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Joined by Taylor McCall, actual musician. Yes, sir, the actual actual realization. Taylor McCall, so they say, was they from from South Carolina? Yes, they're close to that.


Might get close to tell people how you don't like to wear your own hat.


Oh, just because you can't wear your own t shirt, you can't wear your own hat. Just I don't I can't be called in. TJ, Max, with your own hat on, I just can't be at all.


So that puts me in an awkward spot. You are a eater hat. Yeah. And t shirt.


But you got it. You got I mean, what's not my name. Yeah. If I had a name I said sure I wouldn't wear a shirt. I said, look, Steve. Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly. You know this is like a different Steve.


Yeah, yeah. What about a shirt that just said Dave. No, because they'd be like people that were dried shirts with someone else's name on it. Ozzy used to do that, he'd be in like the tight spandex like outfit wild, you know, good hanging out and just say Ozzy and Bedazzle wasn't like nobody's got the balls to be wearing that these days.


You Tom the blizzard of Oz. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you can. Yeah. My dad.


That's what I grew up on. Randi Rhodes fans. Oh, is that right. Yeah.


Did the plane wreck. Yeah. Yeah. That's how the best anga you know.


I used to have I used to work for a place called Quality Maintenance Contractors, and they did. Industrial coatings and painting and all that, and one time me and this dude from high school named Craig Kemp had to go. Into a factory where they made auto parts, they made like rearview mirrors and stuff for Honda or something like that, but it was it was in Michigan and we had to clean the whole ceiling like degrease.


From the car factory in an auto parts factory degrease all of the steel girders and trusses because they're going to spray them and they had to put that fire retardant spray up there, but they all had to be prepped. And we were doing one section and they wanted it done, like we had to do it just one spell and I and we came in first shift was in that factory. I mean, Craig showed up. They left. Second shift came in.


They left a third shift, came in, they left the first ship, people came back. Oh, man. I mean, Craig was still there and I entered like a transcendent, transcendent state. What's the word I'm trying to say, like a hallucinatory state.


Yeah, that flow state. And we were listening to calcu.


I'll always remember this. We're up in a scissor lift. And I entered such a state that I at one point said, I think they're going to play Crazy Train. Oh, man, that's what you needed. And they played Crazy Train, did they? That's usually the way it goes when I don't never listen to the radio.


But if I turn it on, it's usually got to be something where it goes right back off. Yeah. Yeah.


When you get that's why I'm like streaming services are nice and all that, but you can't.


There's a thing about radio. Like, why do you like good song sound better on radio? Yeah, because you don't have that. You don't have that because it's a surprise. You can't skip it.


And it's like all of a sudden, like, I could go right now and play Crazy Train if I felt like, yeah, oh, we got to guitar.


Can you play that knock? Yes, I'll play that now. I mean, that's kind of that's a good talking point. Maybe.


You know, my guitar work is it's very, very unorthodox. Even in Nashville. I showed up and it everybody in town really kind of plays in the same format. And the way I grew up learning guitar is I never thought I could sing just because I have a real deep voice and, you know, a guitar in a standard tone and set in which majority songs are in anything on the radio. So it's in standard tone and it's usually like A G and C and they you know what I mean.


I, I got no idea.


Yeah. So I never grew up like that because I was like, man, I can't sing like that.


So I just detuned these strings all kinds of weird ways and not really like that's not I mean some Teutons uncommon. But what I was doing, you know, people in town still I worked with some great people to be like, what do you even play?


You know what I mean? Like, I don't know. You know, even that's within standards. Like, I don't know what I'm doing, even in standard tuning. And you take that into, you know, detuned in the guitar. You know, it's it's kind of one of those things where it's like if you don't know anything, everything's, you know that your access, but you got to spend years, you know, all that didn't sound good where I got next, you know what I mean?


Not too many people won't do that.


You know, the Leonard skittered quote from one of the dudes, the Leonard Skinner was learned to play your guitar, then get sexy. Yeah. Yeah. You just skipped right to the sexy.


I don't know about all that, but we tried. We tried. Oh, you know who can sing like a little bird?


Is Chester the molester? Oh, yeah. He's he's I've seen him evolve over the past few months playing guitar and singing. He's getting good.


He he did.


This bodyguard just got married so. Chester, Chester, Chester, Floyd, yeah, I saved in my phone is Chester the Molester because my kids don't know what a molester is, but they laugh at my truck, says Chester, them last year. I tell to call them, but.


He got weird fish in there and he was explaining this whole story where he learned how to play a song, someone else's song, the Tyler Children song to get up and like, serenade his wife at his wedding.


Yeah, I had a couple of weeks. It was it was a good performance. Well, he ran the problem is everybody thinks that he wrote it.


He did clarify or they weren't listening.


So people are like he was talking about how people are crying and like, I can't believe you wrote that beautiful song for your wife. So now he's running around.


And then even after the fact, my wife was talking to someone who's talking about this beautiful song I just wrote.


So he didn't do a better job in the future.


So you moved out. You lived here for a while?


Yeah, that's what I came out here to be, a fish and guy. Yeah. Yeah, that's I kind of have two phases.


I was telling Buddy last night, you know, around a couple of beers, just I feel like I've had two phases in my life of just out fishing and guitar, you know, and I feel like both are very meditative activities are hobbies that I turn into disciplines in a sense maybe. I mean, I don't know if you call it that, but yeah, I grew up with my dad just going camping and fishing for stock trout up in North Carolina and Davidson and Mills River and just grew up catching that stock trout.


Like if you catch it, you know, he was not born in the river.


You put it, you probably put it in. You know, we get to help the DNR people, you know, dump buckets of just hogs and the the river.


And then, you know, I think setin used to do something quite similar to that. Yeah. I used to help him and fish commission stock and then I go back and fish. The holes were here, the big ones.


Yeah. And that last those fish lasts about a day.


But I'm catching this guy. But nobody else is in South Carolina, it seems like.


So you'd go catch the stockers, let him go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then Homy would come down the river and just take it back. You know, we'd had people, all kinds of people castanet and river. You just walk like a man. Come on, man. You know, castanet stock, even in a delayed harvest is like, get out of here.


My dad pulled a gun on somebody one day because he was doing that, just worked him up just probably since they worked him up like pistol whipped him.


No, no, no. I just worked him up just because we always, I don't know, just two dads down there with the pistol. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.


I do a little fishing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Statute of limitations is good. And this guy just got out of the cast. Yeah.


And then he's got this cooler full of fish and he's like, you know, what are you doing man. Come on.


You know he a long story short, he took that cooler fish back in river. He's like, I'm calling being out right now, just just goes back home. We have one good little place we can fish. And everybody just messed it up, it seems like.


So tell me the pistol and story, though. So I'm like, OK, so there you are. Yeah, he's. Oh yeah. Because the guy thought he was a police and you know, he will obviously wasn't so bad.


I'm trying to get like I mean he did pull it on like this but I mean he brandished it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I guess that's what you would call it. And then the guy dumped the fish out. Yeah. He took off him and him and two other people. Yeah. You know, that took about an hour for a game warden to get there and then they found them all down the river. So it's just not legal to fish that way.


No, we can't. Oh, God. At all. Yeah. Yeah, they're stockier trout. Yeah, yeah. I don't know General. I don't know their general American rule of thumb is that.


This is a generalization, you generally dassin be castanet in fresh water. Yeah, especially his dream table to me.


Yeah, but yeah, that's what I grew up, fish and kind of streams, you know, no bigger than this room. And I thought I was you know, you could that was the the big water. And then I came out here and realized those are just little little creeks back home. But yeah, I graduated high school in 2015 and 17 at the time and just moved out here, didn't know anybody. And the first week I was here, you know, just started fishing fish my way out of school, pretty much two years.


So you enrolled in school. Yeah, but Montana State flunked out. Yeah. Yeah. I just couldn't pass math at all.


So I was like, man, might as well be getting some enjoyment out of being here.


So then you took off. Yeah. Yeah. On the river. Yeah. I was here for two years and got two years worth of good fishing in and. Yeah man just loved it is a good place for a 17 year old to come figure it out and, you know, not get in trouble. I feel like there's, I don't know, there's like three cops in town compared to everywhere else back home. So it's a good place for a kid not get in trouble and sense.


You feel there's a low cost per criminal ratio out here? Oh, yeah.


I don't know about criminal ratio, but definitely, definitely. I feel like. Oh, just low cost. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You can be walking down the road. That's interesting. I never like I'll tell you.


Well you kind of know it's that little because I think that New Mexico. The depth and variety of law enforcement agencies that maintain a presence in New Mexico is staggering, like in a they have a heavy presence, just every lawn, everything imaginable.


Yeah, yeah.


Because they got a border patrol just like every other car.


Yeah. You know, I don't know if I can make it down there so you break a lot of laws. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I do elegantly. But you're not a violator. No, no. Not a game Bilu.


No, not a no. Not at all. Just, you know, not anything in the hunt and fish and world breaking those at all.


Oh that's good. That's good. US they're going to ask you about you then you left because you had a girlfriend somewhere.




So I had like a a girlfriend back home and pretty much like you left her to come here.


Yeah, I left her to come here and then things got kind of. Did she think of it that way. Yeah. But I was even before we met, it was one of those things. It was always my dream to come out here. And so when I left it was kind of like eat in my dream and my face coming back. And I got back and I was like, what did I just do? You know what I mean?


And so I enrolled. After I was here at Montana State, I pretty much sold my clacker craft and went back home. And the clerk at Kraft got those seven songs right there.


