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Hi, this is Jeff Garland.

I'm with Susie Esman.

Yeah, so you just heard our theme song. What do you think of it, Susie?

I think it's gorgeous.

It is gorgeous. Yeah, it's very synoptrasque.

Okay.

All right, let's start the show.

Okay. Episode two, season one, Ted and Mary. Let me just start by telling this little anecdote. Ted and Mary knew Larry because they both had houses in the summer and Martha's vineyard. And when Larry first did the first hour special pilot, he showed it to Ted and Mary, and Ted thought it was the worst thing he'd ever seen. You've heard him tell this, of course. He thought it was just like, he was like, oh, my God. Good luck with this. Rolling his eyes. And then here he is in episode two of the season.

And by the way, we'll get to this later. But in this episode, he's kind of playing something that he's not normally used to playing, which is he's the good guy. He's being magnanimous throughout the episode.

His character has changed.

Very much so. And by the way, he does say heaven in real life when describing something.

Well, that's why Larry will frequently take the reality of somebody go with it. So it starts out in a bowling alley, which I'd like to know how many times they actually bowled together.

I don't know. But I think that Larry probably, there's those interesting questions I ask him. We're talking about photography. He says, I've never used a camera. What? As a matter of fact, I've never taken a picture. And of course, I lose my shit. And we go into detail on it, and he tells me he's never used the camera. Never put money. Never put money in a jukebox.

He's a very unusual being.

So, Monday, I think we need to ask him if he's ever been bowling, because bowling is fun. Not for me. I hate it.

Oh, I like it.

I hate bowling. Maybe it's because they call me Gutterball Joe.

That's my nickname.

I'm Gutterball.

And they're having a good time.

Yes.

I'm shocked that he even wore those disgusting bowling shoes. You remember when you were a kid, you went into the bowling alley and they'd sprayed the inside of the shoes?

Yeah, but everybody wore them.

Oh, that's disgusting.

But you wore them when you were a young lady.

Of course, I'm surprised, knowing Larry as I do, that he would have ever worn those shoes. But again, and they're having a great time, and then he goes to get his real shoes, and they're gone. His campers, right?

They still make.

Yeah, yeah.

Jimmy loves campers, by the way. I want to also say with Mary Steenbergen and Ted Danson on the show, first off, love Mary Steenbergen and everything she's ever been in. My favorite movie that she did at that point was a movie called time.

After time with her first husband, Malcolm.

McDowell, about to say Roddy McDowell. Yeah.

No, totally wrong McDowell.

That was somebody to me where I was. I remember once seeing him. He was ahead of me. Drive on to the paramount lot as I'm coming in. And he had Lexus, ls 401st or second year, this big Lexus sedan. It was very early on in Lexus, and I thought, look at him, Ted Danson. He's got it all. I've told him this. And I would look at him, be around him like, wow, I'm talking know, you're the voice. I'm talking to Ted Danson. I'm having a conversation with Ted Danson. And I would also think, I'm doing a scene with Ted Danson. I would say, but we always love.

Days when Ted comes because he's a joy. He's a joy to hear that term.

No, they're both. But Ted's my favorite actor I've ever worked with. I can put it that far. But even to this day, when I'm doing a scene with him, I can't believe I'm doing.

You're acting with Ted Danson.

Yeah, I'm acting with. I just, yeah, it was very exciting for me, and I don't lose that. I still have it today, the excitement of.

So when, by the way, that's a great book, the excitement of Ted dance. So when Larry goes to get his shoes and Ted says to him, and clearly these couples are just getting to know each other. They're not friends yet. Later on, we know what happens with Ted and Cheryl, but Ted says, and our listeners do. They do, of course.

So we're not spoiling at this point. If you're listening to the show and you've not watched, if not all, most of the curb episodes, then we're really mistaken.

The only thing we don't want to spoil is what we're shooting now. That's all.

Can you imagine someone listening to this show and never having watched curb? That would be you. And they're just sort of jumping on board and they say to themselves, I have to check out this show that they call.

We'll take all kinds.

Yes, I know.

Okay.

And Ted says to him, does this happen to you a lot? And again, this is setting up. This is Larry. Things happen to Larry in real life. Not Larry. Larry. Show Larry. Things have always happened to Larry that don't happen to anybody else.

