The Luban ratio to say what media production, the presenting sponsors Blue Microphone. What are this Lupe Fiasco rapping, Yo, what up, this is Royce to five nine also. And this is Tom Frank, just a regular dude and you're listening to the and. Right. Shelly, you ended up getting a sort of course, I got it this morning. You did.

I want to see it. I'm not. I know. Why not? I saw it because I got to walk all the way over it and take it off the stand and take it out the the the wrapping thing. And then I got to show it to you and all this sort come to you to come in like in a box.

FedEx show up with it. Yeah. Like a person I know if it's FedEx, but I mean I mean that's a weapon.

You can't just put a weapon through regular.

Was the delivery guy wearing a Caradog. I don't even see it. I just heard like like beeps on a machine like beep beep, beep, beep, beep. Then I heard like a loud thud on my porch.

It was like this bastard just slung my sword on on the porch. I knew it was coming today though. So that's how I know is my sword.

You're telling me they leave a a sword, an actual weapon, just sitting on your front porch, a box, the boxes and shaped like a sword.

It's about. I don't know. I don't know. Because that's how your mind. That's how my mind works. Yeah. It's a big stick. It is. And this is a source. It makes no it this is very sharp.

Oh. Like whatever's in here is very sharp and it's like a skull and crossbones. Yeah.

They actually leave your packages. They don't like do you. How they do me. They never leave my packages, they just leave stickers on the door. You need to move into a better neighborhood.

It's not I'm not talking about in my house.

I'm talking about a studio here. You need to get a studio in a better neighborhood, semi, semi, listening to better neighbors.

I mean, Royal Oak is an amazing neighborhood.

I've been as beautiful as you want me to move my studio. The Royal Oak. Yeah. Nobody told you to open up a multimillion dollar studio in the depths of the ghetto, but I think they got something against me, man. I think it's a personal thing against me. They don't want me to have my packages.

I think they don't want anybody else to have your packages. That might be it. Like if you lived in a good neighborhood, they might just had the studio in a good neighborhood. I think they would just leave.

But if they feel like it's not even the neighborhood, it's not even a neighborhood man, it's like an industrial area. Nobody still in packages over here.

I've once stole the door off of a house in Detroit, put it in the back of my car. For what reason?

Why did you do that, you mean?

Well, I mean, that's a legitimate question. Why would you do that? I needed a door. I need a door. You got any extras? Detroit has many doors, clearly.

Yeah, but they all attached to houses. You said you got doors.

I was in Detroit and was looking was working on like an art project with actually Jessica CareMore. All right, the poet who's based in Detroit, a wonderful, wonderful poet, and for some I got up there for some reason and we were we were talking about doing a a just this art exhibit just for the sake of doing it. And one of the exhibits, you know, for some reason required a a door. And I was like, hey, where can we get a door?

And I was like, off one of these houses, Home Depot Home take off and just home. Home Depot, however, is not one of our sponsors.

Then then I only steal from my sponsors. So now there was a person out in Detroit with no door. Oh, no, the house was completely abandoned. Completely run down. It was probably more snow in the house than it was outside. You ever squatted in the house and people thought that it was vacant, so they took they stole the door.

So you're squatting in Detroit? No, I don't have squat in my history. Oh, Councilman, you never know that.

You might have had one of those moments where you just say, I'm homeless. I need to. But Detroit has so many homes. You know, I have I have been homeless, but.

Never squat it, I can always find a friend's house to sneak in, you know, spend the night over somebody's house. Isn't that squatting? There are no squatting is when it's a bed.

Squatting is just when you just take something, you just take an abandoned house and just you just decide it's yours. Now, you're just going to go in there like, oh, this is mine now.

Yeah. So under those auspices, recognizing, really assessing that this place was abandoned, they had a really nice door. I only think the door was really attached to the hinges that will anyway. And I just went in and took it, put in the car and dropped it off at the at the artist house.

And that was just a story.

That's an amazing story. Thank you. Glad you enjoyed it.

