Previously on The Loop in Russia, where do you get that shirt? I made this one. I asked my dear friend for one and he said it'd be easier if you just made one than me having to go to the post office and ship.

You want to be my little girl? I wish I would ask my man for my fucking Summertown, his birthday, what I look like, what I look like. I might as well go up in the church smack to remember I'm a guy from the Leupen ratio to say what media production.

That was pretty good.

Yeah, without this Lupe fiasco, and I'm struggling to find the activity that I'm doing right now. Yo, what up? This is a to five nine and I got a new headset.

And this is Tom Frank. I'm just a regular dude. And you're listening to the Leupen Roy show, a weekly podcast covering a range of topics and guests from music and poetry to comedy and politics. If you like the show, make sure to hit subscribe and leave us a review on our podcast. We really appreciate it. And guys, you can now leave us a voicemail at seven 00 seven two seven six six two six one. Maybe if it's interesting, it'll find its way onto this podcast affiliate.

Tander, even if it's not interesting, you're going to put it up anyway just for fanservice. Hey, I'm an advocate of the fan, I'm not mad. I think the fans appreciate that so much. So we got a lot of positive feedback on the big birthday show last week.

I mean, why wouldn't you as a celebration of life all the years?

It was awesome episode, to say the least. Right. You look like an air traffic controller and your new headphone microphone snap out like a like a real gamer gamer.

Like I'm thinking more like the guy brings in the air from the airplane now. But look, I want to thank our man for that birthday celebration was great. So thanks to you guys. Thanks to my mom, my sisters. Thank you, Tom. Thank you for putting that together, man.

Miss Whitehead here, Tony Baker, Kaitlyn Ellis, if you if you haven't heard the birthday episode, make sure you go check it out.

Fans, boy victimiser. Oh, exactly. Yeah, that's what we're going to have pick back. We just we just scrape to scrape the surface, which is a lot to go there.

He's super dope. Yeah. Lou, I got to start with this. Your man, your man, his wife got arrested in my backyard.

Whosay man. What are you talking about?

Your good friend Choco's wife. Yeah. Arrested.

Yeah, I thought she was talking about airport. I thought you saw my one of my actual homies. I was like, what? I wouldn't talking about me too.

I thought he was saying El Chapo was one of you. Oh but you mean you mean my. Oh no, no. You meant to say you meant to say my dream guy is what you meant to say.

Oh is your dream guy my dream guy. You look gorgeous. Have you seen his wife though.

I'm not commenting on his wife. I'm not. I'm not commenting on it. You're trying to die, are you? From the bottom. He can touch you.

I'm just making. I didn't even know I had to. I didn't even know he had a white wife.

He had a wife and she got arrested a for it. Come on. Presentence. He was looking at her.

Know, I just said there was a New York Times article and I happened to have it up on my screen. Right now you just happen to have his wife happened to be up on your screen. It just happened to be up on my screen. Yeah. The New York Times. You know, look look, I don't think that we should talk about this. This is unsafe territory, you know what I'm saying? Like, we can't be commenting.

I'm not talking about it.

Yeah, as a matter of fact, I'm done. Let's go to commercial. I never was in the conversation, I was just over here. Yeah, I got my headset, I got my microphone, lean back. Where'd you get this headset you're so proud of? I would. What do you order things you order from Amazon, look at times like I'm happy, rice looks the smile, obviously the smile.

Sometimes I go to Sweetwater. You've got a hugely water headset's dotcom, is that what you expect with the headset's dotcom?

No, I would never go to hit its dotcom if I was a thing that only Saku.

So Sweetwaters, what I go to. Yes, Sweetwater. No, I'm an Amazon guy. OK, well, Sweetwater, their focus.

I'm not giving Sweetwater Command. I'm done giving out things for free. I just want to go into a whole tirade about Sweetwater. But I'm not. I'm a wait and they pay us.

Yeah, but Amazon and Amazon don't count on it. I don't want to shout them out either.

Amazon has banned foreign athletes. You know, they got it. They got they making more money than everybody.

They are making a lot of money. See, that's the downside of a headset, right? Rice is you can't hide when you Yanin or bourbon. I've heard you got like three times, and if you weren't having the headset on, I wouldn't hurt, you would be able to go like. Do one of those, but when it hits, there is no escape, no escape at all. Nobody is down here when it comes out because time is going ahead.

And I might not you know, Janet Jackson. I also think when the headset. So you have a hands free and that's kind of one of the first problems when she was at her greatest. Yeah, but she was one of the first to do that and then hands up.

But remember, but there's no escape. That's the that's the only downfall. Like we had a barber do some. I mean, maybe you can hold it and move it away, but it's going to make a noise. But most performers who dance. Significantly in their concert, they now wear this. I mean, I got no choice, right? Right. You have you ever done a dance routine at your concerts? All the time. Yeah, they choreographed dance routine.

Yeah.

I bust the Funky Mood Tabernacle. How do you guys where the inner ear, the inner monitors, when you perform, where those two. Yeah, what else drive you crazy? Well, I said, I don't know, I tried one one time and I didn't like. Well, I didn't like it. It went way into my ear. You know, like I like that, you know, like the type of penetration things way into my ear, like touching my.

The back of my head, when doing all that would reassure you using your ears, like, was it something else, like being a little dramatic that I might be a little dramatic?

They keep you from going deaf. They do. Yeah.

And they also keep a consistent sound. They plug your ears, they plug them lot, the sound can get you up, and that way, no matter what type of room you in, where you're performing, whether some like some of the bass, our system are like a big ass stadium. It's the same mix. So it keeps it actually keep you from not going deaf for sure. But that's a different thing. It actually keeps you keep you from blowing out your vocals.

Hmm. I didn't know that. You know, I've been known to blow out my vocals. Yeah, it keeps you have. Oh, yeah. Like right now, right, like you when like it's like you when like if we were smart, if we were smart, we would have been wearing headphones on stage this whole time, like from the beginning or have an entire year the whole time.

But because we didn't know no better. I'm sure there's plenty of people who have many sore throat nights after shows trying to scream over some of their monitors or some bad speakers in the clip.

It was bad manners. I used to have to get a steroid shot every every time I want to film. Real Kelly, was that bad? No, I just knew a doctor and feeling like you just going to get steroids, I had nothing to do with this old, you know, that's all it was.

