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Get ready to hear the truth about America on a show that's not immune to the facts with your host, Dan Bongino.

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Welcome to Dan Bongino show. This is another addition in the interview series. You all know my next guest. You've seen him, host of The Greg Gutfeld Show, conveniently named Greg Gutfeld, also a panelist on the five just about every day. We all love Greg. I'm going to get right to it. I always do these after I do the show. We get into a lot on this cancel culture. Mutually assured destruction when it comes to cancel culture, is social media a good or bad thing?

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Bravo Company MFG Dotcom. All right. Without further ado, a good friend, good friend. Excuse me, Greg Gutfeld. All right, folks, listen, you know, I'm not a huge fan of interviews because, you know, it's hard to find so many interesting people. I'm lucky to have today a good friend. He makes fun of me on Fox and a I because he thinks I laugh at everything, which I do. The great Greg Gutfeld from The Greg Gutfeld Show, The Five and everything else.

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Greg, thanks for coming on the show. We appreciate it.

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I just wish everybody could have heard our conversation before this started. They don't understand how much you hate doing interviews. And what's interesting is I am totally with you. A hundred percent. I when I was doing read, I, I did everything I could to get out of interviewing people. We should come up with a list with the worst people to interview. Generally actors are the worst. Right, because they they really want to talk about themselves and not about the project.

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So they are completely miserable, vacuous people. Then you have musicians who have absolutely no wisdom in the world and all they're looking for is Pott's, which is fine with me. But then you think you politicians who are phonies, you know, they're the worst of the worst. The worst. Then you have your talk show host friends with books who are basically you have to do it as a favor, which is what it's like. Dan was like going like, I don't ever want to do this crap again.

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But the new DMB, I got to do you and Hannity now. And it's but it's so funny because, like, it's the same I have the same problem. We Mutually Assured Destruction Clause, like I promised not to ask you to. I promise not to bother you. You don't bother me. We just write to this book.

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This is the greatest movie ever for an interview show. It's the greatest problem. I have to take that back to the worst people interview. Are authors then about books? Yes. And that's why when people ask you what's it like to be an author, I go, I have no idea. I'm just the guy who writes books. Don't even this is seriously the greatest promo ever. But this is honest to God why I have you on, because I think what you have in your show is obviously I'm not greasing.

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It wasn't a runaway success. I mean, I think one of the secrets of the Greg Gutfeld show that people don't know is that you actually have a more substantial audience than a lot of these liberal talk show hosts. But it's almost never talked about outside of the trade magazines. Your audience is huge. And I haven't been a guest on your show and knowing you now for a while now behind the scenes, you really are like when these guys who breaks the fourth wall down like this, almost no secrets on your show.

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And we do this. I'm not kidding. That's exactly what we were talking about before the show, how it's so hard to find interesting people in an interview, you know? So you know what I learned and it's a good point that you're bringing up. So the reason why the. Show is good is because we don't have, quote, celebrities yet, everybody, there's more interesting, tigresses, way more interesting than anybody. Jimmy Kimmel has Cats' funnier than anybody Jimmy Fallon has and all the guests that we cycle through, whether it is you or it's Joe Mackie or whoever he was the last time he was on.

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But just great fun. But at the time. But it ends up being smarter and funnier than any group of celebrities. And I think that's why people like it. And also to the point about the fourth wall, I talk about stuff that that happens that's embarrassing to me. The fact that I didn't know that cows could be male or female, I know that cows can only be female. I didn't I thought that they could be male and female.

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And I thought that I didn't know that. I didn't know that to me. That kingpin I remember Kingpin, I got up this morning and I milk the cow. We don't have a cow. We got a bull. But remember that one. That may not be the family. We may have to cut that one out. Folks just can't wear them, I think. Yeah, but you know what? I also thought I also thought that veal was its own animal.

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That's a stupid like I like I have a problem. That's good. I have a problem. Yeah. Well, let's say we are here for your book. You've got important business to conduct because my audience loves you. I'm a big fan of you as well. So we have this book out here. I have a copy, the plus self-help for people who hate self-help. Now, listen, because we're breaking down the fourth wall and Greg can tell you this.

