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Welcome to the Big Sui, presented by draftkings. Why are you listening to this show? The podcast that seems very similar to the other Dan Levitard podcast.


I'm sorry.


I'm not going to apologize for that.


In fact, the only difference seems to be this imaging. I have been tempted in restaurants, just walking past tables to grab somebody's fries if they're just there. That hasn't happened to you guys.


I've done it.


And now here's the marching man to nowhere, fat face and the habitual liar.


Today's episode is sponsored by DraftKings. Stay tuned because you'll hear more about draftkings and all it has to offer throughout the show. DraftKings. The crown is yours, Billy. If you could slack me the link to the gel that makes my pee, this gelatinous thing that I can carry to one of the trash cans, I'd appreciate that.


Did you guys ever see envy Jack Black?




Isn't there like a spray that they poopery?


Yeah, where he sprays poo and then, like, he makes.


I think we have that in our bathrooms here.


Well, yeah, but this one makes poop disappear.


That's what you spray into the toilet.


The smell of the actual.


No, my bad. That's actually called poopery.


Vapoo rise was the thing in the movie vapourize. Cam Newton's apologized for his involvement in the fight.


How'd you experience that? As your friend was being ganged up on?


I felt bad that I wasn't there with him, to be honest with you, to try to help him fend off some of the people.


Now, it was a sucker punch from the videos that I'd seen, and still. Even though as someone that was receiving the sucker punch, he was still trying to break up a fight that he found himself in the middle of. And the hat stayed on the entire time?


Yeah, I mean, I haven't seen this whole thing. There's two videos I saw, the first one where he was just kind of apologizing for his involvement saying there's too many people depending on him, that he can't say, be the bigger person and then be involved in something like that. And then there's another one that I haven't seen yet. But if you listen to the involvement of the fight, it appears he was kind of talking some crap, which seems normal, I would think, in most sporting events, but the people that he got in a fight with didn't appreciate how far he was going, I guess. I don't know.


This fight actually didn't come as a surprise. I've been following, I'm on some weird Cam Newton algorithm, and he had been beefing with seven on seven teams out there. There were videos in the days leading up to this. This built a crescendo where you knew that there was beef that appeared to be a sucker punch. But the most impressive part about that video is, number one, Cam Newton. Huge. Just not someone confirmed to make to make the choice. It's no wonder why several people went at Cam Newton, because he's the greatest goal line threat in the history of the sport for a reason, as a big guy, and the hat just makes him seem even more big and tough. There's no bringing him down, but he's apologized. I saw that video, and granted, I don't know what's really going on here. Outside of the videos that framed some of this stuff, I don't really see anything for him to apologize for, other than an example. There's children that are fans of his. He is in a leadership position at seven v, seven fields, but nothing really to apologize for. The other people should apologize.


Well, I mean, I don't know. I haven't seen the second video yet, so I don't know exactly.


Did you let him know that you're there and you got his back? If that ever happens on here, it's.


One of those things that you want to give them some space. You know what mean, like, when a friend's going through, you want to be supportive, but also from a distance, because you want to pile on and have them feel, like, publicly. I'd like to say that I support cam and I'm there for him and all that, but I don't want to bother him because I'm sure he's really going through it right now with a lot of people like me personally, my closest friends, I'll check in with, like, twice a year, and we're good. And I feel like they feel the same way about me.


They're like, salute, Peter King. Hey, good.




I got caught up in the Peter King thing where he was. Who was it that he said that he looked like? He said that he looked like. He's like, oh, I feel like Clint Eastwood or something like that. I'm like, yeah, you look like him, too. And you gave me that exact same look when I said it. And I didn't realize at the time he was talking about, like, an 80 year old Clint Eastwood. And I'm like, yeah, that wasn't the.


Nicest thing to say.


I was trying to compliment him because.


Everyone talks about how old Clint Eastwood looks.


I know, but I was thinking young Clint Eastwood.


He specifically said grand Torino to frame the conversation. It wasn't dirty, hairy Clint Eastwood.


I hear about 40% of what happens if that. So I just am like, yeah, that's. I just try to agree with people.


It's one of those 60% conversations because I want to close a loop on Formula One. I happen to think that Formula One was just like shell corporation and just a whole ponzi scheme, and it was inflated because of the pandemic. And everyone during lockdown was looking for content and they found it in drive to survive, and it's become a template. We work at a media company and I receive at least three drive to survive inspired templates.