Well, by the way, I guarantee this premise did not happen to him, but somebody lost his shoes in some way. There's a shoe problem, and he came up with the premise after the shoe problem happened.

And then there's the heaven thing.

Yeah. Ted saying heaven is just so him.

The other thing that struck me was.

Let me just say for our listeners, Ted Danson will describe things from gum to a door as heaven.

As heaven.

Yeah.

The other thing that struck me about it was when he says that Ted asks a lot of questions about personal hygiene. Now, personal hygiene is an issue with.

That's.

You see it throughout all the episodes. We see it in real life. He is a personal hygiene awareness person.

By the way, we were discussing, we were filming a scene and we got into a conversation about using pooh humor. I'll refer to it as that scatological humor. And he doesn't like it. I know Letterman doesn't like it, and I know I don't like it.

I don't like it.

And what do the three of us have in common? We're men. All right. But anyhow, I don't like it either.

No, it always feels low to me.

Oh, it's so low, so easy. But anyhow, he likes things that are pristine, clean, no poop. And I'm talking about language. He'll say, fuck. I'm not saying that. Which, by the way, when people do knockoffs of curb, especially in the early days, they seem to think what it is is a tv show you can swear on. That was the difference early on between us and any other show that was like us.

Well, because it's on HBO also, it's not network.

Right. But they would get shows on Showtime, wherever at that point was a cable show. That was the differentiation. It didn't happen for like, three, four years. But they thought, oh, we'll just swear. And we only swear, like, when it's necessary. You swear like nobody's.

However, I've always felt that people think that that's what they're responding to in my character. And I always.

It's your character.

I think what so many people respond to about Susie Green is her comfort with her anger, is what women respond to about her character. Not that she's saying, fuck you and fuck this. It's that she is so completely owning her anger, which is a very difficult thing for a lot of women. And that's what.

Own their anger.

Yeah.

Oh, wow.

Yeah.

Are most women angry?

Yeah.

Because of men?

No, I think most people are angry. I think that make us angry all the time. And I think women have a built in oppression there that they're angry about. And I think that Susie Green has given them permission to express their anger. It's not the language. And again, the language is secondary. It's the content of the show that is really the thing that's edgy to me. Not the language, it's the content.

Yes. It goes off the contents. But that's just a funny thing to point out that no one would know about Larry, that he finds that kind of humor.

Yeah.

And also bathroom habits, flossing habits. Those are of great concern to him.

Great concern.

Yeah.

Great concern. It's not that he won't use it, but he's not a person that sprinkles profanities throughout his conversation.

Right.

In general.

No.

By the way, I do way more than him.

And so do I. I've got a mouth that I say that crap all the time. No, he does not. He generally doesn't. He does in a big way where I'll tell him a story and he'll go, fuck them. You know what mean? But outside of that. But it's not part of his dialog.

So they go bowling and they have a great time. And then Larry and Cheryl are home discussing the double date, which I think it's a great, great scene. And it just tells so much about their relationship. And again, this is in the know. They're just finding, you know, the idea.

Oh, by the way, you also have to add, because it's part of the show, that Ted and Mary invite Cheryl and Larry to go see.

To go see Paul Simon in concert. In concert. Which Larry Hemson hawes over. Which I'm surprised in the beginning because I would think he.

No, Larry David. The real Larry David, which this is based on up until ten years ago. He didn't go.

He didn't go. But he loves Paul Simon.

I know. I know he. I know he does.

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Okay, we're back. The whole idea that you can't be friends with a hetero other hetero person, I think is a really interesting concept. Like, I have a very close friend who, you know, who, I was extremely close friends with him before he was married. So I'm grandfathered in as a hetero woman, and he's a hetero man. But once you're married, it's hard to make those relationships with.

They all pretty much have to be pre existing.

They have to be grandfathered, know, because.

If you're friends with somebody and your significant other knows that you're friends with them, and they actually are friends with them, but you try explaining a new person that you're having.

Very difficult. Very difficult. You could say to Sari, I'm having dinner with Susie. She's fine. Yeah, but if I'm a new person.

