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If you crack open an American history book, it's sure to be filled with founding fathers, bloody wars and the inventions that brought this country to the industrial age. But there's a whole other world that waits for us in the shadows, tales of unlikely heroes, world changing tragedies and legends that are unique to this country's spirit. So join me, Lauren Volcom, for a tour of American history, unlike any other through a new podcast from My Heart Radio and Aaron Minsky's Grim and mild, get ready for American Shadows.

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Listen to American Shadows on Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. The Gold Club was the top strip club in Atlanta in the 1990s with patrons like Dennis Rodman, Michael Jordan, Madonna, the king of Sweden.

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But in 2001, the club was put on trial with charges of prostitution, extortion, credit card fraud, racketeering and an affiliation with the mob. I'm journalist Christina Lee, and I'll be taking you behind the scenes of the Gold Club scandal from the beauty and bubbly to the deceit and courtroom drama.

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Listen to Racket Inside the Gold Club on the I Heart radio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast. Welcome to the Pickton Massacre, a production of I Heart Radio and studios in April 2016, when eight members of the rodent family were murdered in their homes, the media descended on the sleepy town of Paterson, Ohio.

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Community clearly shaken after this morning's multiple homicide.

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People in this small community being told to be on alert tonight as news of the unthinkable and gruesome killings spread to the small rural community is left reeling and rumors begin swirling.

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Discoveries of the murder scenes are now advancing the theory that killings could be related to a drug cartel. Authorities aren't commenting on whether they have any potential suspects. All the bad stuff happens in the big cities, but the devil works everywhere.

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But in the aftermath of the arrests of six members of the Wagner family, attention turns to the very people responsible for the investigation. There was this belief among almost everybody I talked to about incompetence when it came to law enforcement in that county. There's nobody watching the watchers in these small communities. And in many cases that can lead to major corruption and the dark secrets of a once quiet town are slowly brought to light.

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There's been a lot of murders here that have not been solved. But if I say what I think, I could probably end up in the river. This is the Python massacre, episode five, Air and Opportunity. In the days after the killings, the road murders became an international headline, and it was a sensational story, a series of murders, multiple potential motives, all taking place in a small town in Ohio. I'm Courtney Armstrong, a TV producer at Katie's Studios, where I work with Stephanie Lydecker and Jeff Shane, we've been following the case for a long time and through the course of our investigation, learned that the town of Pectin, Ohio, has its own story to tell.

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Journalist Jeff Winckler wrote about the story for the website, the outline. He told me about his impressions of the initial reporting coming out of pectin.

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It was a big media story for about two weeks. And, you know, everybody from all over came to cover it all over the world. And a lot of people had been summarily executed in the middle of Appalachia and no one knew what was going on. I mean, I grew up in the Ozarks in Arkansas, and these are people I feel familiar with. You know, when I go up to New York, California, that's like a Disneyland and it's a strange gathering place.

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These these areas and and folks like this are not bewildering to me in the same way that they were to the people who came down and covered the story originally. I'd get a lot of talk of look at these people smoking and wearing camo and a lot of gawking. You know, it was just these sort of quotes from sad sort of backwoods people is how they're perceived. And that's that's just not where I come from. But I think this thing that stood up for me was just how human everyone was.

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Python resident Angie Montgomery shared her view of the media coverage with producer Jeff Shane.

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How do you think like Python and like Pike County in general, I guess, has been portrayed in the media?

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I don't think they've been very kind to us. I've seen a lot of reports where they call us uneducated, hillbilly, just dumb that they don't think we're a bunch of inbred. I've actually seen that in some reports and and it's sad.

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While it's easy for some to view the town of Python through this kind of provincial, almost stereotypical lens. It's not what we found when we visited the area.

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It's pretty far removed from the big cities of Ohio. It's about an hour and a half south from Columbus, an hour and a half east of Cincinnati, and just under 30 minutes from the Ohio River, which basically separates southern Ohio from northeastern Kentucky.

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There's a Wal-Mart, there's a restaurant. There used to be this great dive bar that has since closed, I believe. And look for the 20, 200 residents packed in his home. Native Barbara and Jeff actually spoke a bit about that when we were there. Pickton's considered a village and iste it is a small just a small little town that has a grocery store and a pizza shop and gas stations. And there's a tire shop. People sit and talk at the gas station wherever wherever they go, they people know each other and they just sit and talk, you know, at the tire shop you're waiting for a or an oil change or whatever.