They've replicated it with tennis, golf, NASCAR. Like, they're making drive to survive spinoffs of every other sport.


Right. It's curious that drive to survive becomes a template because this is hard knocks, but no one's really replicated the success of drive to survive since full swing. I enjoyed some of those episodes on Netflix. I know it's back for season two, but I don't even think drive to survive has replicated the success of drive to survive. And Formula One, it was really peaking. It was fastest growing sport. We've heard that in this country with motorsports before, and it's usually not a great thing when you're called the fastest growing sports because it's unsustainable and you're going from a place that's very low. This is a bit of a niche attraction. Formula one. A lot of excitement down here for the first grand Prix. Second grand Prix, not so much, but.


They did have higher attendance, apparently, the second year, the second year in Miami, the attendance has been good, actually very good at all the american races. They added the Vegas race last year, which was a flop for a number of reasons.


Was that well attended?


Yes, apparently it was. They said there were over 300,000 people throughout the weekend.


I believe Vegas hated it.


All the people from Vegas hated it. That's all they could talk about when we were there.


They hated it.


As someone that visited Vegas like maybe three times prior to as they were doing construction, I hated it. I hated this race because it's the strip and they're doing, I didn't watch.


It because it was at 01:00 a.m. And the qualifying ended at like 05:00 a.m. Eastern because they had that manhole cover issue the first night.


I'm familiar, but it seems as though Formula one got one over on us. And I know you host a Formula one show, but it's really tailed off.


I haven't gotten that sense. I feel like it's not like growing as much anymore. You don't meet people that are like, oh my God, I just started watching. But I do think the people that are still following it are going to stick around like they're here to stay. Our audience for DNF has done very well. I haven't really seen much of a tail off in that. At least the tv ratings have been really good. And again, it's a good product to watch on tv because it's short. It's 2 hours on a Sunday morning when a lot of times in the states in eastern time, there's not a lot else on really. So I don't think it's flopped as much. But again, it's hard to really tell because attendance is good. Ratings are good. Our ratings have been solid on our podcast, but I can't really tell how many new people are getting into. And if that's the metric, then maybe that is not great.


What I'm doing is I'm approaching this from a very naive place. I just don't hear as many people talking about this and it hasn't really captured the discourse the way that it used to. But I've got five minutes left in this show and I really want to get into.


I was worried that we were not going to get to what.


I'm going to try to squeeze it in, but I know that we have to hit this. All right, bring John Reed in real quick because John Reed alleged in a pre show meeting that he invented something and he hasn't reaped any of the rewards for it. I'll let John Reed speak to exactly what he claims he invented.


You're positioning this all wrong, saying he claims he invented as though he did not.


Well, I'll let the audience be the judge. But John, it's the selfie stick.


Well, Chris.


Yes, the selfie stick along with the first gimbal for the iPhone.




All right. I would say around 2010.


No, I'm not going to let you reverse engineer a gimbal here, because you were calling it a selfie stick all meeting long, and then we saw the evidence in question, and then we told you it's a gimbal, and now you're making this an iPhone.


I invented the selfie stick first. I just didn't have the prototype ready.


All right, so I'm going to let you toss to this video. It's a minute long, so keep that in mind. Your claims of inventing the selfie stick was like. It was a practical application. You were in New York and random people came up to you, or at least you thought random people came up to you.


What are we about to see here, Times Square? Let's just run the video.


This is the invention of the selfie stick.


This is the first video with the selfie stick gimbal that you invented.


The prototype.


The prototype video.


All right? Right now, I'm standing in the middle of Times Square looking at the first prototype for the jump rig exclusive iPhone. As you can see, iPhone right here in motion all day long. Of course I have a light on it. I got a beautiful light on it, man. Of course you got a light. Absolutely. We got to calm down here. I like it. I was walking by. You got a steady cam in your iPhone. I had to stop and say something incredible. What's going on, man? We get money. You don't know about it. They call me to be. We winning, baby. I'm playing around with my man, and we winning, baby. You know what it is. Daddy, would you like some sausage? Daddy, would you like some sausage? Daddy, would you like some sausage? Daddy, would you like some sausage? Do it. Daddy, would you like some sausage? Daddy, would you like some sausage? Getting sausages. Yeah. I take pride in my inventions, man. That's just one of many.


