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When I first threatened to run away from home, my parents packed my bags for me, his parents volatile relationship. Dad flipped the dining room table into the ceiling, got up and began to stalk.

Mom, I really want to know how you were able to break the cycle, his fairy tale romance, what it was about her that you knew that she was the one.

And that's a love story from a man and an RTT exclusive. I was not able to talk to her as my mom for about eight years. The woman who raised Owen, Matthew's mother husband, died making love to me.

I had worked about a big boy. Where are you? Plus a surprise reunion. Thirty years in the making. Wow. Yeah.

All right, RTT fan, we've got a superstar coming to the table. Your name is Mr. McDonough.

I'm excited about the day he's a husband, a father, an Oscar winner, and now he can add best selling author to his list of accomplishments. Two and a half years ago, Matthew went into what he calls solitary confinement in the desert, and he spent weeks alone without electricity, sifting through thirty six years of personal journals to write his new book.

He calls it a love letter to life.

And I got to say, it is one of those books that is full of gems and a lot of revelations.

Matthew Magida, what's happening there? Best selling author right now. You like on the top of every list.

It was great. It is good. The reception is. I could have hope. Yeah.

We were talking about your book as a family idea that really sparked for us was breaking familial cycles, cycles that need to be broken.

I mean, it's taken me for. What, 20 years, you know, like kind of break my own familial cycles, you know, within my family, within my relationship. I disagree with that, though. With me. Yes.

Sorry, Matthew, but to have a family member here real quick and I love it.

In what way? Certainly in how you raised your children. Yeah, I definitely was able to break that cycle. Don't ignore the hate on that. Yeah. On the cycle breakers you've created, because that was a huge difference because I raised you the way Mommy raised me. But you did something totally different. But that which was to time. It did and was learning while you were doing it. Back to you, Matthew.

And I'm taking notes of him writing things down.

I really want to know how you were able to. Break those cycles, because from what I understand, your parents had a really intense relationship way, they loved each other the way that they loved each other.

Matthew's parents were locked in a volatile, sometimes physically violent relationship. His book Greenlights starts with an incident between mom and dad in their kitchen.

Sure you want more potatoes, fat man? She barked. Look at you. Fat belly years. Sure.

Eat up, fat man. She yapped as she scraped overwhelming amount of mashed potatoes onto his plate.

That was it. Oh, Dad flipped the dining room table into the ceiling, got up and began to stalk Mom. She ran to the wall mounted telephone on the other side of the kitchen to call 911 one. As he closed in, Mom grabbed the handheld end of the phone off the Wal-Mart and raked it across his brow.

Dad's nose was broken, blood was everywhere. Mom then ran to the cab and pulled out a 12 inch chef's knife and squared off at him.

Come on, fat man, I'll cut you from your nastier Gulliver.

Little five year old Matthew hid behind the couch in fear. Seconds later, they move toward each other and met in an animal embrace.

They dropped to their knees, bend to the bloody ketchup covered linoleum kitchen floor and made love.

A red light turned green. Oh, it sounds like to me that you wanted to do the your relationship with your wife a bit differently.

Let me start by saying this. I maintained much more than I broke the chain of how my parents raised me.

I have different means with which I communicate with my wife than my mom and dad did the way my mom and dad communicated. I always tell stories of sort of discipline or even fights that my parents had as my greatest love stories in our family. I think the reason I do that is that those were the times where the. The love in our family, it seems like it was being challenged the most and it might break. But it never had a chance.

Hmm. You know, my mom and dad had a very passionate relationship. Twice divorced, thrice married, but once again, the loved one. If a loved one, it would have been twice married, thrice divorced. Belove ended up winning three. A lot of times it was like, I love you. I just don't like you right now.

The love was never in question.

My mom to this day is 88 with her middle finger that goes won't, won't, won't, won't, won't, because it's been broken four times because she banged my dad in the head until he's got to stop it.

Right.

She picked those fights and she to this day would say that's what I needed to communicate. That's what I needed to communicate. Wow.

Now I go beyond that. I don't need that. I'm glad my wife doesn't need that. But, hey, that's how you all wrote my mom and dad. Their relationship is like a hurricane in the Pacific. I'll take a river with a few rapids.

My threshold for like, whoa, when I catch myself is if I even raise my voice in our household, I immediately have an alarm that goes off that says, well, I'm kind of like, what did you not handle getting to this point that you had to raise your for?

Your father and I were like that, too. We were very conscious of not. Raising our voices, I would all try not to hurt you were upset because you got real quiet. Yes, exactly. It would just get real quiet and I'd be like, oh, OK. They really getting into it now. So it's so funny that you that you you use your voice being your barometer.

