Previously on The Leupen Roscio, do you know how many comments we get daily about when you two are going to do something, even even the questions that are posed by which I want me to ask some people when they go to listen, Dr. Dre was called.

I mean, it was it was about to go down and then I chickened out. They don't be about to go down just because doctors really didn't call you because she told me nothing.

The Luban ratio of the safwat media production, that was pretty good.

Yeah, whatever this is Lupe Fiasco and I still be singing in the shower.

You know what? I'm just a voice five nine and I'm still sitting in the same spot waiting on a Grammy.

And this is just a regular dude eating his magic and cereal.

So.

Yo, Royce. What happened, cause what happened, give us the whole story, give us the whole yeah, starting at two o'clock when you logged in to the platform, pretty underwhelming Felis.

I had to go out to Cali to do a show, but I wanted to make sure that I got back, that I wanted to be here during the Grammys because, as I know, they did everything virtual.

So for the majority, I watched the ceremony or.

No, I did. I guess you say so.

You say most of the people were just like at their houses and shit. Yeah. So I was sitting in the same spot, so I basically. I had to check in at a certain time and the rap category, the rap rap album of the year category was the very, very last category. So. I checked in and it went this fast. The nominees for rap album of the year are, and they named everybody and the winner is Nas and I'll accept this on behalf of NAS.

And that was it. That was it, as soon as he said, as soon as Harvey said, I'll accept it on behalf of us, I just closed my computer.

So now I didn't even accept the award. They didn't let go to him. He wasn't available. It should have given it to who was available. Yeah, I was available, Freddie Gibbs was available here on the whole fucking suits.

I saw Freddie grabs a suit and the smoke was with his mother.

Jay Electronica had a. A whole rock nation listening party and the one guy who wasn't even there when it. He deserves it, he does deserve he does deserve a Grammy, he deserves payback. From from the years that he got duped. So I'm happy I'm happy with Naz. I mean, if I had to be somebody other than me, so that's what we're doing for next year. As far as what you got now, you got to get back on on it every year to try to put you into man or start chasing Grammys, man telling when you start chasing them, that's when they start running.

Bro, last time I chased some, I got a Charley horse. I can't be out here, Jason, now. Was a good run. It's a good run. What do you talk about? It's going to is exciting. He still get the nomination medal, which is normally Delp, you get the plaque, the nomination plaque had had it up in Heaven studios or at the crib, which whichever place you go to put that joint.

I'm still excited.

I'm still excited that you got nominated, man. I'm more excited. I put it to you like this. And here's hit. This is real talk. You ready for this race?

I'm more excited. That you got nominated, then I am excited that Nars won. That's understandable. I'm Sam. I mean, I think I mean, yes, that's definitely true, and you get to be called well, you're already called the Grammy nominated Rice the five nine. So that that didn't change your title.

Oh, it changed it. You should see me at the grocery store. I'm a problem, do you have it printed on the printed on the credit card?

The Grammy nominated I'm the problem in the checkout line. You don't want to put a piece of me.

Did you actually watch the Grammys themselves on TV version? Did you just shut it off? You were that you were done.

You were done. You know what you know you know what stood out to me without which with somebody on Twitter. Twitter. Twitter is such a monster of humanity.

Right.

Somebody mentioned how you know, how you just you just say, I was like, yo, why would I watch it? Right. And you would think, like, oh, man, you can't say that because, you know, next time the Grammys might be where you got to keep up, you know, keep up the presentation and maybe they'll give it to you next year. Right. So I think about that. Then it flipped in my mind immediately.

I was like, nah, because Kanye won this year. Right. He wants, like, best Christian, whatever. Right. But did you know, like six months ago he actually put his Grammy in a toilet and pissed on it? What do you mean, did I notice one of the greatest things that you've ever done, and instead of apparently instead of him being banned thoroughly from disrespecting the Grammys, he won another one.

It's crazy. Well, he's really he's really, really religious. That part Iwon another one, but that means he also he did you you don't just win one, right? You have to actually put the paperwork in and all of that to be nominated.

Correct. In him. You didn't hear to Kirk Franklin Franco. Pissing on a Grammy is just a Christian thing to do. Oh, damn, so I don't know. The Kirk Francophilia shouted Kirk Franklin shout the kind you don't know about. You don't know about the Kirk yet. Shout out to Kanye and Jesus Christ you don't know about be Kirk Franklin. Now, I've no idea what's going on.

So should we play it right now so I can get to understanding so I can get called up? I'm in the dungeons. Maybe I'm in. What's going on? Well, it really shouldn't be news because of the kind of fathers to me you have. Discussing this or not, discussing the sign out, no big deal.

Oh, man, oh, dad, he's his cousin out something sometimes you to kazatsky Isme.

Sometimes people think that religious people are just like. Saints all the time, nobody's perfect, nobody's perfect, I mean, wasn't nobody is perfect, wasn't Abraham not even Miss slit his throat like that was a whole God told him to do that. Kill you, son. Funny. Well, who put that?

What was the Grammy doing in the toilet? Where else was he supposed to be? Who put it there?

I don't you know, I'm just saying the only reason I brought that up is because when you was like nine and watch it and you think like, no, I'm to be on your best behavior because the Grammy's.

Right. But then it's like, well, kind of kind of like a piss on a whole Grammy. Right, and live stream and then come right back and win six months later, then I guess that there's nothing you can't do, then, you know, that will get you back because they can't accept his Grammy for most religious rapper from Wyoming.

Or was he not available either? Oh, man, you feel the ways about that, don't you, not being there to get it? No, no, no, no, no.

I'm asking you because you watch the right time. Oh, I didn't watch.

I didn't see him. I didn't see that part of it. Now, are we surprised the country when I mean, come on. He's kind of. You don't think he can. Makes him better, Captain Kirk Franklin. Come on, let's be suspicious here. I don't know, man, the world is a crazy place these days. I just I just enjoy the ride.

And Kirk Franklin in a cipher we all got. I got yeah. Thank you, Connie. Of course. Thank you. A cipher and a cipher. So. What's going on? Yeah, how y'all doing? Royce Grammy nominated Vinayak Regulation Brother Thomas, how are you. Why are you why are you congratulating me? I lost. Are you being facetious. You were still nominated. It still is a big moment.

I told you man, I'm more happy that you got nominated than I am the last one. And I mean that, right? Well, I'm disappointed because I lost.