All right, John, wait.


Hold on.


Couple questions. Number one, that's not a stick. That is not a stick.


It's better than the selfie stick. It's a gimbal. I just want the listening audience to selfie stick before we get into the nuts and bolts. Tom Green stumbled, if you didn't tell by voice or by us saying it, tom Green, the Tom Green was in that video, just stumbled upon John in New York.


That's my favorite part about the video, because you have graphics that put up Tom Green's Twitter handle. But we discovered that when this person approached you, you had no idea who.


I had no clue.


You had no idea. That came up to you or Daddy.


Did you like my sausages? I didn't know that was a real song from a movie. My sausage. Oh, clueless.


So Tom Green comes up to you as you invent this. You called it a selfie stick, and then we correctly.


I walked it back.


It was a game. But we found out that the selfie stick was invented seven years before you thought you invented the selfie stick, which your invention was not a stick.


Yeah, it was a motorola. Listen, nothing counts unless it's An Apple. Was it 2010 when FaceTime came out? IPhone four. That's what only counts.


This is not an Apple Android thing. That's not a stick.


The video pans a little. There's someone in Times Square with a selfie stick behind you.


No, you don't think so?


A telescopic extender for compact handheld cameras was patented by Yuida Hiroshi and Mima Yujiro in 1983.


The point is, none of this stuff was for sale. None of it was available. So I got creative. All right.


Was yours.


Listen, you guys pressed it.


Could have been.


I'm not out here trying to invent stuff on the street. Like, I'm out here with the prototype. He said prototype. At least at the time, he thought he was inventing something. I could be living next to Jeff Bezos on South beach if it wasn't still my idea. But here I am producing. I'm happy to be here.


Let's sue someone who do at sharp dress.


John's done it didn't even.


Oh, man.


It wasn't even super practical.


That was just a prototype.


It was just hilarious in our preshow meeting when John's just like, yeah, I invented the selfie stick. What are you talking. No, look.


I mean, he did. It's right there.


It's not even extending it. The whole thing with a selfie stick is you can go far away.


Well, that's less convenient.


That's just a prototype. Like, look at. If you go back and you watch Shark tank when ring was on or whatever, before it was ring, and it was something. It was like a massive thing. That's what it looks like. And then you have version two and version three, and then know gets smaller and more functional engineer here.


But it's not extending the camera.


If Billy is supporting you, tread lightly.


For that reason, I am out.


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Don Lebotard, you are very comfortable talking about how you met your wife, how much you love her, how important she is to you. And that's the reason that I asked the question. I've always admired that about you, that you have no problems whatsoever professing your love.


Well, the thing is, I have a new wife. Know me and Bianca didn't make it, so I moved on. We moved on. It was for the better, for both of us. Still got, things just got a little awkward there. So let me be the first on this show to congratulate you on the new wife. Vince, congratulations on feeling whole, feeling complete.


Let's talk tailgating.


Yeah, don't feel awkward, budy.


I appreciate you soothing me in this regard, but I already feel terribly awkward. And then my teammate comes to my defense with not a question, but just a healthy congratulations and the further pointing out of that awkwardness, because he's always good for me in those spots. I'm also thinking of divorce. Vince, after many, many years, 18 years, with a partner who does things like that to you.


This is the Don Levitar show with the stu guts.


Tomorrow. It is nice to see you. I'm happy to talk to you. And if they're not telling you this, as you make the rounds on some of what you are doing, you are a brave soul, sir, getting out there with your feelings and your vulnerabilities and being somebody who's leading at a time that it can be hard to vocalize your thoughts. So thank you for the work you do, sir.


Thank you. I appreciate that.


I will tell the audience. He's a six time all star. He's the king of the mid range. He's a superstar forward for the Chicago Bulls, one of the best players in Raptors history. And what I'm complimenting him on is the work that he's been doing on mental health. He was one of the leading pioneers in basketball. Talking about it at a time. We all felt a little bit tested. And he's got a new series about mental health on his YouTube channel. It's called dinners with the mar. He talks to Draymond Green, Dwayne Wade, Damien Lillard, and I saw a clip of, you know, he had to be talked into a thousand times. Go talk to somebody. Get some tools. Can you explain to me, please, and thank you for joining us. Can you explain to me why Draymond would be so reluctant to be introspective? When Draymond's a person who's always trying to get better, why wouldn't he try to get better there?