I'm telling you. I'm telling you to bring your voice right. Get it done. Steroids. Steroids. I do. Where does this steroid Jack go?

Why don't you bomb again in your boots and it fixes your throat immediately fixes your vocal cords, strained vocal cord.

I was getting steroid whenever I had to get abscesses in my throat and the doc would give me steroids, like my throat would just fill up.

And I had like concerts or whatever, and the doc would just hit me with the steroids and it would take a little time for it to wear off.

But but by the time the time is showtime, you're ready to go.

You know, I mean, I guess if you're performing night after night after night after night, you got to have something.

You go from straight up laryngitis to be good as new. Magical. Hmm, I talk every day and I have never had a steroid from my locals, but you don't rap. I don't right now. Yeah, every day. Every day now yet. The new record coming out soon, it's coming out saying, oh, so you have been working on your album. Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

I'm just using you guys to help me promote the album years in advance. Well, I'm excited about your album. Are you gonna say that? Yes, I am. Yes, I am. I'm very excited about your album. I love what a lot of it's going a lot of different directions.

I haven't quite figured out the central theme just yet.

Yeah, we have. We don't all come together on it. Have you figured out how are we getting paid though? Have you figured that out? Because it is week twice. What does this 29 is getting out of hand?

I think I'm going to go back to get some sponsors starting an episode to episode 29.

And Lupe and I are still rich, poor, rich. So how do we get out? So I get out of that. We have some exciting things, though.

I can't say him yet, but we have some new shows in the works that are going to join the network band. But there's some there's some very exciting things coming out slowly.

They want to join us now where they don't have to pay.

That's right. It's a very popular network.

I got some that I want to say to the fans, OK. I can't remember what episode that was when we were reading. I think you played like a fan. Was it like a omeish to me, Elu? Oh, yeah, this is a jingle for the rest of the show. That was the very last show. No, he hit me. He hit me on the dance.

You know, like life is just this is a pandemic. Life is just like a piece.

So he hit me on the B.M. and he was like, I'm sorry, sorry to offend you guys. Like, he thought that we were serious. Listen, guys, don't take me and Lou seriously.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Guys, Royce is always serious. Don't let him know. Think I'm not.

I'm I'm the one who jokes. Royce is the bad cop in this situation. I'm good cop. Royce meant every word.

And he said fans, we speak fluent, fluent sarcasm in facetiousness.

We had never serious. We would never, ever, ever say anything that will hurt your feelings. I promise you. All right. And shout shout out my man who sent that. Thank you very much for that. We appreciate you. Oh, he must. He was great.

He wants to send you some deep, like, heartfelt, broken hearted teardrop emojis.

He just thought we was trying to play him and we would never do that. OK, yeah. We to try to play you. I know him. Yeah. Actually that's why he actually was like that.

A podcast loopier. Yeah. He'll he'll want to do that. He, he.

I'm just kidding. I'm just. I'm just kidding. I was just saying doing it now. Loopier doing it right.

You're right. You listen now point proven Roy's point proven this and fans of me and Royce enemies of time and please don't please don't say enemies of time. Please, please, please.

We are not accepting demos. OK, so I don't want Tom to get you to think that this is just a record label. I like said, if you can't say yes, I'm saying one verse, make it about sixteen bars. Do your best when trying to hit note three minutes you freestyle in and wait wait here for that. So just get it in 16 bars you know. OK, they'll send us your whole album.

We might not be for that. We might start our own verses here. I mean, fans remember that. Yeah, I'm not doing it, the Anvers fans, I'm not a fan sports fan. You could be the next host of American Idol.

You can judge these people. Are you wearing Under Armour? I am. They better send us a check. Under Armour.

Although I got my I got my Libération. I wear that every day.

You know, I'm going to armor under the loop and. Sure. You know what I'm on? I'm on this shot that Lupe Fiasco Dotcom. I got to get groceries. Yeah.

I still don't got one on my just buy one.

Oh, I was supposed to make you one. That's ok. I don't worry about. Wow. No, no, no. Let me write it down. So write down.

Oh that was last episode.

That was last episode. Yeah. Make Rice a shirt. You got to write that down.

Yo I got, I got promised to work. Yeah.

I want to send some get well soon to Tiger Woods.

Yes. As of today. Had a real bad car accident so I just want to send him some get Wilson in L.A. I believe in Cal ionophores L.A. but in Cali.

So scaley broke both his legs.

And is it. I don't think he's any he's not life threatening situation, but still need your car if you see if I seem to feel that a car accident was bad.

Tiger Woods. Tiger Woods. I didn't see the footage. I read an article. Yeah, I seen the footage. It was bad cars. I had to get him out of the jaws of life.

So get well, some tiger. He was in surgery.

I think his Tom-Tom, you just read out what it was. He broke it broke both his legs or something like that.

Broke both of his legs. Yeah. And he was in surgery. Yeah. So it was on Tiger prayers go out.

Oh, Tiger Woods. We think of Tiger Woods. I like Tiger. I like that he's had a bit up and down career. I'm not a huge golfer, but.

I am not either. I actually can't stand watching golf on TV. I don't go that far. Like, how are you going to see Tom start this? And, you know, we got fans who are probably professional golfers. Mean you can't just play.

I got nothing against being a professional golfer. I just find watching it on. And this is not the fault of the golfer. This might be the fault of how we broadcast golf. I find it to be very boring.

Well, I mean, sometimes you got to lower your expectations, Tom.

Every everything can be balloons and clown shirts, you know, having sex with each other.

A secret birthday parties are Burger King. You know, you just it ain't all that dumb. Sometimes it's just nice, meditative, you know, silence and, you know. I don't remember that episode meditative. You don't remember the the Burger King? Not really.

And the Ronald McDonald in a fist fistfight on my shirt.

A fist fight doesn't. Right. And doesn't ring a bell. Not a fist fight, Tommy. I think you got to listen to these episodes, right? Oh, I'm just kidding. I'm just messing with you.

I think I'm think I'm messing with you because I didn't get my shirt yet. Now, do you want do you want a baby shower or do you want maybe I'll just create your own brand for you. Oh, got straight to. I want my wavy hair. Yeah, get him a wavy Shannon. I'll give you a visit. I wrote it down on my iPad and my iPad right here. Give me a quick push to start making those.