Oh man. Now, man, you didn't even care, I didn't care. I didn't even care about the Grammy till I lost. That's what happens. Yeah, yeah.

See, and now this is how you start chasing them. Yeah. No, it's not. What's the next project?

What's coming out next? What are we going to win next year?

I'm not doing any more projects. He's done retiring. No, no, no.

Look, OK, listen, you can you can hit me with all your former former Grammy winning banter and humor. But I told you this way before I was even nominated.

What would you tell me in doing them? Well, stopping you, don't you dance sometimes. Cut it out.

You can do a great one. Yeah, he rises up it being facetious as he as he sits in an entire studio designed by him, every single angle to get the maximum out of the wise projection. And is big bakan skills. Yeah, exactly. That's what I've been doing. That's what I've been doing.

Instead of rapping for the last three months when designing and killing time, when it's all said and done, you're going to be right back up there making Grammy nominated albums and eventually a Grammy Award winning one. So I have faith. Jesus took the wheel. Jesus took the Wilbraham.

Funny little bro. Yeah. Can we talk about. This ah, this fake ass t shirt and I will be sending folks to come see both of you. Because I noticed what shirt, you know. Oh, oh, I do know exactly what that what that meant. That made my hold, that made it all the way to my mama.

Just want to let you know that my momma, Royce, that made it all the way to my mama. My mama was like, yes, I see rice when one of your shirts, baby blue.

Billu, listen, listen. I told him right in front of you do not include me.

And that culture misappropriation that you'd be doing with lupus. Materials broke. If you send me a shirt, man, you got to send me to authenticate it. You got me out looking crazy, Tom. I'm thinking this straight from the merch store.

You know damn well I'm out there performing and ripping. And for what? What am I? You're repping the I don't know what you're rapping, but it was good, I love it, I love it. That's what you wrap it up. Swap meet specials. That's what you ready? eBay bottom bottom discount basket specials. Thanks a lot, Royce. I really appreciate you.

And Tom, I. I want to say thank you because I took it I took it as like a signal to say hello. Hello, Tom.

That's when you took that wrong money, when you took that down. Tell us a little bit about the concert, though. Was it as cool as you were talking about where you can actually see people on my money time?

I swear to God I want my money, but don't worry about it. Let me get it one way or another.

One way after the concert was going fantastic until I found out I was rocking a knockoff. Thanks, Tom.

I'm out there thinking I'm starting to shit.

You know, I'm saying like, I have somebody up on the screen.

I'm talking to him. He got his wavy shirt on. I noticed my feet a little different.

It's a damn shame. Different fund raising. All incorrect.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, no, no, no, no. That is a pure premium, perfect knockoff.

It is exactly right, it is. I actually think I'll tell you what, I think my knockoff is better than the original. Is that what you think? That what you think good, I think in it I got to make it up to my brother Lou Nabarro, I got it. I'm going to your school none school.

I'm going to your store and buy some chopsticks, man. Hey, man, what's what's your.

Seems like a dead man.

Jokes, jokes and I semi racist banter. I'll take it.

No, no, no. Don't worry about Ray Rice. I'm bitter about losing Ramadi, not racist. Get it.

Get it right. This has nothing to do with racism.

It's not that way. This has everything to do with the Grammys every.

Hello. Hello. Hello. So wait, wait. So seriously. Seriously, no jokes. You really upset. No, I'm not. Yeah, you are, you're a little bit, yeah, a little bit. How about that? A little bit. Can I be upset? How can I be upset about not winning the Grammy man, OK? You don't obfuscate though.

Obfuscate. You will just just you a little bit a little bit perturbed, bro.

I'm too taken aback by the Grammys. Do you even understand what that word means? What is it. What what is then? I don't know what that is.

Listen, I lost every single best rap album and I lost to some shenanigans. It was shenanigans that, like, kicked some of the people you lost. Shenanigans I lost to money-MAKER, bro, money maker Ludacris and Pharrell. I what? None of you remember that song. Ludicrous started probably won't even perform that song, no more kick push is headlining, I can just come and do kick, push and leave. Bruh, how could. So it wasn't even like a hit when it was out, when it was.

I'm still. That's the only one I'm upset about, is that one. I'm like, what?

Please, I'll tell you what I'm upset about. Everything on your fucking site is sold out.

You know, I get that money, you know, shouts at the reason that, well, you don't you don't get mine shaft that you might want to restock or restocks commensal.

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I'm getting one of these portrait posters and putting it in a frame. Oh a sold out. Sold out. That's going to go. You did your best. I guess I'll get you one of those rights.

Don't worry. Right. Oh man. Don't, don't, don't, don't send me one of these with a picture of somebody.

I swear to God, to me this would be smoke on it since somebody else comes.

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This brings up an interesting subject, what counts if you actually counterfeiter and into our subject of today's show, like NFTE, non fungible tokens, you know anything about this, right?

Yes, of course I do. All right.

Well, we have a we have a we have a special guest on tonight who's going to who we're going to we're going to talk a little bit more in depth about this, because even though you guys know this subject extremely well, a lot of us and a lot of the listeners know will say a lot of us say you, Tom, you don't know.

I don't know a lot about it, OK? No, no, no, no, no, no. Everybody else don't put it on. Let's reframe that. Let's let's reframe that a little bit. I'm not saying I don't know a lot about it. I'm not so sure I buy into it yet. I want to I want to understand more about the subject matter.

So joining us today, this this this woman wrote had a recent article in New York Times about non fungible tokens or NFTE. Jose Thadeus Johns is a writer and editor from London, currently living in Cambridge, Massachusetts, Massachusetts.

She writes about art, culture and technology for publications such as The New York Times, The Financial Times and The Economist, and is currently working on a book about the relationship between reality, technology and art.

So we're going to welcome to the show. Jose Hikiji, what's he doing? Jose, I'm good. Hello, ma'am. Hi, how are you? Oh, man.

So, Jose, we just say hello. Hello? Man Wait. Yeah, just put it to work immediately. Let us. Natalie, you're not upset with us. You know what I'm saying? You just trying to go straight for the jugular.

I to give a dissertation. I'd love to buy the lady a drink for downtown.

Thank you. What's up, TJ? All right.

I'm good. Yeah, I'm good. Thanks for having me. I'm excited to be here. I've never actually been on a podcast before, so what? I'm pretty excited. Yeah, I know. Why haven't I been on all the podcasts already? I'm going to ask you a question.

I'm going to be very forward and you answer however you like, OK? Are you really OK with him calling you T.J.?