And and you wrote these songs on this in the fact that the the sold the clerk at Kraft that paid for that. So my parents didn't even know I sang until I got back after after college and pretty much spiraled into this this project.


Jericho Rose. That tune is it's about Montane in my experience, Leverne I was in it's kind of how it all works out.


And since I enrolled at a community college back home after I came back and had to take I mean, this tells you how far along I was in school, how to take Art 101, my third year, you know what I mean? That most people might be doing wrong behind. Yeah, running behind. And it was all for a reason, though, because I learned about this thing one day called the Rose of Jericho. And I was like, man, that kind of perked my ears.


You know, that is that's a it's a it's got all these know the road to Jericho, right?


Yeah. Yeah.


But this is like isn't that where was Saul who who's on the way to Jericho when he got blinded.


I'm not sure in the Bible. I'm not sure. Is that jerko, someone typed that up, I can't fucking room for Pagan's listen. There's a guy in the Bible who is not cool and they blind him. Changes his ways, wasn't he had the Jerico? Monsef. Really, you don't know, sir? No, I should know my grandmother would be upset with me on the way. Some I learned on you guys. Yeah, you take you stop.


Thomas required some Bible.


Yeah. OK, check this out. We've been talking a lot about. There's this thing called the ass movement, anti surface shiting movement, getting people to stop. Going relieving themselves out in the Bériot, out in the woods and long trails and at trailheads and whatnot, just to reduce the now that the whole world has a dog, it's bad enough with dogs.


When you add all the people stuff in there, all the people excrement.


This guy sends a thing in dewdrop from Deuteronomy, hmm? 23, 12 to 14. This is in the Bible, yeah. You shall have a place outside the camp and you shall go out to it. And you shall have a trowel with you, sit down outside, you shall dig a hole with it and turn back and cover up your excrement.


For the Lord, your God moves around your camp by night. I like it, dude, I was like, there's no way that's true. There's no way that's true. And so I did some searching and it is true. And I'll tell you, here's another. I was like, is that really true? So I looked up and here's another translation. Same thing, Deuteronomy.


This is from the new international version, Deuteronomy 23, 12 to 14, designate a place outside the camp where you can go to relieve yourself.


As part of your equipment, have something to dig with and when you relieve yourself, dig a hole and cover up your excrement. For the Lord, your God moves about in your camp to protect you and to deliver your enemies to you, your camp must be holy so that he not see among you anything indecent and turn away from you.


That's a fact, do I get the do the founder that asked me, does he know about that? I never thought that I was the head of the Jerico.


So any change after this happened, he changed his name to Paul, you know, I'm a guy that for it is the road to Jericho. I looked it up. It's right here. It says Jesus when he was passing through Jericho.


He cured two blind men now. Yeah, and the road to Jericho was like this very dangerous road that was beset by robbers and that your own word? Yeah, it is.




It was just like a dangerous road and it had something to do with the Samaritans and the Jews and. I didn't see anything about Saul or Paul. Yeah, I'm not seeing so no, I never mind, but yeah. Anyways, you found out about the role of. So it's got. It's pretty much this desert desert plant. Oh yeah, I know. I thought you meant like a. Like, why the word jeriko in there, but the desert plan?


Yeah, yeah, so it's got all these superstitions and for me, my writing process really started. I'm not I don't do it. I grew up. I could barely read in front of the class, always a real qargha, you know, and pretty much the way I came into music was natural therapy and, you know, hard times, kind of. That's what comes out and perked my ears up when I hear or hear anything interesting like that.


And that was the first kind of, you know, real phrase or, you know, just that plain just language, you know, that kind of perks the hiring years of, you know what I mean. And, you know, so I started reading into it. And, you know, if you put water on this plant, it comes back to life and it's got all these, like, superstitions.


And I was like, well, that's kind of like my experience, you know, out Montani, if you read the lyrics, it's it's pretty much a poetry about, you know, having a second chance in a way, you know, gets it up. I'm going to sing that one later, a different one. I'm not saying all some new stuff. You use those things to bring the whole world. Anything that the world has ever heard has literally been the first songs.


Anything that's out is the first songs I wrote. And since then, you know, I've got over 80 songs I've written the last two years.


And you still fish. Oh yeah. That's what the dream is to do. List where we can fish, you know, all the time.


Are you regarded as like a song factory? That sounds like a lot of music at this point.


At this point, I can't pick up a guitar and just play it. It's always, you know, you know, because I hear things and like words just come out in a way. And especially it's like building a muscle. I don't know. I've become obsessed with it keeps me up at night. But that's how I get get going.


I mean, you have peers that are cranking out 80 songs, 40 a year now. Most people. Do you spend enough of that cup? They're just a little bit grisly.


If if that's all. That's fine. Too grisly. Yeah. Our friend Dartmouth, he doesn't shugar is eight. He says no. He says no.


I got a good job. He choose whether to go to Copenhagen because I was long gone for a long time, the Copenhagen was my favorite, but they don't make good pouches, you know, and I can sound.


So you got a pouch in there. You see it right here, Mr.. But nobody ever tucked in there. Well, I know you got to you're into it. Yeah, you'll swallow it occasionally.


We had a guy right in he works. He's a dear researcher, I think, in Pennsylvania. And he said when he goes into that deer pen, you can't bring your dip. Well, he said they'll tear the pocket right off your jeans to get that dip out.


And then he'd put that on a commercial.


He said, if you put Levi Garrett in your back pocket, he said they'll rip your pants, know the glasses, start hanging that tree stand.


He makes them like Primo's product or something out of them to be like little pellets as it kind of frowned upon to be, you know, and to stand with that, you know, does that repel?


What do you think, Johnny? I mean, when I when I used to do it, I had no problem being in the stand or in the field with it. I don't know. I don't think that's laying down that much sand here.


You think you'll end up catching lip cancer?


No, I'll quit here saying. Oh, is that right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You should get with dirt. You guys could just hang out chew. Yeah, we should call them up man and come over. That's why I mean these people got the Essig bars, you know. I thought it was weird idea what people just went somewhere and did, you know, kind of like a dick.


But I was like that's the way my mind works, I think might have like a little bit, you know, like water flowing through and most people getting some good sleep.


Yeah. Like a cigar. Like I've ever had to do a work thing.


One of the worst things that ever happened to me was I had to go to a cigar bar and I was like, oh, my God, I hate that.


That Griesa reminds me of that ransacked cabin in Alaska, because the only thing that wasn't tore apart was a couple of cans of grizzly.


And Buck was thrilled to see that grizzly sitting there. Let's say another interesting thing about that rant we got. We were we slept in a cabin that had been a bear and moved into it and. Oh, my God. Oh, if you want to go look, go to Instagram, you'll see a video of this cabin at Steven Rinella.


You'll scroll back, I mean, this have got destroyed, yeah, by a bare. And this bear buried by everything open. But what's funny is he didn't figure out. There's all these glass jars of salmon and he bit all the canned, I don't know what it is, he bit like it feels a can of green beans. He he'd chew it open. The salmon. Glass jars of salmon. Never touched, didn't figure out like it, it blows my mind and he put everything open in the other thing, laying on the ground amongst all this junk is a can of bear spray that he never sunk a tooth into.


You know, like the fact that he's smelling.


Through a can I know it doesn't make sense, man, I don't understand how they deal with that. Bear did what he did.


I don't know, eight coffee. I've had an experience real close with a couple back home, three mom bear and two cubs. And, you know, as you know, real close to us, I got in I started to love some sugar cookies.


Oh, I bet you like that. Yeah. This bear was so good. He got into a bag of Halloween candy like fun size candy bars. You think he just ate the candy bar? I don't know. He must have taken his little claw. He would eat the candy bars and leave the empty wrappers, you know, man.


However, he managed to do that like little looked like a human being opened up.


All these candy bars and the wrappers are gone. Some stuff he got burned out on, like he got into a bunch of dry pasta but left some dry pasta after I was like, I can't handle the dry past anymore.


Yeah, there's a couple little packets of Folgers single like tea bags. Yeah. And Steve, Steve used those. Well, I chickened out in the end.


Everybody's you got drink. I, I didn't use it now because here's what happened when I open it up.


They had been corrupted and they had been soaked inside. Oh. And then I was like oh who cares. And I was like it was probably beer piss. I don't know, I didn't eat them. Oh I thought it was Borke had some of that. He had some of that black that black reifel coffee. Black powder. Yeah. Two of those in his pocket. Oh I didn't tell anybody about that. I didn't know I thought you were drinking that Folgers stuff.




So this is kind of funny because. We're rafting down the river and Buck's got a friend, has got a cabin and we're going to go up there, so we'll bring in books like, well, instead of carrying stuff up, they're going to hike up to this cabins that are carrying stuff up there. I'll replace there's food there and then I'll make sure to replace anything.


Is there. And then I remember Seth being like, man, I don't know, I feel like we should bring some food. I remember shooting them down like no man. Yeah, we got a whole plan, you know, and we get up there and it's like. Yeah, like nothing.


Nothing. No coffee. Yeah. No dinner, no breakfast, nothing. This place was ransacked.


That's the worst mindset that I think. Can you go into a place that's like, I don't know. You don't play stuff when he hung over.


Hey, what do you think of this right here? That's what I saw this morning.


So we had a guest on Bob Reid, who's a Burmese python expert, and got talking about snake oil. And we were talking about how, you know, people say a snake oil salesman. Well, it's longer that I was talking about how these guys we met in South America were saying that you can take the oil. From what was that snake down there? The anaconda's right, Green Annacone or I don't know, this is a trip that I was on.