We got a lot of things going on in the world today.

Can I bring up can I bring up some more sensitive things that were sensitive, was more sensitive than stealing someone's door? Like that's very sensitive. Do you know Chadwick Boseman? I want to I want to talk about him for a second.

Hi. Yes. Very much rest in peace. Black Panther. I mean, did you know?

No, I didn't know. I didn't know how not only was he the Black Panther, but he also played Jackie Robinson in 42.

Really good film. Saw it on a plane. As you know, Chadwick, I never got a chance to meet him.

I never even seen him around before. But big fan. That's a that's a that's a big one. That's a big loss.

How about the Black Black Panther? We've talked about Black Panther before. You like that them? Yes, that's a great movie. I don't really see Black Black Panther all the way through. You didn't watch the whole movie. Just watch the beginning. I don't need to.

We don't need to if I'm. What I need to watch of horse already. Great. I don't need to be great.

Wait, wait, wait. What do you mean the movie itself.

The concept itself.

And how well did it did was just a message to black people how well something can perform as long as we support it in solidarity.

So I didn't need to watch it. It's already great. OK, exit out of a lot of movies when I'm watching them, like very rarely can I watch a movie all the way through. But I was watching it, it was great, I thought it was great before I started to watch it, and it wasn't a movie that I felt like I needed to watch all the way through was always already great. It's already it's already a legacy act.

But at what point in the film did you exit out, as you said?

I never have a particular exit point. One day I might sit down, I might watch it all the way up until, you know, I see like a bunch of beautiful black women. And I might get on the phone. Then I might come back another date and I may just be flicking through the channels and I catch it from when they're like everybody's all muscular and cut up. And I'm like, oh, I'm watching it. And then I maybe I may go do something else.

Then I might see it from another place. Point I'm making is it was already great before all of this. So before I have seen anything, I was already tweeting about how great it was. I don't understand why you don't understand what I'm saying, sir.

So how many times have you have seen Black Panther?

More than I care to remember. I've seen it tons of times. I just never seen it all the way through. All the way through.

So you don't know what happened that day in the Black Panther? Basically tried me. Lupe Fiasco. Go ahead. Me.

OK, what happened at the end? The Black Panther. Spoiler alert, ladies and gentlemen.

Like which part? You don't know what you're taught. Watch what you're talking about. You got to be more specific. I'm talking about the end of the. A lot of things happen.

Are you talking about like what do you mean storyboard wise or what does it mean?

Yes. Give me some of the multiple strands of the end of Black Panther, the multiple potential nine potential.

What really happened, you name it. Yes, I'm listening to Joe.

Have you ever seen the end of any movie ever? Yeah, blame movies such as what's your top movie that you actually watched all the way through?

Probably five heartbeats, only the greatest of the greatest thing to ever happen to cinema ever in the history of movies. Five heartbeats. Absolutely.

Watch. I really do. But I've never I've never seen it. Oh, you need to watch it then. Why not? I just. I've never seen it. Do you have a saying in the shower? Yeah, I'm a great singer in the shower. Well, you can't be a great singer in the shower to be, what, five heartbeats. I'm sorry to let you know that.

I will I will watch the five heartbeats. It never crossed my mind to watch five heartbeats.

Do you think there was a failure at the marketing level that it never penetrated your lily white circle?

It's what early 90s? Doesn't matter when it was. Well, I'm just saying back it's 91.

OK, so we're clear. So we're clear. You have a TV, right? You have a TV. OK, OK, I got a few TV. OK, who.

OK, now we got that you're you're both recommending that I go and watch the five heartbeat.

First of all, I'm not I'm recommending that you get a TV hit the first. That's an acronym stands for television. You got to get one of those. Get a TV.

I will, I will watch the five heartbeats. Watch it to the end. I'm going. Don't be late. If I watch a movie, it's from beginning to end.

I've seen some of it. I think I've seen it all the way through. The Five Heartbeats is like a Grown-Up people's movie.

