There is nothing more beautiful than a being that knows itself, there is nothing more intoxicating, inspiring, powerful than it being, that is sitting inside of itself very authentically with a lot of truth. And so it's not about manifesting or grabbing or getting or competing. It's about aligning with the truth of who you are so that you can spontaneously interact with life in a way that is authentic to you, in alignment for you. And I feel that there is a great likelihood that that will cause benefit.

It will create benefit not only to me or not only to whoever's on this journey, but to life itself in all its different forms. I'm Julie Pietje and this is the Ritual podcast. The Rich Roll podcast, What's Up, spiritual seekers, mystical wanderers, citizens of podcasts, Qalandiya, the podcast verse it is I Your Keeper Rich Roll Safely sequestered in my studio space, promulgating, as always, the high vibe wavelengths courtesy of some of the world's best and brightest.

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Get a free seventy five dollar credit at indeed dotcom rich role. Indeed dotcom slash rich roll terms and conditions apply. OK, Julie is back and this conversation is about many a thing, but I suppose the overarching theme orients itself around knowing thyself. It's about the importance, the courage and the opportunity to face and work through that. Something you're hiding or hiding from. It's about your sacred relationship with yourself and holding vision and space for the best. In others, it's about going within meditation ritual.

But really, most of all, it's about the transformative power of owning and. Standing in your truth, so. Here we go. Well, welcome to the new studio. It's your first experience. It feels so professional. I know it's crazy, right? It's a really beautiful it's really amazing.

Well, as the person who was there for Episode one in the warehouse in Kauai, it's definitely come a long way. It is. There is a trajectory, definitely a profound journey. We're not going to hear rain on the roof today. We could hear some construction maybe next door. Quite a bit of construction going on. I think we've worked it out.

We got a detente happening so that we get some quiet time for a recording.

But that's just the reality. It's super beautiful. Good to see you.

Thank you for coming. You too. It's been a minute. It's been a while.

We are now at the one year mark of the pandemic.

It's true. It's been a year, but we are in when this airs, we will be in daylight savings, which is why I wear my spring best for today.

You just calibrate the sun counting the days to daylight saving until it's summer again. And here we are once again, creating a formal structure so that we can actually communicate with each other even though we cohabitate.

It's the secret to a healthy and transformative marriage.

Start a podcast, write, create, you know, a bunch of infrastructure around when you talk so that you can have some healthy communication.

Hopefully we talk not on the podcast once in a while, but it's easy for life to get transactional. We have six people at our house right now. There's a lot of moving pieces. And with young people, everybody's then dealing with the setbacks of this moment in different ways. And it requires our full attention most of the time.

So it's easy to not shine the spotlight on our relationship and go on autopilot.

So we've probably had intervals of autopilot and our relationship because of the other demands on our time and our energy with our children and our respective businesses. We're both super busy. But here we are. We can actually talk. Do you think we're doing.

I always, always, always ask me, well, give me a temperature check.

I think that, you know, marriages are living, breathing entities and they are moving and evolving and changing all the time. And so it's not about any static state of being. And yeah, I think we've had more definitely more stretches of autopilot probably than ever before.

But I think right now all of us are going through huge, huge levels of transformation. And it seems like every single person in our household and every single person that I know, you know, this experience of forced sort of sequestration is providing a soil or an opportunity for us to be with ourselves and to maybe explore and reflect on certain things that that I think we all hide from ourselves, from our relationships and from society.

I certainly do. Well, it's a weird thing because on the one hand, we all feel, Statik, like we can't move, we can't navigate the world the way that we're used to. We're stuck at home. And so it feels like we're revving the engine and park. But there is that opportunity. Whether we take advantage of that opportunity or not is is up to us. But I do think that there's tremendous change happening in the context of being told to sit still.

Right. Which is so uncomfortable. Yeah, definitely.

And also just amidst so much loss and turmoil and, you know, the chaos of the world and the fact that you can't travel your way to escape the status quo, it's going on.

So I feel like, you know, it is it is a necessity, actually. It's a it's a requirement. If we're going to stay here and, you know, transitioning and leaving your body is is another form of evolution. It's another form of taking another fork in the road or another journey into more life, into more experience.

But I feel like it is absolutely required of us to clear out anything that is not in alignment with who we are or anything that we have been hiding. We're going to have to look at it. If we don't. I think that the universe will knock a little harder, you know, until we pay attention.

Tends to do that. Yeah, annoyingly so, yes. So just so people can get a visual, you're looking beautiful today.

Thank you. One thing that I've noticed that you have done is you've really doubled down. On your not just your meditation practice, but your devotion to ritual, so much so that our bedroom has been transformed into one gigantic altar where you can't even actually walk in the room.

You've got to tiptoe around various artifacts and, you know, sacred objects that you've peppered all over the space.

And, you know, as people know, I sleep in a tent and then I come up in the morning and then you're in you're you're in your sacred moment and you're surrounded by, you know, it continues to, like, metastasize. It's getting longer. To the extent that I came in the other night and I tripped over, it was dark and I tripped over something. And it's like I can't even move in here anymore. There's too many spiritual artifacts happening in here.

And it seems like your practice has been elongated like it used to be maybe a half an hour, then it went to an hour.

But you're up in your quiet moments now for sometimes the better part of an entire day, which I always find interesting and also confounding.

As the CEO and founder of a startup food company like ours, how are you running your company when you're in basically in a, you know, a silent meditation retreat ensconced in the bedroom?

It's a mystery, the mystery, the mystery of working less than accomplishing more, right?

Well, first of all, it's moving the tectonic plates of the universe with your spirit in your mind. Exactly.

With really. OK, so so there's a few things. First of all, I just need to say it's not an all day retreat, actually, because I rise so much earlier. Right. You know, that might be from 2:00 a.m. to 7:00 a.m., about 7:00.

I have to move in and get the girls up and be I woke up in the middle of the night the other night because the pungent smell of your sacred fire burning in the yard was so strong that it it it awakened me from a deep sleep.

I don't know where you were burning in there by something it's speaking to very strong. It's entering you, your smell. And so what are you doing specifically?

Really, what I'm finding very, very amplified is the ability to embody presence and to really, you know, sit inside of my being in that feeling consciousness that animates this body with a level of presence that I haven't experienced.