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You sit there and chat with your neighbor or whoever happens to come in. You probably know who it is. You know somebody everywhere or you know somebody that knows somebody everywhere, anywhere you go.

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I imagine that is probably like sometimes kind of enjoyable. And then other times it's probably pretty maddening. Yeah. Sometimes people know when when I spend the day in my pool or when I skip a day, if I if there's a day goes by, I don't get my vote. Next time I see someone else, I say, how come you weren't your pool the other day? So it's crazy, see?

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The majority of people we spoke with depicted Picart in this way, small town, USA. Everyone knows everyone. Nobody ever lock their doors growing up. But when we started to pull back the curtain, it was clear that in harbored some dark secrets. Secrets that didn't start with the rodent's. It seems like there's like two sides of baktun, which is one is like the blue collar hard workers who, you know, want to raise their families the right way, and yet somehow something horrible still did happen to this town.

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I think it's like every town you're going to find that wherever you go there going to be the ugly part. Hampikian has it. Jeff spoke to Stefan, a former pectin resident who had recently left town. She shared Barbara's sentiments about the community.

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I want to ask you so you now you're in Florida and you're away from Python and all of this, but it still seems like it's very much a part of your DNA, right?

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I haven't been home since July, a year before last, since twenty eighteen. And I just I don't know if I'll ever really, like, go back and live there ever. You know, if you look back through the history of Python, you know, there's there's quite a bit of things that just happen that, you know, there's no explanation for get swept under the rug. I don't know. I think there's just more evil there than than just what happened to those eight.

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Stefan's remarks left us unsettled, but when we followed up with investigative reporter Jodi Barr, he seemed to corroborate her thoughts with some troubling stories he had heard during his time covering the road in case this was national news, the day the day after a few days after it happened.

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But as it typically happens with news cycles, the national folks move on to the next big story. We were left with that and we would get emails and constant questions of phone calls about new information. Is there anything to know? And there was nothing to know. So our boss came to me and said, hey, can you go over and start digging into this and see if there's anything at all that we could find out? I was in Pike County a lot and I kept getting stories about other homicides in Pike County.

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And I thought, man, if there were that many homicides in a county, this small man, there could be something here that we don't yet know. And it's worth taking a look. Through his research, Jodi discovered that there have been at least three recent cases in Bay County involving multiple homicides, cases like the January 26 murders of Candace Newsome and her teenage daughter, Christina. They were both shot execution style in their home.

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Police finally did arrest the Newsom's neighbor for their murders, and 2019 neighbor, Christian R. Davis, was indicted by a grand jury but did not plea, nor has he been convicted. But there was plenty of chatter on social media, none of which can be confirmed, mentioning the possibility of an accomplice to the murders. Still at large.

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Candice Newsome, sister Darla has even spoken publicly. She thinks that her sister and Lisa's murder may be related to the Rodin's stating that they ran in the same circles. What struck me about Candace and Christina was just the fact, the similarities between just the idea that in the middle of the night these people were gunned down in the in their homes while they slept.

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Just it is striking. You know, before I even read any other details, just hearing that when you recently wrote, in case you're like, well, that's weird. You know, 15 minutes away, it's the same exact style of murder. Yes. I mean, it was just so odd that you had that type of crime, it happening in a place like that. Then in April 2016, just weeks before the rodents were killed, Douglas Etman and Carolyn and Tomlinson were shot execution style in their home.

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According to Jody Barr, one detail of the crime struck a familiar chord, a double homicide for children left alive. This is very similar to the Rowden case.

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Mean again, it's a striking coincidence that in the same area this is happening in the same month, the same month and year that the Rodin's were murdered. This is also happened.

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That's what led us down the path of even looking at these cases, because we had heard that there were other people who were shot nothern execution style in their homes.

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And you're looking at the Rowden case and then you see these other cases in a county that small, you start asking yourself what the hell is going on? Because this it doesn't make sense that this is happening there unless there is some sort of common denominator. And it's still hard to believe today that there were these types of murders that took place in a county so small with so few people living in it. I mean, you don't hear about that big cities and you sit back and you wonder to yourself, what is going on?

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I mean, why is this happening? Fortunately, police arrested Douglas Etman uncle Charles, and his cousin James Allen on suspicion of Douglas and Caroline's murder, each faces 20 to 50 years or life in prison with enhanced sentencing for capital offenses.