I think we all deal with that to some type of. Well, it could be with anything. Sometimes I know somebody who didn't feel like they needed help with cooking. Any little help is always needed. And sometimes you have that pushback, and sometimes you need that right person to kind of just give you the insight on how to approach it. And Draymond being a good friend of mine, me feeling like I've been through the ups and downs of feeling exactly how he felt, sometimes you just need to hear that. Sometimes you need that little extra little push to understand that it's okay to go try it out. And sometimes when you try it out, you may not fill it right away. And that's okay, too. Just take your time with it and fill your way into it. So just me having a respect and a love for him, I felt like it was my job just to try to help him out the best way I can.


But explain to me what it is about athleticism, about masculinity that makes it hard to ask for help.


I think that's the stigma that we trying to break now, is just being men. I feel like when you grow up, you always taught to be tough. You always taught not cry, to suck it up, not complain. No matter how hard or difficult something is, you're not supposed to have feelings. And I think it's something that's embedded at an early age, that kind of, you feel like when you go through life and you deal with so much, you're still supposed to have that same type of mindset, and that's not right. And I think us having those conversations, trying to break that stigma is something that stemmed from when we was younger. Just being men always have to be tough.


Well, how did that work out for you? I mean, nobody questions your toughness. You emerged from Compton and felt how, when you're being told by everybody that you're tough, and yet you can't quite identify why you're depressed.


Yeah. I mean, it took for me to be 26 years old to really just stop caring about if somebody knew I was sad or I was in a dark place or I felt down or I felt alone. I remember having a conversation with myself saying, man, I've been through so much. I made it out of Compton, California. I've seen the worst of the worst. I can never feel less than myself, and it took for me to be 25, 26 years old to realize that. And sometimes it takes time for you to get to that point to understand, like, I shouldn't feel less than the individual because I understand all the things that I've been through, and how can I be better going forward?


Can we walk through some of the details of that? Because I feel like you're hiding quite a bit under the umbrella of I've been through a lot. Would it not stand a reason, whatever that is, by your definition, that you would have some post traumatic stress disorder at 25? That makes it too much to bear?


Yeah. You work so hard trying to make it out, the urban community, that you sweep so much stuff under the rug. I lost a couple of my best friends to gang violence before I was even out of high school. I lost uncles, I lost family members to gang violence. It was a point in my life where I went to countless funerals before I was 16 years old. Seeing things and going through so much of that, you really don't realize how much it takes a toll on you, emotionally and mentally, to later down the line when your whole goal is to make it out of that environment. In the same token, you're running away from so many emotions that you're leaving behind. And sometimes those same emotions will catch up to you at some point. And for me, that's what it was. You see so much of the good that life had to offer you and forgetting how much of the bad that you went through at a young age, too. And those two dynamics kind of collided with one another and kind of put me in a tricky place that I had to fight through and understand how could I be better and not hide these feelings that I was carrying for so long?


Are you talking about avoiding grief? Are you talking about not having any idea what to do with. I love this person, and now they're dead. I'm a teenager. What the hell? How is this my life?


Grief, survivors, remorse, growing and leaving people that you grew up from day one behind because maybe they had different thought process on how life should go. I grew up having a big family, a huge community of friends. And when the separation started to happen, you deal with so much grief that you leave behind, so much sadness, so much stuff that was never addressed. Because for me, I had one goal, and that was to make it out. And you realize once you make it out, how much stuff you left behind. So much stuff you didn't address, that kind of takes a toll on you. And especially with me, feeling like coming from two different worlds been a lead for so long, seeing so much of the positive that it has to bring, but also not addressing so much of the negative stuff that I had went through, it took a toll.


When you say survivors remorse, how and when did you identify any of that? How and when did that have a name for you?


I always felt it. I think the title really made those feelings come to light, because it was always those feelings of feeling bad for losing a friend, knowing you got to face that friend's family, talk to them, see the sadness in them, and feeling hurt. And even worse, knowing that someone you was close to, you have to see their family grieve. And sometimes they make you don't want to come around or even bring it up because it feel like it's just opening up another womb. So it was always a challenge for me, trying to just find what exactly those emotions was for me and just try to figure it out so I don't consistently be in these dark places and not know why.