Don't start this. Don't don't have me send somebody to your house to kick. Bush said don't go ahead.

But you do realize next week I will be wearing a kick bush shirt. I am OK or house, you know, happy since about your house, man.

You're you got you got the Sinaloa cartel all in your backyard. They need to get the Allensworth cartel all up in the area as well.

You want me to. You want me to send somebody to your house?

Tom, you're listening to the loop and show with Lupe Fiasco voice the five nine and Tom Frank. OK, Lupe Fiasco.

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Hey, what's that painting behind it? None of your business. How about that? How about you?

My it's right in the crime scene. It's my business. Listen, it wasn't even I don't even want you in my house.

Like, I don't want to do this visual thing. I've never wanted to do this.

I just want to do all sound. So you stay out of my house.

I want to know what that is about, what you want to know.

Listen to me. Send people to your house. You won't listen to people to yell. Some people say, yes, yes. I just want to let you know, man, I didn't touch not Nann piece of that cake. Why not? I don't know, man, when I put the candle in it, it was kind of crunchy and I was like, it's supposed to be solved. I don't know what was going on. So it's just been sitting in my refrigerator till there's been in there for you.

Well, I'm glad you said okay. They just reminded me I want to get some cake.

The longer you keep it in the refrigerator, the harder it's going to get. Oh, that cake is finished. I'm just keeping it in there for posterity sake, eventually for posterity in the trash. It will be thrown in the garbage in days.

I would do something with it, hang it up as a piece of artwork in the back there and get OK, you know what?

No, I just ordered a cake.

I just ordered a cake. All right. We're going to dive into something now that that it's time. It's time to take a hard right turn.

I want to order some cake. Oh, Tom, hold on. OK. OK, OK, well, you're going to order cake right now. I don't know how he did that. He did it with such expediency and speed. I'm interested. I want I want the luxuries that he possesses anyway. I will be diving in, will be doing. All right, we're diving in here. We have an interesting guest today, a friend of Royce's, I believe.

Yeah, Mr. Mojada is the founder of Black Guns Matter, which advocates for basic firearm safety for hoods across America.

This is what we know right now. Is this happening? Hello? We don't. Oh, we're going to get deep right back. I'll be right back. We're going to go get a hammer. So, so easy.

So Samaj is a hip hop artist. Turn the Second Amendment activist from North Philly. I'm going to let him on the show right now.

My welcome, sir. Peace, peace, shalom, what's going on a loop? I think a loop went to go get some good.

We got him excited about the subject and he just up and left and I don't know where he went. I was in the middle of introducing myself.

I got some people around. You do? Yeah. I got a VP now right here. A health care gig. Oh, this is my Valentine's Day prayer.

Whoa.

But this is actually a conversion kit. So you could take this out and then this is just a drum, but you could just like convert it to like it's almost like it turns a handgun into like a short little SVR type situation.

So you can shoot it like a you can shoot it like a like a rifle. You it's it's a very convenient way of getting around NFA items when any time you get a rifle, there's a short barrel long, shorter than 16 inches, you got to pay the government extra money and wait for them. They're like, OK, you. Oh, so that way a lot of people do like R pistols, so technically it's still a pistol, so they don't have to deal with that and they item in that tax and all that other goofy shit.

You mean surmisal.

Let's take a step back then. You you're a you're a fellow guy, right? Yeah. First of all, I appreciate that. I'm from I'm from Pennsylvania as well. State state. I'm from State College, Pennsylvania. OK, I will pay what Penn State is now.

I had to choose not to say. Well, I had to choose growing up.

Am I a Philly guy or am I my Pittsburgh guy? No.

Look, if you say if you have any other part of Pennsylvania, you I mean, you can say Philly guy and they won't know. Maybe, maybe Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. You choose Philly, Philly. They don't know. And they're going to be like, what. What you from Pennsylvania now wait a minute.

Now, my wife and her entire family is from Philly. So now I have become more and more of a Philly guy.

Oh, you absolutely like it ain't no Dallas Cowboy shit happening at all in your house. Not at all.

Not at all. Because you Philadelphia people are crazy about your sports language. Oh, yes. I was telling I was telling like one of my home girls said she she dated this guy and he was like, look, even if we don't date anymore, just never date a girl from Philly, like, literally told her that and was like and she was like, what was that about? And I was like, nah, nah. He he's he's he's right.

Like, this is no, it's like it's not even this is something it's the birthplace of slavery in America. It's the birthplace of America. So it's a certain level of it's a great I mean, yo yo, get it. Any hood has that certain level of grey cloud if certain issues haven't been addressed. But Philly for sure, it's. Oh, no, man. It's like it's like it's artistic and it's blue collar and it's a lot of money here, but it's like a really poor big city, like all at the same time, you know.

I mean I mean, it's the same the perfect way.

Yeah, but Philly is the cheese steaks, I think.

I don't know what to pull out from my side. I mean, you don't have no guns. I don't. Why, what's wrong? I've just never had one ever. Is it is it like I just don't rock with it or just never thought of it? I don't think I've ever thought of it, to be honest with you. You never been robbed. I have been robbed before, have you? Yeah, tell us that story in my old house.

I was working, it was late at night one night, and I heard something in the garage and I ran down out there. And by the time I got out there, all I could see was somebody running. And I didn't even know what to do.

But it's just, you know, that's not a right. You got stuff stolen. I got stuff stolen. That's a good point. That's a good point. I thought, oh, no, you're right. You're right. You're right. So, no, I've never been officially robbed. And maybe that is my thought process.

Have you ever have you ever been to, like, to the gun range?

I have not. Have you ever shot again? I have not. Oh, man, you guys shoot guns. I mean, so so wait, so now I'm a person that never tells anybody they have to have a gun if they don't want one.

Right.

Because, you know, you might know your temperament and you might just not be sharing it with anybody else, if you like Noma's shoot the shit out of somebody like Cut Me Off by my Instagram name is Tom, and I typically am on quite a bit.

But Tom, you get upset, you get upset, you get road rage.

Oh, I get road rage. You don't. Oh, yeah. Well, I got to I got to control myself with my kids in the car.

Somebody somebody cut me off and blew at me today and then and I had to hammer on me as always. So I'm driving and I never drive. And I just we just so happen to be at the like with each other. And I just didn't even look over there because I didn't even want to put myself I didn't even want to put them in the position that they didn't know that they were in. Yup. I was just sitting there just surrounded by shit.

