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So again, you know, this episode is a six episode.

Oh, Lord Jesus.

I think that people still have a very difficult time talking about sex, especially women talking about that on camera like and certainly you're not going to have Willow on this show.

Yes, I am. That's the whole point.

I did not want Willow to have shame of any kind. She needs to be at that table to hear it all.

Lord, have mercy. You're trying to kill me here.

You know, when you can talk to your mother who's been through a whole lot in regards to sex, I wouldn't say I'm a connoisseur, but I'm forty seven, so. Nuff said, So you good, I'm going to pray on it. God help us all.

Let's roll camera and play a little clip for you. And let's play it back, please.

There are. Guys, we're at the table and today we were at the table to talk about sex.

They always have people like, oh, do you think that's appropriate for William?

Like hell, yeah, it's appropriate.

Is it life? Yeah. Is it life then? Yes. I have to sit up here and tell her how she has to be careful in the streets because of all the harms that may come to her because she lives out the window.

I'm damn sure not leaving out the good stuff. And I feel like a lot of people make that mistake of only telling their girls it's scary out there. Absolutely.

And that you better be safe follows you throughout your entire life. I want to just take a minute to just explain to everybody that Talana is one of Willow's very actually my best friend. Do you guys talk openly about sex, Willow?

Do we get a little too open? Sometimes I may go a little questioning each other like, you know, what hairstyles for your vagina enjoy. That was the lady. That was the latest one to my vagina hairstyle. How you can get creative with vagina hairstyles and.

Oh, my goodness.

Jamie, did you talk about, like, with your friends? No, no. Actually, I don't think I talk to my friends openly about sex like that.

Why do you think that is? We just didn't have all the information, you guys.

Right. Like, I know that a lot of young boys and young girls are learning about sex through pornography online on social media.

Right.

Was that not your introduction to sex? My introduction to sex was obviously walking in on you and daddy. That was the first introduction.

What the hell did you walk in when I was in Utah? That one? No, not Utah.

Aspen, I think it was in Aspen.

I was going downstairs to get some juice and I saw for a little moment and I ran away. I was like, oh my God, this is so crazy.

What I just see. And then and I remember it wasn't like I was seeing everything. I was the room. It was dark, you know what I'm saying? It was it was silhouetted.

That was your introduction. So what was your feeling about that?

Oh, like, I just overstepped the boundaries. Something I wasn't supposed to be there. Right. It was like if I walked in on you meditating. When Mommy's meditating, don't get in her business. You know what I'm saying?

I wish Jamie knew that you and I'm going to take two miles. Would you guys feel uncomfortable talking to your fathers about sex?

Whenever I talk to dad about it, it's always an intellectual debate. It's always like about like, OK. So speaking of the degradation of females in the past, you know, how do you believe that that trickles into your experience?

You get it all. And it's very it's very serious, but it's not emotional.

Right. It's a very intellectual perspective. And I feel like the stuff of life is meant to be lived, not analyzed.

You know, I felt like my dad wasn't OK with. Yeah, me having a sexuality, I mean, like, well, most fathers are not. It's definitely easier to talk with, like, the same sex parent. Yeah. Yeah.

So do you think we'll have a conversation with Jaden about six months entry?

I'm almost sure that that he did. He probably said, get it, boys. Go out there and get you some. Did you talk to Jane and Trey about sex? I did. How about I knew when they both lost their virginity? They do now. I sure did.

My intuition.

I knew the night the night Jayden lost his virginity.

And I had a moment with Trey in the kitchen where I looked at him and I was like, you've had sex? And he ran into the bathroom.

He did. Yes. It was like, fine. Yes, I've had sex.

Why did he want to it about he was embarrassed. Oh, yeah. I said I was embarrassed. I was lucky enough to be embarrassed, but he was so embarrassed.

Just the energy of them that made, you know, that they had sex. Yeah. It was it was like a knew their innocence was gone.

Damn gone. I can always tell with some of your friends too. Yeah. I'm like, oh, something happened.

Oh, no. But. But I can always tell, like, you can just see the maturity. Yeah, I remember my first sexual experience was amazing.

I wouldn't say amazing like, oh, you know, but like, I remember me saying to me, oh, I wish I could be there to hold your hand.

And that's going to be terrible. Oh, yeah. I remember her telling me that because hers was a terrifying experience. Yes.

Very painful. And yeah. And mine wasn't.

It actually was like it was. Yeah. It was like OK.

Yeah. Right. You know.

But I also came into it differently. My grandmother taught me about self pleasuring because she wanted me to know that that pleasure was from me.

She didn't want me to fall into the hands of a man.

And if he gave me pleasure to think that that was him and she taught me at nine by nine, I had none of that.

I had none of what Jada had.

You know, her teaching to me was, boys are dirty. Don't let them put their tongues in your mouth and surely not their penis, right? Yeah. Yeah. So everything was from a very negative and so a view to to scare me to to term. So you were probably afraid.

Yeah.

We as women have been trained that women aren't supposed to enjoy sex. Sex is not for women. Sex for men, pleasure is for men. And honestly, I think that's why so many women I know have never had orgasms.

Really? Yes. That's a sad day. Yeah.

I've struggled in my own sexuality, even in having the information that I had at an early age and yet still having to constantly educate myself and not allow things to come in.

So.

So if your mom struggle that, you know, I struggle with the demons in the back of my mind and telling me, no, you shouldn't be doing that.

And no good girls don't enjoy sex, what do you do you feel like you've been do you feel like you have the freedom? Now, where did that come from?

I just think it just came over time because over time you realize, hey.