I remember this this was your first time down there with was Anaconda, like 13, 16, 18 foot snakes, Mom Chase and the dude told me two interesting things he said. We walked up to one. And. He was explained to me, like what I would call a superstition, what he would call just the truth, and he was saying, if I touched that snake with my bow. Just touch it. You can touch you with a regular stick, but if I were to touch that snake with my bow, it would die a very painful death.


Hmm. And I said, like, how long? And he said 45 minutes just from contacting it with a human bow. And I said, what do you why would you do that? What do you use it for? And he said that we use it to the fat, the oil rendered from the snake to treat arthritis.




I then explain this to this Burmese python expert, and he made me realize something I hadn't put together, is that when you say like someone's a snake oil salesman because these are people used to attribute snake grease snake fat with all these as having great like naturopathic or homeopathic.


Qualities are essential oil salesman, so then he just brought us a quart. You know, he didn't have the lid on tight, which is weird because I don't view this stuff as appetizing. I had to tighten the lid. It was like some new computer or something to turn around and say that Michael caught a jar of Burmese python oil.


I have a label maker and I made that label for display.


Yeah, I like the no shit part.


My label says snake oil. No shit. This is oil from a python. That's what I was watching the episode on on Netflix the other night when he was down with these guys. They're using their hand to cast in a river. And I was like, he's definitely seeing some snakes in that area. Do you see any of that?


Yes, that's that's the area where I saw these really. Not these the anacondas. Yeah. Wouldn't you guys eat that?


Like, I find that oil almost repulsive that I don't I don't like snakes. I mean, not that I don't like snakes. I'm just like big snake guy.


He's saying that's rendered fat though, right? It's rendered fat, I'll pass it around, Gismondi also brought me he use it. Well, did he do this just for you? Does he, like, often make he already had it. He already had brought me some of his stash. Did you see that? Did I put on your desk some? Yeah, prickly pear syrup, Europe, same guy. Oh, I like that. Put that on my oatmeal this morning.


The Jew that I bring you some chokecherry. Yeah. Jim, same guy. They're bringing some of that, honey. No, it's on your desk. Thank you. Different guy. I thought it was some moonshine was like Manaslu early for no, but what I'm saying is it's so unappetizing to me that I wouldn't be able to, like, fry up an egg and that oil. Yeah, that's unappetizing to me, too. I definitely would give it a go.


Yeah, I'd do a little tease on that.


Did you guys just say next time you're on the podcast, guess what? Had a couple over mediums and pipeline.


Well, this morning, it looks like he could have filtered it a little better. There's some solids down on the bottom. Yeah, I don't know. I talked about it. I don't want to call them criticizer, Bill. Hey, man, thanks a lot. But, you know, next time next time you baby some snake oil.


But I'll not use put the lid on top. Yeah, put the lid on and everybody's got some tips.


This boy's got some tips here as well.


I recently I recently got some some oil from a good buddy of mine and I had some criticism about it.


I was like, you know what, I'm not going to say anything because it's hard to.


Yeah, it's hard to get a nice big batch of it. Which Buddy might be Buddy sitting next to me.


If you do if you do do it, what you do is, you know, about a compliment sandwich.


I we covered this. We have it. Give it to me again. Account when you got it. When you get it, when you need just need to like give someone some feedback that they're not going to be receptive to you compliment them.


Yes. They're positive.


So you'd say, oh my God bro, you look good today. Right.


I thank you for working out as their family.


Can you tell me about the basic I so I can do if you tell me the basic problem.


Well, the oil instead of being snow white, Bear Grylls got just a little touch of color to it and has a touch of flavor to it, like it might like the cracklings might have been cooked a little bit too long and, you know, got so off-putting, but it's not like that super clean.


Yeah, you know, I mean, so you'd say. My God, bro, did you look good today? I feel like you are kind of screwed that barrel up by overcooking the cracklings. Well, thanks for the coffee.


Oh, my God, your kids are nice.


That's a compliment. Saying I like it.


Three completely unrelated. I'm taking constructive criticism.


It's not like I've got a lifetime of experience rendering bare fat, you know, quick news item.


I thought, like, I hesitate to do this. To mention this news story in the news, because it's a type of news that I generally hate and it's like, you know, news agencies that that do news. The point of the news being that the reader will be annoyed and have the response of like, what's the world coming to? Right on that news, yeah, like just how like this has gone too far a war on Christmas, you know, I mean, like like that kind of news, you know what I mean?


This is one of those news stories of, boy.


So now but like now that kids are at home, like so many kids are at home for school. Right.


And you're doing zom. So a little boy in Louisiana. Is at home in his bedroom and there's a picture of the Kucinich girl, you're going to get a shirt, but he's got like a dress shirt buttoned up to the top button like Tewes get on the planet.


Nine years old, but in his room, is this begun? And he gets suspended. I saw that what suspended from Zoome, suspended from school because this room is a BB gun. And you can have guns at school. So, dude, seriously, he's not actually he's going to class. He lives in his bedroom. The story is like like I gather that this is not a problem. I think this problem is going to go away for this boy very quickly.


But that was the initial repercussion they suspended. They won't allow him to.


He got kicked out of school for having his gun in his bedroom during his online learning. Hmm. What is this world coming to?


Is this will not stand recruiters in class next. It'll be a war on Christmas.


So another thing is this is the last I swear it is the last time I bring this up. But the plot does sticking around squirrels bite nuts off all the squirrels? Oh, we got to thing.


Listen, a vet in Australia. Wrote in to say that he. This is not squirrels. It's not America, but he does find male rabbits were get in fights and it can result in testicular injuries. From Biton to the other rabbit. The plot thickens, so Spencer is going to have to. Do some more research. Dig into that one. Now, here's the other thing, is that news, but I just thought this is fascinating, that story about the other day I've been reading.


I don't know why I have read.


It's like like Ausborn Russel's journal. Have you guys read Ausborn Russel's Journal?


It's Kind Like The Most is one of the most important historical texts about like The Mountain Men and the Beaver Travis'.


You read it? No. Dude, I've been reading. I don't I can't like I feel like such an idiot for having not like actually read his journal, it is unbelievable. One, the amount of shootouts those guys get into into the back and forth and up and down. Hiking, you mean to no one just. There in Salt Lake, there in the headwaters of the snake there on the lower Yellowstone, before we go too far, it's like who like give a quick synopsis.


Who's Ausborn? Russell Osborn. Russell's a just a dude who signs on with a fur company. Doesn't know shit. Heads out west Trat Beavers and keeps a meticulous journal of where they go and what they do.


Oh, I think you've done 30. He's the guy that just details everything that happens every day for. No, that's a different dude. 30 years later, on, the muscle shell that was called Life and Death of the Mouth still show Ausborn Russell's journals like it's just his journal.


Did he hang out with some of the big names, Deua? Yeah, he travels with Bridger. Yeah. So he's in Jim Bridgers camp writes about that all the time. He realized he didn't like have a way to think that Jim Bridger was whatever. Right. But he's he's traveling with Bridger. So you got like a big crew of trappers and this main camp moves in as the main camp moves.


They kind of pick like we're going to work this river and go over the past and work that river in the main camp moves in. There are camp tender's and fur dressers, guys, skin and flesh and whatnot.


And they just and then you got these little bands of trappers.


And so the bands of trappers go off and do a loop and come down and find the main camp and check in and do a loop and find the main camp and check in.


Always getting in skirmishes. Shoot and tons of bighorn sheep. Like eat more bighorns, the places they run into bighorns, you know, talk about seeing a thousand bighorns on the Hill. Just eating bighorns so many big horns that they're in one valley. And it's hard to get through the winter is not enough food, so they decided to move camp where the whole camp can just live on bighorns. Wow. Not yeah, there was a tribe named the Sheep Eaters.


When he talks about those guys, too, he meets some in what's now Yellowstone and he describes how they had no horse. They had had a horse once that they got from some other trappers and the horse died. They had a bunch of panther hides, which he found interesting. They made most their clothes out of sheep. They didn't use flint and steel. They used BO drills to start fire. They had trapped all they said they killed all the beavers in the area, but didn't realize that the firs are valuable, just ate the meat and wish they had saved him so they could sell the fur.


And their bows were made out of Elkhorn and sheep horn and they were three feet long.


And he took like Ausborn Rossell, like really likes these dudes. And he said they would travel in small family groups. And not like relate to other does he go into detail about how the horn he doesn't describe how they may relate or no, he doesn't describe it, but he's like very impressed with these guys.


So were they would it be fair to say they were like not quite as advanced as some of the other tribes that were? They were just kind of living in a you know, I'm saying he likes them better.


He likes them a lot like they liked him, but it was just very impressed with the ingenuity, probably what he was he was seems to impress them most is by the time he's out there, there had been a lot of trade going on. So horses, everybody had thought, like most tribes, he's encountering and traveling.


You know, they're very friendly with the croll. They travel the girl. Most tribes he's traveling with have horses, have firearms, have flint and steel. They have steel cookware.


And so if you look at like what he's saying about them, like the things he's like, only this and this and they this, it's mostly like he's Tom, by the way. Everybody would have been right simply 50 years earlier.


Yeah. They hadn't adopted all that stuff yet. So he caught them. Could even be like you could almost say that 30 years earlier. 30, 40 years earlier, everyone, he would say he's just looking at some people that had adopted, they were living like in the very high country, not associating down in the lower valleys. And they were like still living like all primitive goods.