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Also a possibility. The pair were indicted but had not pled or been convicted. The case is ongoing. According to investigators, it was a drug related killing, the motive for Candace and Christina Newsom's murders, however, remains unclear. But beyond the methods of these killings, there's another thing that Jodi told us about the ties them all together. And in some cases, people get away with it for extended periods of time. Candice Newsome and her teenage daughter, Christina, it took four years before investigators charged a neighbor and family friend with murder and that that's four years.

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And the alleged perpetrator in that case is, what, a next door neighbor? And it took four years to piece that together. It's just you wonder, Pike County, if people were getting good at committing crimes, potentially getting away with it.

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One case that remains unsolved is a 2006 murder of 34 year old Curtis Francis and 30 year old Jennifer Piguet Francis and Jennifer Birgitt, they were both shot and killed in their beds and their homes in the middle of the night.

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When I'm looking through these incident reports of these murders and I go, whoa, this sounds very similar to the road case. You know, two people shot in their bed, in their homes in the middle of the night. And I thought, this is this is what we need to pursue.

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But no one would talk. We couldn't find out any information. All the search warrants were sealed at the courthouse and there's absolutely no arrest. Ten years later, there's nothing here we are today, still nothing. We're in a dead end and may never be solved. And unfortunately, there are other cases like that there that just didn't get the attention. We're going to take a quick break here, we'll be back in a moment. What if we reimagine the word citizen not as a weapon to divide us, but as a verb, inviting us all to wield our collective power?

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Pretty dull, Ponte. In this time of pandemic and revolution, you may find yourself frustrated at high levels of corruption and inequality, at our inability to get basic things done at the persistence of systemic racism. You are not alone. I'm Baratunde Thurston. I've produced for The Daily Show, advised the Obama White House and screamed way too much at my screen.

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Now I've made a show for us. In it we highlight people mobilizing their communities, having an impact on some of the biggest challenges we face. We offer you ways to get involved and we remind you that we, the people, have the collective power to change how our society works and for whom. Listen to how a citizen with Baratunde on the I Heart radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to podcast.

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Blood on the Tracks is a new podcast about legendary music producer Phil Spector and the murder of Lana Clarkson. This podcast is hosted by me, Jake Brenin, creator and host of the award winning music and true crime podcast Disgrace and twenty seven Club.. This new serialized podcast is part true crime, part historical fiction and part spoken word lo fi bete noire. Each episode is told from the perspective of the people who knew Phil Spector best, his so-called friends. Season one features 10 episodes and is released.

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Weekly episodes are packed with secrets, confessions and revelations and are narrated by the fictionalized voices of real people like Lenny Bruce, Ronnie Spector, Ike Turner, John Lennon, Debbie Harry and more. Just like Phil Spector. This podcast sounds like nothing you've heard before because you can't push the needle into the red without leaving a little blood on the tracks. Blood on the Tracks contains adult content and explicit language. Listen to Blood on the tracks in the I Heart radio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Let's take one quick step back for a minute and really look at the Kurtas Francis and Jennifer Bergert case, that's the couple who was also shot in their home while they slept in 2006.

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They only lived about 15 minutes down the road from the road in property 15 minutes into this day. That case remains unsolved. For Angie Montgomery Curtis, Francis's cousin, it remains a devastating memory without closure. She spoke to Jeff about it.

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I was shocked that I had never even heard of Curtis in Jennifer's case, because it's a pretty it's egregious that this happened, that it's unsolved. And it just seems crazy that another in such a small community that something like this could happen again.

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And so what I would love to do and maybe it would kind of be to like walk through Kurt and Jenny's case and kind of like explain who they were and any of the facts that you know about the case.

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Well, Curtis was a very hardworking, good guy, lovely family, loved hunting animals, vision and all that stuff. And he would help anybody. And he was very protective. That's one word I like to use to describe him. Very protective of the people we love. Jim was a good girl, always taking care of others. I think they just got mixed up with the wrong people.

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The wrong people, Angie's referring to our local drug dealers, the most of the crime that happens around here, like a car that's breaking and entering and things like that, or is from drugs, there's a huge problem with opioids and methamphetamine here. Huge. And that probably does play a part in every almost every murder that's happened probably in the past 10 years. I think the people that killed my cousin lived, I think, four or five minutes up the road from her, and they were big drug dealers and Curtis didn't some money supposedly for marijuana.