And as a gun owner, your first for me at least what we teach in our classes is your first reaction is like, oh, I'm sorry, excuse me. It's my fault. My bad, I'm out, you know what I mean? At any given moment, like, it's just it's just the rounds don't it's like trying to put toothpaste back in the tube. It don't go back. So they come out, they got a case and potential jail time and death and trauma associated with it.

You know me. So but, Tom, if you if you twist is like now my spazzed don't get a gun. However, if you can meet it at with the thought process of like no one's coming to save you, like the police don't give a fuck like they have no obligation to protect you at all. Do you really want to outsource your security to them? You know, I mean or, you know, every time you go outside with a firearm or return ticket, right.

Because, you know, I mean, like, I keep trying to get around to give them to people, you know, you are pretty much going outside all wings and a prayer and depending on the kindness of strangers, you know, I mean, so, like, I would just try see if you like it, try different firearms out, you know? I mean, don't be like that. You ain't got to be like a super like gun.

Dude, I'm not a gun, dude. I'm a freedom dude, you know, I'm saying.

So let me ask you this. Let me ask you this.

So you're advocating for people to have a gun, and I'm not opposed.

I don't know exactly where I sit on this topic, but I would say this, right?

If you look across, gun violence in the U.S. is higher than almost any other country in the world.

True and not true, as in all things as context.

But my my point was, you know, we are one of, what, three countries that actually carrying a gun is legal at this point. And yet we probably have one of the highest percentages of gun violence. I mean, what do you say to the countries that say if we eliminate guns, that the threat of gun violence obviously significantly lowers?

Well, they're wrong. They're wrong and right at the same time, they do this thing with stats. Right? So let's say on average, they'll say this thing like we have the most. First, you got to look at the term gun violence. Right off the top is a misnomer. Violence is violence. So so, Pete, Tom goes to the grocery store. Tom's on edge. Somebody cuts him off and their car. Tom stabs them with a butter knife.

Do you call that knife violence by not you don't the phrase don't even fucking exist is like almost like why are we even calling it violence is violence? No, that's the first misnomer. Right. Then when you go down the rabbit hole of that of that, what do you call it? Like context, you go, OK, well, how many deaths? Gun violence, deaths are there annually. Right. And the people that's listening. Right. Gun violence, air quotes on average is about 30000 deaths that are associated with firearms annually in America.

What they don't tell you is 60 percent of those are suicides. Sixty percent. So and then let's let's go with the remaining 40 percent, right, let's say if Tom decided to get a gun. Looping on May three, please leave me out of time. Please, we've been implicated into crimes.

No, thank you, Marsh. And to his foolishness. So everybody's out and we all do the right thing. We use our firearms to defend life, right?

No, not Luppi Myers, please.

Let's have a listen. Listen, man. No, please, please. I'm not damaged to fire much. I'm not. No, you're good. You're good here. I'm not there. Loopier is at home. No, I don't know.

You didn't even come outside. You don't even count in percentage. So that's a good. Royce looks the person that honked him down and the guy tries to shoot him and Royce uses his firearm in the self-defense of shooting clearly to protect life. Tom uses the firearm to clearly protect life. Right. Clearly, those were bad guys with bad intentions. And fortunately, your training, you stopped the threat. Everybody stopped the threat. Clearly, the bad guy that those people will still be counted as gun violence.

So they play this weird stat game where it's like, oh, yeah, it's all of this death and you ignore it. First of all, I don't care what game you win to ignore 60 percent of anything in any game, you're clearly not telling the whole truth. Like 60 percent is a large number. Right.

So when people say that I empathize because I know that they are moving from a place of they've been manipulated by, you know, like corporate media or whatever to make them. I mean, it's like, damn, when you hear 30000 people a year, you hear that number and you're like, that's way too much. We got to do something about that. But but it's almost like tricking people to, like, kill the flies and leave the garbage, you know, I'm saying.

And so that's what I would share with those people and then try to also find out where is their trauma, like people that generally are anti-gun. I'm not saying anybody in this room is anti-gun. Right. Most people aren't really anti-gun. They say they're anti-gun, but they not really. But the few people that are really anti-gun, I try to figure out or just don't like guns or whatever, it's either the misinformation or where their trauma is, you know, I mean, they had a family member that the little one got access to a firearm and killed themselves or some idiot decided to shoot dude across the street because, you know, he like his his sneakers, he wanted them or whatever.

So I try to find out what a trauma is in their life first and come from a point of empathy. You can't I'm not talking to nobody that lost a family member to firearms and ignorance around it about a gun. I'm trying to help them heal first. So usually I find out what a misinformation like that 60 percent stat or I find out where where they where their pain is and then move from that point, you know?

I mean, what do you think, though, about like when you look at these mass shootings, right? I mean, I went to Virginia Tech. There was a mass shooting at Virginia Tech. It was somebody who had access. It was 2008 or 2010. I actually came. But I mean, how do you respond to that? I mean, that's clearly somebody who should not have had a firearm.

Who.

Who went crazy on on innocent people, lots of people, and that was in Texas, one of many that has happened across our country over the last X number of years.

So, one, we got to go back to words, words and etymology. And these these that these ways that they twist words up, you got to go by the definition of what they're calling a mass shooting right now. Based on that definition, a mass shooting is anything we're four or more people, seemingly unrelated, are murdered in the same vicinity right on. So a lot of times with less safe as a party in an urban center and three or four people are caught in the crossfire, technically that's a mass shooting.

Right? Then when you understand that definition, you got to look at why they only talk about this mass shooting under their definition, but not this mass shooting under that same definition. So when you talk about that, you got to look at where it is when you use the Virginia Tech example. Right? That's the gun free zone. The areas predominantly where there's the most mass shootings, which also make up less than one percent of all shootings, less than one percent of all shootings are this thing that we call mass shootings.

Right. You got to look at where they happen. They happen in gun free zones. Gun free zones were created by Joe Biden in 1990. That was his that was his work. And since 1990, over 95 percent of mass shootings are in gun free zones. Why? Because if I'm the bad guy and I have all of these guns that I want to, you know, shoot somebody, I generally don't want rounds going back at me. Right.