I just want to make sure I start calling you T.J..

I've got J. T.J. a lot. That's more common because J.

J which do you prefer? I'm fine with with. No, I think I prefer day to day. It just sounds better. You know, it don't sound that.

OK, you're talking you're talking to two people and Tom slightly in there whose whole business is to make up things that people like to hear. Right. And I just want to tell you from our combined expertise that T.J.. Right. That T.J., it come T.J., it sticks.

You know, T.J., it's a little like I got to do the J for A.J. Did your teenage son at that is all right. Coming in strong, T.J.. T.J., it is.

My name is Royce. OK, I'm a teacher. I'm a Detroit G, OK. And the G does not stand for granted. All right. So I want you to know that I doesn't have a Grammy. You can call me a gangster, but, you know, you can call me gullible or anything you like.

Just don't call me Grammy Award winning. How are you this evening? I'm. I'm OK. I'm OK.

Josie, Josie. Josie, Jose. Yes. Royce is a little just so we are just so you know what, you're walking into a landscape here.

Royce is a little bit upset because he's fresh off a Grammy loss. Yes.

I'm so sorry. I said a little he's a little sensitive right now. Got it.

They didn't even have to bring that up. You know, they're doing to be having a party. We're having a great conversation here.

He comes out of nowhere.

Make sure you knew that he lost the Grammy 80s to getting someone to stop wasting this, would you consider would you consider a Grammy fungible?

Good. Really good question. I'm pretty sure a Grammy is not fungible. It's non-refundable.

Yeah. So can I sell it on the black thing? Yeah, you can for sure. Got to win my first guy back and be a good. Maybe that can be a good inaptly someday.

I'm sure it would, but I probably better use it for a Grammy. Right. I mean. So how did how does it work? How does it work out if it works? Quite a good example, actually. So a fungible token, as you've just mentioned, is something that can be exchanged for anything else. Right? If you get a Grammy, that Grammy is really not you can't exchange it for another one. It's the thing that it is and the fact that someone owns it, that someone has.

You know what?

Sorry, is that the same as my name is now? Go ahead. Go ahead. That's the point. You can't like what once it goes to that person? It can't be it can't be faked. Right. Because it's on a block chain. So there's a decentralized system of service and it's all being authenticated. I mean, block chain is a is a whole thing. But the whole point is that it makes something unique that otherwise might not be unique, like a digital file, for example, like music file, video image.

So those are the things that we tend to be using as entities these days.

Mm hmm. Are you with me? With me on the block chain stuff that I think that's the the question. Yeah.

It's just the part where you use the analogy about the Grammy. Could you say Soul Train? Would you please just like would you let this this woman could you please let it work?

And J.T. Jr., could you please stop talking about that?

We were like, we're never going to say that. Yes.

I got the spirit of Detroit Ward right over there.

That's way more important in many people's think.

And, yeah, keep telling yourself that you're worth certain words.

Are the judge do you have a NFTE? I don't have a ton of tea.

I actually just tweeted today that I'm really mad because people are selling tweets. Insanity's also, you know, you can make an offer and someone tweets. Right. Jack Dorsey might have heard of him. He started Twitter and he's yeah, he's selling his first ever tweet and the bidding got up to two point five million as of last week. So that's a lot of money. It's going to charity. So people are doing doing this. And I just tweeted today, I'm really disappointed that no one has offered me a single Ethereum etha for my for my tweets.

Well, what charity are you looking at?

Just thinking of. OK, so cheaper. So check it out. Right. How do you go about making a tweet into a NFTE?

You offer someone if they're in for it and if they accept it, then that's the that's that's the transaction done. And they can then trade that tweet, they can sell it to someone else. Some it's obviously more valuable than others. So the first ever tweet, a valuable tweet, but perhaps my tweets not so valuable with which I disagree.

I disagree. I just I mean, what what other tweet would anybody care to have and why would I care to have that when I could have it all confused tweet.

So, I mean, this is the whole point with entities, right. Is that they make something that is available to everyone. So, you know, video files that we can just see on the Internet, you know, we can just click on all of these marketplaces that are selling entities. You can look at this video files, watch them consume them, you know, image files. Right. Click and save. And you've got it on your computer.

You know, you can look at them and consume them as much as you want, but what you can't do is own them on the block chain. And that is the thing that is being sold. So in the same way that, you know, what is a tweet was, it's really just about what people think it's worth. So it's just a commodity. It's like a trading card, a certificate of authenticity that says I own this thing. So what validates that you owned it in the first place?

Like, what if I have some video of a cat jumping up and down and I decide to sell it and someone buys it? Yeah, but maybe I didn't even take the video.

I just on my question, and that's that's like just dependent on the marketplace that you're selling it on. And it's up to that. Like you say, it's the same way as you put something on YouTube. You say, I own this. It's the same thing. Like they say, you've got to say that you own it in order to put it on.

The doesn't mean people are going to watch it. It definitely doesn't mean people going to watch it. Yeah, so is there.

So nobody cares about your camera.

Is there like a it's a it's a good video. Is there like a follow up scrubbing of the Internet that takes place once purchased or NFTE minted something into a NFTE. Is there a process where then people go around the Internet and scrub it from every single corner, every single hard drive server on the Internet to make it a one of one?

Right. So this is a really important thing, is that when that's when what is being sold is not the copyright, it's not the right to post this image, it's not the right to use it. It's simply this token that says I own it on the block chain. It's really just bragging rights. It's a it's like a certificate that says, like, I own this thing. I'm you know, I'm involved in this person's practice. And it's mind blowing.

It's mind blowing. And I think, you know, if you've read some of the headlines this week about, you know, this artist, people who I see a few weeks ago, you know, he just sold an image file for 70 million, almost 70 million dollars. And when you think about that, actually just being a token that says the winner owns that thing and not actually owned the image file, it doesn't get the copyright. You can't put on a t shirt.

All of that remains with the artist. And it really is just it's a flux and that's it.

So I guess if you compared it to art, right, like if you had if I own the Mona Lisa, that doesn't mean that Loopt can't have a copy of the Mona Lisa. The only difference being that I. Some had own the original, right? Exactly. Is that right or is that not a fair comparison? Totally. That's totally fair comparison. It's kind of difficult because, you know, then we start talking about like, is it a really, really good copy?