So it's more I would say that if there's if there is a focus, that's the focus. But along with that are many ritual practices which include receiving the body as sacred. So, for instance, if I get up, I might before I'm going to chant, I would wash my mouth, I would wash my face, my hands, my feet. You know, maybe I would even I could I could even bathe fully. But I don't often do all of that.

So it's about this reverence for this instrument, this dress or this vehicle that is housing the spirit. And and I really feel that this time is about embodiment. I am a householder. I didn't incarnate. I'm not in a cave. I'm a mother of many children and a and a business entrepreneur and and wife and and so it's about being embodied with your spirit in this life, in this modern place.

And I need those or I crave those or I receive nourishment from that kind of communion.

And even now, more than ever, it is the thing that I can count on.

You know, life is changing. The only thing that we know is everything is going to change everything. Material will change every relationship, every career, every building, every single station of identity will shift.

And the one thing that is constant is that consciousness that is animating this. And so I have a great desire to be closer to her, to really, really know her.

And so that's what I'm doing.

And so what have you learned over the course of the past year by really doubling down on this devotional commitment?

Well, I think it is. You know, as is well shared and in many spiritual seekers path and and life experiences, that we really know nothing.

And so when people talk about their beliefs or they get very attached to a certain intellectual idea or truth.

I, I try not to believe I try not to have a belief and I try to exist in a state of being where I can spontaneously respond to life in a way that is in alignment for me.

So, for instance, like in in my spiritual mentorship group that I lead called Water Tiger, you know, we're not I'm not sharing about manifesting about getting what you want. I'm sharing about aligning with who you are. And this brings me back to my sort of subject of hiding. I say this often. There is nothing more beautiful than a being that knows itself.

There is nothing more intoxicating, inspiring, powerful than it being that is sitting inside of itself very authentically with a lot of truth and.

And so it's not about manifesting or grabbing or getting or competing, it's about aligning with the truth of who you are so that you can spontaneously interact with life in a way that is authentic to you, in alignment for you. And I feel that there is a great likelihood that that will cause benefit.

It will create benefit not only to me or not only to us, I mean, to whoever's on this journey, but to life itself in all its different forms.

It's a becoming as opposed to a what would be the antithesis of that?

I would say it's a being. It's a beingness.

Instead of getting this instead of a it is a powerful thing when somebody walks into a room and that person is living their life in alignment with their values. There is like an in like a palpable, like powerful aura around that person. Like, you know it immediately.

And I think it's it is. It is. You know, I think that's the quest that we should all be on.

Right.

I think that that process has become complicated by in a wired culture in which we're so interconnected such that when an issue arises, rather than sitting with yourself to figure out how you truly feel about X, Y or Z, you can go on Twitter and just canvass all these opinions of all these people and then decide, well, I kind of like that guy.

So I guess I see it the way that he or she sees it, which is a shortcutting of the real process of trying to understand, like from first principles, like what is this really about? How does this sit with me? What are my values? Where does this align or not align with my, you know, my basic disposition?

And yes. Agreed. And it it also leads to, you know, if if you're going to agree with somebody's belief system. And so you're let's say you're you're scrolling through Twitter and you're like, you know, Rich said, you know, oak tree.

So I'm I'm going to say oak tree. So I'm going to go and I'm going to be oak tree with Rich. So the second that Rich says something that is not oak tree, now you villainize it right, Rich?

Because suddenly wait, I don't you know, Rich is now saying oak tree and orange, but I'm not saying oak tree and orange. I think it's oak tree and apple. So now let me cancel Rich. Let me just cancel him and make him irrelevant.

And so this is a sort of comedy I find in the culture of the human condition to seek this consensus.

And I also find it very curious how willing humans are to annihilate another human so readily when we are so flawed, like all of us have had dark moments in our life, has have made missteps.

It's it touches me deeply.

It feels very, very delicate to me, like very fragile and almost like it it's a danger to to really step in to criticizing somebody or making fun of somebody.

It's like we are all we all at some aspect are one.

We all have many different flavors, completely unique flavors that we're sharing.

But can't we just let that go, let that consensus go and understand that everybody's different and find what is in alignment for us individually and live from that state, not having to make someone else wrong? It doesn't make any sense. That's hard work, though.

It's much easier to say to listen as human beings. We're hardwired. We like to we like to celebrate certain people and build them up. And then we enjoy the schadenfreude of tearing them down. And this is the cycle that we're seeing accelerated across the board in every camp and village and ideology. And it is disheartening I to kind of look at it like, you know, I've done I I'm like, you know, I've done all kinds of crazy stuff.

Like, I don't you know, I don't want to be judged in that way. And I don't feel it's incumbent upon me to judge anybody else in that regard. But I think, like, the question would be, why do we feel compelled to tear people down in such a villainous manner and.

If I had to estimate I think it has something to do with the fact that if you haven't done that internal work to really know who you are, then your sense of identity is somewhat fragile and it is sort of dependent upon this lattice work of these other people out there and what they think and how they see the world.

And if that person changes their mind, that becomes a threat to your sense of self or identity, because that sense of self is fragile and not as robust as it would be if you engage in that process of of self understanding.

Yeah, definitely. And I mean, to me, it's all a question of spiritual connection. It's like we're not feeding the spiritual connection as the first point of entry. It's spiritual connection is not the 20th thing you do on the list.

It's the first thing. It's the thing that informs everything else about your life. And so having been somebody who's been marginalized most of my life and, you know, labeled as, you know, crazy or cute or trite or, you know, isn't that ridiculous?

You know, that she has that view to me. It's intelligent. I mean, I just I just want the least amount of suffering for myself and for humanity.

And so the place where that where that redemption lies or that solace or that care, that love and compassion is in the spiritual connection, direct spiritual connection, which we don't need a priest or an ism or a religion or anybody's permission to have it. We have it inherently.

Hmm. So how does somebody who is listening to this? And is feeling some resonance with what you just said, but has no experience with any kind of spiritual connection. How do you translate that into something actionable for that individual?

Well, I think what's needed are techniques. OK, so there's a lot of conversations like conversation we're having now and conversations can be really meaningful. And, you know, your show is literally have been it's been transend transformative.