So we got to look at that whole picture. I think that where we fell on the pro-gun side, I'm saying pro-gun so people can understand, you know, pro-gun, anti-gun, whatever. But where we fail is we look like we don't care and we just don't have no empathy for the death.

Right. That is how it comes across. Right. We go we go so hard from a from a statistics statistics statistic. And that that matters to a certain extent. Right. What matters more is empathy. And I don't care if it's two deaths that are, you know, preventable. Right. They're preventable. So when you say a mass shooting, you've got to look at the definition and you got to factor in like damn wire and over 90 percent of these mass shootings happening in gun free zones.

Why are they happening there? Because the bad guy has made a decision. I want to go to a place where I can inflict the most damage with the least resistance.

The guy that shot up the movie theater in Aurora or Aurora from Sandy.

Right. Colorado, Colorado. I asked them because, you know, they conveniently took him into custody without killing him. But that's a sidebar. They asked him why did he choose that location? He had actually drove past like five or six other movie theaters because that one was a gun free zone. So you got it. You can't again, if we look at the stats and we if we if we are utilizing that as a part of our assessment tool, we got to look at, OK, these bad guys are picking locations with nobody to return fire, you know.

You know, those little catchphrases like armed society is a polite society. There's something to that. If I don't want no smoke, I'm not going to create no fire. And so a lot of times guys that are weirdos will have serious mental issues. They still smart enough or not crazy enough to go to a place where there is going to be some there's going to be very little to no resistance. And a lot of times after those people are stopped, whether they put into custody or whatever, present it, but, you know, firepower or somebody just trying to stop them.

A lot of times they usually kill themselves, you know, so that's that's kind of like the overarching theme. A lot of the things that we're told about this, quote unquote, gun violence or mass shootings, we don't know all of the story because quote unquote, left or right. They're going to tell a story with a slant on it and people in the so-called right of, you know, are guilty of it to you can't you can't pretend like we don't have a mental health issue.

You can't like what the fuck? Like, we don't even know what chemicals we put in our bodies for like 20 years, you know, I'm saying so. And then the pharmaceuticals. But then if you start talking about that and everybody want to shut you up because now you're going into a whole nother world and you fucking the bagger, you know, I mean, the pharmaceutical bag, the FDA bag, all that other type of shit. So they just put out like half of the conversation a lot of times.

And I get it. I mean, I'm not I'm not emotionally attached to what they do it. I just know why they do it. So usually when people ask those questions, it's a great opportunity for us to exercise the empathy that we generally have, as well as to, like, inform people about the other part of the story that they kind of miss.

I mean, my only I've I've dealt with guns intimately since I was like three years old. So my dad used to sell weapons at the Army surplus stores.

So I dealt with it in a law enforcement capacity, a military capacity actually go on train with the with like real military bases, with sniper teams.

So I've dealt with it in every single capacity. Yeah. From the streets with a hole. My own collection from collecting to sport.

What's to sport shooting to the hole. To the whole array. I still have not heard a credible argument about why the average person on the street should have a gun now. And that's with me being deeply in it, period. And that same piece about. And from the gun company side, which is super interesting, because at the end of the day, the only group that's profiting from this, apart from, you know, government taxes and and registration fees and stuff like that, is these gun companies.

Right.

So they have a bias as well in terms of stats, the way things are represented, certain narratives, certain stories.

You know, suicide is a thing like those people, whether they whether they took their own life when they took their own lives, it's still a life that potentially could have been saved if they did not have access. And I talk people down from suicide all the time, just halfway. Right. So it makes it very easy.

That's why a 60 percent easy way to kill you, so. But even with that said, I still look at who benefits at the end of the day, right. And his paycheck right is companies based in America, right. They manufacture guns in America or distribute weapons in America that still benefit from this violence. Right. And it doesn't matter once he leaves the factory. I mean, they already got their check. Right. So it's not like like there was an issue with the gun violence in Chicago was like, well, wettig in the guns from.

Right. So he had the straw man purchases. You have folks who actually which is legal. Right. Able to go on and buy, you know, 30 strap's and, you know, pass them out in the hood and do whatever.

Right. But then you also had, like, people going to gun shows and, you know, buying a crater acres and selling it out the back of a truck and doing all that. Like, all that stuff is real.

But the one thing that that does not change, no matter what that transaction is, whether it's illicit or illegal, is that that when that gun left, the factory was paid for. Right. So whether it's legal violence, whether it's legal violence, illegal violence, gang shootings, mass shootings, the security guard at the at the movie theater, the cop, whoever, the one entity that still benefits from all of this is the gun manufacturers. Right.

That are based in California. Based in Georgia. Based in Illinois.

Right. So I still kind of have a. A certain sense that no matter what argument that you put in, I say credible, what whatever argument you put up for having guns is still traces back and is still reinforced and promoted by these gun manufacturers. Right. Who have a incentive to keep the violence going, to keep the fear going, to keep all those aspects present in society because they benefit from it at the end of the day. And this is from a guy who has multiple collections.

Right. Part of it. Right. But that's still kind of being as an insider. That's that's one thing that I still kind of like. Yeah, you could blame farmers. You blame if you blame that. But I mean, these gun companies, you know, they got Instagram pages for a reason, you know. Well, I think that. You are being a gun owner, doesn't make you an expert on that, and you're wrong. That's just I'm wrong.

And from a from a from a perspective of you feeling what way you say you feeling like, OK, where you're not wrong, let's start with the good part. Right. Where you're not wrong is no one's argument is ever going to be credible enough to. Somewhat justify, and I'm not saying that me as a gun owner, me as a person that trains people in firearms handling and things like that, that we're asking for this, but no one's going to know argument is credible enough to justify whether it's intentional or unintentional, somebody dying with any type of tool.

I don't care. Again, I mentioned attorney kid. You know, somebody bleeding out in a car accident to me is like, I can't justify. It's really easy to use a tourniquet. It's like you just practice. It's really easy and a lot of life could be saved. There's no credible argument to me that somebody could say, well, I didn't know how to use a tourniquet to me is dumb. Now, I'm right in my feeling.

The problem with feelings are then there's this pesky thing called facts, the fact of the matter is gun manufacturers who I am not a part of, I am not paid by any gun manufacturing company.