You know, like how good a copy is it? Whereas in this example, you know, the JPEG that I'm looking at on this screen, I can. Right. Click and save it. And I get the exact same thing as the person who paid 70 million. Right. We get the exact same experience. And, you know, the Mona Lisa in the Louvre is a little bit different from a poster that doesn't have the exact brush marks or whatever.

So that's that's the only way you can you can always tell when you got a knockoff show. Can I? Definitely. I'll also just say, you know, JTA, these two fellows right here are notorious counterfeiters of my intellectual property and have paraded around, listen, have paraded around in public.

Right. And amassing fortune and wealth beyond your wildest dreams. You know, and I have not been cut in awe of what they call it, satisfied in any way by the nefarious segment.

That's just all that out. That's just ignorant.

That's all is true, except for the wealth part. He said he said he was going to work on his mouth. He said that. So he's going to work on his mouth. He wasn't going to curse and say bad things.

Now, listen to J.T.. Gee, I had nothing to do with that.

Nothing to do with J.T. Jay who or whom or what is buying these nets?

Who are the clay? So, I mean, this is a really good question, because part of the reason the nets have become so huge recently is that they're the crypto world has just been going crazy.

You know, crypto creeps that well, you know, you said it.

There's a lot of people who are suddenly very, very rich off Bitcoin and ether and they suddenly have a lot more liquidity that, you know, if you as soon as you put that into dollars, you've got a bit of a tax problem. So it would be better for you to keep it in cryptocurrency. So you want to just say you just say ether. Hmm. You say ether.

Ether is the currency that most entities are traded in. Yeah, it's called Ethereum. Ether is like the network. Yeah. Tom, I'm pointing at you hear what you just said. I'm pointing at your bald face.

But what she just said, what do you point about parking the money interested in currency over here.

Well, no, wait a minute. I have a question for you. I have light coin. How do we feel about Bitcoin? I'm just I'm trying to stay out.

I'm not trying to like, you know, I'm interested in you know, I want you to tell me right now the future of like, I hold on.

Don't ask me. Listen to you know, so again, you don't talk to me.

You don't talk to JT like that. Go ahead. JT Jr..

Who are you sorry for? Conway. He's buying into it.

You got up to, you know, people not crypto for tax issues, pulling their money and translating soever currency. So, again, I mean, know, isn't the tax issues right?

People who are into crypto people who think this is the future, I'm saying, you know, I want to do something with this. I don't want this just to be money that you can't do anything with. I want to do something with it.

And you allow them to to do stuff right. They can support people. And most importantly, also, they can get other people into the scene as well. You know, like this is bringing creators into the scene, people who have not been into crypto before, maybe and then able to support their work in many cases that they weren't able to support before.

And I think that's that's the thing that really interests me about this area, is this idea of like how creators are able to, you know. I guess like a like Seymours, like patroness, right, and more of the model of like supporting someone's artwork from from a more long term perspective rather than just speculation and going up and down type.

The Kings of Leon, do they just make their album available? And people just they bid on it like like an auction.

I believe that was just like they set a price and you you bought it. You can buy at that price and you still can until maybe Thursday. I think that's still up for. But they also like, you know, and if you don't have to be digital stuff. Right, the NFTE is just a token, just this token that means something. So something could be something in the real world. One of the things that was included in one of the things that was included, one of the packages that Kingslee sold, I think, was for front seat tickets to every single one of their concerts for life.

Right. I mean, obviously, like for a fan, that's incredible. And you can understand why people are really willing to, like, you know, to invest in that. And if people were doing that, things were huge. But if they were if it was a smaller artist, someone who's just getting off the ground, you can imagine how offering that to someone who's like a Megafaun now and believe they're going to go all the way is, you know, they could get it now and feel like I've really been able to support this person from the beginning.

And that's amazing, you know, for fans.

OK, so let me be devil's advocate really quick. Yeah. What is this doing for Ethereum itself and the guys who are Wale's like sitting on massive amounts of Ethereum are looking at this nifty play? What does this mean for them? I mean, that's a really good question. I think, obviously, if their aim is just like really up right now anyway, I'm not sure how much and it's a causing that there's lots of entities that are on a theory like maybe you guys know.

And the top shot. That's not a theory that's on a different flow. So there are other there are other block chains that are doing enough to you that their aim is just the one that most of the stuff is happening on.

Right. So a theory, what the one you just mentioned, any of these other kind of platforms, what is in it? How is NFTE is impacting, you know, their kind of bottom line? Is it is it is it feasible to say that, like, you know, how can we make this more valuable? Right. Like what? What can we do to make this more valuable?

Yeah, we'll float all the boats. Right. So this person will get, you know, get some money and that person will get some money and that person gets the money.

But in a way where because you have to keep, you know, like for artists. Right. Like you got to keep your money. You got to keep your money right. In kind of Ethereum or you got to do the process, you know, taking it out, trying to cash it out, getting hit with taxes and everything that comes along with that.

So it's like it's really like the incentivize is for you to stay in whatever. And I wanna keep saying theory, but whatever kind of coin that is based off of.

Right. Yes, so, I mean, the thing that I'm mostly seeing is a lot of artists are just putting that money straight into buying other other artists work. I see a lot of artists buying other attempts on these platforms, which is.

So it's all staying within the system. Yes, well, yeah, but OK.

So, yeah, you can see it as like obviously this is increasing value in various crypto currencies that are being used. But on another you know, in another way of looking at it, you know, if you're using a social network or something, that social network is much more valuable to you if you have more people on it. So what these people are doing is pretty reasonable. You know, if you're on Twitter and you like one the first time people on Twitter kind of crop experience, you want everyone to be on Twitter.

So you're like, come on, get involved. Like, I'll make it easy for you and I'll make it fun. That's kind of natural. So obviously, there's a financial element and I totally hear you. It's you know, it's getting a bit crazy. But I think that on a social level, I get what's happening. People, you know, want to be bold, jtr, and just come on out with it.

What am I supposed to do when I get my immediate. Can I put that put that on the black chain? Can I buy something? Would they accept cash?

How does that work? You have to transfer into some kind of cryptocurrency. I mean, I say you have to. You don't have to at all. I don't know, but money, money back, money back, Joe is sending me a check. You're not saying my point like I could get on Coinbase and get yourself some Mikoyan.

One thing I would say that we haven't talked about is that a lot of artists have been talking about this week is just the environmental cost.

Oh, no. We get in there. We're going to get there. We're going to get in trouble. We a million to that died way, way before we before we get there.

