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Oh, all right. I mean, they don't even know. They don't know in the ranks together. On his rise to becoming the dog whisperer, Cesar Millan entered this country as an illegal immigrant, overcoming incredible hardships to show us what it truly means to live the American dream.

Cesar, we've known each other for, what, twenty seven? Twenty eight. Like I was 19, 20 years old when I met Cesar.

This is what happened. I came to America. I wanted to be the best in the world. I came to Jada and I said, I need to have a TV show or a radio.

And she said, well, for now you have to speak English.

The next day, a friend of her came to to to my place in South Central and said, I'm your new English teacher.

So because of Jada, I speak English. Wow. Mm hmm. I realize that's very special. Does the vary. Yeah.

A dog friendly house. Yes, it is. Then you got cats. I know what three cats and I have got eight dogs. We've got three cats. Reflag got two. This is well you remember Fang the Husky because you had his sister. Yeah. He's the happy go lucky one.

And they gave me me my birthday. Yeah.

That is a new one that you have in a playful state. Clover is part of our pact. And this is the Chinese goddess show you.

How are you on my rescue from China when we were shooting The Karate Kid with Jaden and he wasn't this friendly when he arrived.

No, no. He was a little India, not trust the yes side. He's. Come on. You did an amazing job. He's done good. This is really good. This is very happy about it. Very proud of your back. I have a super duper special guest today, not only because he is the internationally renowned dog whisperer, Cesar Millan, but because he happens to be one of my oldest, closest friends. Thank you. My English is better.

How did you guys meet? I used to date a guy whose dog he used to work with. Kenji Kanjia was a first Rottweiler. Yeah, they introduced me to the rest of the Rottweiler owners. Yeah. And those Rottweilers owners was Jada Pinkett Smith.

OK, so the Roddy's you know, the Roddy's introduced me to Jada, then the writers introduced me to Wil, who is not such a such animal lover, which is interesting because you have all these animals in the house but will typically is not.

Yeah, he's too much an animal lover never to close.

Yeah, well you see a big like twenty years, you know, he's like, he's like, look, if it makes you happy to have all these animals cool.

But he likes, he likes fang, he looks at Fang from the window and goes, oh he's so pretty. Yeah that's about it. Yeah. You know I had four male Rottweilers. Right. And he taught me how to manage those dogs at that particular point of time where I was in my life, I wanted those dogs for protection. And I was a young woman by herself a lot. Right. And I knew I wanted that and made me feel safe.

I didn't want to get a gun at it, you know, so I had rights.

Yeah, but that's all that went with me everywhere. Yeah. OK, you're like the epitome of the American dream to me because you came here. I jumped the border, jumped the border, couldn't speak and couldn't speak English. I didn't know anybody. What made you want to come to America? Yes.

Well, when I was 13 years old, I told my mom, mom, you think I could be the best doctor in the world after watching less and less and Rin Tin Tin people watch a lot of animal show, right?

Those were my animal shows.

OK, I wanted to be a vet, but because I come from a low income family, it was impossible for them to send me to a vet school. Right at thirteen years old, I told my mom, Mom, your dad could be the best actor in the world. And she said, you can do whatever you want because when I was ten, I told her that I wanted to be a drug dealer because she goes where I'm from.

That's all. Those are role models. There you go. OK, so that's that's what role models. OK, and so I saw how respected they were. And that day my mom slapped me in the face, said, if you want to kill me, that's what you become. I won't kill you. I just want to, you know, make money so, you know, you can live happily ever after Mom. Right? So I didn't know I didn't know those guys were about, you know, I was ten.

So, you know, three years later, I'm looking at the dogs that I grew up with. They didn't have commands. So I wanted that. I wanted to have those Hollywood dogs. Those dogs were trained.

So I really wanted to be a dog trainer. You're born with a desire, right? You want to sing. You want to ask. You want to do this.

You're born with it. Nobody tells you to do it. Right. So what is the reading thing? Lives United States.

OK, you know, this may land or Hollywood, right?

So when I was 21 years old, I December twenty third, I went to my mom again. Mom, I'm leaving. So what are you going to at Christmas. I'm going to America. But tomorrow's Christmas. I know, but I have to go right now, see something that you feel, you have to listen to it and you have to act on that day. So my dad save one hundred dollars. He gave it to me, put it in my oh, my sock.

And that's all I had. That's all I had. Wow. You know, I took a bus, took like two days to get there. And once you get to the border, what you see is people wanted to take advantage of you.

So that's when you learn about the streets. God, that's another level of streets. Now, that's another level they can sell you. Yeah. They can kill you for organs. They can. I mean, yeah, that is more likely than jumping it. Yeah. So it's not a piece of cake. OK, I'm respectful about it. I know I broke a boundary and a rule, but it was for a dream. Right. So to a point there many times I let the Border Patrol catch me because Americans feed you.

Yeah, so when they catch you, they feed you. Mexican police don't feed you because many times I didn't eat. Got it, because I wanted to save my hundred bucks. When I finally crossed the border, a guy came to me, skinny guy, dirty as hell and smoking a joint. And I said, yes, you can. So so this guy came. So all the three things my mom said not to listen to. Right.