I have my own line of rifle. This is my rifle, the Solutionary rifle. We as a manufacturer, someone that makes firearms, does not benefit from death at all. That will be the equivalent of saying car manufacturers benefit from accidents or drunk driving. It's not accurate, even if you're even if you're sued. A lot of the lawsuits are user error, so forth and so on. But even if you sue for a hundred million dollars, it doesn't make sense.

It actually would put companies in the red. So based on like.

Well, I said I said as I said now to be clear set the narrative goes right. The narrative of fear. Right. So not just not just death.

And that's the part that I'm agreeing with.

The narrative of violence, know all this facets, the fashionability of it, to have a red one and then get a yellow one and you get one to match a car and you want to match a holston, et cetera, et cetera.

Yeah, I can agree. I can agree with that in the sense of. I mean, that part is math, too, if I sell rifles and I want you to buy one in pink and blue, just like sneakers, just like cars, profit plays a part in any company. If I make a dope album, I want you to buy it. That is capitalism. That is the exchange of goods and services for capital for dollars. Right.

Or whatever form of currency. So in that sense, you're absolutely there is an incentive to purchase for us to do marketing and for you to buy more firearms. The problem is. The gun companies, especially up until the last few years, have been trash marketing, they've been marketing to the same demographic, which is law enforcement and military. I just did the cover of a magazine that never had a regular dude that wasn't a so-called operator on it.

Right. That's done even before the last few years. The vast majority of, you know, gun buyers were not I mean, outside of contracts, because I want to be very, you know, objective and honest outside of military contracts on a consumer level. It is not just law enforcement and, you know, military dudes super operate business wearing camo when they face. That's not the case. Their marketing has been trash, in my opinion, for years because I'm like, yo, yo, I don't even have black people in your ads like that.

Stupid, like, that's dumb, you know? And so it also pushes a different narrative of like this is only for the White Boys Club. This is only for the good old boys network. And that's also false black people in America. You know, Nicholas Johnson wrote a great book called, You know, Negroes in the Gun. Black people in America have had a longstanding and rich tradition with firearms since the time we got here or were already here.

That argument is people go back and forth about that all day.

So the yes, there is an incentive to, as any company has to maximize on profit. It is not an incentive. And I think some of this is is government related. I think people are like, you know, last year we had an eight million new gun owners, eight million. The largest new demographic of firearms purchases are black women. Right. That was part of my goal in starting black guns matter. More black people need to buy guns and train with them, not because, oh, we want to make, you know, the gun companies rich.

Surplus Army is a black owned manufacturing company right out of, you know, not far from Philly right now because of that, but because of no one is coming to save you. You like we are outsourcing and dependent on government to defend us after we just said government is over policing our neighborhoods, brutalizing us, all those other different things. That's why I want people to buy guns and train. Let me be very clear. I do not trust this government at all.

If you do, anyone does. You're not really paying attention out here. So I'm good with people purchasing fire.

I would love for us to be more on the manufacturing side. My God, black Rambo has his own ammo, you know.

My God, Argo J.

This is his rifle right here, the Bravo Oscar. I would love to see us more on the manufacturing and profit side and the safe and responsible way. But not government is jumping in the way and making people fearful. And people went through those eight million new gun owners, went through what they intrinsically knew. You cannot depend on the government. They take forever to come. And if they do come, they might shoot me like thinking I'm the bad guy.

So not that poor I disagree with, but on the part of there being a profitability. And I don't need anybody to agree with my credible nature of trust in government and my potentially having an average citizen. Right.

Like I haven't heard a credible argument. Why the average citizen. Right. Not not the the person who's a criminal or the person who's a just in an active environment. Right.

That is because most folks don't encounter violence like that. Right. They're not under threat like that. And I was kind of my piece about, you know, gun not just gun manufacturers, gun promoters, things in nature, gun shops, things of that nature, pushing a narrative, inventing a bad guy. Yeah, right. And then playing that down to the average person to have.

Because when you say there's eight million people who knew gun owners.

Yeah. My response is like for what you know, if you went to each one of those people and like what you know, on a micro, but even on a macro like. Like for what?

Like what's the goal? And having eight million new guns, knowing that it's it's a repeat thing as well.

Like you got this when I get this one, I get this one get down repeat by a kind of aspect to like going to get shoes. Like that's going to happen. Right. You're going about it. You're going to get this sort of cred with this record and you get your CCW and you just you do that right.

And you nine times out of ten, you're not going to use it at all except at the range. Right. Like, you're not you're not going to get into a shootout.

You're not going to get into these these like nine point nine times out of and you're not going to use if you did get into a shootout.

So if you dig and let me explain this to the top. If you dig into a shootout, right. The chances of you, no matter how much how good you train. Right. The chances increase for you hitting somebody else right there ain't involved. It just it just everything levels up, especially in a situation where, you know, military police is different because you can isolate, well, let's say military police out just for a second. I have a controversy.

But you're in a war zone, like isolating a certain thing. Right? There's a certain level of we're going to go on to this spot. It is a battle box, you know, weapons free. Let's go. Right. But there's so many layers and rules to that. And then the other side of it and I'll finish on this is there's more diplomacy that happens on the operator side, on the military side than actual, you know, fingers on triggers.

Right. It's like diplomacy is what wins wars, right. Diplomacy is what settles things right. And you can have all the violence, all the bombs you want. But if you don't have a diplomatic way to talk through certain situations or remove yourself from certain equations, it don't matter how many guns you got.

So, yeah, that's why we don't advocate for people to just run to the firearm as their first line of defense in such situations. You said something that no matter how much training you have, that's wrong. That's wrong. Training, just like you. Martial arts. Do you go to your sword the first time. So somebody just steps on you to know you de-escalate or you avoid getting your toes stepped on in the first place as a gun owner.

These are the things that we educate all gun owners on. That's number one. Number two, to train someone to use that. So we got a ton of stuff. So, for example, I got Tasers over there. I have obviously something very just like the Matrix gun room right now.

Got like this.

It's a it's a it's a car time.

Now I pull out a pretzel that's a very big brown bowling ball. Like we got these right here. Just in case you don't have said that. I mean, to cut you off.

Gleiberman, if they go this way, we got him something as simple as a flashlight. Right. And situational awareness. Right. Something as easy as something. Don't look right over there and just hit somebody with a quick flash letting them know that, hey, I see you, you know, just things that are a deterrent because, you know, most I mean, when I say crime and when I say criminals, I mean people that want to violate your body or your property.