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Ninety nine out of one hundred Hoso swear they read the book and they got a one page spreadsheet with questions that I promise you. I actually read most of the book. I got through about sixty percent of it. You know, I did. I'm not kidding. And my questions are based on what I this is not a PR sheet. That is Diane von Chino's handwritten notes. So when I see you in person, I want you to I put actual work into this.

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This is no PR. You impressed? Yeah, because I don't most of the time, I don't do that. I mean, I read I don't read Fox News books as much as I read like other books because they're always like historical stuff like Kill Me books. I'll never read his, never read his. I had killed me.

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No. One, The Alamo. And they are when he kicks ass and you kidding me. Every time I read his paperbacks are like, yeah, yeah. The audio books are number one. It's ridiculous. And he just walks around the office with a backpack all the time and it's like, dude, you can buy and sell us. Why are you here, Greg? Seriously, like you and him are very few people do as much like you do the five you do the Greg Gutfeld.

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I mean, kill me. The dude doesn't stop here like it's ridiculous, you know. All right. So listen, here's my family and it's family that's he hates his family. I'm going to ask you about this next book comes out. I'm sure he'll be able to do so if I'm crying here. All right. So I hate self-help books, too. There's only two I ever read that I thought were really worth their time. Is the road less traveled, which like a billion people read and then the follow up, right?

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Yeah. The People of the line was a great book, but most self-help books are kind of like stuff they know nobody's going to do when it sounds cutesy. So when I read your title, write self-help for people who hate. So I thought, all right, like I'm going to actually read this book. And your PR person sent me a hard copy, which is good. I don't like like the PDF files. So why what about this book?

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I know the secret. I've seen it. But what about this book is different than the traditional twelve step book here. Well, I think it's because I don't I'm not a self-help person, I worked in I worked in, like Service magazine's men's health and not gave advice. And everybody who gives advice are weird. They're just weirdo. Self-Help authors tend to be really kind of creepy when you meet them. I'm not I'm not I don't consider myself creepy.

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I consider myself a normal person who wrote a self-help book based on kind of like the simple wisdom. I was, OK, let me back up because I wasn't going to write this book. I was going to write about cancer, culture and mob rule. But I realized that I wasn't giving any solutions. And meanwhile, I was dealing with my own issues with cancer, culture and mob rule in my own life. I was going on social media too much.

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I was screwing around on Twitter. I was drinking and tweeting and I decided like, OK, before I do everything, anything in the day, I'm going to ask myself, is this a plus or a minus? So before I tweet that thing, is this a plus or minus before I send that email to the five producer, is this a plus or a minus or that snarky little comment to one of my CO? Is that so what happened?

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I started doing that. I started thinking, well, you know what? Maybe this is the answer to all. I had like five book proposals and oddly enough, they all become became like the chapters go like this could be the solution for these problems I'm so obsessed with. And that's what it was. So it boiled down to like every day you got to make a choice. Is it a plus or minus? And it's basically providing top spin on your decision making.

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So every decision you make is just a little better. And just, you know, just and I can't even I can't even describe my own book. This is what book interviews suck and authors suck. No, no. I'm going to describe your book better than you can because I actually have one of my handwritten notes because I actually read the damn book is, you know, to explain the plus, because I got to tell you, like, I read the chapter where you write about the play and it's such a simple concept.

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You're like, you know, why hasn't anyone thought of this before? Like, is what I'm about to do actually going to benefit or hurt me like this? This is not complicated. And yet I've never heard of this. So simply. No, seriously, like you have this thing on the plus, explain what that is, especially in relationship to boost tweeting, which was another question later. So I have to cross that one out. We already got to that one.

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All right.

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You know, it's funny, is it? Because I just never had this. It's called it's just called impulse control. Maybe a wisdom and maybe I never thought of it, but I thought, you know what? Plus or minus every decision that I make, like, OK, so OK, let's say my wife Elena. Yeah, I want to she's doing something that's kind of bugging me. And so maybe I'll just point out this a little bit plus or minus.