If a guy's dirty with this skinny because in Mexico, if you're too skinny, there's something wrong with you. Right. As a culture, you want to say you're fat. And of course, if you smoke weed at that time, then the guy is crazy. Right? You know, so all the three things right inside of me, I felt, trust me.

Wow. Interesting.

And the guy said to me, I charge you a hundred dollars. Uh, so you charge you one hundred dollars. That's right.

You want to cross the border. I charge you a hundred dollars. That's all I had. And that's a sign technique, that's a sign. Oh, he knew the road. Oh, why? You you have to know. You have to know the path. Yeah, they have to know the path. Yeah. You have to know when the Border Patrol changes.

Right. All of that stuff. So he knew. So finally we crossed. We got to the gas station. The guy said, I'm going to get you a taxi and the taxi is going to take it to San Diego. So I don't have any more money. This is how I'm giving you everything. The guy paid the taxi driver. Wow. Yeah. The guy paid the taxi driver twenty dollars. So he only he only made eighty dollars.

That to me was like, OK, I'm supposed to be here.

Well, how did you even get there to kill myself.

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So I arrive in L.A. and took a Greyhound and I arrive at time and then I walk in the middle of the night through Skid Row and downtown L.A. the next day. By that time, I knew that YellowPages existed. So that's when I started calling kennels, I wanted to, you know, I wanted to work in a kennel. Oh, yes.

And I already knew. OK, so what do I got to do? I watched. No, you know, washing dishes. No, I get fed. But that's not the profession I came to America for. Right. You have to start from the bottom in cleaning kennels is not a problem. Those are the jobs. Right? Immigrants we get right. We don't get the middle of the pack jobs. We don't get the top of the pack.

We get the back of the pack.

So either the thing about you, you've always had this certainty. Like, I just remember even back in the day, you were just so certain you'd be like, I want to teach people how to be with their animals. I need a TV show. And I was like, wow, like. You are so certain about what you saw in your vision. Look, I come from a low income family that you have faith, you have passion, you have instincts.

That's what you survive. Yeah, you know what I mean. How many makes you strong food. You say that again. I mean, so you must have poverty. The only thing you have to know is how to make money. America is a land of opportunities, you know for sure. But it's also the land of equality of opportunities.

And that's what you got to look for. How did you get from the kennel to your spot in South Central?

The first I became a dog walker in Inglewood, and so the only thing I didn't know, it was illegal to walk dogs off leash in America. I had no idea. I knew it was illegal, but I didn't know it was illegal to walk dogs of leash in America. So I was walking forty three dogs off leash.

Yes. In neighborhoods.

So they would take me two hours to go from Inglewood to South Central. And you always catch me at the same time. Wow. Yeah. So I started going to people's homes and said, Ma'am, can I walk your dog. I do it for free. I want to make sure your dog stop barking. And I know how can I do it right. I'm going to exercise him right. I'm going to take it for the longest walk of his life and I'm going to bring it back and I'm going to tell you what I did for free.

And I think that's the other place that we connect. We kind of that inner drive and that heart, like we we have the same code now. How did you get to the TV show The L.A. Times? Heard about me, right? Right. And they followed me to a consultation and then at the end she said, So you seem to have a great thing going on, you know, and what would you like to do? What is your next goal?

And I say, no hesitation. I would like to have my own TV show.

Yeah, there you go.

So the newspaper came on a Sunday. Monday was a line of producers trying to find out what the show was all about.

Wow. Wow. Yeah.

I started my whole thing in Inglewood in the hood. Yeah. Dee Dee, you know, was just a dream.

You got to meet people like yourself. I speak English because of you.

How would you describe your friendship?

The first word comes out of my mouth if you ask me, Jadot, gratitude is just so we don't have to see each other all the time. I know what I mean. It's like if I call him, he shows up. If he calls me, I show up. And when we need each other, we're there, you know what I'm saying? And so but we always connected, you know, I feel connected.

He's my own, you know, because we've known each other forever. Yeah. Yeah.

And I think that's the other place that we connect. I'm offering you honesty. Give me honesty, you integrity. I'm offering you loyalty. Give me like we understand that exchange.

Yeah. Yeah. Like no question. Yeah, yeah. Because I find that with dogs. Yeah. OK, so I can have millions of dogs and I will find the same thing. Honesty, integrity, loyalty. But it's also good to find in your own kind.

Yeah.

You know when you can animals are here to remind us about simplicity, about honesty, integrity, about loyalty, not just for affection only. Right. Dogs have to have a purpose in life. You have Timbits doesn't mind, I know, but he's like, this doesn't have a purpose. Is what purpose does hello play explore. But you mean something different when you say follow, because this follows me everywhere I go. But I feel like that's an.

I feel like that's anxiety, like he just doesn't want me out of his sight or something. Well, there is there is one thing called separation anxiety. Many dogs become obsessive with.