You were going to say transcendental like. No, I was like, no. Transformative and transcendental. No. And I think it I think it definitely has been for many, many, many people. So I'm not saying the conversation isn't helpful. It is. But when you get down to it, you can't really know something that you read in a book or that you hear somebody else say you have to experience it for yourself, which is why life experience is so valuable, all kinds of life experiences.

But I think it's the techniques of meditation, of of yoga, Nedra, of sitting in tea ceremony, of being present. It's the will. It's the calling to divine.

It's the choosing to experience life as a divine journey that cultivates these energetic experiences that become a knowing inside of you. And then when you have the knowing, you know, you're really there's a saying that truth doesn't defend.

It simply is. So here you are in the state of being, you know, a being who's rooted in being isn't going to go fight for peace or argue about which political party.

It's like it's like there's a power in staying quiet, staying quiet. I'm not saying you don't do anything and you go to a cave and you don't live, but staying quiet until you're really aligned with what is true for you. And if you're really aligned with that, then you can really be effective in your actions, in your politics, in your love for planet Earth, in whatever you're doing. But if you've never taken the time to know yourself, you're you're not there.

You're just spouting off what someone else says. You're retweeting something, thinking that you did something good.

And, you know, and this is, you know, water tiger. This is my spiritual mentorship program is a body of techniques.

So it's a way to. No way. I'm not claiming to know what anybody's path is. I am been down the road a few years and I've spent a lot of time in study in these areas, in this list, this lifetime and also in other lifetimes. So I offer some body of techniques that may help people. It is helping people.

They are helping people to access a connection with themselves, which is a direct connection with source.

So in the process of of being engaged with this community on Water Tiger, and I know you do these sort of private sessions with lots of people, what are the things that are coming up like?

What are the common themes?

What are people struggling with and experiencing right now in this, you know, one year demarcation of the pandemic?

Well, it's profound. I mean, I think I'll share, you know, I mean, obviously you can't. Yeah, Eichinger who it is. But I'll share generally about the last two sessions that I facilitated. Actually, one is a water tiger member and one is on their way to becoming a water tigerman member.

There's there's real life happening to all of us right now. And one of the experiences is an individual who's, uh, who's friend hung himself. And he's the one who went in and found him.

So that was one experience that I facilitated, a an empowerment, a love, a blessing, a sort of reformatting perspective so that we can extract the treasure from such horror.

So that's one.

And I'll and I'll get into some of what I've gleaned from these is very profound right now and also connected to the essence of Shrem.

And what that is to me is this. Opportunity to find beauty in all life. And, you know, your you might be thinking, well, how in the hell could you find beauty in such a horrific event for all individuals involved? You know, there that somebody's child, that somebody's brother, it's somebody's lover. It's somebody's friend. You know, it's so final. You can't change that. It's a it's a it's something that, to me, in my experience, is the opportunity to render us on our knees and for the very quality of that experience, it is a divine experience beyond measure because it's maybe one of the only experiences that we can't.

Reason our way out of we can't quantify it or or say something positive or change it, it's so final in in this realm.

Another experience from a water tiger member is an artist that has worked with me, and we are exploring beauty as the first tenet of a spiritual life.

So you may look at me from the outside and say, well, if she was really spiritual, why does she wear makeup and why does she fix her hair? Why is she wearing a dress or why did she create Shrem?

That's this big, you know, beautiful aesthetically, you know, sort of developed product.

And and the reason is because beauty is the first tenet of a spiritual life.

That is what makes us connected to life around us. And so within my ritual, within my practices of coaching people and helping people, I am helping us to remember that we have the power to find beauty in all life experiences.

This other artists that I was working with, that I'm working with, she's been asking for a communication about her role as being a steward of sacred art.

And we're talking about the ability to program art with intention to be in ritual and communion before we start to create the art.

And how could we use art as a vehicle of beauty being the first tenet of spirituality that can transform the planet, that can, you know, lift our experience of life here by healing us, by feeding us, by nourishing us.

And she had a very visceral sort of transcendental experience using the water tiger techniques.

And she had a complete she was given a body of work exactly the way it looks and exactly, you know, the format and the date that she needs to do it by and all these kind of things.

And also very connected to some deep suffering in her journey that she had to face.

That was very probably the thing that was the hardest thing for her.

So in my work, the greatest treasure is in the trauma. And so when I work with somebody, I'm looking for the thing they never told anybody I may be the first person that they shared it with or the thing that is absolutely irreconcilable. And if I am lucky enough and blessed enough to serve my purpose by the end of that session, they have a different perspective on on the events.

Right. And that that tracks back to this idea of that that we began this conversation with, which is this thing, you know, there's all there's everybody has something that they're hiding from or that they're hiding from the world or that they're hiding from them selves. And to the extent that you can muster the courage to actually look at that, to deconstruct that and find the gem or the meaning or the beauty or the opportunity in that, that's where the crux of transformation begins.

And this has always been your thing with me. And when we weathered all of our challenges and difficulties, it's like, how do we flip this and look at it from a perspective of opportunity rather than victimhood?

Like, why is this happening to me? Isn't this terrible?

Instead, like, this is your divine moment, like this is the opportunity that you've been waiting for and just that mental shift, as difficult as that might be or as kind of counterintuitive or or challenging to like inhabit that in your body.

I've I've found that to be incredibly powerful. I've seen you do that in the context of our family, and I've seen you do that with so many other people.

And it is maybe the hardest thing you'll ever do, but also carries like that that potential energy for the change that people are yearning for.

Definitely. And and and let it be beautiful is sort of one of my mantra, my mantras. It's like let it be beautiful, whatever. It may be scary. It's not autopilot. It's not acting like everything is the same.

It's not getting to a place and saying, we're here and now we're here and we're going to be a static form for the rest of our lives because we're here doesn't work that way.

It's always changing. And no matter how difficult, whatever the evolution is, whatever needs to be looked at, it has to be beautiful.

It has to be beautiful because life is divine. It's sacred. This is a privilege. It's a divine privilege to be in a body at this time and.

We are creating our experience with our life, and so rather than hide. From what is bubbling inside of you or what is beckoning your attention, why not face it and communicate with and exchange with it and create something beautiful from it?