And he really dug it. He saw about he spends a lot of time with the crow and he says that. Again, man, this is not from a cruel person. This is from a white dude traveling with the crow. Capturing like his understanding of what's going on, so I tell you that this is like the truth, I'm saying this is like crow culture as understood by a white trapper.


Because they want a crow village moves into a new moves camp and his buffalo in the vicinity. You can't just go out and hunt. They can't just charge off and spook everything out like it's part of a concerted effort. And you have to get like council permission to begin hunting. If you break this rule, the first offense is your hunting equipment is destroyed. If you do it again in your life. Your horses are killed, your lodge is destroyed and your beaten.


A third offense is death by shooting. We should have more game laws like that, you don't mess around assault and Lewis and Clark. I read some of their journals. What is it? What's the relationship? Is this guy earlier or after?


You know, well after well after guy. Just if you fell asleep on guard, how many?


You know, 50, 60 lashes, I'd be like.


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I know on the show I talked before about when stephanson, who spent a lot of time with. He's got this book, My Life with the Eskimo, and he spent much time with Inuit hunters in the high arctic of Canada, and he describes how people like hunters will have hunting partners and they'll even be like a hunter in his hunting partner. Will. B, that their left side and right side, like the left side and right side of A unit.


And when they get something, the left side of the thing.


Goes to the left side, the right side of the thing goes to the right side, and that's how they distribute game amongst persons hunting partner in talk about the crow ausborn, Russell explains.


When they're doing like a collective style hunting, like, you know, riding herd down and shooting into it, the first person who arrives at a dead buffalo is entitled to one third of the meat. If the person who killed the buffalo is the fourth one on the spot, he only gets the Hyde and Tom. There's no way that this person who killed can get in any circumstance could get any more than one third of the meat. If a second and third person appears before it is placed on the horse for packing.


Meaning like you get one. If some if you if you don't get on your horse by the time other people show up, then it's divided. They get third's. So that's interesting. You know, my buddy one time went to this thing where they are testing out how effective beer commercials are and you get a dial in as you're interested, you turn the dial up and when you're not interested, you turn the dial down. I wish I wish we had those.


Like from for you, for us, because I can't tell if what I'm telling you is interesting or not, that was very interesting.


Yeah, yeah, that was interesting. On that, stay on top of them and then up and he's got to do something. A guy in addition to that snake oil, a guy sent me a turkey call made from a turtle shell. Hmm. Which is a famous old thing I've seen, though. It's got the resonance. Sound good? It's so cool.


It's a red ear slider shell. And then it's got slate glued, like to the bottom carapace. I want to see that it's super cool, man. What's the striker look like? He made it. It's got a bone top and a I don't know what he told me, what kind of wood? I can't hear what kind of board you put on there, but it sounds good.


It's so cool. Yeah, I was shocked.


I got to pick Matt out of it. So it's illegal to have now, but that's one of the lawyers like. Yeah, yeah. No, that's not me.


Yeah, that would be that's a pass down because there is like a hundred dollar guitar pick and I lose guitar picks every day. Made out of what Turkcell you know and. Oh yeah. So I make a guitar pick out of a tapin scale.


I don't know but because he's a guitar guy Brian May from Queen he's quarters or what's the equivalent.


These old something. I don't know. Kohler's for play and I found that out the other day and I was like, man, that's wild. So he every time they're on toward his guitar, tech just goes and gets a sack of these old quarters he uses and scores. Twenty percent. Yeah.


Yeah. So yeah. And he's got to do. You know, he's got to do a book report about something. Mm hmm.


Rodeo probably all added this much time as he spent this year to tell you guys, because Johnny, this is his second report he's given us.


Can you make a ditty? I did. Yeah. It goes on Johnny's book reports about videos and articles or something like that. Johnny's book reports I don't know about. I can try. Yeah.


What would you do? It'd be like a jingle. Yeah. Yeah. What would you like Majelis Show. Yeah. And then there's a segment. You know, and there's a song to precede the segment. So you're kicking off Johnny's book report, which is like a segment on the show. I'm trying to think, how do the Yoni's book report? I can't even say happy birthday, man.


I just not give a little jingles like that. You can't do a quick jingle. I mean, I can try. Yeah, you do it. I'll grab that damn guitar.


I put your dip down and go get your junk turtle shell out all the scale on a turtle shell or something like that. Yeah, yeah. I don't think that's illegal to have. Maybe certain turtles. They don't care if you catch a snap or they don't care if you pick a guitar with the scale.


So Yoni's book before Johnny's book report just play no, it's like Johnny's book reports about articles and videos.


So say that or just play it, just play. So how do you want to do it? I would sing it and play to it and it would be like something to the effect of like it's time for, you know, what do you think? I like time for Johnny.


Yeah. Phil Jonathan's time for kids. Gather round. Yeah, gather round. It's time for Johnny. Yeah. You remember book reports from school.


They were boring and sucked, but this is different. Johnny's book report about a video.


I don't know if I work with that. I was Chess's molester's here. He'd act like he'd take someone else's idea and act like he did it himself here.


Well, you got to put that thing on there. I'm just going to try to give a little note that's called. It's called. That's correct.


I just don't know how to make some jingly kind of way outplays like on a real date.


I'm trying to think of a way to make a deep report.


Oh, I like it. That already sounds good. And I just put some lyrics into it. Yeah. Go on his book.


Report him. Oh, that's perfect. I'll do a clean one. Right. OK, so we're going to the 80s.


We're going to Johnny segment to John's book report.


Oh, hit him with the soft spoken. This better be really good. If that's all right. I'll try a man. That's what I'm bad with.


Oh, no, that was perfect because I was trying to take it down a whole other avenue, man. It was a lot worse than that. People all the time.


It's like, can you play Happy Birthday in the slot, man? I don't know. You know, I ain't good with that. You know what I mean?


You're that John Prine John Prine live album, which he's got one. He's like he says, I learned those three chords when I was 14, and I guess I just never decided to learn any more of them.


Yeah, that's what I always say, is nobody knows what key happy birthdays. It's always different every time. No matter how you get around it, nobody knows how to usually. Thank you.


That guy still collects royalties off that song.


You can't, like, put that song in a movie. Really? No. Wow. No, it's covered song. It's a covered song. Get a license that somebody in song.


Really. Go ahead, Johnny. That's interesting. Yeah.


Might not be true. I got to say, this is an interesting story. Sure it's true.


I think it went it went like what's what's the term for it when something loses its copyright that's happened like four or five years ago. But like I'll tell you, up until then it was just said it might not be true.


So so you can now public domain. That's it.


I'm just happy birthday is now public domain. Public domain gobbing.


Breathe easy. You can play that at your next show and I have to wait. You put it on your next album. Even have to worry about that. Put that little Johnny segment in that.




People are going to be waiting now every episode they're going to wait to hear those chords. Oh yeah.


Did you get a good recording of that so we can get you a better one too. Can we license that. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll give you a better one when I have time.


I'm just not, I don't know. It's a moody justice was the last one that I did.


You did a book report on that. Those links are bobcat that went a long ways away. Oh, yeah, it was that one. But your anger incorrect was saying that's my only my second one because I did one about that girl that had that.


They found the gum and there those there was the preserved chewing gum.


Oh, yeah. Yeah. With Jesse Griffiths and Jesse Griffiths was saying he wanted to marry that girl. Yeah. They found the remains. That's right. That was in Texas. Yeah. They found. Yeah. And she'd eaten hazelnuts and Mallard Duck. Yeah. Yeah.


From nine nine thousand ago. Those articles were a lot longer.


This article here, it's a video might be literally you watch the video, right. Words. Yeah. Did you watch the video. No. I sent it to you to watch. Yeah. Well CBW, I like what you guys are doing. This is all great.


But I'm sure a lot of state wildlife agencies struggle with this. But whoever put the media together for this, they were in love with this one GoPro shot. They have the underside of the plane.


Is this going to turn into a combat sandwich? Because if it is, you start, you start. You got it backwards. Oh, I'm I'm going to knock them down first and I'll build them, build them up.


But yeah, it was like a nine minute video and I think they could have gotten the point across in two or three G's.


Man just comes out just swinging. Yeah.


Producer And that's what happens in this job.


Man You have a real hard time watching stuff and not looking at it, you know, with that sort of I. Yeah, no hard core produce and you feel the same way. There's a lot of stuff, you know. Yeah, but I would have said like, man, those guys are handsome and that video and their kids are really nice. The kids are great. Look, you know, they really milked it.


I spent a big decade hunting and fishing in Colorado and a lot of respect and feel that the CBW does a great job managing their wildlife resources over there.


They take it seriously. Yeah. And now that's another can of worms we want to know.


All right, so video shows you guys want to know this GoPro shot is it's it's cameras mounted on like the strut of the plane pointed toward the tail end and like, halfway between the strut.


And the rear wheel that's attached to the very back end of the the tail of the plane, there is what looks to be like a spaceship just to shoot.


And outcoming from the chute is like at this point, it looks just like a ball of vapor, which used to be water before the chute was open. And inside of it, you can see looks like little black specks. But what they are is inch and a half long trout. They're falling out of an airplane.


This, folks, is how Colorado SPW stocks their high country lakes.


Is by airplane, blows my mind, it is wild. Oh, you have never heard this, I'd heard of it, but, you know, like sometimes you hear stuff without really thinking about. Yeah. You. Yeah. I mean, like like, oh, whatever. Like, I accept it. Sure. But I hadn't actually thought like well what am I accepting and what, what, what goes into it.


Meaning that they would land and be like oh cool, I'm alive in this. Like, just like watching that view.


I'm like how in the world are they not just dead or dead. I know.