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That's an easy one minus don't do it. And then you're just going to cruise along and then there's something else and you sit down. There's something on Twitter that pisses you off beyond belief. Jimmy, Jimmy Kimmel's saying something stupid and it's like I've been a retweeted and then I'm to make fun of Pat Oswal, all these losers. And then I'm like, plus or minus. I go, this is going to preoccupy you for an hour. You're going to check to see what happened.

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And then somebody is going to call you and say, break it up, Twitter minus skipping. Sometimes you can think like if you wanted to. If you think it's going to be a plus, you can wait. Like I tweet myself into an email and then I look at it two hours later. And if I still think it's funny, I'll tweet it. But it prevents the Trump. Go ahead. Sorry. No, I was going to say about that one.

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It's it's really simple but smart like. So I'm fighting with Paula right now is my producer. Right. So this morning she's now in her hands in frustration behind is my my wife. I'm sorry. I love, by the way, your dedication to your wife. Wait, hold on. I got to read this, folks. This is great. This is Greg's dedication in the book. Obviously, the plus self-help for people who hate self-help. Make sure you pick it up.

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Amazon, Barnes Noble to Elayna is a moossa. So I don't to say your name Moossa. Some lady I know that's the greatest. That's so, so great. So Greg too. But your plus or minus. So this morning we're in this battle, right? I did my regular show. Yes. And what about this speech? I don't I don't want to do or anything like that. So we're going back and forth. I'm like, OK, do I come back with some wise ass comment right now?

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Is this if I were to take it? Yes. Now, if I would have read your book before, I would have been in much better shape. Right now, she's still mad at me because it was clearly a net negative to be a wise ass. So I just wish people would adopt your approach more often, including me. Do you know it's interesting because you you you work a lot from home. And during the pandemic I worked a lot at home.

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And so I had to do like I to do like a zoom meeting about a month ago. This is a great story about being married and working. So I'm at home. And generally when you're in an office, you have a different tone, a different set of tools. So like when you're dealing with it and and your computer screwed up, you talk to the IT guy, at least I do not the. Kind of tone, and it's like, dude, I can't get this thing to work, what is going on and do not tell me to unplug and plug it back in because I already did.

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No, no, no. You will block me out of my account, you know, so I'm setting up the room. Call in. My wife is here and I'm talking to it. And she was looking at me in horror. She'd never seen Greg. She's never seen work Greg before and she never saw Greg work. And it's like, is that is that what it is that what it is? I'm sorry. I don't mean to distract you.

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My wife tells me, you know, I'm in a lot of different businesses. Bungeni report parler everything my wife saw. I swear she hears me on the phone and she's like, oh, like, what do you think? This is actually a prison guard. She's like, and I'm like, listen, Secret Service, get stuff done. That was their only job. We'll worry about the feelings of a cutesy stuff later. She was shocked. I know this story.

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My wife got up and walked outside, got into a car and drove. And I think she might have even driven to Manhattan because she was gone for like three hours. And it was just like she could I think she discovered that she was married to like Jekyll Hyde. Then the other thing that the other thing that pisses her off and I bet this happens to you. And also I talked to Jesse about this mean when they say stop talking to me like I'm a panelist or a host on your show, talk to me like I'm not.

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The verdict is in, Paul has been vindicated. She says the same thing. I'm not a panelist on the five San Juan Williams. You don't need to debate your study. We're not a courtroom, dude. Oh, that's what's so funny. I believe that the skills that you use on a panel are actually good for a relationship, but nobody gracelessly because you want it like you do argue with your wife. You want to pretend that you're her lawyer when you're arguing.

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So if you're trying to make her argument better, but it doesn't work. It doesn't work. So it's like you just have to shut up plus or minus and then do that little trick and then it'll become almost instinctive. But it's so funny. We all have the same problems. And it's but I think the worst thing is the same for all guys who are working at home right now in the pandemic, their wives, or actually reversing their husbands.

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And the work when the wife is working, you see her working. And that's interesting, too. So it's kind of like I didn't know this person is it might even be more attractive. I know it's less attractive for my wife to see me work. Now, that's definitely attractive to her. She says she hates it. When I got to crack the whip at some of the companies we run, she loves it. I had some good date nights, ferocious wall.