So maybe you are a little bit more mature than I was and got sucked into it.

Or you in a family that actually was like, hey, we got to watch our beat back in the day we were watching like action films and like crime dramas. So I'm saying all of like the black crime dramas. That's what we were watching.

So like juice straight out of Brooklyn, which is terrifying, terrifying film for me in any way. And Sugar Hill was watching like New York City. Now, I do like New York City.

Not only have I seen New York City, but I went up to to a studio one time to see CGY from from naughty by nature. And I've seen Wesley Snipes and Leah both in the same room.

Oh. Oh, wow. Blue. Yeah, yeah. SKG SKG Divinia are very drunk. I caught Wesley Snipes Neno and he didn't like that too much. And I went up the line, I went up there and I tried to like, you know, you know, one of those little one of those first devices that they made where you could, like, film stuff and do like videos really quick and then plug them right up. USB to your computer.

Yeah, I remember what it was I was trying to do, like a video with Leon, and he was just like, not right now. And I remember just really, really, really thinking to myself, like, I should beat this motherfucker's ass because I'm so drunk, so drunk.

I don't know what came over me.

I almost forgot he was Leao for a minute. I was like, This is the guy from your favorite movie of all time? Exactly. I don't teach you how to sing in the shower.

You were finding that and you meet this man in addition to another amazing, phenomenal black actor. And because he tells you not right now. He didn't tell you? No, he said not right now. Your first thought was often the beat his motherfucking ass.

Yeah, because we're not his motherfucking ass. I'm going to beat this motherfucker's ass. It's that's the difference.

But I was thinking to myself, you know, like, when a guy is such a good actor, you know, you think of all of the things that he did great in a movie, but you also think of the things that he did in the movie to piss you off. I like how he played in a movie, you know, I mean, so I kind of want to fuck him up just for how he did his brother in the movie.

You know, but that's a movie, though, that's a medium in real life. I was drunk, so I don't know why actors always have a problem with like when they when they do such a classic role, they have a problem with you bringing that up. So Wesley Snipes was like a man who played a lot of roles since NENO. So wait, stop you.

You can't do this. Why not? First of all, it's a sacred space. No, it's not.

You meet people. People see me all the time and go, hey man, I love boom. I don't go there. I was like in 1999. I've done something that's not cool to do.

Wait, so you're saying it's not OK to go up to an actor and talk about a for a past movie of his?

I would say not in the sacred space. Like the studio. Like maybe like not and definitely not initially. Like straight up off the bat.

I think you would have to kind of see if they're interested in getting to talk about Wesley Snipes was in the process and he had a bunch of people like in a room, and it was like he had something up on a screen and he had everybody looking at it. And everybody was quiet staring at the center of the screen.

And he was talking just like Bruce Lee. And he was going now see the water, the water. He kept referring to water. It's water.

And he was trying to describe something really deep about water. You know how Bruce Lee used to be like, you got to be water, you got to you got to be water. Like he was trying to like he was talking like the karate master.

It was really weird. So I think when I interrupted him and called him Nino, I think that he wanted me to call him Bruce Lee, because that's what you're doing at the moment.

I'm starting to take your side now.

If he was deep into water or I'm thinking that he was putting on a very engaging presentation and maybe a pursuit of his that we may not be completely aware of, but he is there seems to be a very spiritual brother.

And you come in and say, ain't he trying to teach a guided meditation course? You come in smelling like Hennessy. Listen, first of all, the Rice Krispie fantasy, and it was Petrona and Wesley Snipes. If you're watching, I know you know a lot of karate, you can kick my ass, then I'll be different.

Listen, I say Mr. Snipes in Puerto Rico one. It's pretty cool. And did you call it Nino Brown?

No, I did not. Not because I respected the space. Did you at least say hello?

I don't even remember if I said hello. I definitely didn't call him Nino. Nino, like I'm a beat your mom like an ass. Like, I didn't do that.