Before you get there. Let me ask about the other side, too. There's a seedy side to this before we get to the environmental side of it. Right. I mean, this is a place where, like, I could go rob a bank tomorrow and I could drop it all into and create a ton of Bitcoin and I could go buy stuff. And there would be no ramifications. Right. Because there is no validation of anything that is happening.

Is that an accurate statement?

And what do you mean? No validation?

Meaning I could I could take that money. It's in a way, it's kind of laundering money.

And in some ways it's like the worst way to launder money because everything is public. So whatever you do with it is going to be completely visible. But, you know, on the other hand. Yes, yeah.

But it's nobody to police it. All right. It's visible, but nobody is going to do anything about it.

Well, it depends, you know. What are you breaking? Yeah, I mean, no, if you take fiat currency and put it into crypto, that is a different thing. But I'm here to talk about additive. So I see she not saying she like what she did.

I don't know what you are getting into robbing banks. I don't know why we don't like it. Anyway, let's put this all back on the rails, J.T.. Right. Tom, you got to focus.

You got to focus on Big Tom, OK? Come on, stay in a price. Let them stop robbing banks. Please listen steady.

Be just calm down before we jump into an environmental piece. And that's one thing that's that's the elephant in the room with all of which bit cryptocurrency and including NAFTA. Right.

And I don't see a difference between NFTE and crypto like I think it's the same thing I think is somewhat of a facetious fallacy of a differentiation. Right. An attempt to. But it's still directly connected to a to crypto. Right. You said something about this is a social media, right.

It's not a social media.

Well, it's it's you said it's like they're treating it like a social platform. Right. You said there's the financial aspect, then part of them wanting to move the way they're moving with the theory. And it's the more people involved to get more are some more people a social piece, right.

It is that like a isn't that dangerous as hell. Right. To kind of like translate or try and treat money as a social medium? Or is that already just built into money that we look at money as being a social medium anyway?

I don't know, I mean, I'm kind of like looking at what we already have, you know, we've got networks like Tick Tock and Instagram where people are already creators, already see these things as monetized. It's not this isn't new. What is happening here is it's just being formalized. You know, people are being people are able to kind of like fractionalized ownership in something that they've created. And instead of having to, you know, make stuff, push it out there and, you know, create stuff maybe for a very long time without seeing any any interest or any financial recompense and having to go through advertising, et cetera.

You know, like this social media thing is not great for creators right now. And I think looking at how entities could formalize that relationship and make it so that there's a more direct relationship between, you know, I want to support this artist to that artist is getting paid. I mean, that is that's something that I just I think is kind of crazy in today's world to imagine that. So for me, it's not a social media.

I guess I'm just comparing those things as a way of like saying this isn't some whole new system that no one's ever thought of before. This is what we're all really kind of living.

And J.T., you could explain yourself to us, whatever, with us. I have many kids, and I was I'm none of the nonsense we talk about.

J.T., can can you please tell Tom how many bald eagles he has murdered with his possession of Licorne? Can you please let him know how many icebergs he's responsible for melting? Right. With the immense amount of cryptocurrency that he has in his in his nefarious, dangerous, earth killing wallet? Am I the only one with cryptocurrency on this call right now?

I have a I have a tiny bit it's I got a stomach burning a hole in his pocket, what you could do with the check is, you know, you could look at different types of cryptocurrency that maybe support your ethical obligations a little more.

So I'm not actually sure about it. But the main problem with the theory is that it's like this proof of work things. So we've got huge amount of waste happening every time every transaction happens. Right. And what is going to happen is that that is going to be replaced by a much more ecofriendly system that will be ninety nine point nine percent better, which is proof of stake. It's a technical thing.

And basically it just means that it will be much less wasteful. But it's just it's really complicated to transfer the whole network onto that. And they, you know, it's around the corner, but it's not quite there. But in the meantime, there are loads of other people working on this area. It's not like if there is the only thing, there's a lot of other block chains that are trying to make sure this happens. And also, it's like, you know, first, from my point of view, I never want to think that it's going to happen because it's environmentally better.

Like, I think people don't really tend to do those things. What it is going to be is cheaper and faster. And I think that is going to convince everyone and it's going to make it definitely happen. That's where I see it going.

So explain to me more how I'm killing bald eagles that you're telling me that just the production and of of of cryptocurrency is because of. Tell me more about the environmental impact, because I don't fully understand.

Right. So every time a transaction happens on the block chain, all these computers are competing to solve this problem. And they're competing so much that it's using up a lot of electricity such that it's using up like, you know, whole houses worth of consumption. I could find you some better figures. But, you know, the thing is also not not great. We don't have, like, perfect figures on this stuff, but it uses up a lot of electricity.

That's unambiguous.

So what so what use is more electricity? Thom's Bitcoin or my Tesla? I'm pretty sure it be the Bitcoin. That's not bitcoin, by the way.

I wish I had because I think it might sound like it doesn't matter. So it all uses up the same coin.

It's just the bitcoin is like the most wasteful if you're going to get any of them, if you want any of them to to not get that would be the one to avoid.

Bitcoin is like the diet version uses less energy.

It's much better for the environment. What is the ceiling on NFTE? Right. There seems to be a a limit on things. Right. Like a crypto in general. And then these offshoots of crypto and spin off. Right. It seems that there is a you can do anything until the end of time. Right. And then do there'll never be a but even a bitcoin has a I think a mathematical limit. Right. There's only so many coins that can be mined.

Right. But that doesn't mean that it kept those coins can't be speculated through the roof. Right. So like is is that the same thing with NFTE, that there is a limit in terms of how many can be minted or can we just start to maintain these things forever? And what does that mean from a scarcity standpoint? In a value standpoint?

That's a really good question. I don't actually know the answer, whether there's like and it's not a good question, but I mean, the way you're talking like a ceiling, I don't know if you're talking about, like the price ceiling or to talking about the scarcity ceiling, the skip both.

So the price ceiling and the scarcity ceiling, like do you see there being like Yodo just sold that for sixty nine million dollars.

Right.

And then the very next day an actual painting from like an actual master came up and it would only it was like, oh, you get like unsaturated six million, they're going to saturate it, they're going to saturate it like people do everything where they see dollar signs.

So from a pricing standpoint, do you see a ceiling? And then from a scarcity standpoint, like quantity amount of these that are actually going to be able to happen.