Mm hmm. One of the things and we've talked about this before. That I think is powerful, but also challenging to me is this idea that you don't want to rob someone of their divine moment, right? Like if somebody is going through a hard time, whether it's emotional or financial or maybe they've, you know, experienced the death of a loved one or maybe, you know, they lost their job, they can't pay their bills.

Whatever flavor that shows up in the idea of, you know, we have this urge, like we want to step in, we want to intervene, we want to help. We want to alleviate the pain.

We want to solve the problem. But that's also the the opportunity.

To step back and allow that person that experience, because there's some lesson that needs to be learned as a result of running that gauntlet, and so it's this tension between.

It's a tension around, like, how do you best love somebody, like, do you opt out and is it more loving to let them have that experience without your interference? And at what point do you step in and try to course correct, because you see something going horribly awry?

I think this is this is a really good question. And and for for me, it's less about what you do and more about the energy with which you are viewing the individual.

So if my friend is bleeding, I'm going to get them some bandages and I'm going to, you know, clean them off and and make them safe and get them food and be like you are OK, like you're good, like I'm here.

I think the real power is in how I'm viewing that person. Am I choosing to view that person as a casualty or let's say the person was irresponsible and created that. Let's say, you know, I don't know what a good example. Let's say, you know, they caused that accident because they're using drugs and they got in a situation. And the accident happened, I think, as powerful healers and co creators and beans of of a version of of acrostic form or what might be a Christ in bodied, free from religion, free from isms, just from the very nature of being humane, of being human beings.

We have the ability to hold that person in their highest vision and say, it's OK, man, you got this. I know you stubble. I know you stumbled. I see you as such a beautiful being.

You have so many amazing qualities. You know, I love this about you. I love that about you. And I know you're struggling and I'm I'm not going to solve your problem for you.

I'm not going to intervene with my judgment. I'm just going to hold you and love knowing that this force, God creation has you and that you're in your process.

And how does that work for you with parenting?

It gets a little bit trickier. Yeah.

I mean, and this is this is a subject that is difficult to talk about because we actually don't have permission to talk about it right now about our kids specifically. But it's the same thing.

I mean, the general idea of like, Wendy, when are you in the allowance? Well, it's in are you in the you know, I'm going to intervene here.

Well, trust me, it's a I think it's a dance. Right. And I mean, there's many times I'll just go in to check on to check on them to make sure they're there. And they they have they're not hurting themselves and they're fine. And and, you know, I trust my mother's intuition. I mean, you know, trust me, a lot of people are considering they have suicidal thoughts. It's especially now, you know, and especially in our youth.

So I think you have to keep a close eye. But I think when you come into judgment thinking that that's going to stop the action, nobody changes in a field of judgment. People change in a field of unconditional love and compassion.

And that's not that hard with with our kids because, you know, we all adore our kids, you know?

Right. But I think what is happening is everybody's under duress. The anxiety levels are through the roof. People's economic situations are being challenged. And so parents are, you know, feeling a lot of anxiety, disproportionate to what they're used to and without, you know, a level a deep level of awareness, it's very easy for that anxiety or stress to leak out onto the children.

And the children are under their own level of duress with having to do their schooling from home.

And like, it just becomes this soup of mental unfitness in which nobody's, you know, kind of acting as well as they would like to act.

And it creates, you know, a lot of chaos and problems. And I think we're seeing this epidemic now of, you know, children struggling with, you know, how to navigate this world where their entire life is on screens and they can't see their friends or go to school. Parents who are under stress, you know, they're not happy that their kids are in this situation and they're trying to work from home.

All of these things are unprecedented and creating complications that we haven't developed, you know, tools for.

Yeah, definitely, I mean, you know, I would say there is always these opportunities and being a parent, you know, it's like it's sort of part of the journey. You know, you're there's going to come a point where your child just cancels you and, you know, things are completely like outdated and irrelevant.

And, you know, that's part of the journey. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. We're there where I was I was going to be the cool down. It's always the opposite happening. And it is definitely not no one is the cool dad to their kids that no one is the cool mom.

So, I mean and I would say on the other side, there's a lot of benefits from being sequestered, from, you know, quarantine.

That is that, as I'm going to say, added five years on to our lives. I mean, possibly saved our children's lives. Maybe it kept maybe they're unhappy and they're kicking dirt, but they're in a more contained space than they would have.

You know, we we don't we all we are God, we can't see exactly what the journey is.

But, you know, listen, it's I think it's a great hilarity of the universe that, you know, that as a mother, I give birth to a baby that needs me, like for every single thing, like it's this symbiotic union.

And then at some point that being grows up and there's just like, fuck off.

I mean, it's kind of funny because you're just like you're like, what is going on here? You know? So that's kind of, I think, a funny thing from the universe.

But I think that in general, I think as a culture, we hold our kids back too long. I think they should go into their own living spaces with like communes at age 12 with their own bank accounts.

And they should be they should be treated as adults much sooner because there's so much turmoil between them still being in the house. And, you know, like I said, we're cool parents and and we have it, too. So, yeah, I think I think the unconditional love part, though, the more you can cultivate that within yourself.

And let's be clear, it doesn't mean that you don't have preferences. I can prefer chocolate over vanilla, but I can still have unconditional love for both flavors. So do you.

Where where does where do you feel judgment flaring up in yourself? Like where are the challenges? Like where where you know, where are you, where do you draw the battle lines. Like where is the evolution that that, you know, you need to experience for yourself showing up in your life? Hmm, or are you just completely evolved at this point?

No, I mean, you know, one of one of my big woundings is being judged and marginalized for being a spiritual being with the awareness and perspective that I have.

It's been painful. You know, there's been times I haven't wanted to be here on this planet.

You know, as human beings, we want to be seen. We want to connect. And there is an aspect of me where I'm always the last one to know.

Like, I don't think I'm that weird at all.

And so, you know, I could snuggle up real close to somebody thinking that, you know, we're good friends and then find out later that they think I'm completely insane. So so that has been definitely a theme. And and I think that's a theme of, you know, any anybody who who comes in to create something new, you know, it's like it's lonely, feels lonely, you know, many, many kids spectrum kids who have processes that fire completely different.

I mean, look at Brian who wrote and read backwards his whole life.

And, you know, there's many, many of us. There's many people. We're all unique.

And we've been trying to fit into this school system or these structures that are in the society that say this is what is a smart person and this is what is a value person and this is what is an educated person. And then when you really dive deep into all of those, we just found out that none of that's true and none of it's really working.