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Yes, sir. Jacob Blake, I want to I want to hear your thoughts. Yeah.

I mean, we just we just us as black men, we're just being attacked. What America is doing is they're finding loopholes and shit like that. Instead of just looking at the obvious, they shot the man in the back eight times. They saying that he had a knife in the car, that they found a knife in the car. So fucking what what does that have to do with anything like the law is you can't use excessive force unless you are in imminent danger.

Your life is in imminent danger. There's no way for your life to be in imminent danger with somebody back to you unless he's going to grow arms out of his back and you're going to throw the knife over his head and catch it with the arms that you just grew out of his back and then attack police somehow that way.

But there's plenty of footage of white people being pulled over by the police and doing all kinds of crazy shit. And they don't get you know, even it doesn't even seem like it's a thought of excessive force in their heads. Yeah. So that's that's my problem. My problem is the justice being not being doled out equally. And everybody needs to know all of the fucking facts whenever it's a black person. I don't like that.

They're just looking at sports. Do you think that that is a an eye opener to have people come out and like literally shut down leagues to stop and make people think it's like it's like a last resort type of thing?

It shouldn't be necessary. You shouldn't have it shouldn't have to come down.

It shouldn't be necessary. But do you think that was a a positive thing? I think it was a positive thought, but not not continuing it out and kind of like I don't want to use the word faux. So I'm sorry for lack of a better term, but to, you know, to just kind of vote and get right back out there, it kind of defeats the purpose. You know, like when you make that kind of stand there, stand in solidarity, that's something that you have to stick to.

And that's when you do that, that means that you have their attention, so at that moment now it's time to start making demands with like a clear narrative. You know, like everybody's not just yelling and complaining all at the same time, but actually saying, OK, this is this is the contract we need with America between America and black people in order for us to continue to perform. How do you actually do that?

You know, these athletes all stopped their respective sports and everything was cancelled. But I don't know if they have any clue of what to do next. They got everybody's attention. And then, as you said, they literally just went right back to work. Yeah, they have it. But I think it's because they. What what do you do? Like what? What would you actually do?

I think they know what to do. They know what to do, but they get it. There's a lot of incentives. There's a lot of incentive incentivize ways to get them to to go back to doing what they were doing. You know, there's a lot of people there's a lot of people that they use as liaisons to go talk sense into him. You know, you're saying that you've seen the headline, you know, Obama, Obama talks to LeBron, boom.

Next thing you know, back to Houben. Yeah. In the world can go back in the country, can go back to being corrupt. And you know what that's going to lead to? You're going to that's going to lead to the people who don't who feel that they don't have a voice protest and more and more things are going to get burnt down, you know what I mean? And then more people have more militias are going to be out there killing people, especially if this kid get off with murder.

If he get off with murder, this is going to incentivize more people for militias to go kill more people. I don't understand what that's how is that solving anything? You know what I mean?

Yeah. I mean, if nothing else, this is all making us all talk about things, right? You and I are talking about this right now. When would we have ever talked about this unless this just happened?

I feel like we've been at that. We've been at that point for the whole pandemic. You know, like there's been a lot of things that happen.

It forces narrative. And I just feel like now it's time to go from narrative to action.

Action. Yeah.

And then, you know, the way the things are happening, the way to date, they shot that kid in the back like that. It just doesn't look like. The people who are supposed to care just doesn't look like they care. That's not policing, that's not policing or any or any level.

And I know a whole bunch of police officers. I'm super I'm super tight with a whole lot of high ranking officials. And all of them told me that's not that's not policing. That's not how you police.

Yeah. I just took a gun class because I'm getting my, my, my, my gun license, I just took the class last month and, you know, the guidelines for which you can carry and for which you can use it.

It's very similar to the same guidelines that the police officers have to adhere to, but police officers actually held to a much higher standard because they've actually been trained, you know, and it's like you can't overkill somebody you shoot to put the person down. You use you use excessive force to put him down and that's it. You can't even shoot somebody in your house eight times. They shot him eight times and they shot him in the back. In the back.