Right. I'm not talking about dudes that just sold some weed. I don't even count that. Right. Violent crime. Those type of guys don't want someone to pay attention to them. Right. So little things in regards to training. And I'm saying wrong in a sense of how. And I know what you mean. I'm just saying I want to add on to it. I think that's a a more empathetic and better way to say that when you're talking about training, one of the basic four rules of firearm safety is not your target.

And what's beyond it? I'm not it's not a good shot. I'm not taking the shot, you know. I mean, I don't I know my target, but I don't know what's beyond it. Something simple, as you know. Are you carrying self-defense of rounds that don't over penetrate or are you carrying training rounds because they're cheaper that do over penetrate? Right. These are all a part of training. These are all a part of de-escalation, conflict resolution avoidance.

I hope I never I got a bunch of guns.

I've been shot at an event in three shootouts. They are chaos. I think that the general public trains, too. If you're ever in that scenario, you have the ability to defend yourself. I think that, well, it may never happen. So I'm not going to be prepared if it does happen is a very simplistic or limiting viewpoint to have, you know, to pop. What are the chances of him being accosted by two drunk, off duty police officers that we're trying to put his life in imminent danger and he shot them, both of them, and didn't go to jail?

Right. So, of course, we generally may say or some people would say there's no way the police are never going to do that. Right. There's millions of police law enforcement interactions every day. What are the chances of. Yeah, but then that happened to one of the most iconic hip hop artists of all time. Right. And he was in position and defended his life. So I'm not really concerned about like if I only need it to happen one time, that's like all of these firearms that around are clear.

There's no magazine. There's no rounds chambered. Every single time that I put the gun down to pick it up, I'm a do a press check, I'm a check to make sure that visibly and physically check that barrel and that magazine to make sure that there's no rounds and I don't care about. Put it down. I'll talk to you all. I'm writing. I'm a check every time. I only need to be wrong one time if I'm not armed, if I don't have something to defend myself from some weirdo one time.

All I need is that one time, so that are the position of, well, you generally ninety nine point nine percent of the time won't have to. OK, what about that point one time? What about all the other people that are in spaces where some weirdo comes in? There's nobody to return fire? I think those people deserve to make it home that night to my gay homies that was killed in the Pulse nightclub. Right. I wish somebody would have been there with a fire arm to return fire to that guy, like the guy that tried to go up in that church in Texas.

And God don't doubt because he wanted to shoot people and the carnage could have been much more. Right. These are the things that Dylann Roof set a world right. If he picked that church because he knew it was a gun free zone, I would have loved for there to be somebody to defend life. You cannot stop an evil dude from doing what an evil dude wants to do, especially if you're unarmed. If he's made that decision or she's made that decision, the only thing that's going to stop him is somebody that's equally trained or has the means to stop them.

That's that. So I don't really train under the thought process that, like, this may never happen. You know, I hope none of us are never in it like a car accident. But we still go and drive safely. We still want you know, we still want to do the speed limit. We still don't, you know, do the ten and two thing. We still don't generally put on our safety belts, you know, and I hope it never happens.

I think training is for those things that are on, you know, accidents and or rare and or the unforeseen. I want to train to the point that if I happen to run across the unforeseen, I'm in position. I know how to swim because when I'm taking a flight across a big ass ocean off this joint go down. And if I somehow live, I want to be able to swim and not, like, die because I didn't know how to swim.

That's rare, but I think we should prepare for it. Not to mention the fact that I have a right to have as many motherfucking guns to protect myself against weirdos and corrupt government officials as I want to mark my position on that isn't like, you know, I don't trust the government. I live in Philly. I live where Move nine movement bombing happened in the 80s. I don't trust these motherfuckers for anything. And I'm not going to outsource my security to them, nor am I going to be met with in fear like superior firepower because of the fact that, you know, somebody might just think I shouldn't have that many fuck know that.

Nah, man, I'm a student of Malcolm. I know about that.

Obviously, you know me.

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Royce the five, not Tom Frank.

I will say this to your point to you, to your point match about having like a health like the mistrust for the government and guns, and that's not the reason I got a whole shitload of guns.

Allegedly, allegedly. You know, it's because I like guns. You know, like it's just flat like that. Like, I like AK 47. I collect the various models of the AK 47 from the dragon off to the Draco's to the mini draco's that a different Romanian. And I just love Warsaw Pact weapons. So any time I get the opportunity to buy them and collect them and shoot them, I just I that's what I love.

Right. Right.

And in the same way people collect car. Yeah. It's that simple. It ain't got nothing to do with politics and I got nothing to do with violence or fear trying to prove a point or protection that is just like I like this machine, I study it, I read the book. I know how it works. I just like the way it looks, you know, as an artifact for humanity. Right. So that's my piece. Like, I yes, there are certain things about the government that we should be aware of.

But then there's also, you know, there's things that the government don't do, like sometimes we project too much power, too much influence, too much intrigue going to certain institutions. That's not really there. But that's their game, right. To get you to overthink certain situations and have you in a certain instability. Not saying that that's what we are or not. But there's also that aspect to it to, you know.

Yeah, I agree, I agree. So that's how I feel about record labels. Yeah, yeah. It's like it's like your label going to put you on our date. All right. The government is absolutely coming to kill you tomorrow, are that right? Like, it's a it's a balance there. And for me, like I said earlier, I'm not a gun dude like I know. And my thing is I know. I know what they do.

I know which ones I shoot best with. But you asking me about being a historian, I'm a freedom dude that is a tool to protect my freedoms. That's all it is. And a lot of times your freedom ain't in jeopardy. That's to lose point, too. Like a lot of times my folks be thinking it's like, oh, it's on it ain't on frot.

Whether that's the gun, the government or that girl you thought it was, it's clearly not yours.

So that's the balance that against these classes, man, we have these deeper conversations where it turns into that, where it's like no, if absolute, where would I disagree a bit? If they say, yo, these are illegal, turn them in. I'm not turning the motherfucking thing.

I'm willing to say he's turning them in. You're not turning a man, yo. Right. Not having you can't you can't tell me.