And so, again, it brings me back to my spirituality. I've been known to say I can count on my devotion. It brings me a nourishment, a love for life.

It allows me to expand my capacity to love. And I think that the key for my wounding has been to love myself more, to do my meditation practices in the mirror, to look at what I am, to receive what I am with everything that I've done. And, you know, I have another layer that I'm going to be going into around sexuality. And I've talked about this and I guess I was waiting for someone else to do it. And I just came to my awareness that I'm I'm going to be one of the ones that rewrites it.

But it's like for me, sexuality is the same thing as creativity is the same thing as spirituality.

And we are wasting our sexual energy with the darkest force.

It is it is like think of it, sexuality is our super power to transcend and it is used by demonic forces in such a bad way.

And one of the tragedies or one of the difficult things right now is that if you talk about child abuse, then suddenly I'm I'm in a kuhnen club. Right. Which is really that is the intention. Right. And just so just to set the record straight, I've never watched a human on video. I've never gone to a website. I don't I've heard things on Twitter. I deleted my Twitter, though, about a month ago, and I'm very happy.

But my point is, is that sexual abuse is happening as a as an epidemic on this planet. How do I know? I know because probably 90 percent of my clients have been abused as children, men and women. So I'm I'm dealing with it firsthand. So my thing is.

Regarding to dealing with my head, so a lot of you know that I've suffered from traumatic head pain for maybe going on 30 years, it is debilitating. It's you know, sometimes we refer to them as migraines, but they're not really migraines. I've been down every single road trying to unlock this, you know, mystery.

And the last two episodes that I had over the last 10 weeks, I had two in 10 weeks. I mean, I was sobbing from the pain. Like literally I'm exhausted from this trajectory.

And what I'm learning is that not from this lifetime, from from a past lifetime, I have a trauma that I need to go into to retrieve parts of myself. And I have the feeling in the inkling that there is there are sexual aspects to that. And these are directly related to me reclaiming my power as a seer, as a being that has a more expanded site than what I have in this capacity. And that's going to be really difficult to look at.

You know, and I've been very open about my time of my life where I had very promiscuous sex when I was in my teens.

I was trying to fulfill like this this void of my father and this bad, this not bad, but a not good relationship with my dad. And I was trying to figure it out. I was trying to find that. And I hurt myself terribly. And I think that there's more for me to resolve from that experience.

So it's you know, and the thing is, is we can't be our own healers like I know how to do these processes, but you need someone else to hold space for that.

And so it's kind of the last thing that I haven't looked at.

And if I go through this and my headaches don't go away, I'm going to, you know, just be like, I don't know what to do.

And I really it's the it's also your attachment to finding a solution that I think causes you additional suffering.

Not maybe. And I would say no, probably no, honey. I mean, yes, I had a point where I was yes, this happened the last cycle.

There's been a couple of times. It's like I think I'm on top of it. Yeah, you did it again. The disappointment. It's true experience.

That's true. That's true. And I just went through that to a great degree, actually, because I did this whole er VEDAT cleanse and I was like tracking it. Like I was like, I was like, I'm on this and it came and I remember I was sobbing in your arms and I was saying, I'm so disappointed.

I remember saying that. Yeah, you're right. You're right.

You know, and I appreciate like everyone who sends me, you know, try this and try this and migraine.

I and I've tried all of it. Let me tell you most of it. I've tried it.

And anything going on for anybody who has chronic pain would know the frustration with that, you know, but I just know for me my lines of who I am. The answer is going to be in this in this mystical journey for me.

And so so anyway, getting back to sexuality is it's come back into my forefront that I am, you know, going to participate in rewriting the way that we experience sexuality, the way that we interact with that force, because it is literally our treasure and and because of the nature of it.

It's also been reversed and infiltrated even in the, you know, sexual like.

Honey, I didn't mean to just tell you on the therapist. I mean, on the podcast, I'm going to be a sex therapist.

Now, it's sounding like kind of sounding like that. No, but a lot of it's been also manipulated because it's an easy place to manipulate if you don't know how to create the energetic boundaries. And I'm not talking about promiscuous use of this of this power.

I'm talking about very responsible, guarded, devotional, sacred attunement with this power, whether you're single, whether you're in any variation of relationship, in any preference with consenting adults.

I love it, so I don't know, you weren't expecting that? No, see, we haven't talked and we've talked a little bit about this. Like, I'm not surprised to hear you talk about that. I'm interested to see where that goes. Yeah. Yeah.

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So I went to the bathroom during the break and then I came back and you said that you dropped the the best pearls of the podcast while I was in the restroom.

Now, while Jason was just saying that he got a few he got a few pearls and he was saying, let it be beautiful, that he really like that.

And and I just think that's really, really beautiful, actually, because it wouldn't all of us like the permission to experience a beautiful life and know that that is spiritual.

Well, whatever happens. Is a thing, it's all about the meaning that we attach to it and the perspective and the opinions that we form around it. That's right.

Which when? They're quote unquote, like things that aren't going well, we then developed shame, we developed fear, we develop a low self-esteem or sense that we're not good enough for all of these things begin to pile on and then suddenly that event or whatever it is.

Becomes this living, breathing entity that is working at cross purposes with your own personal evolution when really you're the cocreator. So if you want to create a beautiful life, you have the power to apply a perspective in any situation. It's not easy. It takes work. And I'm not saying you don't feel pain. I wasn't standing sitting with this individual who came to me in the face of his friend's suicide and denying his grief. I'm not doing that. We're fully going into it.

We're fully sitting with it. But we're choosing to apply a higher meaning to it and through that.

There is transcendence and there is evolution and something that was the most horrifying act could become the most beautiful act because of what it catalyses for the future.

I just did a podcast with this woman the other day.

I was a guest on on her podcast. Her name is Alison Hadon. She was introduced to me by andI Puddicombe, the Headspaces founder.

And Alison is somebody who is suffering terribly from cancer at the moment, or her body is riddled with cancer and she's had multiple bouts with it. And, you know, it's serious, like very serious.

But rather than sit at home and feel sorry for herself, she started this thing called No Time to Waste. And she's got this podcast and she's like, I want to talk to all these cool people that, you know, I respect or whatever.