If somebody comes into your house and you have a licensed firearm and they if they have loopier fiasco's VCR and they're running out and they're running out the door, Lupe Fiasco can't shoot him in the back to get his VCR back, you know, even if he has a knife hanging from his belt.

No, that's not that's your interpretation of the law, which is one side of it. That's not what the law says. And that's definitely not what the law says about police. And there's nothing there's no difference whether they're running towards you, running away from you. If you if somebody is in the process of a felony, an action of a felony, and you are the police officer is at their discretion to the amount of force that they use. But they're well within their bounds to shoot someone in the back, in the chest and the head, whatever it is, to stop someone that they feel is either on their way to get a weapon, has some type of weapon that they can't see.

They have improperly searched this person. And it may be that this person has, like they said, admitted to having something. They just don't know where it is. Right. So that's what the law says and that's been going back, you know, that's from law that I read from 19 from 1950. Right, and it was the different circumstances in which you can use that force in a misdemeanor situation and in a felony situation, and it changes and it all comes down to the discretion of the officer in that period of time, because the officer is the only the officer and the suspect are the only ones who know that situation the most.

Nobody else knows. The judge doesn't know. The D.A. doesn't know. The protesters don't know. The people who are fully informed and fully experts about those situations are the people that are directly involved with it. Right, not to do with one camera angle from over here, another one came over and over there because all of the camera angles show that one specific perspective. But none of those camera angles showed a police state of mind that person's state of mind, how the police officer read the situation, how the person was responding to the situation.

So I have police officers in my family now. My dad was a police officer, assistant police officer. My two brothers are police officers. So I'd go through it in a certain intimacy the same way you have. And I have tons of I know mayors and and different folks like that as well. And there is a certain set of protocols which some police bend to their favor for sure. And there's there are times when police let people go. Right, there's a there's footage of a of a dude in Atlanta who was at the mall, black dude, everybody's black police officers, black people are black, he's black, everybody's black.

Dude has a backpack. He he he's getting like he's being confronted by somebody in the mall. I mean, there's no sound, so you don't know what's happening, but it's just one shot. Do does people antagonize him? He gets into a fight. Who starts and who doesn't know? Who doesn't know? The dude pulls a Dracul, which is a mini AK 47 out of his out of the backpack that he has on starts waving it around.

Right. Police walk up. You know, he gets down, they put cuffs on him, take the gun. I guess they're talking, talking, talking. He uncovered the God gives him the gun back. Right, because the whole the whole situation is legal for him to have the gun. It was legal for him to pull it out in a way that he had it, it was concealed, etc, etc, etc., and a Dracul, which even though it's a mini AK 47, is still considered to be a pistol.

Not an assault rifle. Right is sold as a pistol, right? So just because it's a big ass pistol doesn't make it a machine gun, even though it should be considered a machine gun. I know this because I have multiple Draco's right. So the law bends in certain cases and the discretion of the cop leans to certain places and they operate in the moment. And depending on how they feel about the assailant, depending on how they feel that day.

You think if that was a white police officer and that black man pulled that go out, do you think that black man would be living today? I don't know if there's other cases where black dude or black cops do pulls the guns out and they shoot him 20 times because the circumstances that this person. Right. Was actively being antagonistic and was a threat and the police felt that he was a threat and those black cops shot him.

I know what we better not see. We better not see a black police officer kill an unarmed white man. That's what we better not see. You're going to see what real outrage looks like. You're going to see with real, real outrage. Looks like it. And I want to see I want to see how how you're going to respond to that Lupe Fiasco. What do you mean?

I'm inspired by the law. I'm a respond the same way I'm responding right now. It's one thing to understand your feelings. It's another thing to understand the narrative is not I'm not speaking out of my feelings when I'm not saying that you are.