But by the way, I have numerous women friends who. Sarry is all good with me. But I remember one time I mentioned somebody and she wasn't mistaken, and Marla would do the same thing, and I.

Would do the same thing. And the mistake that Larry makes is he is way too effusive about how terrific.

By the way, clearly what we're seeing is a man with a crush, which I think is totally cool.

That's right.

Totally cool. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. And I don't think he was planning on having an affair with her. No, I know, but I think he was just tickled and couldn't get enough of her. And I know I felt that way about women to the point I knew, I'm not going to go for this. I'm married, I have a girlfriend. Whatever it is, I am not. But boy, oh, boy, I'm pretty taken with this.

But I do think that being in a long term relationship and having crushes and flirting somewhat are healthy. I think it's an enlivening thing.

When I first got married, I didn't know that it was okay to have.

You're not dead.

No, but. I know, but I purposely had blinders on for a number of years in terms of. I never opened up to that. And then the first crush that I had, I was like, oh, wow, this is cool. I haven't felt this way. How fun.

And there's a big difference between having a crush and acting out on a crush.

Well, it's not even ever a crush.

Then it's an affair. But he clearly has a crush on Mary. Clearly has a crush on Mary to the point where he becomes a different person. He loves shopping, he loves cooking. He know all of this kind of stuff. He said barney's, again, a long lost, dead Barney's, which we've used more than once. And he says it's heaven. That's how far he goes in his crush, that he says to Mary, this jacket is heaven.

It's the same jacket that she's, you know, try that with Cheryl. You know what, Cheryl?

Cheryl is so good. You see, in that scene where the subtlety of Cheryl's performance.

But I.

How annoyed she is.

I think like everyone on the show, except for me, everybody's gotten better.

What do you mean, except for you?

I was great from the get go.

Okay.

All right. So anyhow. But Cheryl has developed so beautifully in her character because her character is mostly subtle and mostly picks up the minutiae. And that's a hard gig.

But you saw it in that scene. You saw she was annoyed, but she wasn't really going there.

She found it curious.

She found it curious. But it's the beginning of really seeing their relationship develop. These things take time, especially when you're improvising and it's not written. You have to find it.

The great line when they go to lunches and he's talking about how he cooks, and she says, mary Steenbergen says, that's so sexy.

Yes.

And then her mother gets mad at her. But then her mother says, this is the classic exchange of the episode, which.

Is, your wife must be very proud of you. Yes.

No, she's not. Not at know.

I looked her up. Anne Haney, who played Mary's mother, I looked her up this morning, and this was the last thing she did. She died right after that.

Oh, I did not know that. She was a delight.

She died young. She was only six.

I heard from Sari that she was in Mrs. Doubtfire.

Yes, she was. She had a very nice career. But this was the last thing she did, was this episode of Curb was the last professional thing that she did. There's something about that.

Oh, no, it's really. We were lucky.

The other thing that struck me about when they're shopping in Barney's was Larry's vanity. He says to Mary's mother, did you like that? The sleeves were kind of puffy. And his vanity all about what he took that as.

He's trying to ingratiate himself. He was saying that, but I think that was false vanity. I don't think he really worried about the sleep. And by the way, I think he took that stuff home. Unless he thought he was seeing Mary. That stuff would all stay in the closet.

Oh, the stuff that he bought.

That's something he bought.

Attempts to return it.

First off, his reaction. And I do think it was a bit extreme to drinking Mary's mother's water.

It was.

But that being said, that is true. And he would have spit it out, just not that way. Because it was like, larry, you drank poison. That's what the thing was. But that's also the nuances of the know. But I love when he came home, he was going upstairs with the clothes and she said, I'm in.

Yeah.

And he has to walk in with all the clothes. And at first he just talks about how he loves shopping when shopping. Then he slowly adds that Mary was there with her mother. They had lunch. And it's becoming clear to Cheryl, like, what the fuck is all this?

He had a date. He went on a date with Mary, basically. And what if her mother wasn't there? She was.

And by the way, he got Ted saying heaven in the episode when Ted, the great timing of Mary, took the wrong bag and he gave his bag and they walk out in front and Ted is giving him subtle shit. He doesn't have to say anything.

And that is the beauty of how the outlines are. You know, he could have not had that scene.