And she reached out to me and it was an amazing conversation. But what I took away from that was just.

The choices that she's made about how she's interpreting what has happened to her that, you know, she didn't ask for and you could say like, oh, she created it because perhaps there's some larger mystical purpose for her enduring this hardship.

But, you know, it happened, you know, it did happen to her like it didn't happen because she did anything to her personality was like, I want to have this.

And she could very easily, you know, play the victim. And she's not she's like she had like the most positive outlook on everything. And she's like, this is what I want to do. And I'm not going to sit at home and like, I'm doing this thing.

And it was very inspiring. And it really helped me kind of, you know, reframe it, put it obviously somebody like that is going to help you put things into perspective.

And I just found it to be really powerful, very inspiring and very beautiful.

And, yeah, I mean, all we have is this present moment. So who knows? I mean, you know, the world could blow up tomorrow or, you know, I could leave here and and die in a car crash or, you know, anything can happen. It's a mystery. We don't know. So she could have a spontaneous healing and not die at all. Or she could transition and go into another realm where, you know, life is a different experience.

And, you know, she told me, sorry to interrupt, but she she she she she emailed me a couple hours before we were supposed to record. And she said, I can't hear either of my ears. I have to go to the hospital.

There's a good chance that I'm going to have to postpone the podcast because she thought she might have to go into emergency brain surgery, that she had another tumor in her brain that was pushing against her ear canals or something. It turned out to not be that, but she was fully expecting that. She's, like apologizing for, you know, perhaps having to postpone scheduling this thing.

And I was like, that's unbelievable. So profound. Anyway, sorry, I did stuff on what you were trying to say.

No, it doesn't matter. That's amazing. It's incredible.

Let's talk about some other stuff, OK? I want to bring us up to speed on Shrem removal. I actually had like I have eyes, I have a preannouncement. My team my team is maybe going to be really mad at me, but I feel really good about this.

Well, we have worked very hard to refine our margins and to improve our shipping channels. Our distribution, our production is phenomenal. I am so proud of my sacred makers as the mother.

Arek, I'm the mother are sacred makers. It's just such an amazing product. I'm so I'm so honored to be the one to bring this through. And I've created really just this artisanal cheese, not cheese that rivals dairy cheese. And the reviews are just crazy. I mean, I actually brought one wheel from Erwan Market, so I want to give a shout out to everyone. They are the only retailer that I'm in right now. And Victor, one of the managers at Calabasas, was telling me that the customers raving about it is one of the most fun things that he's experiencing.

So so anyway, in Erwan, we have three flavors, but we now have four different box offerings. One of the exciting things is later on in May, we're going to have a two wheel, which is going to be a really great offering for just say, for people that perhaps are newer to the show.

OK, shrimp is your plant based cheese company, artisanal wheels of cheese.

That is the evolution of the next evolution of the solution of cheese.

But if you like your your Camembert and your Briese and you like that, like really fine h we'll have cheese with your you know, your your wine or your bread or whatever.

Like this is the plant based version of that. That's better than anything you could possibly imagine. But your business, Erwan side is essentially a subscription box service.

So people go to the website Shrem, Dotcom, Ezri, Amazon.com, and you launched with a large box that had, I think four wheels and two balls now.

Yeah, it had four wheels and then it had a jar of fresh mozzarella. That's called the Cloud nine, which is shipped in salted water, crystal salted water. And then there was there is a bonfire, which is a smoked almond cheddar. It's not your grandma's cheese ball.

So anyway, that's the big sacred box offering, which is this one.

But then we have a four wheel box, a three wheel box, and now a two wheel box of just the wheels you pick, which cheeses and the two wheels.

We're going to have a little bit of customization and a couple of the boxes in general. No, you can't. But we allocate it really well so that you can choose which product to line.

You're shipping just domestic use, right?

Well, that's kind of the pre sort of announcement. Canada people, it looks like we are going to be able to open up shipping to you very shortly.

So stay tuned. You guys have been amazing. I love the Canadian support and love for sure.

A lot of support in Canada really do. Energy is coming. Yeah, I really like it.

Really, really like it. So anyway, we did it successfully. The boxes arrived, we figured out the customs processes and everything.

And so it feels like it's going to be a go. So anyway, that's a sort of a pre announcement. But stay tuned because we we're looking forward to doing that.

And then actually I wanted to mention so Shrem Mu is aligning with different initiatives that support the planet, that celebrate the planet. And many of you know about my writing. This is my spiritual alignment with Damanhur, the spiritual community in northern Italy near Turin. And if you haven't checked them out, please do check out Damanhur day and age you are and take a tour of the temples. They built temples to mankind inside a mountain in secret. And when you speak to them, they say it only took us 19 years.

So it's as beautiful artistic offering that is is energetically benefiting the planet. And the great mission of Sri Mu is to collaborate with her. So we have plans to produce dump screamo EU in Damanhur and have been working on that. The pandemic slowed us down a bit, but that's still moving forward. But the greater vision of Damanhur is to create the next evolution of the temples, which is this large living library that is to house all of the indigenous teachings on planet Earth.

And if you understand. Spirituality and ceremony and ritual, you know how vital these practices are to the upliftment of humanity, the planet, nature, animals, and this project is massive. It's going to be one hundred and twenty times larger than the 6000 square metre underground temple they have now. And Shrem, whose global mission is to participate in in building that with them. So that's the why behind Shrem.

And then recently I met up with my friend Natasha Severino, who is a makeup artist that I met from Lucy and John and Natasha did my makeup, I think, twice and had a very profound spiritual awakening.

And she changed her whole life over like a two year period. And she started working with a shaman who is very connected with the Hopi Nation. And recently we worked together and she reached out and just said, you know, Julie Sumati the Hopi are suffering terribly because of covid. They are in an area that does not receive governmental support and they need clean water and they need compost toilets.

120 of their tribe have transitioned during this time, and there's only 12000 Hopi that live that are alive. And so Shrem, who is going to align with them and we're going to help to get support for these very, very magnificent, sacred, sacred members of our human family.

Yeah, it's very cool. I mean, I don't know a lot about the Hopi predicament, but if I'm not mistaken, they were not provided with reservation land, correct?

That's right. I understand that they ended up settling in the midst of the Navajo Nation.