I just paraphrasing the law as it as it was being explained to me by the people who I know who are in law enforcement. I haven't read law books and shit like that, but I know I know when I took the gun class, the guidelines that they told me that needed to be followed by the law, by citizen carrying a gun. And then they also talked about the same guidelines that the police needed to adhere to. This came from a DEA agent.

So I don't know, right at the same time to a lot of police officers don't know. The law is not their job to know the law. What right. I'm talking about all the statutes and all of this because it's a job that's the job of the DEA. Why would they not have to know the law?

They're not lawyers, but they do want to know what they have to enforce. How can you enforce laws if you don't know laws? There's a certain set of they're looking for crime, right, and it's up for them to observe at the best of their abilities if a crime is being.

How can you if a crime is appropriate? Because the problem is that this person break into this person's house when I pull up. Right. I'm get a call. There's a guy breaking into my house. Do you come up and observe a guy? We all know breaking into your house is a crime. You know, robberies, a crime. You know, rape is a crime. You know, murder is a crime on some specific things like this do commit computer fraud.

How can you know specific things about laws if you don't know the law, but the commission of the commission of a violent act. It's not that many, right? It's a few isn't like it's hundreds, but there's hundreds of laws, hundreds, hundreds of statutes. Right.

And it's not impressed upon a cop, a street cop to know all of that. That's why we have cops who go to law school. Right. And to your point about and I brought that up just to say that some of the worst the worst trained. And the worst interpreters of the law are police, and that comes from. People who sell guns to the police so police, police can buy guns.

This is a little bit different here in California, but in Illinois, we got the same access to what police have access to. Like there's no separation of what the police have. And what we have in California is different.

So you can go and you can go into a gun store here. And there's a whole nother section that unless you're law enforcement, you can't even go into. Right. You're stuck with kind of civilian the civilian stuff.

But in Illinois, because everybody has the same access, everybody shops at the same places. And I have a very good rapport with what a few gun dealers in Chicago. And they're like the worst people that come into the store who do not know what the fuck they doing are the police.

They don't know how to handle a gun. They don't like literally. They come in and like they'll take their gun out and hand it to do it and be like, hey, can you help me fix this?

And it was like, yo, what the fuck are you doing right now? You just don't come in here and operate like that. I don't give a fuck if you got a badge because the badge doesn't matter if you're going to accidentally discharge and kill somebody in the store.

Right.

So you will be surprised that some of the most well trained, the most well understanding of the law and how to operate in and around and above the law are those same militias probably know more about the law and the fucking police do.

I mean, let's be honest, a lot of the people that that end up becoming cops, too, and this is not to say anything bad, but they might not be the the lawyers, the smartest people, the people that have actually memorized every law there is. I mean, they know enough to do their job. I actually agree with you on this one. But what I don't agree with you. And they get a call. They get a call and they got to do it.

But back back to the Jacob Blake thing. Just I have to say this, though. At the end of the day, whether it's right or wrong, whatever, legal or not, what could possibly be going through the guy's head that shot this guy, what, seven, eight times in the back? Like even if he thought he was going in for a weapon, you know, that, you know, people were recording this. You know, this is how do you just not shoot him in the leg or take them down?

There's eight of you. How many cops were there?

There were like like to me know, I don't care what's right or wrong, but it's crazy. It's crazy.

Like, why would you do that? Like, you know, you're going down this road first. You're not supposed to shoot people in the leg. They don't they don't train police officers to shoot people in the legs. Right. For various reasons. Right.

But don't you think that brought him down in another way without shooting them seven times? They could you know, they could have done all kinds of stuff. But here's the thing with it. We're never when it comes to knives and proximity, police officers are taught to shoot, say, say you actually have the knife.

Right. And due to standing with the knife at a distance. Right. They've done tests and studies that to cover the maximum distance. I think it's like thirty feet, meaning somebody thirty feet away from you. Right.

You could there's still not enough time for you to take your weapon out, aim it and discharge. By the time that person by the time you do the action, that person has been able to cover like twenty, thirty feet and stab you.