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So you feel like you know who did it? Oh, yes. I don't want to be that person, but I'm I'm pretty blunt and upfront in the law enforcement here. They have mishandled curtains in case from the RIP.

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When Angie says law enforcement, she's talking about the Pike County Sheriff's Office, the same agency heavily involved in conducting the Rowden murder investigation in 2016, a plumber discovered a well that had seemed to have been mysteriously hidden with rocks and dirt.

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It was on a property that, according to eyewitness statements, was the last place Curtis Francis was seen on the night of his murder. The Pike County sheriff's office was called in to investigate. Officers lowered a plumber's drain camera into the well and discovered what appeared to be burned clothes and a gun. It was a dirty, dirty six. Look at the bottom of the well in Curtis's pistol that was taken the night of the murders. And that's what they were shot with a 38 six, both of them potentially with a potential murder weapon lying just 30 feet down.

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Well, the Pike County Sheriff's Office decided to use a curious tactic to recover the gun. They called in a fire truck to pump water into the well, to try and push the firearm back up out of the well shaft so investigators could get their hands on it. It did not go as planned.

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They blew the water down the well, which in turn made the ground break because of the force of a fire hose can blow the skin off. So when they did that, this is what they told us that happened. When they did that, it busted the ground loose, the guns went down into the ground, and that they don't have the money or the equipment to get them out. So they hired a guy to seal the well shut. He's a welder.

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He welded the well shut. And that was it. I think after this fiasco with the guns in the well, when the guns were found and how they handled that situation and handled the possible murder weapon, I think they're ashamed and they should be. They took probably the only hope we have of any type of physical evidence in blood to smithereens, basically, and nothing has been done with that. With Curtis and Jennifer's case going cold, Angie decided to pursue the killers herself.

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I've spent years and years, I've got a file after file after file of things I've I've done, I've actually went and got names. I went and talked to people. Well, I'm just going to be honest with you. I've done what the police I've tried to do, what the police haven't done, which is talk to people, get information, get dates, get time, get people talking. You know, all you've seen that day, OK, who was with him?

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What was his demeanor? Things like that. There's eyewitness statements. And I've tried my best to get somebody or anybody just to listen. It's pretty cut and dry. You know, I've had a few people out of state that are like retired homicide investigators and sort of look at the case and tell me that they can't, for the life of them, figure out why there hasn't been an arrest made for the town that we, you know, the size of our town.

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There's been a lot of murders here that have not been solved. It's ridiculous. But if I say what I think, I could probably end up in the river. According to Jody Barr and his thoughts about the Pike County sheriff's office are shared by many in the community.

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The impression I got from the people at Pike County when I was working there covering the road murders, there was this belief among almost everybody I talked to about incompetence when it came to law enforcement in that county and the lack of that sheriff's office ability to do a large scale murder investigation and carry that through to a prosecution.

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And the man at the head of the Pike County Sheriff's Office is none other than Sheriff Charles Reeder. You've heard about Sheriff Rader before. He's the officer who stated he would stop at nothing to solve the Rodin's case. I've got a message for the killers. We will find you. The family and the victims will have justice one day.

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To a lot of people watching these news conferences, readers passionate campaign for Justice was admirable. But to journalists like Jeff Winckler, his determination belied his mishandling of the rodent investigation from the very start.

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It was the largest mass murder in Ohio's history and law enforcement beginning a local law enforcement, was almost comically inept to handle such a large and bloody incident. They were just they weren't equipped to handle it from the very beginning. The investigation and they bungled a lot of stuff right from the get go. It was one problem after another. Nearly a month after the bodies were found, Sheriff Ritter had key pieces of evidence, including the Rodin's mobile homes and automobiles, moved to a warehouse and the nearby town of Waverly.

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Jody Barr was on the scene and told Jeff what he saw. So I'm out of the warehouse where they move these vehicles, the equipment from all the road and properties where they move the four mobile homes where these murders happen. There's a large fence around this huge outdoor lot and it is full of cars and ATVs, farm equipment, backhoes, huge tractor trailers. So as a reporter with at least a small knowledge of the chain of custody of evidence, I know that with all of this evidence just 50 yards away from me, that you've got to have it secured somehow.

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There's got to be a police officer, someone there with a gun and a badge or swear an oath to uphold the laws and the constitution of the state of Ohio. They are guarding that. That was not the case. Yes.