Yeah, well they do a good job of explaining why they're not dead or dead, which is that they're only an inch and a half long.


So they don't have a lot of mass to them. They get down to they'd like to be at 100 hundred feet. I think they said the space is 100 to 150 feet off the surface of the water when they drop them.


And because there's so little there's just a lot of, you know, air resistance and they're not like they're not plummeting like a, you know, an object with more mass.


Oh, yeah. You can kill somebody with a five pound trout. Yeah. I mean, from a hundred Shecter.


Well, and the five pound trout would also hit the water and probably explode just like you would. Yeah. Yeah. But these suckers.


Yeah. They talk about how they measure mount. Then your report, you mean about how they just how it's like they know per milliliter how they like a like a bucket, like a measuring cup.


Yeah, yeah. So I'm saying.


But they haven't figured out, they know by a volume measurement how many fish are in there.


So they know that whatever it is, there's 300 inch and a half trout in a quart of of inch and a half trout mass.


Right. So that they're counting them. Yeah.


But yeah they, they go and get the row from high country lakes. So it's not like they're like, like putting in a non-native fish. Right. They go and get row from fish that are native to Colorado, bring that down to a hatchery, raise them up till they're an inch and a half long and then basically transport those back up to these high country lakes.


But they're putting them in some lakes that never had trout that may I didn't catch that in this article or the video, but I think they do I think they do stock some lakes that never had a trout population.


It's incredible. It's a lot of effort. Yeah, and because they're saying they think, too, that. Because the head has a little more mass is heavier than the rest of the body, that they actually probably eventually end up pointed straight down and they enter the water that way as opposed to landing flat on their sides, huh?


Did they get into what? Mitch Petrie sent us this. Mm hmm. Did they get into what survival rate did not. Did not catch that, but they said it's very, very efficient compared to what it would take otherwise to stock these high country lakes, which would basically be by having to pack either on horseback or human back, because a lot of this is wilderness.


You know, there's no roads going up there. So you have to pack, you know, aerated containers of water, which is takes a lot. Yeah, I see.


I actually seen videos of them pack and trout and on horseback. Well, yeah.


You remember Mike Rule. But he was tell us something about like can they air dropped trou into a wilderness area?


I feel like you can't because remember, Mike Nolan was telling the helicopter thing and they couldn't land the helicopter.


They do the helicopter thing back home where I'm from on to where Deliverance was actually filmed. The helicopter meant to stock drop.


Yeah, because Mike rules talking about.


But that was the whole thing. It was about the whole helicopter deal.


Land and helicopters and wilderness area. You have a special permit.


So you think you can airdrop a trout? I think so. I used to fish lakes, alpine lakes in Colorado and wilderness areas that for sure got stocked this way.


Well, they I just looked it up here. They stocked beavers in the Frank Church. Yeah, Kal's covered that and we've talked about it. And that happened like all the time in the 50s.


Yeah. And none of this surprises me after this. After one of them being real successful. Oh, really? No. Sired like a whole population of beavers. The Idaho.


Fish and Game has a video of it on here. Yeah, I'd heard Carl talk about that. I'd heard about that. And they brought some in to re-establish populations in the Frank Church after guys like Osborne also killed them all.


You know, but. But this trial thing is just the thing that's always going on. Like how many how many lakes, how many lakes do they do?


330 Lakes and Boulder Grand Jackson and Larimer counties, which are all northern part of the state.


Yeah, the Boulder County ones. I'm sure I fish some of those. And the Indian Peaks Wilderness probably. Can you think of a outro? Yeah, and we still do another one. I would just probably do like a like a quicker ditty. Yeah. And then say that was.


That's all folks. That's all folks.


What was interesting, and they did a nice way of getting out of their little article here is that they decided to add in that that from when they're an inch and a half long, it takes them two years to become 10 inches long, which which is the minimum size limit to keep a trout in the state of Colorado.


So don't go rushing out there right now, folks. You can't it's not like back in in the Carolinas. Taylor was just talking about there's not much to catch there right now.


But in two years, two years is an inch and a half to 10 inches. I would never guess that.


I think it's because the lakes are so a lot of them are sterile. They just go and they have such a short growing season there.


So I would say that would take them five years. No.


Open those sterile, as cold as I remember reading something about that in the heart, there's usually I've seen some some fly guys get these real remote, you know, Alpine Lakes and they're catching smaller trout and it's like, you know, catching a bonefish.


Some of those whales are covered in ice, not once a year. Yeah, no. Yeah. I think they periodically winter kill, which is why they stock them this way. Like every few years they'll restock a lake because they winter kill. That's why I did back home last summer. Killed my home is too hot.


We just had our. You got the altro, yeah, Mantell, you are really playing ball. I'm pretty sure do appreciate this. You know, I would I would not go on a wildly different direction for the Altro.


I was like, your manager.


Oh, go in the water direction or don't whatever whatever comes to your mind with everything.


Oh, my kids are having to do their first book report stats stuff. But it's like PowerPoint now like that to do slides and pictures and it's like that.


Yeah. It's not the only thing to do.


But we are talking the other day how you have to have an end, you know, and she's like, well fine it's going to right.


Viene so that's like yeah I think you can keep it simple.


Keep it simple. Yeah. I went out because what I'm hearing is like I'm either play something a to, to, you know, I'm here and we're like when I'm hearing a little ditty or something like, you know, something funky almost.


Oh no, that sounds a great outro.


You pull a little closer sirtf.


Thanks. OK, so he does his work report. You got to got a video. Really, really important. We got to say something. Oh, I forgot about that. What should I say? Thank you. It's a great book report. Thank you, Yoni.


It's kind of like that free Pluto TV like news segment you saw in high school, that kind of you know, that kind of. I don't remember that, but. Yeah, I got you.


Thank you, Johnny.


I think. Oh, man, that puts a nice rap on it, man. If you are happy with that, I'm happy. Oh, that was great. That was great.


We just had youth. It is a youth doxies, I think a lot of states do this, right? Yeah, yeah, yes. Youth in my home state of Michigan, youth deer season is such a thing that I was texting with a buddy of mine, Tim, back home. And he said to me, trailer camp, pictures, a box. And he's he's not joking. And he said this. He says, I hope these two make it through youth season.


Hmm. Yeah. Like. I use a lot of people that do you know, that like hunt through their kids work, it doesn't work the system. Yeah, yeah. They're like all but like that one. That one. Yeah. Yeah.


That makes sense. You could picture it. Parents are like that with everything. Have you found a giant borkan yet. You do. You see that coming up. Of course you can be like no. Listen Junior. See I'm playing this game.


I'm playing on set low. Like I'd almost be like, no, you can't shoot that back.


Oh. Just to get him started out, right? Yeah. Yeah. So we had to duck and I took my boy out to a friend of mine's property who has like. A bit like a waterfowl property, he is a duck fanatic and has like a sweet. Property for Hunt Ducks on maybe one of the sweetest ones in the coming, probably like one of the coolest duck things. It's a great spot and he did, and it was kind of funny, as I remember him saying, like now and then they have like a little youth opener event or something.


So I was, like, inquiring. Because he said something like, oh, you know, when you kick gets old or whatever, I thought he said we had a utopian event. I inquired with him about that thing and he said, well, I won't even be in town.


But if you want to take your boy out there. So no one's around and like the ducks have been shot at. All year, right then I'm like regular season, like, no, you don't hear any shots anywhere on youth duck opener and we put decoys out in the dark. We got there 15 minutes early. It was like legal. It was 648. And he just like. Like, very interested in what time it was because some ducks start laying out in front of us.


And he at this point is no different than most folks we aren't with. Yeah, very eager for it to turn the right time and I'm like just to kick them off. I allow them to. We have one right out from us.


And I'm like, OK, you know, you can go ahead in Arkansas. You know, any art, any snakes, the bailout of the blind, it's dark in every moves, you know, and then I'm a kid.


That's that's that's that like you got one. Now you're going to learn how to. Hit them out of the air, you know, and he just there's one doctor coming in and I'm like, OK, go, you know, but the docs aren't that wise yet. They're not spooky at. So he drags out long enough for basically the dark is like land, and by the time he shoots and gets that dog, then a while later wonders comes in from behind us before he can get on it lands.


And the thing that's a kid. Listen, now, here's what you can do. Get ready. I want you to step out of this blind and go jump it.


Yohei or whatever, and jump it and shoot it flying away in practice that only it doesn't want to jump. No, he's sneaks out there, hey boom.


Well, that does get a little irritated with him because he's shooting sitting ducks because I was saying.


Yeah, because it's like it's like, you know, you know, our friend, like he's right. Yeah. He's like a he likes he likes all he he appreciates the sort of. Process, he likes ducks, Dunn, the duck wait, like, did you know? I think he give a very supportive family. He probably gives everybody a pass. He was very excited. But I was also, like every first dog I've ever heard of has been shot on the water.


He shot his first duck on the water. I thought it would be good for him to take this opportunity of ample shooting to learn how to do some wing shooting because later in the year, ducks aren't going to do this anymore.


Yeah, and he shot plenty of pigeons out of the air.


So he's got some street pigeons, clay pigeons. I'm like, take like there's birds flying. Let's take the opportunity in a stress free environment, you being the only gun the blind to do some wing shooting.


Anyhow, eventually I look and here comes four candidates, you know, like. They're flying so slow that. It looks like they couldn't stay in the air. And they're coming at us, you know, and like later in the season, you be like, well, surely they'll. The decoys will flare or they'll lift up high and they keep coming and I'm looking like coming and coming and I'm like, oh, my guy is going to get like the world's like, you know.