So so, again, the thing that I'm more interested in is less this kind of like speculation stuff of seeing like where you know, where the price can go. Amarasinghe this is like an alternative model of supporting artists. Right. So from that point of view, I don't think that price ceilings are really super helpful because I think most artists like, well, just have different different economics of what they need to weather, what they're going to make. Basically, I like the way you just put him in his place.

That was like gangbanging for real. Well, I mean, what we all want we all want artists to be paid for what they're doing properly and not go. These crazy I mean, you know, streaming, that's right, but isn't it metal is every artist worth 70 million dollars as every artist worth like six million dollars? And is it like are there are there artists who are like people who aren't artists who are making NFTE right, who are like tons of money and mopping up all of the kind of the low end?

When I mentioned how many can be minted and who's the buyers like, how much money is out there to be spent on these things to maintain these prices. Right. In a real serious way.

So is the most the same thing kind of like Spotify, like everybody on Spotify doesn't get played right, like whatever the value of it is, like there's four or five million songs sitting on Spotify that have never been played before. Right. Even by the artists who uploaded the thing on there. So it becomes like how much of it is really like how much of this is actually owned and being run and being capitalized on by a bunch of whales? And there's a limited amount of money from those dues or rich off crypto versus like the average artist.

Right. Who's probably going to spend more money in gas fees minting these things than how much they're going to be able to sell them for. Right. And it kind of defeats the purpose. So that's that was kind of like the core of my question.

I apologize for being so not I think it's fair, but I don't think it's for everybody.

Well, obviously, every artist isn't worth 70 million. That seems basic, right? I don't know that that seems obvious to me. But I do think that every artist like deserves to be paid for what they're doing. And really value is just about what we say it is. If we all say that things worth 70 million or if the people who have money say it's worth 70 million and ends up being worth 70 million.

And that's just like capitalism, right?

They got they got digital artists big in that space, you know, I mean, like a lot of people going to them, trying to get them to collaborate on some with them. It's just like everything else. Like everything else.

Just because you put an art on there, I don't mean it's about to be fucking you know, is about to go crazy.

The piece was like how much gold is actually in the ground, you know, because it comes across as if it's an unlimited resource. People don't even know about the weather where the coin comes from. Right. That it is this huge environmental impact. More electricity than whole cities is being used on one Bitcoin farm or, you know, crypto farm. So it becomes like there is scarce resources on one side. But as it kind of gets to the middle and the mainstream and majority of folks ideas and understanding of it, it's this limitless free for all kind of gold rush.

Right. And then on the other side of that is how much gold is actually in the ground for that to be rushed towards. Right. And how long before we start hitting ceilings, whether it be ceilings of regulation, maybe ceilings of like all those whales are out of money. Right? Like all they've spent, all their theory, you know, that they're willing to park in NFTE and then what's actually left for the artist and who should be getting first in line?

Should it be Jack Dorsey who's already worth billions and billions of dollars, or should he be giving that money towards an artists like a digital artist or somebody who's been working forever? Should he be giving that space, that auction block space? Right. And just promoting so that person gets paid versus him pulling in two million and whatever he's giving it to a charity or whatever, like maybe they'll give it to a charity, so to speak. Right. So like, I'm just interested in that kind of like, you know, dynamic.

Yeah, I mean, I guess I wasn't really thinking about the money running out.

I mean, you could all run out, but the more popular it's going to get, the more regulated it's going to get and then the more it is going to change. I mean, and if we're not going to have it never going to be this giant that would be less regulated in favor of the starving artist or.

Oh, I agree with that. It's not I mean, we'll be going to it's not going to be anything that says like moral compass or anything like that. It's just smoke cooptation, just like everything else.

You got a bunch of rich ass people buying new toys, buying new basketball and baseball cards to say, oh, look, I got it. That's it.

Let's do one that is accurate as to what it is right now. All I can say is that I you know, I'm aware of what's going on, the edges of the space, people who've been working on this for like five to 10 years who are saying, you know, that this is a different model and that we're invested in something more long term.

And then all the people who are, you know, rushing towards this stuff, I, I keep hearing people say, like, you know, I want artists to get into this now, you know, get into the space now before before it runs out. And I just feel like, no, why would you not take your time? And if you're an artist, surely you would want to make something that you know and use this tool in a way that really benefits your practice and what your what you're interested in showing the world?

I, I don't really get that, you know, chasing the. Chasing the gold rush thing, I think that they have time. Have you seen any any NFTE that you think are worthy of that type of like like anything that's been produced since that since this rush has happened over the past like month or so that you think you've seen anything that has been produced? That's my. Oh, wow. That's actually genuinely amazing and should be like heralded as being like a masterwork or something like that.

I think most of the projects that I've been most interested in have been like and have been like procedural ones, the stuff that changes when you when you interact with it, but when it changes hands or when it changes ownership. So like software works, really interesting area, things that are a bit more what's the word like less in your face? Maybe. I'm also really interested in you know, I'm a writer.

I'm really interested in how this is going to impact writers and how this might be, you know, journalism. The media is really has problems that I'm really interested in how this might change that space to and how writers might be supported in this way, as well as like visual artists, musicians, etc..

So I think that's something like a garage sale is not about having the best. It is unique, the uniqueness. So it is all to the individual, like it's in the eye of the beholder. Like somebody may see a pair of your socks and feel like that they are worth a million dollars. Who are you to tell it? Tell them that is not worth a million dollars. Yes. Art to them.

So they get to buy it and they get to have it. And I got Lou, look, I got loopier socks and somebody may look at them and go, yo, you crazy. And somebody else might go, Buck, I wish I had no socks, you know. So like a up and coming artists, like a digital artist or something like that, I would just suggest to continue to sell your art just in the digital art space and not fuck with the NFTE.

But but where where would you sell your work? No, I'm saying sell it, sell it in the digital art space, if you're talking about just because Leupp made a point earlier where he was basically saying somebody like the Dorcy, gosh, it should, like, give that space to somebody that's really like up and coming talented, you know what I mean? Like, you got this is a tweet we're talking about. But that's to me. To me, that's how unique in that space is.

It's just unique. It's not really even about being better. It's just unique. Yeah.

I mean, I would say one thing that's really, you know, sells is anything that is to do with crypto. So because everyone's into crypto, the thing that's really, you know, pervades the space everywhere. As you see, there's the Bitcoin logo. You see, like, you know, like Meems from inside the this world. It really is like, you know, everyone wants to see this world reflected back. And that seems really sad to me, because if you want to get, you know, different people involved, you want to get like, you know, you want this to be a real, like space that's speaking to other people.