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So it's the largest criminal investigation in the state's history. And the main evidence is not getting watched.

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There was no one in that parking lot watching that evidence. So when you drive up to a warehouse and you look and there's nothing between you and hundreds of pieces of evidence except er an opportunity, if that doesn't raise a red flag, I don't think you're doing your job. I knew at that point in time that there was something to explore here because potentially this evidence, if it's unguarded, they can establish a chain of custody, this entire investigation could be jeopardized.

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So that's why we took when we took Mike Allen, the former Hamilton County district attorney, we took him to Pike County. I called him. I said, hey, I want to take you to Pike County. Here's what I found. I don't want to show you what I found yet. I just want to take you to this warehouse and you give me your impressions of what we see there through the eyes of a prosecutor.

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Here's Mike Allen. Jody was on this thing like white on rice, and I went up there with him and that's when I noticed it, too. And, you know, you've got it seems to me it was close to 30, 40, maybe even 50 vehicles that had a fence around them. Well, that's fine. But it would have taken an old man like me about ten seconds to climb over that fence and take something out of one of those vehicles, plant something, put something in one of the vehicles.

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It just it just was not done right. I mean, anybody involved in law enforcement from that first week that you're at the police academy, you learned that you must preserve the evidence and you must preserve that chain of custody of the evidence. And I don't know what, if anything, they pulled out of any of those cars. But if I were defending this case and they tried to introduce any of that evidence, I would be all over it and I would move to have the evidence excluded because it just was not properly secured.

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So Jodi began preparing a report about the evidence fiasco for news station FOX 19 in Cincinnati soon after Jodi and his crew were approached by Sheriff Charles Reeder, who presented them with a curious offer. The sheriff's office declined to comment, but here is Jodi's side of the story.

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He tried to make a deal with us just to not air that that warehouse story. And the deal was that he was going to give us his unfettered access where we could do this first hundred hours with Charlie Reeder after he learned the murders. If we wouldn't do this, that always still sits with me today. It pissed me off then because I'm like, you know, what do you think we are? We don't make deals. My photographer, our you know, we got back in the car that we're going, what the hell just happened here?

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Never have we ever experienced that. Let's stop here for another quick break. We'll be back in a moment. Hey, this is Jason McIntyre, join me every weekday morning on my podcast, Street Fire with Jason McIntyre. This isn't your typical sports pot pushing the same tired narratives down your throat every day. Straight fire gives you a level of authenticity you just don't get. In sports media today, honest opinions on all the biggest sports headlines, accurate stats to help you win big at the sports book and direct conversations with all the best guess.

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What were you doing in college in your early 20s? Probably some partying, hooking up with that cute someone desperately trying to pick your future career and maybe even spending some time finding yourself. Yeah, me too. In season two of your young rocker, I tell the story of my own early 20s.

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It's a raw, honest, strange and entertaining story about how we all end up becoming ourselves even when we try to be someone else. Hopefully your journey didn't involve getting sucked into a cult, running away to an island to be a made for billionaires and lots of shoplifting. But that's what happened when I tried to give up the one thing I love more than anything playing music. Join me Chelsea Erson for Dear Young Rocker Season two. Dear Young Rocker is executive produced by Jake Brennan of Disgraced Land and comes to you from Double Elvis Productions and I Heart Radio.

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Listen to Dear Young Rocker on the I Heart radio app Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. In June 2019, Rader was indicted on eight felonies and eight misdemeanors, these felony charges are not directly related to the Rodin investigation. He was accused of conflict of interest, theft in office and tampering with evidence, among other nefarious activities, according to reports, are also allegedly stole cash seized from drug arrest to fund a gambling problem. Here's investigative journalist James Pilcher.

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Yeah, he had a gambling addiction and he decided, oh, I'll just use my own forces money to feed it.

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Yeah, and in places like this and I'm not going to say it's necessarily a lack of journalistic outlets keeping tabs or whatever, but there's no accountability. There's nobody watching the watchers in these small communities. And in many cases that can lead to major corruption. It's definitely worth noting that Sheriff Ritter has pled not guilty to all of these charges. However, to Jody Barr, it's just another surreal event to what seems like a never ending bizarre story.