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I'm sorry, but after that we felt like this is crazy. She said she doesn't like it, but I know she likes it. She she definitely likes it when I when a boss comes up. All right. This is more about your book, though. Again, folks, pick this up. The plus, Greg Gutfeld, self-help for people who hate self-help. Greg, would one of his funny looks on this? You know, the book is it's I know we're talking about it and we're kind of joking of it, but you have a lot of really good stuff in there that's, I think, deeper than you let on.

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You don't want to scare people by pretending it's like a philosophical but some great stuff. You talk about this and I've heard you say this on the five quite a bit, the prison of two ideas. And gosh, Greg, is there ever been a time in human history where this trap is more evident? I mean, right now it's either shut down the economy or you want people dead or locked down schools forever or you definitely want teachers dead. Can you explain this?

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Because I get really sick of hearing this. Also, the other one is you want you either you want to punish protest, you want to you want to hurt peaceful protesters. What's the other side of that prison? If you if you want justice or law and order. Screw it. I'm going to go to the ones you use because they're better off the prison to ideas means there's only two there's only two stances in an issue. You're you either love the environment or you're for nuclear power.

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You can be for nuclear power and love the environment. So they keep debating it. I'm trying to think like, OK, this what you can be for peaceful protesting and want law and order. But what they say is if you want law and order, you are going to be violent against peaceful protesters. No, you want law and order and you want to ferret out the violent people and protect the peaceful protesters. So the prison to ideas makes it impossible for us to have a discussion because it immediately demonizes your your opinion, puts it in a prison and says, oh, you want to you want to open up the economy and people are going to die.

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And it's like, no, we can open up. We can have both. We could open up the economy and save lives. There's going to be a risk. But so the prison to ideas is designed to get us to argue with each other instead of cooperating. You know, this is the power of economics and not to kind of get off track, but, you know, it's studying economics, my passion, my whole life and, you know, economists.

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What's the old joke? You know, you need a one armed economist because they'll always tell you on one hand that they'll never give you an answer. But the benefits economics study from Right. Right. Expellees couch and answer is it does force you to weigh cost benefit. In a way, it's not black or white like nobody says to you. I use the example all the time. Like, you know, in the winter, nobody ever says to you, hey, it's heat or no heat, brother.

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That's not it. Everything's about the margin. How much heat do you want? But nobody says that with these lockdown's. Now, it's your exact example of the present of two ideas where if you say that, if you dare open your mouth and say to someone, hey, you know, we lock the economy down, people are killing themselves, we're seeing high school kids drugging themselves and committing suicide. Redfield said it yesterday. The CDC doc, you know, we're seeing kids losing a year of education.

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Have you weighed this? You want someone you know, you definitely want people dead. And you're like, what if we said not a fair question and it's a mechanism to shut you down? You know, I mean, one more thing. I mean, your interview. But I noticed this happen to you. What will a lot you with Media Matters, you said something on the five where you were just couching in answer and weighing both sides and like felt like wants this guy dead.

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I saw you, like, erupt on this loser piece of garbage. Why I then piled on. But that's kind of what you're talking about, right? Yeah. You know, what's funny is you make you started out with the idea of economists that that is what is lacking a lot. Most of the most of these thinkers are very shallow in their skill set. Anybody who's got an economic background or likes economics understands cost benefit analysis. And it exists everywhere.

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It's everywhere. But like, OK, celebrity movie stars, musicians, reporters, if they're not in economics, have none of this skill set. They can't do it. They weren't taught it in school. But you may you remind me of another and another theory I came up with. It's called game over theory, where like in the old video games when the story development was really short, the games didn't last long. It didn't matter if it didn't have memory when you would, you died in the video game.

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You just started over. Right. You start over now with new video games. It's the story of development is so long that you have to save because you don't want to start over the next day. These are the way they talk about the pandemic and about the riots and about Trump. It's game over every day. They start over with the same talking points as if you never talked about it. So Trump's tweeting. Oh, my God, yes.

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It's been forty years. We're on Chapter eight now. You're still in the preface. And also, it's like the pandemic. We are just let's say you're talking about going back to school. Someone will say, well, we just have to make sure that the children are safe and it's like, OK, so we've moved on from that, like in their head, it's always at the end of the day, the gate, the chalkboards are raised and they start over with the same argument, which is, oh, we need to worry about the children.