Right.

It appears to be gratuitous in a sense, but of course it's not. Well, by the way, so much information, Ted sees that he has the same shirt jacket that Mary has. All the signs are there.

Well, yeah, it's a beautiful. But also in that scene, and I forgot what he's referring to, Ted says, heaven.

Yeah, it was something about when they're at the trunk. We're in the trunk.

Yeah, it's something about the yard. But I also want to say that quite often on the show, and I'm privy to this, Larry will whisper to me, the scene will never make it into the cut. Not going to use it, not using the scene. So there's a scene that's being filmed, and I know as I'm watching it, oh, this is never going to be in the show.

I'll bet you it was less in the beginning than.

That's most certainly because his radar is much stronger now. He might not have known that.

And also, these arcs are much more complicated now.

Yes, early on, there was.

This was a very simple. There was a couple of things going on.

Fan of the simple.

I like the simple, too. But there was the Barneys, which had the callback with the salesman. There was the bowling, which had the callback with the shoes. And there was the Paul Simon.

By the way, I want to talk about the salesman.

Okay.

He's played by a gentleman named Tim Bagley, who is one of the funniest men in town. I've known him since the mid 80s. He was a groundlings guy, and he was in the show because of my recommendation. That's the fun part. At that point of the show, being an executive producer, it's like, oh, he will beat the shit out of everybody. And back then, by the way, I could just say, this guy's right for it. And Larry would have me talk about the person, and he would agree.

There wasn't a whole audition.

I will explain how that changed. Well, there was. We auditioned people, but if I wanted somebody, he trusted me and he trusted Larry Charles. This is season two especially where, especially if Larry Charles and I doubled up on Larry, we could pretty much get anyone on the show. But Larry Charles and I took that with a great responsibility. We only wanted great people. It wasn't like getting your friends.

Well, let me ask you this. I just want to have a little sidebar, your honor. He was a groundlings guy.

Yes.

So I feel that generally, when you have improv actors, which groundlings is an improv group for people who don't know that, or stand up comics.

Yes.

Are way better at this than actors night and day. Now, occasionally you get a great actor, like a John Hamm, who's brilliant at improvising.

Right.

He's wonderful, but not always. There have been times that it's been difficult times.

That's the usual.

Not Ted. Ted's fantastic.

Ted is wonderful. But Ted at first was very uncomfortable with it. He would talk to me about it. Now what do I do? How is this going on? And I'll get to more of that later. But Ted was a natural. He just didn't realize he was a natural.

But in general, you agree with, oh.

By the way, whenever we hire straight ahead actors, there's a large chance they're going to be flat or they're not going to understand how the work is.

Done because they're used to having scripts.

Yeah, there was an actor, and I'll say it now because I don't want to talk about it when we talk about the episode, very famous actor who was on curb, and he was very broad. I mean, the tone of his performance was so broad, I couldn't figure it out. Now, this actor brought with him his family to set, and his children were telling me how much they love curb your enthusiasts.

So he was doing it for them.

But he'd never seen the show. And he was acting in a style that he thought comedy shows were in the style of.

And some are, but not.

It was confusing. Larry Charles, Larry David, and myself, after every take, were, like, completely confused because he's a great actor. And then once I figured it, I told them, and they're like, oh, yeah. So that gave Larry Charles an idea, an idea of how to approach it. And he was successful in it because he was better. Years later, I run into this actor and I say, I don't know if you remember me, Kirby. Yeah. Your boss doesn't like other people being funny because he didn't understand comedy. And he thought. Because he thought that was comedy. And by the way, a lot of actors do what they think is comedy. Like, you watch sitcoms that are popular with people watching it who think that's funny. I should laugh at that. I should like that.

Well, and they're all actors indicate it.

But they're all actors on that show acting in a way that they think is funny with usually bad material.

Right.

So from all angles, nothing's funny. And in this case, I think we're doing something funny, and this person just did not get it.

Well, the same person I ran into, I remember, on Madison Avenue, and I again introduced myself, and I hadn't been there that day. And he said to me, I don't think your boss likes me. And I said, why? And he said, because he didn't send me a gift after I did the.

Episode to a whole other level.