Can you explain to me sort of where and when and how maybe this doesn't happen as an illumination, but you're looking around at your life, and, you know, I've overcome all the ods. I should and do have great gratitude for the fact that I've arrived at someplace other people cannot possibly dream of. And yet I am here in my hotel room or whatever, and I'm not happy. I've got nothing but shit feelings on me. Like, what's wrong with me? How did that reveal itself to you, man?


Just some days out the blue, you find yourself just being frustrated, mad, angry, having animosity towards people that didn't even do anything to you. Starting to have these doubts for no reason, these unwarranted aggressions, these moments where the smallest thing will get you out, your character. And those feelings used to happen so much, and it used to make me even more mad, because I'm sitting there like, why the hell am I mad? Nobody said none to me wrong. Nobody did nothing to me wrong. But you have these built up frustrations, this animosity, this pushback, you pushing people away, just everything negative for no reason. And the more frequent that happened, the more I had to look at myself and address so much. And it's still a challenge for me to this day. It's something that I haven't completely been able to figure out. But when I have those feelings now, I try to combat them. With something positive and don't let it bleed over and make it worse for me in any other type of light.


So your behavior, you didn't recognize it?


No, not at all. I didn't recognize it, didn't see it. And you look back and you got to apologize to the ones that you may have said something to or may have gave off aggressive nature towards because you going through something unknowingly and taking it out on the next person. So I definitely didn't see that.


Is it pushing stuff down for so many years, not even having time for it, because to get ahead in your game, you had to be obsessive, compulsive, lopsided, no time to examine anything, and then all of a sudden it's coming out as anger. And you don't recognize anger because why am I angry?


That's exactly what it is. I think people don't understand growing up the way I grew up. Only way you know how to deal with aggression was with aggression. Sometimes that aggression played a good part when it came to sports and it came to channeling that energy to some positive. But sometimes when you don't realize where you challenging that energy towards it comes out wrong, it comes out aggressive towards people who doesn't deserve it. And it's a hard feeling because you carry so much weight, so much animosity, so many burdens on you that you haven't addressed, that cause these feelings to occur. And it's not fair to you. It's not fair to the ones that try to be there for you, to help you. And it's hard to see when people really are there for you. But you're dealing with so much aggressive and so much negativity on you that you take it out on them.


Can you walk us through here? Because these guys are dying to talk basketball with you. And I will tell the people again. Dinners with Demar. It features interviews with Draymond Green, Dwayne Wade, Damien Lillard. It's a new series about mental health and I don't think people understand the daily stresses that you guys are under. But can you help people understand without incriminating anybody, the difficulties that came with money appearing for you in your life? You get out and now people expect your help for things. And these are people that you love and these are people that you do not want to say no to. But you don't know how to handle your finances, you don't know how to handle wealth, you don't know how to handle boundaries. Can you give me some general ideas of how difficult that transition is.


Man, the word entitlement is a real thing. And I don't think many people really understand the significance of the word entitlement just because someone knew you at the age of 15. Your success is their success for some od reason. Even if they felt like they walk with you to school or they sit in the same classroom with you or family members feeling like we family, they deserve the exact same thing you have. And if it's one person thinking like that, imagine the family members and other people and the friends that feel that way. The entitlement thing really takes a toll on a lot of people in our league because you don't want to let down family and friends. But family and friends don't put in consideration that they're not the only one asking for something or needing something or putting their problems on us where we still trying to figure it out. We work so hard to try to do better for ourself and we all want to help and want to be there for our friends and family. But sometimes it becomes overbearing when their entitlement get played on us because people really don't understand what it's like for us, how lonely it is, how frustrating, how much we got to give to this game, that it takes a toll.


So I think entitlement is definitely one of the main causes of this whole thing.


Nobody wants to hear it though, right? Nobody wants to hear, hey, Demar's lonely, right? What do you mean? Demar's got the life we all want.


What are you talking about exactly?


Prime example is like I've seen Dame said the other day, he really don't have a life. And you see so many people saying, how can you not have a life? You're making x amount of money every single day. And it's like we human at the end of the day. It's like a quote I read from Jim Carrey before was he wish he had everybody. He wish everybody in the world could experience being rich so they will know and understand that money isn't everything and it's not. Money don't solve problems. If anything, money will bring more problems. Yes, money makes so much stuff easier for you in your life to be able to live comfortably, but that don't take away from all the stresses that it bring. And it's hard. It's a tough life, especially when you give your all into the game and you really care and you don't get caught up in materialistic things. You realize money isn't everything. Money just brings more problems. That you got to understand how to cipher through those problems that gives you more of a headache.