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We've already incorporated that into the cost benefit analysis, you moron. And also with non-violent protest versus violent protest, the first their first argument is the last one. You know what? Everybody has a right to freedom of speech. But we're talking about the looting and the burning of the arson. I know, but the mostly peaceful protesters, did they have a right to speak? I know, but we've already incorporated that in our thinking when we were trying to arrest the violent people, you idiot.

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But you so you see, it's like a game over the gate for them. They can't think that far in advance. So the game is over immediately and they just start over again. The myth of Sisyphus rolling that rock up the hill every day. That's what happens when you're a conservative or a libertarian. You have to start over every day with these people. And I don't know, they know they're doing it. But there's that's a great analogy.

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It's a great analogy, folks. We're talking to Greg Gutfeld, author of a book I got through in a couple hours. It's really terrific. It's called The Plus Greg Gutfeld. There it is right there. Amazon, Barnes and Noble, bookstores everywhere. Going to take a quick break. We'll be right back with Greg Gutfeld Today Show brought to you by NetSuite. Listen.

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Please go pick it up. Support creates a really good book. You'll zip through it really fast. A lot of great insights. Greg, one of the things you talk about in the book you bring up is this castle culture. You get into it. And I heard you on Tucker the other night and you had a little bit of a disagreement with Tucker, right. About kids gone. I'm with you on this. One hundred percent have been told I'm a mad mutually assured destruction guy.

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If the left is going to, say, tweet you sent out when you were 14 are applicable. Now, when you're forty seven or whatever they are and there's no apologizing and no redemption, then those are the rules. And those rules apply to you. And when they apply to you, you'll get how stupid they are. Tucker, seem to disagree a little bit, if you could elaborate on that. Yeah, I think the reason why Tucker disagrees is he's so far removed from social media.

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It's amazing he doesn't care, he doesn't care, and he doesn't give a damn. It's like if they come after him, he's like, I don't care. And maybe somebody will tell him about it later. But I don't think he even he's even aware of it. If you're living in this in this other world, you're on it. I'm on it. We know that you can get ruined and anybody can do that. I, I believe that I believe that we should all be sharing the risk so we make it costlier for these losers.

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But at the same time, I realize that's not enough and we need a mutually assured destruction. I love Scott Adams. Had the idea, like, if somebody is trying to get you fired from your job, you should be able to try to get them fired from their job. So you need to find like there has to be a transparency when somebody is coming after you to find out where they work and then call there and then have people call there, because if they have skin in the game, they're not going to do this.

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And to your point, mutually assured destruction, make sure they have skin in the game and that's what's missing. Did you notice, like every problem in life is based on people not having skin in the game? I was thinking about the covid stuff. All the people that are criticizing Trump never were criticizing him in the beginning. They didn't put they didn't take any risks and making practical advice. Pelosi never said anything. The left didn't say anything. So now how dare they have criticism when they didn't have any skin in this?

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And you think about the mobs. I mean, it's the people that are, ah, don't worry about the violence. Don't live in those cities. You know, it's like they're not like when I was talking about what happened in my neighborhood, it was there were people that were like, so what? And it's like because they don't have any skin in the game.

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I saw them on the five when you I think it was one year. And I got to tell you, you know, you're always kind of you laugh a lot, you know, but sometimes you get really fired up. And I saw it. I mean, you know, and you pretty well, you were that was legit. Like, you were really pissed. Like, don't tell me this isn't happening. Like, we can debate. That's what this show is about.

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But don't suggest to me that I live in the city that's being now. I mean, you were really pissing on your skin in the game. You know, Nassim Taleb is a book called Skin in the Game. And he brings up how these Hammurabi codes and stuff where if you built a house and it collapsed, like you were forced to live in the same type of house. And believe it or not, those houses were built pretty damn good.

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And I think you're right, these people out there on Twitter, they feel like, oh, I'm insulated by my liberal label and no one will come after me. And I agree with you a thousand percent that once these rules start to take out some of their people by these ridiculous rules we all know are stupid, they realize the rules are stupid. So, hey, can I ask you a question? Do you do you have a hard time reading Talab.