Yeah. The tone of it.

Yeah. I've got a pretty quick threshold for that and I'm not perfect at it, but I do at least start doing inventory very quickly. If I get to where maybe my remark will be sharp y you know, and I'll go OK.

All right. Mr. Cool.

What we've not handled getting to this point where we had to get like, you know, the other thing is I have different means with which I am still the same values in my children than my parents did in me. They were from a different era, too. It was the era of you were a kid. And you ask why?

It was because I said so. Exactly.

Yes, it we're talking about this. This is not up for discussion because I'm your parent. I said so the N and in our family, you didn't get grounded if you got in trouble, because as my mom always said, that would be taking your time away from you in time is your most valuable asset.

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When I first threatened to run away from home, my parents packed my bags for me.

I learned to swim when my mom threw me in the L.A. River and I was either going to float off the rocky waterfall 30 yards downstream or make it back to the bank. I made it to the bank. There was nothing fictitious about the love, though.

The love was real bloody sometimes, but never in question.

I never got injured.

But I do remember the values that were instilled in me from the bottom up. And I got my first one for not answering to my name. I got my second one for saying the word. I can't. Instead of saying I'm having trouble, I got my third bottle open for Lyon and my fourth for saying I hate you to my brother. So what I remember is that those four times I got in trouble, I earned it. And the reasons I got in trouble were answer to your name, love, don't hate, have trouble doing something, but don't say can't tell the truth.

Don't lie. I'll even go so far as to say this. I remember one night I got in trouble for my dad for lying and all you kids out there. If you get home and one of your parents is on the phone awake when they would be asleep and they ask you, did you steal pizza tonight? It means they know you did.

But I said, no, I don't think so.

He gave me to breaches the fourth chance. And I lied again. I got it back in. What I remember that is the tears in my dad's eyes because he was brokenhearted, that is dog on son couldn't tell him the truth. It wasn't about the stolen beads. It was about you lied to me, son.

Pride that broke his heart hurt him a whole lot more than that. Back end hurt me like he wasn't being a good enough dad. If he had taught me why, I couldn't even tell me the damn truth about stealing the damn pizza.

No one. I was disrespecting him. What he was trying to teach you is that. And you're disrespecting yourself. The truth.

Yeah, well, that was one of the rules in our house with the kids. It was like for me, the safety circle is the circle and tell me the truth, not going to get in trouble, but if you lie to me, it's going to be hell to pay.

I had a couple I had a couple of hell to pay. I tried it. Yeah, you did try me. I tried. I tried both. I tried. And I was the Trier years.

Are you a Scorpio, Matthew? I am. So this OK the Scorpio's that I know. All right. You seem very chill. You seem like you seem like super chill. You're not you're not a trier, you know.

I mean but me, I was trying my parents at every chance that I got. Well, yes, you should try it.

You're Scorpio's well. Oh. Full phone thing. Oh.

I mean, look, my thing is Scorpio's always equated to the Incredible Hulk. Remember that show, you know, mess with Bill Bixby.

One time he says, no, thank you. I don't want to fight most of them two times, please. I said, I don't want to fight with them. Third time he turns green and doesn't just get even. He gets way ahead. Yes, that's a Scorpio.

That's a Scorpio four. Yeah. Yeah.

I go about. Sort of teaching my children differently, I do have longer conversations with my children about things and why, you know, how that goes sometimes at sunrise the next day, like, are we still here?

Sometimes it gets to that point. You know what?

Just because I said so that you can get outlasted mean at times they were like, we wish we wouldn't have made them ask why so much? There are so many questions, so many questions.

And I also was very clear for any time I got in trouble, I was like, yep, guilty. I never judged my parents for how they treat each other, how they raised us.

Yeah, that is really, really interesting because so many of us will judge our parents. So many of us will blame our parents for, you know, if you hadn't done that, maybe I wouldn't be as crazy as I if I chose not to say, oh, I was victimized by that situation.

I do not deny that situation that I may have been in. But it's up to me to choose from victimizer right now.

That's real tough and really is. You know, like if people like you were in a violent home with your mom and dad, you should feel this way. And and, you know, you should talk about it this way and blah, blah, blah.

And it's like, yeah, I don't have that world like to put that on us.

So is it possible we can bring your mom out? The woman. OK, Mac.

Hey, Mac has been over in the wings here. I mean, hot and feisty. I may be right.

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Though Matthew and his mother had difficulties at times like a good old Southern boy and a great son, he never lost admiration for his mother.

She's a true baller.