I understand exactly what you're saying. And yet when you counter my I'm saying to you, no one wants to hear Demar's lonely. No one wants to hear Demar say either that money brings as many problems as it solves, but you're just telling people, just asking people to understand that if you're depressed or if a loved one has had their heart broken or if you're grieving, I'm not sure where money is helping there or how money is helping too much there for sure.


Because like you said, the title may going to kick in because the next person is not going to care about if you're feeling lonely, if you're going through something personally or how your day went because they hold this thing over you like, oh, you're making all this money, you shouldn't have no problems if I had this. You always hear those stories because people are so insensitive when it's a dollar sign in front of the main person and it's not fair at all. And I think that's when empathy come into play. I feel we lack so much of that because we prejudge people that we see on tv because we think they have it all. We think they have a great life. We think they live in a dream. It's so tricky because we live in a time where you look at social media and people live a lie so quick and it's not fair, we prejudge by so much false perception of the world we live in that people just take it out on you because they have less than Don Lebotard.


We got Afrini Hardaway.


Who was Afrini Hardaway?


I was trying to read fast.


Ud was on the team.


Luke Jackson, Bobby Jones, the Matrix, Shaw, Marion, Stu, guts, Zoe Shaq, Smush Parker, Chris Quinn.


Wait a minute.


D wade.


Wait a minute.


Jason Williams. They're all right.


I mean stacked roster.


This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugats.


Demar, I just want to do a little mid interview check on you here because Dan will do this the entire time.


If you don't stop for several months.


I will talk.


A vulnerable, honest athlete. Catnip.




The rarest of what? Everything he a vulnerable, honest athlete willing to talk about his feelings. DeMar DeRozan, I'm willing to start a live stream with you from right now until the end of time where we will just talk about this, but instead you'll have to take it in doses because he plays basketball. Dinners with Demar is where you'll get it. But go ahead, get your basketball questions in. I know Tony puts you top wear on bucket getters all time.


He's in the top ten bucket getters of all time. DeMara Rosen. I appreciate that, and I'm going to get your top five bucket getters very soon. But I have a quick fire question for you. Deeper. Kobe bag. You or PJ?


Me. Kobe. Strictly Kobe's me. Yes, strictly Kobe's shoes, PJ, but strictly Kobe's me.




What's your favorite pair?


My favorite pair probably is so tricky. Probably the ones where it all started. Kobe one is my favorite. Really?


I'm an eights guy. Yeah, eight.


You can't go wrong. Yeah, eights. Eights for sure. But I think for me, where all started is the Kobe one's for sure.


Give me your top five bucket getters. Now, we have some parameters for these. Bucket say, you can't say Michael, you can't say LeBron. It's got to be guys that when you think of, you need to get a bucket right now.


Are we talking just mid range?


No, we're talking everything. Complete game, everything. But that's the implication. Everything. Who do you think of top five.


Guys, if I may, just real quick, because I've got follow up questions on just sneakers, because I'm curious who he regards as in the league. I don't know that anybody looks at somebody else and is envious of their collection.


Dude, PJ Tucker. He's a demigod in this game.


Yeah, PJ, you got to. As far as being a sneaker king, that's PJ. PJ got it. Ain't nobody touching him when it comes to complete. Just shoes. Because to this day, the amount of shoes, there's been times he facetime me from a house where he don't even live in. And it's just nothing but shoes. Wall to wall, ceiling to ceiling, just to show me certain shoes, like warehouses, storage. Literally a house. Like, literally a house that's just no furniture. It's just shoes. Kitchen full of shoes. Stairway full of shoes.


He's got a trap house for shoes.


Is that what you're telling me?


Shoes in a sink.


Sounds like he's a hoarder.


No, but it looked like a museum. I promise you he will tell you. It's the craziest thing he ever showed.


He's a caretaker of the shoe game, no doubt.


Who's the guy in the NBA that is trying to come for his stuff? Like, no I'm the guy. No one knows about my shoe collection.


I don't know. I haven't seen nobody, like, how extreme PJ is with the shoes. I don't think it's nobody else because it's been like that since I've been in a league with PJ.