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I have like three of his books and I, I know this is off topic now. He's the weirdest. He's, he's the weirdest. He has the weirdest style on Twitter. Yeah. I mean his tweets. Yes he's, he's, he's a, he's an angry guy but the thing is like. Yes. You know with the conversation you and I had before the show, I'm an angry guy too so I like that. Aboutaleb if you go after Talab on Twitter he'll eviscerate you forever and he'll never let it go.

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He'll talk about it for twenty years and he'll never forget it. But his book, The Black Swan is just a work of genius like I've never seen. I mean he had, he did this like longitudinal look and I guess he figured all these successful people had to have this one thing in common and he couldn't find anything except for the fact that they all collected opportunities whenever they could. They went to these cocktail parties and eventually they just met someone.

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And his conclusion that a lot of this is just luck you made yourself was just genius. But, you know, it's interesting because he's he's obviously a deeply philosophical guy, even though he comes off kind of angry on Twitter. But like I said, your book has a lot of this stuff in there. I want you to downplay you make another point. Speaking Italian Your book, even though you make it in kind of an easy to relate to fashion, Greg's book, again, the plus available.

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Now, go pick it up, folks. You make this point. I love Joseph Schumpeter, who always said capitalism was going to kind of sow the seeds of its own destruction because it's so successful of a system when allowed to flourish that people start to notice things. You write this in your book and in almost the exact same way that this is why these Twitter mobs work, because we're so successful. Nobody's worried about food. Our biggest problems, obesity.

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Right. We're just too fat. We eat too much. Nobody has to work on a farm 12 hours a day. I mean, even, you know, it's just, you know, you're not forced to do it. And you make this brilliant point that this is why Twitter mobs work, because a lot of these kids are so damn bored and have nothing to do. So they just join a damn Twitter. Makes a great point. Yeah, it is, I think almost like ambivalence and boredom are the biggest villains in a young life.

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I mean, it's like when you see Medtner, you see the Twitter mentality, by the way, has trained them to think that this kind of rage over little things or anything is now natural behavior. And so now they're on the street and now you see these gender these gender warriors, let's say that call them social justice, gender warriors, where it's mostly men who now identify as women and they're almost all white, which is interesting. These black life matters the most.

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Agitated, violent people are white, which I find hilarious and sad. But anyway, beyond that, they now it's now kind of created almost like a mental illness or or let's say, a mentality where they're in constant rage, they're in constant rage and they can't stop. And I think it's from out of boredom. They don't have maybe they don't maybe they don't have a skill set that maybe maybe they don't have much of a future. And I don't want it to I don't want to give them an excuse, but maybe they have got to get everything in life.

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They're never going to have to worry about anything except will they have a livelihood or a career that they're proud of. And but they took gender studies. Right. Didn't have a career that that actually is it could create wisdom and ingratitude and achievement. If you're if you're in academia and doing nothing but social justice, all that's left for you is to scream into the void on Twitter or torch a federal building in Portland because you have nothing else. It's like they created this this boredom creates this world that they're now trapped in and they think it's real and it's actually a threat to us, which is sad.

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You know, one of the things you bring up in the book, too, is their never ending search to find things to be pissed off about. Now, Greg, you and I are reasonably smart. I mean, listen, I'm no Steven Hawking, but we get the idea, OK? If you're genuinely outraged, you shouldn't have to find a subject to be out, right? Like if someone kicks you in the in the Cohodas, you're pissed off.

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You don't need to wait. Am I outraged about this? I'm like, that's the interesting thing about outraged cultures. They're so bored they have to find stuff. The perfect example is the Redskins. Like when you ask Native Americans about the Redskins, nine out of ten are like, it's great. It honors and honors our hero. Whatever it is doesn't bother me at all. So only one out of ten actual Native Americans is even remotely offended about this.