You know, I'd really like to see more stuff coming from outside the crypto space and that space.

Don't don't worry. Rappers are going to ruin that roof. I'm waiting and waiting.

Is that how much how much of it is actually art and how much of it is man like. You know, Thomas Jefferson on our right, Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson on a 20 dollar bill, you know, just kind of like utility versus like this is meant to be a work of art. Well, I don't know who says what I like about it. I feel like I said, how do you define a work of art? Let's not get too far down the rabbit hole.

Like, how much of these things are like Mona Lisa's and how much are these are just people just doing stuff to make money. You know, like from what? From what you see from from right now. Like, how much of it is it? Like actual digital art is creating digital works versus like. Oh yeah, I'm just take a picture of Tom's cat and see what happens.

Yeah. I mean, obviously there's there's some people who are trolling, but I think the vast majority is people who have like, you know, pretty incredible skills using CGI digital tools that are really not served by the gallery system, by like other art spaces. And this is a chance for them, for their skills to be really and that that artistic vision to be really appreciated. Like people. This guy who sold 70 million, 60, 60 Minutes, you know, he was he was doing like the visuals.

He was doing superball visual stuff. He was doing like, you know, other kinds of illustration. And Louis Vuitton had his stuff on and on a collection. You know, it's it was adjacent to the art world, but no one ever treated it as art. And I think, you know, where do you draw the line? What do we see as craft versus and skill versus like actual art? It is a very good question, but I don't I mean, the contemporary art world doesn't have an answer for this.

Like, it's well, I mean, we don't just what they what they do have is provenance. Right. And you just mentioned all of people's provenance. So, again, maybe we can't define what that piece of art is, but we can define at least what goes into the majority of people who operate in the gallery system isn't whether they're alive or dead. Right. There's always an attempt to create a certain level of provenance. And so people versus like Royce, the fight, not numbers.

That versus Tom Wright. Is that. Yeah, because people actually did digital graphics for the Super Bowl. He did digital graphics for Louis Vuitton. He did digital graphics for this. He did describe it as I did a whole lot to get into just using you as a placeholder. Right. Versus, you know, like you said, the troll guy who just who just hops on and is there that do we do are we actually supposed to just consider that on the same level or put that on the same level as a people just because this person knows how to use, you know, Photoshop and knows how to use like some type of animator's software when you have folks that are in this space who have been doing it for 15, 20, 30 years, is that type of hierarchy and provenance, you know, does that validate more?

Validate less, I guess?

Well, you know, I think on some level we want it to be open because we don't want to, like, exclude people who might just be starting out or whatever. But I do I hear what you're saying. You want to you want to differentiate, but you also want to keep it open. Like if Tom starts, you know, making cool shit tomorrow, like, I'm trying to do that.

And it's not, you know, why they keep on Fruity Loops. That's the whole point, is trying to like get rid of this gatekeeping, get rid of the the idea that, like, there's some person in the middle who's going to he's going to tell you your work's not worth something and someone else is going to say you like is worth something. You know, people's work wasn't worth anything until he started making it to like and they didn't care at all.

And suddenly they go, oh, no, wait, this is because it's expensive. It's not like no one no one is even trying to pretend that's not true.

That is the situation. So it's just about what other people think it's worth, and as soon as someone thinks it's worth something, the world is going to be there is a 100 percent.

How is this going to change music if Kings of Leon did what they did? Do you think this is going to have a greater impact?

Totally. Yeah, definitely.

In what way do you think and I know you don't want it's a speculation, but I mean, so at the moment, as we discussed, the Internet is not selling any kind of copyright or anything. Then they're not selling any rights to it. It's just literally like having some bragging rights. But I think something that is would be really interesting. The future is seeing seeing the way that rights are dealt with now dealt with. And it is like music is something is hugely collaborative.

Right. Like you could it would be really easy to split, you know, songwriting credits, all this kind of stuff could be split by entities. It could also be, you know, these things are being sold off at the moment as well. A lot like a lot of artists are doing that. So, like, that's something that could also be, you know, done on the block chain. And that could be, you know, if you imagine this stuff also happening at the beginning of people's careers.

Right. When they when they haven't. Got a huge following, and they just have a few fans who think, yeah, what you're doing is crazy, like imagine the craziest project, right, that a musician wants to do and they need some time to get it done. And they have five fans. But those fans are like diehard. Those projects are something that could happen using Nettie's rather than the traditional system, which currently now, you know, you have to be huge before already before someone pays any attention.

So that financial support having that at the beginning of careers, I think that's what I'm really interested in. Well, that's what I hope will happen.

But I'm sure there will be all sorts of terrible and awful things that happen instead of looking forward to losing a Grammy.

I mean, maybe one came back around the Golden Circle, back o the Grammys circle back, made that revolution around the sun.

Let's let let's let T.J. off the hot seat for a second, T.J., I do want to hear I want to hear about your upcoming project and your upcoming work. You're working on a book right now, right? Tell us about that.

Oh, I'm sorry. Took me a book. Yes. Yes, sir. So, yeah, I'm I'm pretty interested in work, as far as you can imagine, between the relationship between art and technology.

Looking at how I've been starting looking at the last year, how are the way that we have been seeing through the pandemic has been shifting and what that means about what we're what we count as real, what we see as valuable in terms of interactions, in terms of artworks and how technology has kind of like been getting in the way or mixing up that relationship. So, yeah, I've been working on that for the most of the pandemic.

When you when you go to projects like that, you go to print, make sure that you make a version specifically for the city of Detroit, which is where was and what that version make sure you saw solved a streaming problem to what it is, is you have to make a version where the inside is cut out in the shape of a gun so you can hide a gun in it. Right. And then and then be able to. Detroit was the Detroit version of the book.

That's that's you sell five hundred thousand of those just right off the bat in Detroit alone.

Can we put a can we put a door on the block trying to work on people being on it. They just they just go after each other. Jose, thank you for joining us to tell people where they can find you, if you can find me on Twitter at joked on the school day.

All right. Well, thank you. Thank you for the knowledge. Thank you for joining us.

Thank you. Thank you. Bye. Santa Jose. A lot of inside jokes and a lot of criminal references. Yeah, I'd say you need to work on that a little.

Oh, me. You're talking to me. I'm talking a steady beat out there. Who's that? Oh yeah. Steady. Be like, yo, you still know where I stand.