You can't tell me. I'm supposed to be down with patriotism in America and I live here. I love it here. I'll read up on America every year. I've been to places my stepfather, Jamaica, they family didn't have a front door like. So wait, hold on. No, no, wait. Now, wait. Now, just so we're clear, OK, I did not take that front door because I know that's going to come up in the comments.

No, I did not imagine so. Ray's grandparents, a father's front door.

You stole the wrong door this time? No, it was it at my. What was it? I know. What I'm saying is I live in a place this it's a lot of fucked up shit here in America, but it's a lot of opportunity. Engracia here too. So I'm always in that middle ground due to extremes. I don't that's that shift path. I'm on edge Arab middle middle shit. My thing, though, is there's a oh, currently we are we have a lot more liberty and freedom than a lot of places and people that claim that.

Poor shit, bro, you got a six hundred dollar apple, like, stop it. You know, I'm saying so my point in that is to lose point. I want to make sure that we understand that you do have a lot more freedom and passion in opportunity and just ability than some places. You know, right up the street from your country was right. I just know that because how government moves and because I don't trust them, I'm never going to like when when the police be like, yo, we going to list and then I'll think about it, you know, I say, but until then, it's like, nah, bro, I want to get to that place.

I believe that the human condition can get to that point. Well, we don't need none of this shit like for what we use it for. I believe in that. But I'm also like pragmatic that I'm like, we ain't there yet. Like Dylann Roof happened, you know, hard to say.

Who was that to say it? When you arm yourself, you go from subject to citizen. Was that was that Thomas Jefferson? Yep. That Thomas Jefferson. And that's what I'm saying.

Like, I can't even these are the guys that they say, are we supposed to respect? So if they were to say and they the founders of this place, you said I'm supposed to respect this place. Okay, cool. Ahmadu, about a constitution, the Bill of Rights, the Declaration of Independence. Cool. As a Mellon native being, if I could do it. All right. Cool. At the moment where government says something to the effect that's completely contradictory to those framing documents like, say, turn and all of them guns, that's absolutely the time when you're not supposed to turn in them guns because they want you to turn in guns because they doing something that you probably would shoot them for.

Right. So to me, it's like, nah, bro, I exist in that middle middle ground. And if I'm wrong and the government is going to be great here moving forward, I'm good with this. Wrong because nothing happens. Nothing happens to me. And I do. I want to really appreciate that point that you made about like, yo, sometimes you give it at too much energy and and like, yo, here they come. And it's like, nah, they may not, but just be prepared if they do.

And if they don't, you know, you, you and a happy place, you know.

I mean, yo Tom, the five not I win your race. When you said when you mentioned that Thomas Jefferson, my man was like he probably wanted you had him guns so you could protect I'll protect you from taking his slaves is what the fuck he was doing a bit.

Hey, Thomas. Hey. Thomas Jefferson. I hate that motherfucker now, cousin. I hate him. But anyway. Man, man. Appreciate you, brother. Great insight. Great man. Wonderful to see what you're doing. Just also wanted to see what you had was that, you know what I'm saying as a as a as a fellow, kind of like, well, you're not a gun that I am a gun that I'm actually worse. I got all kinds of shit laying around.

But appreciate to see that the way you approach it, the way you can, you know that it's about de-escalation first. And then I would love to be a part of one of your classes when all this cool stuff kind of break down it and see if you can shoot me, you know, at 13 yards. Let's see what's happening. I probably can't.

You can teach me math. All right.

All right. That's my story. Tell us real quick, where can people find out more information?

Everybody can hit me on social media. I'm shadow band on Instagram, my main page at my school.

This is one of Royce's homeboys at my age. My dad. What's his name again?

Oh, you are officially on Instagram official black guns matter. All the work that we do is completely free to the people we crowdfund. We do have a go fund me page. We do have a nonprofit. But if anybody here hears this today and wants to support the work, go. Famicom Force Lives Black Lives Matter. We raise the money and already gave it away. We ain't the like. Oh we get this ten million dollars. No we raise it and we give it away for the classes.

It's already gone. Right. So if anybody wants to deal in conflict resolution, de-escalation, basic firearm safety handling, I'm a tad of political education in regards to the Second Amendment, you know, hit me. And if you are going through something right now, man, like seriously, like, you know, we talked about a lot of things tonight, but like, if you going through something that DM me, I don't give a fuck what time it is, man.

Just know, like your life matters. You have that. You have value. Let's just chop it up man. You know, especially like dudes dislike vets. There's like twenty two veterans that kill themselves every day, you know. I mean and if you're going through some shit like that it's my open invitation. DME me say you're much. I just drew I'm going through something. Let's, let's talk about it, let's chop it up. Let's not add to that statistic of, you know, so-called gun violence and and you taking your life.

I would rather you be here. We all would rather you be here, you know, and then later let on two years from now, we laugh at the shit that was going, you know, so that's pretty much my brother.

I appreciate you, man. Thank you. I appreciate you. Thank you. All right.

I'm going to go shoot some shit up is what I'm going to do right now. I feel inspired to go shoot up eight or nine things. They lead today.

Calm down, calm down, calm myself down. Yeah, I know what I'm about to do.

Kate, Kate, Kate, Kate. That's all you've been thinking about with Kate and K. Hey, I actually thought that was pretty. That was interesting. I learned quite a bit on that man. So yeah, he was good. He was good shot to match Tormé. But yeah. If you can ladies and gentlemen, find a better way to solve your problems can find a better way to solve your problem.

Maybe, maybe better help. You know what I'm saying. Better help learn how to fight, fight, fight or maybe archery.

Learn how to fight.

Yeah, right. That's what I needed. I will I will say this though not how to talk.

I will say this, though, is that people will find a way to be violent. And even if you did have a decrease in guns, you would see a decrease in gun violence. And I think you will see a certain decrease in violence overall, depending on the stability, the economics of the environment and the places that you live. But if you take a place like the UK, just since we shed light on violence, knife violence, anything in the UK, it is a big thing and a big deal.

And it's a it's a problem in the streets of the UK. So.

And has it skyrocketed after they eliminated guns from, you know, the UK never really had, like, a gun gun crazy problem like that. But again, it's like finding a way to, you know, dispense violence in the world easily. Right, via a knife without having to use your feet.

But, you know, just know that not to underplay the tool that you use when there's a will, there's a way and hopefully we find a more peaceful means of getting to our issues, you know?

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