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And yet, you're right, you've got some eighteen year old Snuggies wearing smores. Rostand kid living in mom's basement with no job, never gotten his hands dirty in his life, has never had to work on a farm to actually feed himself like real men do. And he's like the Redskins. I'm furious. I'm furious. And, you know, this is like everybody keeps making fun of women calling them Karen. I was one of them. But most of the parents, it's not it's not a gender thing.

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It's it's I think I feel like it's almost exclusively white Leptis thing. And they are the ones that are making a big deal over things. And, you know, it's funny, they are actually culturally appropriating Black Lives Matter and Black Lives Matters knows this. So so I do believe that Black Lives Matter that are authentically upset people. And I've seen them yelling at white Leptis, telling them, shut up now, stop throwing that crap. And you see these videos.

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Now more on Twitter of black women screaming at, like white lefties, like when they were looting, taking stuff from them and going, knock it off. I love that. I also love on Twitter. I love on Twitter. When people in the outrage theater, when they tweet, I'm shaking.

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As I'm literally shaking, they say literally, literally shaking it, literally shaking. I know you're not you're not sick. You're not shaking. You're literally shaking. If you were in a car accident or a nine point zero earthquake or or home invasion, you are not literally shaking because a comedian made a joke on Twitter, you jackass.

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They are. Jack, it's all right. Listen, I know you got to run. You got a ton of shows. I did. One more question for you, and it's one of the podcasts I like. You Can't Talk by Russell Roberts. It's terrific. It's his hour long, long form interviews. But he had a guy on. He's from Cuba. He worked for the CIA. His name was Martin Gurry. And he was talking about how initially the printing press during the Thirty Years War, everybody said the printing press is so horrible, people got to see religion in print for the first time.

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There's this thirty year war. All these people died. It was awful. I bring that up because a lot of people, I think you and I agree are like she's. What's the point of Twitter, man? This thing just sucks. Like the world is a big net negative because of Twitter right now. My question for me. Right. Do you think don't like the printing press that maybe this is just the short term thing and in the long run.

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Maybe the exchange of information will make us better or we really just doomed. I hope so, because there's there's some real promising things here, for example, the idea of the world becoming a hive mind, which means we might be able to solve things a lot faster when you've got billions of heads involved in finding a cure for something. Remember, like looking at cures for disease before everybody's working together, that would take years. It may it could be the vaccine.

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Looking for a vaccine might actually be faster when you have this high. But when you've got all these people interconnected, I hope that's I hope that's the case. But we are living in an experiment right now. We are literally, literally we are living in an experiment with social media. We are the we are the lab rats. We don't we don't know how this is going to go. That's going to be interesting. Yeah. I mean, one of the things in your book, again, folks, the plus and we'll wrap it up here, why don't you give an example in the book about this very phenomenon on Twitter where you talk about Meghan Kelly, former colleague at Fox, where the whole blackface episode, which you just mentioned and asked the question like, was this at one time acceptable in our history?

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And yet you have the governor of Virginia. We don't know if he's the Klansman or the blackface guy. We still haven't figured that out. And he's still in office. And you're like, how is this legit on Twitter? How is this a legit argument? You are outraged about Megyn Kelly and you don't give a damn about the Ku Klux Klan or a blackface guy. She wasn't even wearing anything she just said kind of like a silly thing, and then all of a sudden the world explodes.

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He's still alive. He's still operating. He's got he got away with it. And it's like I still love at Kimmel on hiatus story, which is like he knew the basketball was going to come out and all this other stuff was coming out. And he said, yeah, yeah. Then he goes, I'm going to go on vacation. I'll be back in September. And it's like, oh, wow. Yeah, I can't do that. You can't you can't do it.

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I can't do that. We get canceled. We just know you got to handle that like Jesse did the other day in the five where you announce in advance if you think there's going to be a scandal, you're going up before it breaks down, right? Yes. He did that on the five the other day. I'm going to miss March. So if anything, could be a brilliant, brilliant move. Greg, listen, thanks for joining us.

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I know you got to run, folks. Pick his book up now. The plus by the Greg Greg Gutfeld. Better than expected. Always hilarious this book. You'll get through it in a couple hours. Please support this man. He deserves it. Greg, thanks a lot. I know you got it back. There was. Yeah, it's. Appreciate it. I'll see you soon. Take care.

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