She's be two types of cancer on nothing more than aspirin than denial. She's a woman that says, I'm gonna die before she can. I would before she could. And I'll be there before she's invited. She's 88 now and seldom do I go to bed after her or wake up before her.

Come on, girls. Hey, now, which one's which I'm on?

That's my mother.

Was my daughter. Uh huh. And that's my mommy. And I'm her mommy. OK, so you got three generations. We got three generations. So you've been quarantined and with the family, has that been going? You've been with Matthew in the whole gang the last seven months?

Oh, well, it's it's been really, really lovely. I'm enjoying so much being around my grandchildren, and I'm very, very comfortable with it. They're very Matthew is a very good son. I tell him that all the time is good to me. Matthew is really easy to raise. I mean, he really was he would listen to me and sometimes he would want to discuss it with me, you know, and that only went so far because he's good at trying you to change your mind, you know?

I mean, he works at it. Yes. Hey, I'm going to give myself some credit raising him.

Right. You should give yourself some credit for that. How are you different as a grandmother than you were as a mother? Because I know I was different. No, no different.

No, I treat those grandchildren the same as I did my kids. You know, they have they have respect for me and don't smart off to me now. The only to have. But the younger one did.

And it didn't turn out well, you know. But this came back. Let me tell you, this was my childhood.

The same way she does have it many times. Yes. She didn't play with her grandkids either. So I completely yes, I would get away with things with me.

You know what? They can't play one against the other. Whatever their parents say, that's what they're going to do.

I mean, I am so proud that I have I respect their parents for raising them the way they do, and I don't spoil them at all.

When my mother became a grandmother and she came around and really helped me with the kids, any unresolved issues or pain that was between us really got healed in me being able to watch my mother as a grandmother because she was a young mom.

So she had me at 17. Oh, yeah.

And she had some drug abuse issues, probably your entire child for my entire childhood.

So I didn't really get a mother, but I got to see her as a mother to me, as an adult and as a grandmother. Right.

It really created this beautiful healing component between us.

You and I had had a rough patch for about eight years right after I got famous. But we healed that up. Yeah, back in 2004 was I got famous after time to kill. I started to have my weekly Sunday call home call. My mother did call every Sunday. Mother wasn't answering the phone. A fan of my fame was answering the phone.

I was trying to find my own balance with with fame and stuff. And I share things with her and, you know, to whatever amount of innocence it was, I can now can we can not completely laugh at. But some of those things I would share might show up in the six o'clock news three days later.

Got it. For instance, hard copy. I'm at home at my beach house and everybody calls me because. Are you watching this because of what you what it was, put it on Channel four or whatever it was. And here's a camera going through our bedroom. Mom's leaving the camera going in. There's the bed where I got him with Michelle because he didn't ask over.

Here's the bathroom. And of course, I walked in on there and caught him doing, you know what before as well. But don't worry about it. No big deal.

And I'm going, oh, oh, I call her up. And of course, she's watching it, too. So she picks up the phone and I hear the same damn show in the background like we're talking about, like, what do you want to talk about? I'm watching the same damn thing you are. You've got hard copy. You know, in my bedroom. She goes like, oh that. Oh that. She goes. I didn't think you'd find out.

I didn't know, so there was years there where I would not share things with her because I was confined in my own balance, building my own ship, and I was like, look, mom, loose lips sink ships. There are a lot of people that would like to know these things, and it's none of their business. I was not able to talk to her as my mom for about eight years. And then I got my career stabilized enough.

My boat was built well enough where I didn't feel like she could sink. And then I took the reins off and said, Mom, hit that red carpet, talk to them, tell them all the stories you want. And she's been great about it ever since. Oh, that's beautiful.

You know, it's such a trip, Matthew, because I know I had to tell my mom I was like that. What? All asking everybody for pictures. I know. She's like, listen, we're family. They get to take pictures with whoever they whoever they want to take pictures with. But this one right here was like, don't you dare to dare as anybody for a picture. Yeah, I have no pictures because at the time I was just like, you know, people want that time.

Right. And I didn't understand that.

I definitely understand it, though. I definitely understand. It doesn't mean I don't want the pictures, but I do want to stay.

Right. Yeah, I was enjoying his fame more than he was, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, absolutely. You know, aren't we proud? Yeah, we're proud. But we also don't understand that it's such hard work for them. And then just being like in the spotlight all the time. Yes. I have to agree with you that I enjoyed her spotlight way more than I did. Yeah. And I was like, you're not going to disappear like that where you you can become one.

How you could be doing that. I know that we need to go. Have you got a big red carpet? Come on, let's go. Yes. You got to go with. Yes, we'll hook up and go on the red carpet to. Miss Kay, can we talk about the three times married to say, man, yeah, please explain that I've been married four times, but never to four different men.