Yeah, it's it's like in the in the center. And as I understand it, and I'm not an I'm not an expert in any way, but there's a ring of Navajo or Denay is the is the correct term for that tribe. But they're in the center. And as I understand it, the reason they were not placed by the government is that they refused to allow mining on their land. So they've just been there, you know, sort of without governmental support.

And now that run off of the mining from the Denay Land has contaminated all of their water supply.

And so, you know, once again, we have these very dire conditions on planet Earth due to our lifestyle and the things that we do. And, you know, getting back to very basic human rights, human right, to have clean water and food and shelter and land.

And these in the spiritual realms, the Hopi are very sacred beings that hold a certain coating and energetic. I don't know it. I haven't interacted with it in a great you know, in a deep way. But I do know that they are valued, treasured, you know, indigenous frequencies that we need to care for.

They also have the dopiest traditional base higher. Yeah. You have ever seen you guys can see it.

The water thing is real, though. I mean, so many of them don't have clean water. Arsenic is a huge problem. I think there's something like 27 percent of them that don't even have complete plumbing, 18 percent with no running water in some villages have no tap water at all. So it's quite a crisis. I think there are some there is some assistance that's happening right now.

I don't know this so well. Natasha works with a shaman, Marza, and she's, you know, she's, you know, on the ground and has interacted with this particular tribe and many other indigenous all over the world. And so, you know, she's there in communion with them. You can't just contact you know, you can't just call them up, you know, like they're they live in their sacred ways.

Another thing that they're suffering from is that they have a very specific rights when somebody transitions and and they're not able to do those rights now because of covid. So there is a go fund me.

And, you know, we we need support for anybody that also has, you know, water solutions or compost toilet solutions like, you know, any sustainability genius or anybody who feels called to support in this way.

But, you know, money will help. And I think they're trying to raise initially like 50 grand to just get them the water that they need.

And the and the waste processing will all link up that go foundation. I think also, if you've never heard of Damanhur and you want to learn a little bit more about that wild, amazing place, I think the website is just Damanhur.

It do Damanhur. Dott Foundation, Tollman, her, and there's a there's a non-profit link that you can donate there and you can take a little mini tour of the temple. It's quite extraordinary. Do we want to talk about Lorcan a little bit?

Do let's talk about laka laka. We call him.

So Lurgan. Lorcan O'Herlihy is a beautiful artist. Architect, designer. Fine artist. Mm. Painter. Professor of architecture. And he's the mastermind that designed our home, which we've gone into in the past on the podcast.

I don't know that we need to recount that whole story, but he's become a dear friend. And over the many years that have transpired since he built our house, his architecture firm, Loha L.O., he has matured from designing single family homes into large urban projects with a very socially conscious bent to them.

And he's got this new book out called Architecture is a Social Act. It's, of course, it's a beautiful book because he's a he's a beautiful artist.

And it's it's a very cool. Kind of primer on how the spaces we design are so influential in our lives, which is something we've talked about with our home that we're very blessed to live in, but it's really about this direct connection between.

The development of consciously designed buildings and the wider impact of them and efforts to tackle issues that are relevant in our rapidly changing world, definitely.

And I mean, I think it ties right back to, you know, the first spiritual tenet, which is to live a beautiful life. And Lorcan was over a couple of days ago and I hadn't seen in a long time. You know, he brought the book and and, you know, I just again, once again acknowledged him for being the sort of unsung healer and influencer of our creative expressions in our family because his architecture has framed our experience of the world.

And, you know, he looked at the containers that, you know, you have your office in and that we have there.

And he was telling me about this container structure that he designed, which is for homeless. And it's like you look at that and you say, well, why shouldn't everybody be able to experience beauty in their space even if they're homeless?

You know, we can still we don't just have to leave it to haphazard and and and do it without intention. You know, if somebody had a beautiful Zen space, you know, even if it was very modest, that might allow them the energy that they need or the experience or the influence that they need to find strength inside of themselves or remember that they have a creative thing to express or lift them up.

So we don't have to just, you know, let it go. And I think I didn't realize just what a privilege it was to have him design our house until we had lived in it for 15 years. But I think it's one of the most. Profound, impactful and best decisions that we ever made was to was to work with an architect and I think architects should be revered as because they're if you consider spaces as temples or sanctuaries, it's the places where we become.

It's the places where we find ourselves.

So this, you know, architecture is a is a very key part of our life.

Yeah. I mean, it's our home is the crucible from which we have created everything from our children to all of these expressions that we share as the world screamo was created that just on a on a on a very, you know, fundamental level is true.

The podcast, just the experience of of and the great, great privilege of living in a beautiful place and how that, you know, impacts how you think about your life and and, you know, pursue the things that are important to you.

It is profound and it's been beautiful to watch Laken, who from the get go we knew was a genius, to see him embrace the social implications of his work and to scale up what he's doing to the betterment of society and culture at large, like to reimagine what it what low income housing can look like. Right. It doesn't have to be the projects and uninspiring, you know, brick building that becomes a breeding ground for all kinds of unhealthy behaviours, but instead an uplifting and inspiring space that's built affordably that can provide a refuge for so many people that are in need right now.

I mean, he's done all kinds of I mean, I think he's done as he done any museums yet, but he's done like bus stops, like simple things in Santa Monica. Right. Like the like, how can we make the bus stop cool and inspiring and uplifting as opposed to just a bench. Yeah.

And he's I mean, he's done, you know, commercial buildings and apartment buildings and, you know, huge public buildings in China and also in Ireland. And, you know, so he's he's a global architect and and more like focused on the institution, on on the culture, on the community. I think we were one of the last single family homes that he did. We might have ended. We might have been the last. And our home is featured in this book on like page thirty six or something.

We have a nice spread. Cool. Well, we love you, Laura. Lorcan, we love you. Architecture is a social act. Yeah. Yes. And he's the best.

And we also wanted to shout out our friend Tracy Stanley. She's got this beautiful new book, Radiant Rust, which is really about yoga teacher. It is yoga.

Nedra's so so OK. So if any of you guys have been on our retreats to Italy, you'll know that one of the most treasured workshops that I teach is one on Yoga Niederer. And it's always hilarious because certain people start snoring and, you know, you're supposed to fall asleep every time, instantly rich asleep and snoring. And then and so I usually do.

