place they were.

They wouldn't rob a baby. Maybe you're stealing the baby, too. Well, I'm thinking like if we rob the bank, but I went casually holding my baby. Who would ever think, like, this guy's robbing a bank like, no, he's holding a baby.

Yeah. If you if you're wearing a Bjorn and inside that Bjorn, you've got like an extended mag. Find the floor. Yeah.

I think I need to get into a life of crime. Using my son is like pretty much everyone has a profita as a fall guy.

I think it will be a fall guy if you're wearing scrubs too. That helps. No one ever thinks that a nurse or doctors robbing a place.

It was like, I can't charge someone that young. Right. And the guy looked at me and he was like this guy because they do. Marty and Dana do look like they would be robbing someone and they were like struggling to put it in the back of an Escalade. And it was like, what's going on here? And then he saw the babies. Like, now they're he's he's he's a dad. He can't steal. Yeah, that's great.

I mean, so I have to go back in the day how people would have kids and they'd make them work for them on the farm.

This is what your kid just like take them to a convenience store and work your way out.

Should we try it tomorrow? Family crime syndicate. Yeah, we'll know you. What are you walks in and just grab something and we're like, no, we're just sitting here with a baby like who's going to say no one. No one would ever suspect that. No one would also I mean, you could have your son just like hand the teller at the bank a note saying, like, we're robbing him. Then technically your son robbing. Right.

Your only crime was being a bad father.

Right. Or good father, if you want to spin on it. Yeah, the adrenaline getting them hooked on adrenaline at a young age, it's important to have hobbies as well. Mm hmm. All right, that's our show. Traces of kids' handwriting. That's also true. Yeah, we've tried it with Hank. Yeah.

All right. That's our show. We'll see everyone on Monday. Have a good weekend. More sports, more sports. What's the Chuck Burton sports, sports and more sports. Sports, more sports and sports is more sports at seven. That's a big snag.

Thousand dollars play Brazil on Monday. Yeah. Yes, Cornhole. And we got a big guest coming on Monday as well. Huge. Get excited. Huge guest. Love you guys.

Billy, your final thoughts on Monday, you're going to find out that I was offered a job. Oh, a prestigious firm.

You'll find out on Monday. It's going to be very interesting. And I'm wondering if I should take it. Tune in Monday.

You, Billy, actually does want this job. When the person left, Billy was like, should I go up and ask him for a business card?

I said, definitely you should.

I'm joking. I love you guys. I'll never leave you.

I am snacking. I am snacking Cheetos, Pringles from French fries, chicken nuggets, ice cream sandwich. What am I crazy? What am I crazy? I am saying I am sick. I am sick of hearing Pringle's from French fries, French fries, crap chicken, chicken nuggets, ice cream, ice cream, ice cream sandwich. But I am sick. I am sick. And I. I second. It's pardon my take presented by barstool sports.