Twenty five yards off the deck, like flying unbelievably slowly, directly over our head. And he pulls up and boom, just drops one. I said, hold, I said, hold it out from his bill right when you shoot and he boom, just drops one. And I was stunned.


He was kind of stunned, but I was totally stunned.


And then he shoots again and he's like, I got another one now. And I'm like, I you know, I never listen to anything he says. So I believe him that he got the other one. And that's just in one ear and out the other. And we got the goose, took pictures and had all kinds of good times. It keeps talking about getting the other one, getting the other one.


And I'm like, where is, you know, OK, it's like the big pond out front. This is no goose laying on it. And we get all done hunting and we go over and he's still talking about it, we go there, there's goose. Running or jump it up in the bushes and we're going to start listening to him. Oh yeah, because one day we were doing some we were catching some beavers for a guy friend of ours.


And we walk out of our friend's place, my kids, like there's a coyote. And then looking out, seeing I'm like, Jimi, come on, cut that crap out, the turnaround is like there is a weasel. Now, Mike James, listen, man, well, that looks like, oh, there is a weasel.


I know. I instinctively don't believe him.


I don't know what it is. He's seeing stuff you're not you're maybe your your visual acuity is fading. Oh, it absolutely is, man. So, yeah, last night we took his waterfowl and we cut up. One of the geese, so we caught up to brass and we're brining it for marinating it for jerky, we took the legs of all the geese in the legs of all the duck.


And we're and that for confi. And then he wants to save the rest just for regular dinner eat. So he's kind of working on all those projects, he's measuring out all of his stuff. Nice. Yeah, actually very irritated. Irritated by what they want to do, the work part. Oh, he doesn't know he's a triggermen, they're going to go No, Sugarmann, he's like he's like a good writer. Told Triggermen.


Well, about just general, like gotten in that measure. Like dry spice is not, is there. Yeah.


Not his thing. Did you guys. Okay, you know what, we started to pluck them, but it's so early in the year, like you can't barely tell, you know, this early in the year you can't barely tell a green head, you know, because, you know, they just molted.


Yeah. And we started to pluck them. One just thin. It's just skin. Very little fat. Yeah. And then the guys were OK, but the doc's very little fat and all that pennyfather wasn't happening. We had to just pull it.


We just, we just pulled them, you know, skin to like get away a little bit. It's like in Alaska they hunt ducks so early, you know, up there the ducks are all just like brown ducks. It's so hard to tell what the hell's going on.


Are these do you think these just resident birds you guys are hunting for sure? Yeah. They're not mine for sure.


That I would be surprised. A lot of these birds, some of these birds hatched out of the egg on the very passed out of an egg on the very place in your home. So, Brody, issue a report about your bear hunting, you bear hunt adventures. It was good is super short. Yeah, I was like you sent me a picture of a bear on my behalf, and he's he's still at home.


I drove I drove from I left Bozeman at like, I don't know, five thirty in the morning. So it's, you know, 12, 11, 12 hours to get to where I was hunting. Drove to Colorado. Yep. Colorado.


All the wolf down there turned it loose probably. Yeah, exactly. Oh great. Big one.


And is super wolf.


But I'm Canadian and they're Canadian Super Bowls. They're already there. They're having pups in Colorado anyway.


Yeah, got to where I was going to camp set up camp is about 6:00 in the evening by that point, hiked up to a little spring fed water hole that was like got up there like seven seven fifteen.


Yeah. Usually taking a nap. I know I don't mind drive and usually I don't mind it.


And it's like it was good to get out and hike after being that truck, you know.


Anyway sat down I was going to try filming it. And before I could even get the little DSL are out, I sound three cubs rolled in, they messed around for 10 minutes or so and then she started getting real nervous.


And I had when you say mess around and what was the message? The Cubs were like fighting and playing in the pond and she was drinking water there just like chilled out. You know, it just it was cool. It was on a shady side of the mountain.


So I think they're just in no rush, you know. Enjoy themselves. So that was fun watching them. But then she got all nervous and started to huffin at her cubs and one cub ran up, like took off.


That was, I guess, the smart one. And the other two lingered and she pushed them up into the timber and the wind was in my face. So I was like, man, there might be a boar coming in. And sure enough, like a minute later, a big jet black boar came in and I shot him.


Was that boar upwind of her? Yes. Hmm. Yeah, the wind was kind of.


For me, it was quartering left or right. So she was kind of the pond is at the base of this hill, so that when was hit in the pond and then going up and he came from up above her.


But, man, she did not want to mess around with that bore because she had young cubs like the little teeny puppy sized cubs. And yeah, that was my hunt, and that's the three jars of barrel oil you gave me. Yeah. How many jars you end up with?


Of course he gave me a little teeny jars. I ended up. Yeah, half court jars. I ended up with like three and a half gallons total.


Are you serious? Yeah. Three and a half gallons of oil is like 14 quarts total. I think it. Does it make you happy or sad that I gave one of those to my friend Laura happy? You know, I did.


I took beets out of the garden and in carrots out of the garden and. And. Roasted them in that beargrease. Yes, same way you put olive oil on it. Put that beargrease on its system, it's clean. It's like it's you know, it's a I've been doing everything like that.


Potatoes in the oven roasted just puts beargrease on it.


I know Johnny wasn't real happy with that Beargrease. Apparently not. I can redistribute that.


Well, no, I got plenty of it to share. We couldn't I couldn't go through all that stuff. Has anybody done cookies yet? That's I was just going to say I've done I've done puff pastry with it in the past year. I haven't done any baking. I don't like to bake though. I kind of quit. It's kind of a long process, but it's easy. I think what Janice was talking about is if you get it too hot or if you like, he said, go too long on those crackling because you want to squeeze, like, every bit of fat out of those things.


And I think you got to give up at some point.


Oh, when you're rendering it. Well, you know what? People do what I want. I say what people do. I know that you put a candy thermometer in there.


Mhm. I know I've read processes for doing it where you actually do it in your oven.


So you have a better grip on the town. Yeah, but you need to have an oven that's reliable at low temp and I think it might be. I've heard people say, like, set the oven and put it in there, but with a candy thermometer. Yeah, because then you can go for hours and hours and hours and not spike yet and not have temperature spikes.


Yeah, but I've tried that, but I don't know, I haven't really calibrated it but I don't know. The ovens do a great job of like.


Holding somebody. Yeah, I don't know if they do a great job of holding a lower temp like 170, but never mess with it. I think probably if you ground it up, it might render out a little better because I just cubed it, you know, that's a good idea. Grind it and render.


Yeah, you'd have to do it when that stuff's real cold because it's like a low melting point. Like when I was skin in that bear, it was probably. I don't know, is in the 70s. It was hot and it like that stuff melts and melting it, yeah, yeah, you know, it would be good idea, man, take that snake oil. Here, do a taste test. No, put it in a little jar and right bare oil on it, then give it to someone and then later be like, hey, man, how'd you like that?


Well, we'll send it to Clay Newcomb, see if they're like, that was the best I've ever eaten in my entire life.


Then we'll know and my joints don't hurt anymore.


Weirdly, my my rheumatism cleared right up. The Osborne Russell suffers horrible rheumatism.


Did he use snake oil? No, but they don't have waiters. The trap and all that water into the winter trap and in spring, no waders, so he would talk about in the cold weather, just the horrible ache. Spending all those years in the water was no, just getting used to being an amazing time, toes. I bet you plenty of did. She's tough, tough dudes. So what else about is a very good yeah, man, it's great.


You know, there's probably those acorns down there.


He I think you just switch to him. The bear. You said it was a drought down in Colorado. So it was like right at the tail end of bear season. And they're all dried up, most of them. And, you know, when oftentimes when not that I have a bunch of experience shooting bears, but they'll often let out a little turd when you shoot them. And his was that pasty, creamy kind of tan acorn poop.


So you're familiar with it. So I don't spend a lot of time in the ACORN areas.


I think that's why the bears get big in Colorado, man, because they go berries and then they switch to those acorns and then if they're lucky, they find a carcass or two gambles.


Oh yeah. OK, yeah. OK, brush. Yeah. Huh.


I killed a deer and Tuskegee National Forest in Alabama one time. My brother was going to grad school down in Auburn, and he discovered, like the great deer hunting down there, and one time he was getting like five deer year down there.


And we one time I took a Greyhound bus from Montana to Alabama to hunt deer and we all got a buck. We're there for, like, I don't know, maybe a week Christmas break. And we all killed a black on Tuskegee National Forest. I remember sitting up in a magnolia tree.


Hunt deer breezeways shot back and pulled a stomach out, it was like a giant marble bag, it was just full of like Undig, like just hadn't even chewed and swallowed.


Like, I almost killed a dog on that trip on accident. Not almost, I got down and got ready, we're like walking along, I'm looking down a power cut. And there is a deer. It was a Great Dane like, what are the chances of that man? Wow.


Yeah, question I have is, did you carry a gun on the Greyhound with like you are now so paranoid, man, I took it apart. I did that twice, super paranoid, took it apart, put it in a duffle bag that you couldn't get away with that these days.


A very paranoid. Very, very paranoid. But it worked out, you know what, I'm telling a lie. I took my shotgun. On the Greyhound to hunt ducks when we hunted deer, I was lying, I didn't do that. I didn't bring I must use Danny. I don't know what it was. Yeah.


I took a shotgun when we the first time we went down there to hunt or maybe the second time, one time I went down to hunt ducks one time went down and hunt deer. I took shotguns like two and a half day greyhound ride. Worst thing that ever happened to me. Yeah.