So and this is from thirty years ago, right. Where these questions of, OK, if somebody has a knife, we get a gun, sometimes a knife or a club, OK, what is a safe distance. And they've done it and it's like well it's like fifty feet. But once somebody gets within ten feet, two feet, whatever, I mean it's again it's up to the discretion of the cop. Do you want to get if you feel that somebody has a knife that you haven't searched.

Right. And you're like I won't do, I'm going to get proximate with this person. If I know that I can still get killed by a knife, I might be to kill him. I might be to put a couple of rounds in them, but just they're still able to approach me in a certain capacity. I mean, it's at the discretion of the officer. You want to take that chance as an officer?

It would be easier for me to judge like a lot of these scenarios without using my emotion and just going by the law. If it seemed like that to police officers that we're talking about, did a lot of this shit is emotion. A lot of it is based in their preconceived notion of black people or their prejudged hatred of black people. I agree. You know, I mean, so it's not just about the law because it's only happened in the US.

It's not happening to anybody. I mean, it's happening. That's the narrative, yeah.

You know. So think about this, you know, big picture. I mean, policing all around the world when they look at America and we could play apples and oranges. But I mean, I'm not I don't plan to live in America my entire life. Right. So I want to move to somewhere else, just to be clear. But understand that policing all over the world, they'll look at America like yogurt. It sweet. Like all they did was shoot, all they did was tase you, you should if you were in Colombia, right.

They would have killed you, burnt your body and did all kinds of shit to you, the police, if you were in the Philippines, they just pulling up on people, blowing my brains out in front of their kids. Not no investigation or anything, if you will, and if you are in Kenya. Right, there's cell phone footage of police pulling up. Where's the do where's such and such? Pulling them out of the crowd, land him on the ground and executing them in front of broad daylight and nothing happens.

No, then they have the footage of you shooting that dude.

You're talking about a situation that hasn't to do it doesn't have to do with race, though. I think what I'm saying, you're conflating the same situation really, that people are being taught. That's what I'm talking about. I agree with that.

And I understand what you're saying. And I can point to one. I can point to Boyz in the Hood. I could point to Nino Brown. I could point to that everywhere that white people are, white cops have been educated, that black people are animals and they're violent. And it is and is reinforced. And there's this in there that gangs and rap music and the whole shit that shit works would just be just it would be just different.

No, I'm not justifying shit. I'm finding something to point at to justify wrong.

The whole point is I try and take into consideration everything, the narrative, the emotion, the law. Why not am my post to do jagoff emotion. Emotions don't win games. I'm trying to win.

I'm not trying to prove the police wrong. I'm trying to win. I'm trying to get black people to a place where we win, what we win, what we have, a society where we feel safe and white people feel that we are that we're not just animals out to kill them. Right. And emotion is not going to win that battle.

Well, who the fuck is doing all the killing when we have white people felt not safe around black people when asked black people have been executing white people.

What history do we have a doing that there is? A narrative in America that I agree with. Do I believe that the narrative is correct? No. Do I believe that the threat? Am I more afraid of the police then? Am I than I am afraid of Inglewood? No. I fear Inglewood more than I fear the police why this is me, that sounds like an emotion that I have no place to come to.

You have niggas. I mean, my people got they shot up and you get the call and you got to go. You got to leave the studio right now because we have war. So I've been in those positions. Right, and it wasn't the police. Mm hmm. Right. It wasn't that we did anything to a negative that I said something out of a pocket to a nigga is just pure greed or pure just we don't fuck with these niggas.

Not because they black.

Mm hmm. Right. I stepped on a nigga shoes. Right. So, yeah, I've had my interaction with the police, I've had guns pulled out on me by the police. I've had guns to the side of my head from the police. Laughing and smiling. I've been there, I've done that, the difference between those officers and the niggers in Inglewood you're talking about is your taxpaying dollars don't pay to niggers angle. They just a product of marginalized areas that they've been fucking subjugated, areas that they've been marginalized to.