We have rap gifts after a whole season, but who sends a gift after an episode, right? I've never heard of that point.

It was like, you do the gig, you go home. And by the way, if there's a gift sent to you at the end of the season, that's lovely. Great. I just did a show called never have I ever for Netflix, and when I wrapped, nobody gave me anything. But about a month or so later, I got a nice gift. It was actually sneakers that I'll never wear, and they said, never have I ever on the back. But I've got them in the club. Memento, by the way, contact me on my instagram. I check sometimes and say, you want them, by the way, here's the thing. They're size 14.

What size are you?

14.

Okay.

No, I'm not a size eleven, and they gave me 14, so they're size 14.

Oh, I might want those.

Seriously?

Yeah. I'll find out.

All right. I'm good with that.

We'll be right back. Stay tuned.

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Okay, we're back. So let's go back because my next note was the Barney salesman.

Yeah, that's terrific. He knows how to do it. And also I want to point out.

And he knows how to build the anger, which is another thing that people don't understand.

Okay. But he's not angry yet. At this point. He's helping Larry. He's confused. He's doing a favor for Larry. Usually you have to order them ahead of time. That will bring up in a minute. And I have something very interesting to point. No, it has to be when in the show it happens, okay? Because it's.

I didn't know we had that rule, but that's fine. No, there's not that.

By the way, I have my rules. You have your rules. You want to talk about the ending? Up top. I don't care.

So he buys because his shoes had been given to somebody else in the bowling alley. Larry is in Barney's with Mary and her mother, and he buys another pair of these shoes, but he has to order them. They're not in stock. He has to special order them.

But then he gets a call that the fella who stole his shoes is at the bowling alley.

Right?

Larry rushes to the bowling alley. He gets told, that's him. And he goes up and he says to the guy, hey, nice. He plays it slowly. Nice shoes, by the way. This is played by the guy who stole the shoes is Joe Liss, another person I shoehorned in. Joe Liss is one of the greatest improvisers that I've ever worked with, ever watched, I'd say him, de Pasquayzi and Dan Catalinetta. In terms of my time at second.

City, here's what I think about Joe List, why I think he was so good, because he didn't immediately go into this big argument thing.

Well, by the way, that's the point. The key to that whole exchange is what Joe improvised. And I know he improvised this because I know when it was written, it was like he didn't say this. So Joe says, really? Your shoes? Well, he gave them to me. And I goes, yeah, but you took my shoes. And he kept saying two words. Well, that's weird. Yeah, that's weird. And everything that he said was weird. Larry shot down with logic. No, it's not weird that he gave you the shoes. It's weird that you took the shoes. But it goes over and it doesn't build, which is unusual for an altercation. It's just. That's weird. Larry saying it. That's weird. And it was, to me, it was a thing of beauty. That's my favorite scene in the episode, unequivocally, in terms of improvised scenes, what I want to see and what I hope is going to be there, that was classic and beautiful, and I loved it. And it made me think, oh, maybe we can do some damage here if we have more stuff like that. Yeah. So God bless Joe list. Still alive. Because normally you say, God bless Joe list.

Did Joe pass? No, he did not pass.

So he gets the shoes back. He takes them to the shoemaker to have them fumigated.

Yes.

Which, of course, you have to do that. And it's very.

By the way, I want to add this. Here's another little. And we're coming to what I was going to say earlier. The shoe fella, cobbler guy. Yeah, the shoemaker. I said, I recognize you. What have I seen you in? He seemed familiar. He was in planet apes.

Oh, really?

Yes. He was like the young boy ape guy who helped them leave. And he's a boy in the movie, even an ape boy chimpanzee.

You recognized him, and he was in the ape costume.

Yes, I did. Yes, I did. And he was great. And I said, I was having actually a garage sale. I'm on a show having a garage sale. And he came to the garage sale, and he did other things that I was enamored with that I found out, but I couldn't be more enamored with than.

And I believe we actually made a Roddy McDowell reference earlier.

You did in the episode.

No, you made a reference just in this podcast. What'd I say to Roddy McDowell? Because you were talking about Malcolm McDowell and Roddy McDowell was planning amazing.

I knew it. That's, by the way, not as much anymore, because you don't meet people like that. But 20 some OD years ago.