She's been married to the same man. Yeah. Oh, Lord. That be a hard adjustment.

At least I've let him into his mother, let his father bossed her around, tell her what to do, how to vote no. It was awful. And he wanted me to be that way. And I'm a Yankee. I'm from Jersey and he's he's from New Orleans. And it was just too much for me. And so when he started trying to change me, I got mad and I left. Then the next time was the same thing. We did have a spirited marriage.

Yes. But the third time we got married, it was when we had Matthew.

We would fight, show me middle finger and it doesn't go up for me to have a good go up years, you know. And so I would do that. Yes, I swear I was pretty feisty. Yes. But you know what? I have to say that there had to have been a lot of love between the two of you to have gone through those breakups, coming back together to get married.

Three, because let me tell you, give me over here was I get divorce and find me a new one. Right. Right.

I never really had the desire to go back to a husband that I had divorced. Yeah, well, I have to say that I never stopped loving him.

No. And so. And you know how he died. Don't you spend time making love to me? Right. And I remember saying, you know, when you when you fell back, I said, what about a big boy? I wear you out and he's no response, no response to that thing. Oh, my God, something's wrong. So I run across the street to my jury room, my neighbour and I say, something's wrong, something's wrong.

I don't know what it is. And I had no idea that it was too much. His heart just stopped. You know, we had a party for him, kind of a celebration of his life and said, hey, well, I'm telling you how he talks about this, but you son of a bitch, you can give ten years of your life to go the way my pop did.

Yes. I just love you. I think you're a joy. I just want to have your spunk and your and your everything, your fire.

Well, you girls are all beautiful. My gosh. And you don't age mom.

Thank you. I've been hearing that all my life.

I thought I how she gave me some of that good genes you find. I hope so. I hope so. Yeah.

Bye bye. Thank you. I love her. She was great. She is fantastic.

Like, I got a couple of words in there. You did get a couple of words in there. Matthew laid on the back end of that beautiful freight train. Yes.

Now, you were raised with brothers, but now so you have two boys and a daughter. How is it different raising your daughter than it is raising your sons?

Good question. And I'm still finding that out. Mind your mind, 12 and seven. So we haven't hit those wonderful teen years.

I please. Good luck. Let me take it from me, bro. There is a I mean, I'm still learning the different ways of having a daughter is having sons and daughters 10. But she has a way that the other that the boys don't I don't know how much it's her way or how much how much of it is the female way.

I don't have to explain. She'll get it. She'll come up to me and talk to me and put a hand on me or and on my back or ask me a question.

And she's talking to me about how I feel.

And I didn't have to say a word. The wonderful good luck charm for me, just one little tidbit right now, because this does have to do with father daughter love across space and time and dimensions. Interstellar changed my life forever. I just have to say it. After I watched it, I started studying physics. I've been studying physics for about five years now, and it is one of the deepest loves of my life. And that movie sparked it.

So I just want to say thank you for that.

Thank you for that. Yeah. Bringing our daughter to physics.

We got to talk to you just a little bit about your beautiful wife and what it was about her that you knew that she was the one.

Matthew met Brazilian model Camila Alves in 2006, two kids and six years later, Matthew proposed on Christmas Day. The gorgeous couple was married on June 9th, 2012 in Austin, Texas, just months before Camila gave birth to their youngest son.

I'm not a club guy, right? But on this particular night, I was a club guy.

I'm sitting at a club on Sunset Boulevard in Hollywood, healthily single, and I'm holding court at this table making margaritas and this figure about 20 feet in front of me, moving from my right to left is Caramello shoulders and the soft turquoise sort of silk dress hanging off of it without even thinking about it. I didn't say, who is that? I said, what is that?

OK. And then she went and sat down, my hands raised. I'm trying to get her attention and says I'm getting her attention with trying to get attention with my right hand. I hear my mother's voice in this year going, boy, get your ass up. This is not the kind of woman you wave across the room. Yes, ma'am, I'm going. Right. So I got up, went over the music, was playing.

I spoke better Portuguese and Spanish that night than I ever have since I understood Portuguese, ever since I asked her if she wanted to come back to the house to have some drinks with me and my friend. She said, no, can't do that. But thanks for the invite. I walked her out to her car. And got a green light, you know what that green light was? Her car had been towed. That's right. My goodness.

So now, you know, come on back and have a drink with me. OK, we go back. We all stay up a while. I give you the guest bedroom at the end of the hallway and I go to my bedroom. I snuck down to that room twice that night. I got kicked out very clearly both times. Now we get to another beautiful moment, which was something I when I started going, wow, the next morning I'm the last one up.