Was there a moment, was there was there was there a man that you know what I'm saying?

Because usually there's that aha moment of like, the whole world opens up. When you have your first, like.

Real, real good experience, good orgasm. I don't know if I'm the best, but I just do know that even a couple of years ago, having a conversation with my girlfriend, talking about sex toys and all that, I didn't have any experience with with sex toys. Right. And they were like, huh, you don't know what you're missing.

I was like, really?

He suggested that I go to counseling for that, go to counseling for sex. That fills me with so much anger and just experienced the same thing.

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That's not like human, right? Well, what about by yourself?

Because I don't think I use toys with a partner, but I share those toys a lot of alarm. I mean, personally, I have you still you. Twenty one. Yeah. What advice do you need to go get.

I think by your age, I gave myself multiples first multiple orgasms, yes, I did. I was really into it at one point just because I was in an exploration stage and I was abstaining from men. Oh, yeah.

And I actually think I went through kind of an addiction, too, with it. Oh, really?

Yeah. Yeah. And then one day I was just like anough.

Like you're having fun with orgasm today. Yeah. You get it because you can create so much pleasure. You just constantly want it just like you know.

And so. Oh yeah. And so it really hits me like I did like some other level. Yeah. That's the next level right there.

I did find something interesting about your generation in regards to virginity. And how one loses virginity, like I I'm sure for your generation to that, you lose your virginity with somebody you've been seeing, right. Some of it you have feelings with would just ride random.

Like I've heard certain people say, well, I'm older now and I just need to lose my virginity. So I'm just going to hear that all the time.

This guy that I hang out with sometimes and I'm like, really like just way to find that person that you care about. And that person is like, no guy is really talking to me or asking me, these guys are not brave.

That's the issue. What do you think? In this generation? They're not brave.

Does it have something to do with technology and texting and really that people don't really know how to deal with dating?

Like, I don't I mean, it's like I'm I'm letting you know, like in this day and age, the slide into the D.M. is like a 50 percent and how you get into your relationship. Exactly right.

And I like most kids these days. What's the message that back in the day, you know, you just had a joker come up to you and be like this show?

It's what happens to that. That's honestly, dude, nowadays, see a beautiful girl.

Let me text or am I going to let me touch? Right. Like there's a lack of social skills because all of the technology. Is this how you got into your relationship? Did he slide into the idea? Don't judge me.

It was in the DSM. Understood. Let me ask you guys a question.

If you have a young girl now that is sleep, it has multiple partners, is she still considered?

Oh, no, no, no. She is considered a regular person. She is a beautiful girl.

You just have to keep yourself health healthy, respect yourself. Respect can be more important than right than anything.

Love that girl. You better appreciate a woman if you are in a relationship with someone who doesn't respect you.

And that is the most unhealthy relationship and you should get out immediately.

Let me ask you guys a question, because your generation is known as the hookup generation.

How do you guys feel about monogamy?

That feeling of you're my one and my only. There's no one else for me that would not work.

And it's a it's a tricky one.

And I tell you, I think about it a lot with married women who are in this sexual monotony of feeling like this obligation towards having to have sex because they're in a monogamous relationship or sometimes you just don't feel I just don't feel like it.

But you feel obligated because, you know, they do. Exactly.

Never feel obligated.

Hey, when I hear that in all of these, like, therapists try to be like, you know, make sure you you better go in there and sleep with your man, because if you're not having sex with him, somebody else is.

And it's because women fear losing their men if sex isn't good and if you're not having enough sex pointless, it seems like such an unrealistic expectation to put on another human being, I think is really just about everybody having the freedom to find their way.

Yeah, and that's what works for you, right?

Yes. I'm so happy for you in regards to what? In regard to your sexuality, because you've always been pretty free.

Yeah. And just I just didn't have that. Yeah.

But you like, hear me. Yeah. Mean yes.

I've been able to work through it, but I'm telling you it has been a challenge, a real challenge to the point at one point and one of my marriages he suggested that I go to counseling for that.

Wow. Wow. And one of your marriages. Yeah.

Because I've always been married for to go to counseling for sex.

Wow. Yeah. That fills me with so much anger that I can't even I can't even. Well because I'm just experienced the same thing. Yes. That's the problem.

No that's that's true. That's not true. You know how many men I know have been raped.

As young boys that I was as protective of Jaden as I was, absolutely he was not a no listen, I can I was not allowed to spend the night at anyone's house because I never underestimated. Yeah. That a boy child could be violated in the same way as a girl child. But you did do a lot of things differently. I did do a lot of things differently. And let me tell you something else. You got to do a lot of things in this house.

Right? But he did not. You're right. OK, so Rose.

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I'd have to say the brain.

Yeah, the brain. For me, that's what I see in men as well. Well, I tell you what, I'm attracted to this part right here on a mad baby. Oh, the neck to the shoulder.

And I'm having this conversation. I'm starting to realize how much I don't think about and a back to back, a strong back.

Your father would be so happy to hear that you are looking for somebody like him.

Do you believe in love at first sight? Oh, yes, I do.

Oh, I believe I can look in somebody's eyes and love them.

Wow. It's happened before.

Is great sex necessary for a great relationship? I don't think so.

I think that well, I mean, it all depends on what kind of person you are. Yeah. I'll say that great sex is not necessary for a great relationship for me, especially after being in a union for as long as I have.

And you start to really feel what really matters on.

Yeah, it goes deep. Is there anything sexy you've wanted to try? But we're embarrassed to ask your partner about.

Give us give us the tea.

I don't know if I want to talk about this on air and there you have it, folks going to leave that right there. That is our red table talk for today about sex.

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