Sounds like it.


To other priorities, right? About four or five or six songs.


Yeah. I'm here. It's good stuff. Yeah. You got to dip in now.


I mean I guess we, I guess you know you got one in there now. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. You ever sing songs about Dipen.


Nah nah nah. I'll leave that to the everybody else. You should write a song called Full Stadium.


Full Stadium. What's that mean. It's when you put DIBP on your upper and bottom lip. We call that a hug, no, I like that better.


All right, you now, regardless of stories from the Phelps woods. Oh, yeah, had a great hunt, it was interesting, we you know, we got invited to a friend of ours, private ranch.


For how many thousands of acres, but there's a couple thousand at least there to hunt and my goals since I was going to say at least, yeah, OK, my goal, since I was going to hunt with Jason Phelps, who manufactures game calls and started with calls, is like, you know, like knows a lot about an elk.


Was this guy on the planet? Yeah, I like him, like, better than Seth. Yeah.


And I tell you, it's like yo yo like him even more after you spend a week in hunting camp with him. Really? Yeah. Because I got to know him. You know, it's nice.


He actually offered I told him that you and I were hold on to some Wyoming elk points and he said, well, I think you guys have plenty of points to draw where I would like to take you and call for you next fall.


Seriously? Yeah. He seriously didn't even want to tag himself. He'd just come and call.


You're kidding me. I'm not. I got to ask, because you're usually on the other end of the calling thing. Got it. I got to know was he's even better. He's even better, Naani. Oh, no, no, no. I'm saying Yanase is usually the one doing the Colin Donnis better than everybody else.


I bet I know some St. John's, but nobody else.


Phelps is better now and I want to know what it was like.


It was wonderful just out there in my bow. In my hand and the arrow knocked and. Assailant is someone else, I think was the first bull. He called in a spike, you know, spikes come in, you can't shoot spikes in Colorado.


And I think the whole state there's I think there might be a couple places where you can Colorado, they to have four points on one antler or a five inch wrought-iron to be legal.


So usually when a spike comes in, you know, kind of like it's like, yeah, whatever will mess with them for a few minutes or whatever.


So but the first branch, Chantler Bull that he called in was a six point and we kind of a hasty setup. I didn't get hidden is not as much as I would like. You mean because all of a sudden it was just like real. We got in tight and he was right there because you're hearing him? Yeah. Yeah, he was bugling and we kind of ran in there. He was bugel, the bull responding to you or he was just beuerlein because he's being a little bit of both, but definitely responding to us.


You know, we were locating him. So you hustle in there.


We crossed kind of a a draw holer, kind of a feature on the top of this big ridge and crept up through some kind of not super dense, but some dense.


We were in open aspens and we had to go through some semi dense fir trees and we popped up on a little bench, nice, beautiful meadow. And you could tell it's kind of like a spot where you'd see some elk, you know, feet and doing their thing.


And he's bugling on the far side of it, maybe at one hundred yards maybe.


And we really quickly are like, all right. Which tree? That tree. That tree. And I should have gone to tree number one, but it just didn't look big enough.


And I went with tree number two, which had like four or five trees around it. I just would have been you know, hindsight is 20/20, but I would have been 10 yards closer and I maybe would have had this other, like, older type feature that would have blocked his view from me. He ended up picking me out.


But basically, as soon as I set up and you said, like, in front of the tree. Yeah, yeah.


And as soon as I set up, I see some cows feeding off to my left, like within both range.


And then I look up to the right kind of up this meadow off the ridge and I see more cows popping out of the woods feeding and this bull bugling. So we're like in the circle, right. Like it's going to happen.


But what's cool is that Jason's like, I don't know, 15 feet off to my right, just kind of off the edge of the you know, just the terrain drops off and he's kind of tucked down the base of a tree and he's like sitting there calling, but then talking to me about like what the bulls doing, what he's doing to, like, manipulate the bull and sort of like narrating the thing.


And the bulls doing exactly what Jason says he's going to do.


I'm like, wow, this dude really knows what's it's like he's not at all, like shaken up by the situation.


He's just very much methodically, like looking at it, analyzing and making moves and making sounds and, you know, making he's able to predict.


So it's not oh, it's not like just explaining what happened, as though, you know what you're talking.


Yeah, well, he's like trying things and he's like, no, that didn't seem to work or he didn't you go back at that sound or he did or that one made him start, you know, walking because pretty soon we could see, you know, the antlers coming from the far side. Yeah. And yeah, I'm like, oh, this is going to work out pretty good for me. But that one didn't because I wasn't covered up enough in it like 60 or 70 yards.


The bull eyeballed me and then spooked but just turned nine degrees and kind of walked out of the meadow and went back. You know, as soon as he goes out to cise our bugling again didn't he didn't like it. So we kept chasing them. But yeah. So we basically chased that herd. There is, I don't know, maybe three or four bulls bugling chased until dark, never got on him again.


Found a sweet campsite.


It's a really nice flat bench on this big ridge we were on.


It was interesting, one of the Stiller's nights I've ever spent in the woods. I mean, just like now, not once.


You know, I'm in the middle and I always seem to wake up and you feel that cold breeze and it wakes you up and you got to roll over and cover it up.


I mean, just none of it. There was no thermal even just like still like we were even like Bush, not our wind checkers. And you just puff it and it would just just sit there.


And so all night was like that. So, yeah.


So in the morning we get up and we figured we'd be here and I'm from camp, never heard a bugle all night. Started to get a little nervous. Then in the morning we walk maybe I don't know, two or three hundred yards and start doing a little location. Bugles and a boy answered us and then we pretty immediately, pretty much immediately got right back into the herd. Jason called one in and he came behind again, one of these sort of like Aldar type thickets, they really love rubbing these those Aldar thickets.


You know, I'm talking you don't see a lot of them because Aldar.


Yeah, I sent it to my wife and she texted back that the resident botanist could tell us households. Right.


And they love rubbing them, but you don't see a lot of them there. But in like the moist little drawer, like a Seip almost with a little more moisture, you always see these things and it's got a reddish inside to it.


Um, orange. Reddish maybe. You mean like when he's rubbing it, like when you get to the cambium layer, it's kind of it's like a Okri color. Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah.


So his first of all kind of comes in on the far side of one of these like masses whose clothes these, you know, 10 yards or less. But as he's coming around behind it, you know, he sees something, you know, me full draw sort of and probably and just never quite clear enough for me to let loose.


And Arrow has some stuff covering up your shoulder.


And so we knew where they were heading to bed or we thought we did. So we basically at that point, we could hear bulls moving in that direction. So we kind of backed out of there, did a loop behind them. And we're kind of coming up a ridge.


So we're on a big ridge and sort of where the ridge drops off into steep dark timber where we thought they had said we're running up that edge and trying to cut them off before they get into the timber, you know, and we get in pretty tight.


We actually think that they probably heard us.


You know, we have four people, you know, pushing it to get in there.


The bull that I shot probably heard us come in and probably thought, oh, that's, you know, more elk joining this, you know, group that we're in. So we got in there again under a hundred yards, Jason Bueler, a couple of times. And you could just see this bull start walking down and he might have been ten yards off this edge that I'd keep referencing. And he's sort of like an alleyway through the woods that he was coming down and he stops it maybe like forty.


And I can't see him. And Jason's like, he's at 40. I'm like, yeah, I know. He's somewhere in there. I don't have a lane. And then a few seconds later he's like, OK, he's walking again, you know? So I drew then and then I could see him pop out.


He's walking kind of slightly quarter in two.


And then it's amazing how those animals, like when you call, they know what tree that call came from, like they know where you're standing because he's walking, walking and kind of looking down the alleyway. And then right in this little gap that we're standing in, looking out into the alleyway, it's like as soon as he's parallel with that, he turns to look right in there.


He's like, that's where that bullet should be. That I heard Beuerlein, right? Yeah. So he turns right in there and.


You know, up until a couple of days prior to that, I probably never would have taken a frontal shot on an elk, meaning like shooting them straight in his chest.


You know, I was always going to wait for broadside or quarter in a way.


And Jason told me that he killed last four out of five of his bulls, taken that shot.


And so this ball rolls in it like we think it's 15 or 16 yards. And right at the end, he pretty much turns his straight on with me at all. There's no quartering anymore at all. And I'm thinking to myself, well, that's be a good opportunity to try this.


And so I let loose Jason and even told me, you know, basically aim right where the color changes, where that mane ends, you know, and sort of that brisket starts and that arrow disappeared inside of him.


And before he spun, you know, you could see the blood spurt now. Oh, is there Jason Bugles once and then right when his bugle ends, you just hear this loud crash, which was him running into an Aspen and then kind of crashing across these fallen logs that were falling Aspen logs that were on the ground.


And I'm guessing he was dead in three to five seconds. Really? Yeah.


I mean, just so, so fast, had we just stepped out into that alleyway that I described that he walked down, we would have seen him.


He went 70 yards from where I shot him. We could have seen him piled up. But, you know, you never know. And so we just said, you know what? Let's just plop down right here. We'll give it 45 minutes and then we'll go look. But, yeah, we could have just stopped out there and walked right up to him.


I mean, he was dead instantly. Nice. Yeah.


So film the whole damn thing, though. Yeah. Some great, great footage. Yeah. We got good footage. So yeah we probably called in.


I don't know Jason but I think called in including that spike four or five balls for me and then I called in one for him and the remaining two days that we had.


Got him close, but six yards, he just wouldn't step out from behind. All right, he was a full draw for a long time, two or three, to the point where Jayson had to let down because he's at full draw for so long. So he'll take us. He'll he'll go.