Yeah, I think he's obsessed. So when a dog feels that the human doesn't relax or anything like that, the dog feels the need to overprotect the human.

Your philosophy really is then to change me. I mean, that's that's your work is to change me in order to help the dog. Right. Am I right on that? Because a dog becomes the energy you could project and the activities you do. Yeah.

So you think you're the you're the. I'm the key. You're the key. So if the human doesn't practice healthy energy and healthy habits, how can the dog practice it? Right.

I think I'm so healthy.

How did that happen even in that particular difficult state. Cesar, when you felt like you wanted to take your life, what was that one thing that you would just like, OK?

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I wanted to, but I didn't like either. You know, she got pregnant.

I get it. We were not compatible right away. You don't take it as a lesson. You take it as a as a curse. You know what I mean? You take it as a right.

You know, I mean, like. Yeah, why why this happened to me. Often you take it upon yourself as you did something wrong.

You know, and that's when you know that I want to commit suicide, even in that particular difficult state, Caesar, when you really did when you felt like you wanted to take your life, what pulled you through that? Like, what was the thing what was that one thing that you would just like? OK, well, how did you even get there? Had to kill myself. Yeah. What was going on that that took you to that?

Debbie Elliott. The feeling of failure, I'm not good enough, you're talking to yourself, you know, you're nobody's putting you in that hole. You're pretty much digging the hole and doing that to yourself.

So was it failure in your personal life? Nobody loves you. Your back doesn't love you as my pad just left.

Yeah. OK, so it's not something my family feels like your house is on fire. Nothing you can do. And I have to do a life tour that will not bring me back into two months later. He understands that the way was the liver.

That was a tough time for me too, because I felt. I felt really helpless, you know, at that time, just not knowing exactly how to help, you know, but you did. Yeah, I guess, you know is.

Yes. Like, I never went away because I always had that anger with Jada, you know what I mean?

Like, I always make a call. Yeah. You know, yes. I saw something inside of me is I make a call. Yeah. As soon as I make a call. And then she can call me back. Right. But something needed to happen to me in order for me to to practice what I teach.

Yeah.

And that that's a good point, Cesar, because I do believe that all the trials that have occurred, I just see how after that and when you come through that, how everything just expands and explodes. Yeah. And in regards to your relationship with the dogs and how connecting humans to dogs deepens and the whole thing, what did you find for yourself in that position of that depression that could get you out? Into a place of like, no, I am going to live, I am going to be OK.

I didn't love myself, you know, even though all the accomplishment, all the things that I have done, as you get to a point where I was already in my way and I love him myself, I'm to see what I'm saying, say so that needed to be like the slap in the face.

Well, waking me to start loving myself again because I went into a place where I wasn't doing things for you or me.

Yeah, you know what I mean. Like when I came to America you to gain by. Yeah. How I came to America. I did it because I love myself. Right. I believe in myself. Can we bring in our fishbowls? This is our Ishbel right here where we pick questions.

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You know, definitely potty training will be the only thing will be easier with a girl dog. With a girl dog. Yeah, it's that way with humans, too, by the way.

Easier than. Anybody will tell you that it's like in the human world.

Can a woman become an engineer? Of course. Of course. It has nothing to do with the gender. Right. What is your motivation? Right. Right. And so what motivates dogs to do things is food, toys. And you so you just have to find what motivates the dog. That's OK. There it is.

A lot of times we would say, is our females better than males? Well, that's his preference because in the end, the dog world, the females are going to be smaller, right? The males are going to be bigger. So in the animal world, the males are the best looking ones.

So if your preference is bigger, more, more for better code and things like that, and then you get a male for that all day.

So, yeah, the males and females are prettier, huh? Yeah. The peacock, for example. Yeah. And the ducks and the dogs for example. Yes. That only happens in the animal world and the human world.

We the ugly world in and we get it.

This one is what is the most common mistake a pet owner can make.

The most common mistake a pet owner can make is not understanding what the needs of a dog's are. So first is the needs and then is the training. So with humans, though, the need for us typically is to love the animal. So we tend to love the animal first and maybe too much.

So a lot of times, for example, like the most difficult it is right now as people are wanting to have children. Right. So the dog becomes the energy space field. Yeah, right. So that's more for the human than it is for the dog. Yeah. That's what happens when a human does that. The human is going to treat the dog as a human child when a dog is a puppy. So a lot of times people oh, he's a puppy and the dog is three years old.

So they still treating him like a puppy. So mentally, the dog is confused. You know, it's like a mama's boy. I mean, everybody wants to marry a mama's boy. That is. Yes, that is real. But, Cesar, I love you.

You know you know, you you know, you're one of my gratitude for you. Is is. For the next millions of life, thank you for letting me come into your family, you know, from the first day if you're part of the family. Yeah. You know, absolutely trusted. And that's a big deal. Yes, that's a big deal. So I just know that I am very grateful for everything you have done and you have done for my family.

They've actually told me that you have blessed my family. Are you now believing you did it just because that's who you are? Thank you. So. I got to give you some. It's amazing.

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