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Reader was shoulder to shoulder with Mike DeWine, the now governor who was then the attorney general when these murders happened. They together were updating the nation about what happened here in those days after the murders. And where are you going? Is this real? Then you read what the indictments allege and you read what the grand jury handed up. And then you just have to assume if a grand jury is handing up an indictment that there's been an investigation conducted, there have been facts gathered.

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A prosecutor has reviewed that. I mean, evidence tampering and tampering with records. You're talking about a guy who led the sheriff's office and who for a time, a moment in time when this first happened, these murders first happened, who was also leading that investigation until the state came in and took it over? You just sit back and go, man, let's see where this ends. I mean, Pike County has been a crazy ride ever since the end of April of twenty sixteen.

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And it's still right now you've got people awaiting trial, facing the death penalty on eight murders. The sheriff indicted, removed from office. It has been an absolutely crazy half a decade there.

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Still, the people of Paterson are torn about Sheriff Reider, he put this town before him, he cared about Pike County.

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Here's Rowden family friend Brittny talking to Stephanie Lydecker.

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If it wasn't for him, he for Charlie Reader, they wouldn't have came close to even finding out about the Wagners. Honestly, that's my opinion. How come? Because he worked his ass off to find. Like, that's all he did was investigate all of that. He didn't like he didn't like he done his job like he went and, you know, like he was doing really well and by county, like keeping this, but getting the drugs off the streets and whatnot.

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But he still made the effort, a lot of effort into the road in case Charlie had dedicated himself to getting justice for the road and family.

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And then he was booted. Not that that long ago.

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Apparently, he was taking the money from the road in case for gambling. But honestly, I don't believe it because. I don't know, I just don't believe that they just were finding reasons to get him out of office. Angie Montgomery holds a much different view of Sheriff Reeder. Now he's blaming his gambling habits on because the what he seen as the road and crime scenes have haunted him so much, he couldn't sleep. So he would go gamble or known Charlie for 30 years.

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And he's been gambling way before this happened. And that's just that just to me, shows you his character. You know, I'm going to I'm going to use the death of eight people to try to smooth over that. I'm still in many of my county and gambling, and that is disgusting to me. I just think there's a lot of dirty deeds that go on around here, and I think that they will do anything they can to keep them covered up.

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Do we have a lot of crime here? Yeah, because of drugs. Do we have a lot of drug activity here? Yes, way more than there was 15 years ago. Is it safe here? I'm more scared of law enforcement than I am of the people that killed my cousin. You're afraid to say anything when in reality, yeah. Some things are out there that you think cause you go down the tunnel rabbit hole. When you talk to two and three hundred people like I have over the course of two and two years, you find out a lot of crap and it does take you down this rabbit hole.

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Is it true? You don't know. But by God, it looks like something isn't right. Pike County is a it's beautiful as far as landscape. It's a beautiful place. You know, we're full farmers and just down to earth people. But there's a lot of dirty people here, too, and most of them are in power. So with Sheriff Rita's ethics being brought into question, does this impact the charges brought against the Wagners? Here's Jeff Winkler again.

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I would assume, you know, the charges against Reider, the felonies and misdemeanors about Dean, you know, through and through corrupt when it came to both law enforcement and financial dealings. Yeah, I would assume this is going to affect a lot of things. In fact, the prosecutor for the piped in area also just resigned.

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This just sort of makes you start thinking about everything that happened, getting. Now you're seeing these charges and these resignations and, you know, it doesn't speak well about finding any answers to this. Every answer we get about what happened to the rodents seems to leave more questions. So how through all of these other crimes did officials zero in on the Wagners?

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Police received over 1100 tips. They conducted over 500 interviews, tested about 700 pieces of evidence that served close to 200 search warrants, subpoenas and other things. So this was something that was huge.

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So when you read these indictments, you know, they were talking about the waggers movement even months before these murders happened for months to plan this out. I mean, that's every day for four months. That's the full time job. You know, they're hacking computers and were surveillance cameras on those properties. If we are to believe what the prosecution has alleged, you know, this paints a very dark picture.

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Everybody has started basically attacking in the community, accusing them of murdering those people. One day she was I can't believe it. They just won't leave us alone. They just will not leave us alone. We're starting to get really worried that we're going to be arrested. More to come next week. Paten, Massacre's executive produced by Stephanie Lydecker, and me, Courtney Armstrong, editing and sound design by executive producer Jared Asten Additional producing by Jeff Shane and Andrew Becker.

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