And if we use our whelming points, he'll go with us. Mm hmm. Do that. Be fun and very fun.


No, it's great. Great hunting with him. He's he's a real pro. We had a blast.


What do you think of all that Tailem call? I heard one thing that hurt my ear. Ears of Jericho Bush.


Steep, dark timber. That's oh, that's a good song somewhere in there. I don't know if it's a song that was in there somewhere.


All right. You're going to you're going to rip out what you've got to think. You've got to add then you going to rip out your tune for us. Oh, yeah.


Yeah, we're going to. And do you want I've somebody I mean, I always grew up more efficient just because that's what my dad and I did been hunting twice and I'd love to do some more of just never had the opportunity to always just fish, you know, always seem to be I never had any lessons and you know what I mean. But I've had two people take me.


I seem to like the more moving around, like we did some rabbit hunting, you know, that's fun. Yeah. Sitting on the stand for I definitely first time I went, fell asleep and knocked my head on the front thing and I was like, yeah.


Like moving around a little bit, you know.


You live in Nashville. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've been there two years now, so it's been it's been a great two years.


Is it is that a good move for aspiring musicians.


Oh, that's the wild thing man. It's all I feel like what I'm doing with my music is very organic because a lot of people, they want to be, you know, the next this or that. And they like, oh, you got to move to Nashville, make it like, oh, you always hear that song, The Ride.


Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. David Onco, right. Yeah. And it's about going to Nashville.


That's like one of those things.


I never move there until I had my first publishing deal. So I played and sang my first ever gig January twenty eighteen and had a publishing deal with a major company that September and still didn't even move there. And you know, it funded me. I stayed back in South Carolina to get this bad boy right here. I always wanted to I thought he had some guitar.


It was in a burning house or something. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. For sure. That's what the wild story is, is when I was about six, I got a drum set.


My dad, he's a carpenter and he spent three years of his life time building this two story log cabin. We only got to live in for a few months. And let me know the sad part.


Yeah. Oh yes. About here. I do though. And moods. And so one day I was at school and the house caught on fire and it burned everything we had and the mail truck came up with my first guitar. He's like, I almost didn't bring this up, but I figured somebody needed it. And that's all I had. And really, as I say, the rest is history.


What do you think of that accompaniment? That's good. It's like when you watch one of those short films and you get to like a sad part.


And when I got the diagnosis, the music would be like in the arms of the angel when the doctor called with the diagnosis.


Our hearts just sank like that. That's the only special job Steve is going to play us a new team. Yeah, yeah. Oh, so do you sell music to means your sold a song? You're not a musician.


I know, but a lot of I have the market too with the publishing deal.


So a lot of people in my field, you know, they I'm more of an artist side of things, so I write all my own stuff and which just not something you look to do.


Yeah. Just because I don't know, it's it's one of those things that the way my mind works and how I write and how I play is so not set me apart and it's just so different. It's not necessarily wassailing but yeah. So like somebody like myself, you know, they go in and they write, you know, at least two times a week, if not more. And, you know, they might pitch that to Jason Aldean and get something like that.


But, you know, I just I love language too much play on words for that to be, you know, coming through the radio. But I mean, the peers I work with, you know, Keith Urban songs, my buddy Dave Panish, he the first person I ever co-wrote a song with, and he's written, you know, American Toby Keith, all kinds of stuff, Keith Urban stuff and as well, because, like my mom grew up Love and Keith Urban, my early stuff.


And now to see, you know, play a gig at the Bluebird Cafe, which is pretty special place in Nashville, and she gets to see the people, the stories behind and meet them. And it's like, hmm, at least I'm making a little bit proud, you know what I mean? That's good. Yeah. Yeah.


No staples that Mike.


Yeah, well, you take this one. So this one this tune to new brandy tunes. So y'all hard at first. This one I didn't even it's it's going to be on the new record. I know they probably won't let me play and stuff that I hang out but you'll get, you'll get to hear this first is a good one. That's called black powder.


So black powder soul. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I like the women throw themselves at you when they see in the airport.


I usually have a big pelican case like from my because it's nice guitar. You don't just be slinging this, you know, pretty easy. So if people like what is that in that case? And they always ask and when I walk through people think it's like an AK 47 or something. So once I gets through and I get through, they're like, what is that?


And I always like my samurai sword, you know, and just throws people off as I try to be dry humor. And it's sometimes I just don't connect.


But anyway, here's this new tune called Black Powder, so.


I'm a war soldier, I'm a lawless man, don't play poker since I started smoking over some bootleg moonshine in my bathtub gin. That's why my over on the is my only friend. Are you.


Dark clouds above me. Oh, yeah, and the fire is low. My heart is pounding. My blood roams cold. Oh, you can run the table again, I'll run them. Cowboys and horses, Honus Steel will hang. The best blood money is what keeps you fed when there ain't no running. Dark clouds above me, oh, and the fire is. My heart is pounding, my bones cold, I got a black. So right here, right here in the ticker, I loved it.


Yeah, a great voice. Sounds awesome. Oh no, it's great. That's my favorite song, man.


Thank you. Yeah, I like the overunder touch. That's like insider. So that's the people, because most people would be like double barrel people.


People this is this kind of interesting point is people are always curious about the song. You know, is it the words of the you know, and it's just it's a hard thing to explain. Like that tune itself took three days to write.


And so like the first two verses, I give you a little insight on it that might help with that process, because any time somebody like a songwriter tries to explain it, you know, it's this it's one of those things like how can you explain something that has, you know, infinity possibilities down to the letter, you know?


And, you know, the first I started with the line, I'm a war soldier. I'm a lawless man. You know, what does that put in your head? You know, like this guy, he ain't seen the war, but he's a lawless man.


He's like he's he's out here in Bozeman running around, shooting some, you know what I mean? And, yeah, just kind of the course of that black powder. So, you know, that kind of tied everything up with this.


I don't know, I just love this kind of Western vibe of, you know, you get you get kind of like Western, you know. Oh, for sure it was, you know, something like that. And yes, I like the overunder stuff as I hadn't done a stint in Spokane. But damn, that's a good line. You know what I mean?


Yeah. If you're writing a song and someone's got to do a stint somewhere else, the plays that you see over my bathtub gin, you know what I mean?


That's cool. Yeah. Well, thanks, man.


Yeah, man. Thank you for having me. Wish you the best luck in your career. Thank you. Yeah. I heard I heard that you're going to become really famous.


Man, I hope we can make money and get a little place over here in Paradise Valley. Yeah. You have someone you have a music biz person who you can't.


He really is enthusiastic about your talent, man.


It's all worked out. That's why I say it's down to the teeth that I'm made to do this, I believe, because I would have never I thought I was going to be a fish and guy the rest of my life, you know, and the people I've met, you know, only idiots do that, right, Brody?


Yes, correct. The the guy that you're talking about, you know, we he met it like I was playing one of my first places in Nashville.


And that night I met my manager who was to this day him and got my publishing deal that night. The guy from the production company, he stayed in the green room with us until four o'clock in the morning listening to the songs. And he was like, you know, tell me what he's going to do. And I was like, yeah, I, I will ever see this guy again.


And so I went back to work in construction because that's what I did for moved up there. And sure enough, he called me and he's like, you know, we're going to get you up here. And it's like, man, you know what I mean? How old are you. Twenty three.


You playing to. Oh yeah. Yeah. He says old enough to be your daddy man. Everybody is.


Yeah. No.


Well yeah. Hopefully we'll get to come see alive. Oh. When I went to live shows or thing again.


Definitely. Yeah.


I'll be like I knew that son of a bitch. Yeah. Yeah. He was singing when he was singing intros. Now Charles for Yoni's. But I know man that's just I'll me for a minute but now I give a shout out.


Yeah, yeah, yeah.


That's great man. Best of luck to you. That's coming on the show. Thank you for having me. Thank you very much. Taylor McCall. How people go find your tandem call.


You can go and tell them call Dotcom. And we just we got the online store for if you want to get a T-shirt or a hat or something, that's good. We you can find me on Instagram, Taylor McCall music and everywhere else.


But the tune you just read the tune, you just not you didn't read it. That's right. Or Langridge, the tune you just played is not available, only available here, if you like what you heard there.


We recorded the album in November and it'll be here soon and that song will be on.


That is better than that.


Yeah, I was originally there was this tune Quartermaster that's coming out of for you. And I was like, man, I got to hear some black powder.


So today. Quartermasters is a great name for a song that I wrote, it is kind of this kind of this guy goes to war and you know how usually the husband dies, you know?


Well, he comes back from war and quartermaster kind of you know, he wasn't a chopper gunner. You know, he was hanging out sleeping bags and he come back and his wife died. So I was kind of holed up in on this like in isolation.


That's why I loved writing this huge book case I was writing. And I picked up picked up a book. And of the book was Gentlemen Swords and Pistols. And that spiraled into, like, this whole song about that. And, you know, that's what writing songs is. You know what I mean? To me, it's like taking that one thing and turning it into, you know, like that story in just an imagination. I got a crazy brain.


I guess. That's great, man. I keep it crazy. All right. Thanks a lot. Tailem called, check them out. Buy some stuff from them. Sweethearts. Listen to the music, the new album is called What Not. Not sure yet. Yeah, you have a name, but it's coming out. Yeah, it's coming out. This includes black powder sold. Yes. We got so many songs just whittling down, you know what I mean?


Black powder. So, yeah, I might do some, like, backup on that show. Yeah. All right, guys, thanks a lot.