Yeah, it was different Hollywood.

There were still people from that era.

Of Hollywood, from old Hollywood.

Yeah. That were still.

What I liked about that scene is I like that there was no explanation. There wasn't. Let's go to the shoemaker.

It was obvious.

Yeah, exactly. And I love that. I love the lack of exposition.

Now comes the part I was going to talk about, okay. And that is Larry's on the street, walking along in his campers, because he puts them, that's why. Also part of the scene, not only getting them cleaned, but putting them on.

So that when he runs into the.

Shoe guy, Tim Bagley, and I don't think he had a name, shoe guy. And I think a momentous moment happened that people don't know about. I think this was the first scene ever where Larry laughed at the other performer. Now he's done that. You know how I know? You watch it again, you can hear the beginnings, his lead into his laugh. And then the next time when he says, shame on you, or what? Anyhow, the next time you hear the first laugh as his cut. And I know this was the first time that I noticed him laughing as if he.

Something's funny, he laughed.

No, it's not a matter of that. When he sees someone doing something that he created, and he knows it's silly and absurd and hysterical, he finds that so damn funny. Like he can't get enough of that. So he laughs uncontrollably. And it's not an ego thing. It's just like never in my wildest imagination did I think it would come to this moment. And so that to me, you don't see that on screen. But I think if you watch the shows, a lot of times we cut away from Larry, right, when he laughs or is about to laugh.

His laughter, for me, as a performer, his laughter is joyous. And making him laugh is one of the great joys of my life.

But I will say this, and this is just something when you and I are in a scene with him and he laughs, we don't break.

No. By the way, we did. We'll talk about that when that episode comes up.

Yes. And how could I help myself? But anyhow, I think that moment is the first time. It's more of a moment for us. But know that Larry David laughs a lot.

And this was actually because it's all the beginning. Things are being laid out. He has had since then so many altercations with salespeople.

Oh, my know.

Yes, so many.

And by the way, a lot of them involve him returning something.

Returning.

So these things funnier than anyone who's funny returning something.

Right. And they have the altercation. Yes.

And by the way, he makes that spinning noise that a little kid makes before he. Yeah, I don't know what that's called, but it's a kid.

It's a Bronx cheer.

A Bronx cheer and walks off, which also was very funny. Tim was hysterical.

Yeah, it was very funny. And then after that, they're home. And I love this piece right here. When they're saying they're waiting for the call from Ted and Mary about going to the concert and it's not happening. And they're sitting there just like pathetic, the two of them waiting. And Larry says, at least lie to.

You know, call us and lie. I want to sit here like schmucks.

Yeah.

A lie is a gesture. It's a courtesy. It's a little respect.

I love that so much because that's his. Know that at least if you're lying, you're making an effort.

By the way, that's the New Yorkers. You know where you're standing with a New Yorker, a lot of people can't stand New Yorkers. I'm from Chicago and I currently live in, I. And I've lived in New York.

You've lived in New York a lot.

Yeah. And I have never been down from the attitude of the New York people. Now I want to talk about that same scene and two things for me that I found fascinating. Number one, this is Larry David, who created Seinfeld. He's sitting in the living room with his wife and they're listening on a.

Right, right.

That struck me as funny. Secondly, when Cheryl.

Still listening to Simon. Yes. Yeah.

Still crazy after all these years, which I know that song means a lot to Larry. It means a lot to me, too. And probably you, probably everyone listening. And this is my Larry David is my friend hilarious moment. He is singing along to the lyrics in a CD sleeve, something.

Oh, yeah.

Now my feeling is he didn't know at that point that cds had sleeves. He really had never used a CD before. And the idea that he's looking at the lyrics and singing along, crazy.

Well, because he just discovered it.

Yeah.

Well, the character and him at the same time.

Really. You can do this?

Oh, they got the word.

I could see that. And that's where he went with that. So for me, I love the lying thing that it's. But to me also in watching these, I'm like, that is unbelievable. And I'm glad I didn't say anything because I would have said on the set, why is he listening to a boombox? Why can't we just pretend they're speakers? Well, again, I know.

Very low budget.

Yeah.

So, all right. The lying is a gesture. They're waiting, waiting. And then, of course, they find out that it was the wrong night.