Two friends who stayed over and Camilla had stayed over. I'm coming down the stairs. I hear this laughter.

The kind of laughter and conversation where people overlap, where they've known each other for a long time to finish each other's sentences, and I see that same turquoise dress and the same caramel shoulders sitting at the kitchen bar back here, my two friends on the other side shirtless in the morning and our housekeeper dishing out pancakes.

And Camilla was holding court with a housekeeper she just met that morning at my two friends. She had only met for an hour like before. I was like, oh, the constitution of this woman. Yeah.

The next morning in the same dress, none of this adolescent walk of shame B.S.. No, I know what decision I made. I stayed here. I slept in the bedroom down there. I have my dress on from last night. That's what I have. And I'm going to stay here and enjoy this breakfast. Now I'm going to give you a ride home. I asked her out that night, she gives me another great reason what's the best reason this woman won't go out with me tonight?

It's her dad's birthday. There we go. Family first. Damn right, lineage, history, respect. Here we go. So I got her number to in for a kiss on the cheek. I turn my head, cut about a quarter of the kiss goodbye.

Three nights later, she came over and we had dinner at my house. And that's the only only woman I've wanted to date since. And here we are.

Matthew, thank you for that. What a beautiful love story. And that's a love story from a man I know. That's the man I love story right there.

Right, that I know a little boy right there in your book, you wrote about a woman named Tammy who opened your eyes to different cultures in college.

Matthew was a waiter at the original Catfish Station in All Black Blues Bar in Austin, Texas.

Tammy was the black and beautiful as midnight rock star waitress who ran the floor and had every single dude in the joint thinking they had a chance just so they tip more.

None of them did have a chance. That is me included. So.

All right, Matthew, we have the little surprise for you. You haven't seen her in thirty five years, but we tracked her down and she a little something.

This lady who may. You got me acting all up, you know, we're supposed to be grown in adult life. No, I want to take you, you know, 30 years ago. How are you doing?

Wonderful. Look at you. You're doing good, too. There we are.

What more is that? The station right at the station. My gosh, this is awesome.

Let me tell everyone a story about Miss Tammy here. She's running the floor at the catfish station and the client tells about, what, 95 percent male, something like that.

Well, when this guy comes in, say, I want to be a waiter here is like, uh huh, well, she teaches me the ropes. She also lets me know these are my key tables. Don't even think about serving them.

Mind you, all that clientele, they want to me serving. All right.

So you beat me in tips every single one time. I made you sweat, though. You got seventy six. I got seventy two. But you get to sleep.

I love that. Yeah.

And you had a little fan club too though you know that, right? It took a couple of years to work up my fan club on the floor. Well, you know, you had the bug going on.

You know, you had the book thing going on. And so that's what, that's what drew the ladies. And they're not telling you all the whole truth, the Tammy with the truth, because you know that you you can call her Doctor Tammy because she is a professor at the University of St. Thomas in Houston and a visiting scholar at Rutgers University.

Yes, Dr. Tammy. Yes. Yes, I love that. Do I love that during the pandemic?

You know, that was really sort of a pivotal moment for me in terms of my personal green light. Right. I left a career for 30 years. I became a doctor. I actually finished my coursework in my dissertation and got my doctorate. You know, Matthew was not afraid to pivot.

And that's really my lesson learned from you, Matthew.

You taught me just to kind of take those yellow lights, those red lights and turn them into green light.

And so that's where I am right now. You are a bright light of my past, and it's so good to see you again.

Tim, you didn't even know you were in the book. And so the producers told you, oh, my gosh, no. I was like, what? I mean, that was a couple of weeks ago. And I thought it was the little spam, the way they reached out to me. But when I read it, I'm like, OK, OK.

And I am flattered.

Flattered that so I'm proud of you. I'm marveling. I mean, we really have grown up. So just to see him, you know, in this in this way, he's a family man, you know, because I know when he was single. Right.

So family man, I try, I try not to let me get close now.

I try.

I love it. Tammy, thank you for joining us. We just thought this would be a beautiful surprise for you.

Beautiful surprise. Are you surprised? No. This day was already going good. Now it's going great. Tammy Love you, girl. Bye bye. This was a beautiful year.

Yes. Thank you so much. See you next time. I quite enjoyed that. Thanks for watching Interstellar and getting into physics.

Well, it's going to stay with me forever. We just love your book, Green Lights. We are so happy for your success and we just continue to love you and think that you're amazing.

Yeah. And for all the green lights to come your way. Matthew Bilitis, thank you. She kept the platonic I that I would to join the red table, talk family and become a part of the conversation.

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