Yeah. You do have on the most Eastern European mafia outfit I've ever seen, just fly right now. I got my loop on my shirt, then I got my. Yeah. And it is pure like you by the way. I took care of that for you. You know that thing I did.

I did that thing for you. Look like he's smuggling caviar.

I'm smuggling of caviar. No, I thought that was interesting. I still don't know where I stand on this issue, but I thought it was interesting.

I mean, many ways to think about it. You don't know where you stand on what issue, NFTE and just general. Oh, I just don't know, I think I think she's kind of personally I think ultimately she's going to be a little naive because I think it's going to ultimately go in a direction that I don't know if it'll be any better than where we're at right now.

Hmmm, would it be better, NFTE, meaning, meaning? No, I'm talking purely in the music industry, purely with artists I think will continue to kind of get industry, get the shaft shaft.

There's one there's two ways to look at it. Right. There's like the speculative get money side and then there's like the utility of what the technology actually will provide. Right. So it may be something that just makes better workflow. Right. Makes workflow easier. Right. Makes certain contract the way contracts are processed that much more easier, that much more transparent. It doesn't necessarily mean that that contract isn't still going to be like some shitty fucking contract that you signed with some Mafioso.

Right. It still may be that at its core, but it's just easily more easily stored, more easily processed. So it might be that side as well. Changing gears for a minute.

I know you're a boxing fan, right? Did you see one of the boxers I grew up watching? The marvelous Marvin Hagler died this past week at age 66.

All right, Peter, the legend, I mean, a total legend.

I can remember the fights with Sugar Ray Leonard. And what was it, Thomas Hit Man Hearns. Mm hmm. I mean, that's that's what I remember.

I remember that as boxing when I grew up.

Mm hmm. Yeah. Because it was on it was on television.

CBS, I guess that's why, too, because we all had access to it. We all watched it before everything turned to.

Mm. Yeah.

Like my you start taking people for a ride, you know, you take you know you we have, we will just watch boxing you know, you know now you're robbing banks and shit.

Remember they used to remember I used to stop the news today. Bu Michael Jackson's videos. Remember that it was Michael Jackson's brother, it would be like a full on news, guys. OK, we're going to pause from this, you know, this breaking story, because we have to get the world into the debut of Michael Jackson's new video.

Michael Jackson was a NFTE, he was a fucking enfeeble, oh, man.

Rest in peace to the Haggler, Marvin Hagler and Marvin Hagler and 66.

He was just like that. Guys like that never really liked him too much. Classic is too much classic footage out there. You live here. His legacy. Live ever. Plessy was built just like me, exactly like me.

He looked a lot like you said, I was like we had the same workout regimen, you both a magic spoon and this fucking guy got.

You also realize it's been officially one year since this since it's been recognized as this pandemic a year ago, is when this when we all started really staying at our homes a year, we think we saying happy birthday. You ready to whom did you get a cake to the pandemic? To the devil, they can't do a happy birthday pandemic, as so many people, actually a moment of silence would be best for all the people who suffered and went through heavy sickness.

The people, of course, the people passed away and people who lost family members. So as we do recognize this year, officially, you know, officially the year of the pandemic want to send prayers and condolences to everyone who has been impacted in one way or another by the pandemic. A lot of people lost their jobs. A lot of businesses are gone forever. But more importantly, family members and friends and loved ones have left this world some needlessly, some who, you know, didn't have a choice, you know, and, you know, want to recognize those fallen all around the world, not just here in America, to just everywhere around the world.

And this places in the world that are still going through it, whereas still like as if this was a year ago, there's no difference. Right. There's still, you know, crazy amounts of cases, crazy deaths and stuff like that. Still can't come off the gas too much and still want to keep the eye on the prize of kind of eradicating coronavirus from the world, at least for the for the foreseeable future.

For sure. Beautifully put. It's been a crazy year, though we would have never thought a year ago that a year later we would still be dealing with this, I say has been the kind of year where you can't have a moment of silence.

You got to have a moment of Holloran Talita from the rooftops a year from now. Are we are we still walking around with masks on? How do you think society will change or do you think we're going to bounce back and all of a sudden everybody's going to be in the stands at a baseball game, not wearing masks. Everybody's going to be out and about.

Everybody's going be traveling like what I've appreciated about the last year, even though it has been horrific, is it did slow us all down a little bit and you kind of kind of rethought about what you've been up to and what you've been doing in the hustle of the daily life.

So I need I need some money. That's what this is all that's what this is all coming down to. All right, I'm just going to be on you. You want to get back out on the road, right?

You want to start? No, no, I don't want to get back out on the road. I want shit to stop being so weird. I want my money. I want my money. I think I think a year from now you won't have you. I don't think you see, I don't think masks are going to survive the end of the year through the end of this year. I think it'll you'll see masks kind of coming off in a way sooner than later.

But I do think they'll be part of the world still dealing with this in a very serious way. Watching these variance is a real serious thing and then seeing how these vaccinations go and stuff like that. So I don't see masks being around this time next year in a serious way. But I will, you know, advise people to now just maybe keep keep one in your car from here on out. You know what I'm saying? You treat it like, oh, I definitely think, you know, like keep keep one make that a part of the glove box or the backpack or the purse or the fanny pelander.

You went back to a situation where you put it on.

You got to think like, you know, flu is real, you know, think that anybody have the flu flu kind of like went down the common cold, like all people.

All common cold. Yeah. I haven't had a cold all winter. Yeah.

Cause you've been knock on wood. What folks do in other countries when they get sick, they put on a mask, you know, they treat it as if they don't want to get anybody else sick. So I just think it's a great behavior to keep and pick up, especially since we know the impact of what could possibly happen. Just something randomly happens, you know, something that mutates and somebody and you're on the bus or playing with them. So I'll probably be keeping a mask with me from here on out and I'll probably be wearing a mask, you know, when I feel like it, you know, if I feel like I'm in a position where I want to just throw this mask on because I feel a little ways and that's what I'm you know, I'm on the at the airport.

On the plane. On the long flight. Yeah. I'll be the first to admit a year ago, a year and a half ago, if I saw somebody walk on a plane with a mask, I would say, what's this knucklehead doing? And now I look back and think we should have all been doing that for a long time.

Did you fucking whack the guy? Took him out?

I took a.

Listen, I wear masks. I will wear the masks, as you say, so loopy. But I'm not wearing condoms.

That's not what lead me out of that shit. Taking it young or taking it too far.

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