Right.

And then he's back at Barney's returning the shirt, which he says is not. He's not returning the shirt. It's a zipper problem.

Yeah, I know. Which he got away with, by the way. It's so funny to funny, but I would have done the same thing or something.

Poor Cheryl. I have a note here. Poor Cheryl. Yeah, I mean, Cheryl was just the long suffering Cheryl in this, and this was the beginning of that. And of course, the real Cheryl Hines is not long suffering. No, the real Cheryl Hines.

Call it out right away.

Yeah, the real Cheryl Hines would have laughed in his face at everything he's done. She's very different than the character she plays.

Very much so, as a matter of fact. Cheryl Hines is known on our set as being one of the first people who will do whatever stupid thing I dare them to do.

That's correct.

She is.

Who's the person who's known not to do the stupid?

You. Susie Esman, who is my dearest friend, will not go along with any of my nonsense. And that is to this day.

Occasionally.

No, no, you have. Occasionally, there have been a few blue.

But Cheryl is a very different character. Well, we all are very different.

She ever did. We were filming in a hospital and she got on know when you make the way people make, Dr. Johnson. And she did, and I dared her to, and she did it. Dr. Cock on fire. Dr. Cock on fire. There's a call for you.

She did it, by the way, repeated that line for many, many episodes during shooting for many, many years. But in this, you really see what Cheryl has to deal with. Being married to him, it's a nightmare.

Do you find that I talk a lot about technical things that I notice because the Paul Simon concert, when he's there along with the grandmother, and it's funny that they're alone and it's Larry's alone. I don't understand the reason why Cheryl's not there.

He said cousins came in from is.

I don't know what the story is with that, unless he wanted to be alone with Mary, which maybe something was cut out that I don't remember. But what I noticed from that is the sound design. The sound design for the singing and the way the people are applauding was such a bizarre concoction.

See, I don't notice these.

Takes me right out of it. It's like, that's a concert in space. I've never heard anything like that.

And so then Larry ends up at the concert with Mary's mother, who ends up falling asleep on his shoulder, which.

I believe and I love. And that's sweet.

It's a sweet, very sweet. Very, very sweet and pathetic at the same time.

My life.

That's the episode.

Well, as per usual, I very much.

Enjoyed spending time with you as I did you, darling. And we'll do it again because we have a lot more to go.

And we're working Monday together. Yes, we are filming.

Yes, we are.

Yeah.

And just so people know, and we've said it before, we are in the middle of shooting, as we're doing this shooting. Season twelve.

Season twelve.

So for us to go back and see all these beginnings, I'm loving it. It's so much fun to watch.

I could vomit every time I watch an episode. Mostly because of me, but for a myriad of reasons why. First off, I don't enjoy watching myself. It's very uncomfortable.

Okay, but are you enjoying watching the episode?

No.

I am, because I was there.

But here's the thing. I was there when we filmed it. I was there when we were working on the cuts. I don't like going back. I just don't. I can't stand it. For example, I've got this movie, Babylon, that I'm in. Jamie Chiselle directed it. Margot Robbie, Brad Pitt.

I'll never see watch. The only thing I watch that I'm in is Kirb because it tickles me and I enjoy it so much, and the character makes me laugh.

Hold on. I agree with you. Even though I've seen cuts of it before. I'll watch it when it airs. That's the first time. And I'm creatively involved more than just being an actor.

But let me explain to the audience what's so difficult for us and for all actors and even crew members, when you're watching, we go back and we watch. You're like, oh, that's the day that such and such happened. And that's the day that I got sick from the lunch. And that's the different things. So now going back and seeing these things 22 years later, it's delightful to me because I'm not thinking about, by.

The way, I told you, I can remember everywhere I was sitting.

Yeah. I don't.

The times and where crest service was located. Isn't that funny? I know where every crest service was located on every shoot. And most of the time, I remember what I ate.

And we'll see you next time.

We will next time at that moment. And we'll see you next time on the adventures of Jeff and Susie. The history of curb your enthusiasm, starring Susie and Jeff, not Jeff and Susie. You go before me.

Okay, fine.

All right. Thank you, everybody. Talk to you soon.

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