Police officers are higher issues. They get paid by our taxpaying dollars. I know you pay your taxes because you'll be in jail. Did and I pay my taxes. We don't get to view them the same. We don't get to put one. We don't get to put the shoe on the other foot.

To me, if you're just saying I pay these niggas so they can kill me, you pay niggas in the street all data to kill you with the same nigga that you took that the same dude that you was hustling in the streets with the same crew that you ran around with would be the same niggas that have put you in the trunk.

Yeah, but they don't have to pay them to do what I'm talking about.

It does it go it goes down because I pay these niggas. They should be keeping me safe. That's not true on the streets. Why would it be true in the police department?

I think that's our point of contention. You want you want to give the police the benefit of the doubt. And I don't want I don't give the police the benefit of the doubt because I know for one, I know it's not true. Police also know that we don't play all of their salaries. Taxpayer, everybody pays it.

So Carl Rittenhouse salary to what's the point of that point? I mean, what's the point of that point? The point is that we don't you acting like we pay the salaries specifically. I didn't say that. Like it's not a pool of money. I'm saying our tax man.

Our taxpayer. Yes. Yeah, right. And I'm saying white people get split by police just as quick as I see black people that they should split.

But that doesn't mean that just because that's what you've seen, because that's what you want to see. But it's not the truth.

You know what I want to see? I'm not looking for ass weapons. It's only true objectively in Lupe Fiasco, mine is what I'm saying. You giving them more of the benefit of the doubt that I'm holding on to a standard.

The police don't give a fuck about me if I say I just happen to have multiple police officers in my family. I've read the law. I've read the books. Right, I've been to the places I've been in the street, I've been in a whole place, I've had I've been in jail, I've sat in court, right. I've seen officers sit up and talk, wow, shit. I've been pulled over illegally. I've had guns pulled to my shit.

I've had my chain stolen by the police. Right, but I've also had police come to a Niggaz rescue. Mm hmm, right. I've also seen that the only option that Niggaz had to come to a situation was police. So I'm not for or against these niggas at all.

But at the same time, too, I'm trying to win. I say I'm trying to win and winning means that I'm not going to get everything that I want right is going to be some compromise and it's going to be some shit that we don't like to stomach. I'd like to see. And at a certain point, if we're not willing to accept that and get over that, then we're going to be in the same cycles that we were in before.

And I don't want that.

I don't want to be antagonized to white people. WidePoint, my enemy, like, it doesn't even matter to me like that. And I'm not going to put myself or allow myself to be put in a position like that just for the sake of some black identity code, a law that somehow I missed that other niggas didn't. As if they're more strict than me, I did more shit in the street than I did or been around less than I have.

I've spent less time in jail than they have some shit. I don't know what the fuck happened, but for the sake of that, I'm not going to just live my life in fear of the fucking police and constantly added some type of mental battle. We're trying to get them to act right. I can't even get niggas to act right. Who I pay.

Sound like it's a whole bunch of stuff on your mind. That you got to work out? I don't I don't think about none of that stuff because I'm not scared of no fucking police. You mean you ain't never got around? I'm never worried about them doing nothing to me.

I'm talking about there's a standard that I hold them to as the police, that's all. I don't generalize. All of them is bad. But I read the things that I see.

I'm not going to be so preoccupied with winning that I'm not allowing myself to see the truth right in front of my fucking face. I can't do that. And I'm not going to compare the fucked up shit that they do to the fucked up shit the black people do in our communities because the two have nothing to do with each other.

I mean, they know at the end of the day, I mean, don't you both agree? People get shot, white people, black people do more black people get shot likely? No. No, it's not like that.

Not like it's a definite it's a definite I would give that to me. But at the end of the day, don't you think. Police, the majority of police are actually doing what they're supposed to be doing, but there are a lot of bad apples out there. There's still racism. And when push comes to shove, if it's a black man going for a gun or a knife or something in the back of a car versus a white man, there is going to be a certain set of people that are going to shoot first because he's black first, because he's white with me.

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