Joe Johnson had a retinal scan to get into his areas, his warehouse areas. Only he could get into his warehouse areas. There's no even urban legend of somebody.


Being better than nobody because even with Joe was a Jordan guy. So Joe had all the Jordans. PJ has everything. Nike and everything. Like, it's not just one specific. You have all the LeBron's, all the Kobe's, all the kds, all the Kyrie's, all any Gary Paytons, any athlete that played the Nike shoe, even Steph, when Steph was with Nike, he has those. You know what mean? Like, he has every Nike shoe you could think of. It's incredible.


I want to get back to the mid range game stuff, but can you just tell me or bucket getter stuff? Excuse me. I've got word association in the head. But Grant Williams, when he goes from Lucas sneakers in Dallas to Tatum sneakers in Dallas, what kind of offense is it?


Somebody told me that one day, and I didn't believe it. So that's a real thing.


It is indeed a real thing. And he was trying to do a thing, Dan. It was pretty awesome.


I don't know if he was trying to make it a thing, but I love mean, I love it. It's entertaining to me.


All right, bucket getters, who do you have for us? All time. You're going all time, right, Tony, you're going all time.


And you said I can't use Kobe or Mike, right?


You got to give me bucket getters. Yeah. Not legends. Not legends of the game. I need bucket getters.


Can I put KD?


You could put Katie, but that's a.


Legend of the.




Like, you can't be on Mount Rushmore and on this bucket, like, J crossover. Like, that's what I'm thinking of. J crossover.


Well, this is what you're doing, though. Privately, you're offending Demar by saying he's not KD. By saying he's not.


No, you are doing that.


There's a level of greatness.


It's all implied. Yeah, you're all time great. You might end up on some Mount Rushmore. That's not what we're looking for here. We're looking for the bucket getters like Michael Beasley.




Thank you.


So no legends. All right, let me see.


Like, mainly role players, essentially, before we even do this. Hold on, DeMar. This whole thing was born of me telling these guys they weren't real hoopers. They didn't really know about Mike Beasley and how he could give anybody a bucket anywhere.




Me and Tony, we both know basketball.


Yeah. I mean, Mike don't get enough credit for being one of the most dominant college players of all, so I definitely get your point of view with that. Let me hear your top five so I know what to go.


That's what Tony wanted.


I won't pick nobody from your top five. Let me hear your top.


Yeah, he wants more parameters.


He wants some archetypes that he can. Okay, so we need. Jamal Crawford is on there for sure. Michael Beasley for sure. I don't have my list moving. Michael Redd Bucketter. He's more of a bucket getter, more of a sniper.


You know what? You not having him turning it on you.


I know he did.


What about playoff Gary Neal? Playoff Gary Neal special. What's happening?


All right, I got a bucket. All right. I put Lou will in there.




There you go.


You're getting the game better than playoff Gary Neal.


That's how you play. Lou Williams is the top. This should be the Lou Williams memorial bucket getter.


Crawford's got some words.


What about putting Lou will? Jamal Crawford. I put Nick Young up there. Wow.


That's how you play.


All right.


He knows how to play the game. Yes. This is exactly how you play the game.


Let's see.


Swaggy's going to love being.


Who I say. I said Lou will, Jamal Crawford and Swaggy, straight bucket. This is a good one. This is a good one.


Thank you.


I want to make sure my list is good. Oh, that's a good one.


Dion Waiters. Dion Waiters.


Now we're just playing the game.


No, let me make sure I get this last one. Dion is a good one. Oh, my God. Let's see. Do I want to go old school?


He's got a new series about mental health on his YouTube channel. I'm just giving him filibuster time to think. It's called Dinners with Demar. It features interviews with Draymond Green, Dwayne Wade, Damian Lillard, and more. Demar de Rosen is here, ready to close out this segment with his fifth top five bucket getter of all time.


Oh, my God. This is a good. Oh, I know. I'm gonna be so mad later on when other names come to my mind.


Next week. You can call us every day when new names.


Monte Ellis.


Monte Marcus.


Come on. Yeah.


Monte, thank you for helping.


What size do you wear?


Tomorrow I'm going to throw you some shoes.


Thank you. Appreciate that.


Thank you. Appreciate it.


Tony. Me, we all know who. Yeah, you three, we're great at it.


Yeah, that's a good one. I like that.


Thanks, Tamar.


Appreciate you.


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