I offer a yoga teacher program out of the you know, the more of the foundational book on the subject, which is the B-R School of Yoga, which is just an amazing, amazing series of yoga books, if you're interested.

And Tracy Stanley, who is this radiant goddess? We've known her for years. She's such a beautiful yoga teacher and meditator.

And she has been studying and teaching yoga, Nedra, for many, many years. And she wrote this beautiful book, sort of bringing it in to modern day. And all of us should be practicing yoga niederer every single day.

It's one of the most rejuvenative, restorative, nourishing community building, stress reducing practices you could engage in. And for those of you that have a hard time sitting your lying down on the floor. So if you haven't learned about yoga, Nedra, or experienced it, I would check out Tracy Stanley and and her book Radiant Wrests.

And for those that are perhaps a little less spiritually inclined or for whom, you know, Julie is, you know, maybe a little bit more out there than you're used to. Let me remind you that Yoga Niederer is something that I talked about with Dr. Andrew Habermann. Oh, cool.

Neuroscientist speaking about even somebody legitimate, like a neuroscientist. Right. So if you need that to get your brain and I'm too weird, you could definitely do it with him. So what else is top of mind for you?

Top of mind? Um, let's see. I think I've like I've shared all my all my stuff. I mean, the main. The main. The thing for me is just that's really what's up for me right now. Oh, you know what else? I'm really, really enjoying putting together a series of yoga practices. I'm going to be doing some videos.

I'm not sure who I'm going to be doing them with yet, but I really, really just you know, you're talking about my my practice is extending for hours during the day, and I just don't know what I would do in life if I didn't have the tools and techniques to get me into that space, to allow me to commune to that with that energy and really yoga practice like Ossana yoga is at the foundation of everything that I've done in my life.

I mean, it is the thing.

I mean, I met you in yoga class, so taking the, you know, the need to get all into the lineage and just offering it for me, it's a way to get life force in the body, lifeforce in the body, still a very deep practice. My practices are going to bring you into an expanded presence. It's not about light or quick movements or, you know. I don't know, it's not light, but I really feel like we we need practices to transform grief.

Those of us that have said goodbye to our loved ones, and especially during this time, with so many restrictions and so many questions, we need a practice to process trauma. So what are the ancestral traumas that we have in our life that we don't want to carry on?

And what I want to share is that what we what we fail to clear in our own means, our children will have to process that for us.

And I think that is a catalyzing moment, a defining moment for me. Right.

Like, if you really think about that and embrace that, nobody wants to. Pass on to their kids, something that has caused them pain, but looking at that pain is so difficult. But if you can imagine. The possibility that you can prevent your child from having to contend with whatever it is that you struggle with, that is extra motivation to take a look at it.

Definitely. And it's and it's the responsibility, again, like nobody's going to do it for you and you can't hide from yourself.

You can't pretend that something isn't going on and just be like, oh, I'm not never going to tell anybody and I'm just going to keep this quiet because you're just you're just trying to fool yourself.

You can't you can't hide from yourself. It will come visit you somehow, you know, in this life and another life.

But it's like to not take responsibility for our own things. It just seems like is so irresponsible. It's like if we were alive, we have the opportunity. We have to have the courage. We have to have the courage to go in and and understand that no matter what happens, it can be beautiful and it will be beautiful if you create it as such.

So I didn't tell my mother I was going to go one to we need another practice to embody our best life, to really connect with that natural, authentic blueprint that is each one of us, only one of us in the entire universe, not another rich anywhere.

What's the difference between the omnivorous and the multiverse and every every every universe?

OK, every universe.

But I mean, you got to admit, like, it's not that crazy when you go on now, and that is finding planets left and right like it. And and, you know, humanity's so concerned over our political system and like like nobody even pays attention. They're just like, oh, a planet was discovered now being right.

Anyway, I forgot what my other one was, but anyway.

Oh, just light in the body like communication between all of your organs. What if your body was communicating with itself completely functional all the time.

And many of us if I say, OK, close your eyes and imagine, imagine yourself. You might think of only your head.

So how do we embody all of us as a breathing organism, as a whole, as I say in yoga, whole body breathing, whole body breathe.

Right, right. Yeah. I mean, we have this notion that our consciousness resides in our in our mind, but actually, that's an illusion.

Mm hmm. That's right, there's no evidence to suggest that it lives inside your mind, but the mind has told you that it is or that beast or that it lives inside your cranium, right? Right. It's interesting to feel like there's a there's a there's a book about this called I forget what it's called.

It's called something like where is your head or something like that. I'm butchering it, but it goes into that subject.

Yeah. And just in this moment, I was speaking to somebody this week about the the shift in awareness. So so the truth of the matter is we are in a new age. So that is that is true. We are in the Aquarian Age now. And so one way we can look at it is that everything that we did previous to now is the first life. And now everything that we're going to do now is second life.

And one of the qualities of this frequency that we're in is before we would maybe have a goal, define it, go out, grab it, conquer it and achieve it. Right. It's like sort of a very linear and masculine way of going about it.

And where, you know, you were asking me at the beginning of this podcast like, how do you run a company when you're just meditating?

And the thing is, is that this frequency is more of a feminine process and it's one of magnetism. And so, again, I'll repeat, there's nothing more powerful than a being that knows itself.

And so as you cultivate the ability to sit inside yourself, to embody all that you are, to take out everything you're hiding and look at it and deal with it and resolve it and love it and transform it or hold it, you naturally attract the synchronic, events that are in alignment with the truth of who you are.

And so that allows you to not struggle and work.

It's more of a relaxation into being when you're the more I can relax and be who I am, then suddenly the universe just floats by with a silver platter and you're like, Oh yes, I'll have that order.

Thank you very much.

Yeah, I've had I've had a taste of that in my life, but it's so difficult for me because I exist under the delusion that, you know, if I don't suffer and feel pain in the pursuit of something that I either don't deserve it or I'm not working hard enough to get it.

We got to help you with that. It's like an addiction, you know, it's like the idea like like what if it was easy? Like what if, like, writing that book was just easy? Like, I can't fathom that you're, like, very difficult.

You don't want to do well.

And also, yeah, if it did come easy, then I would say, well that was too easy. It must not be good. Like I need to go back and like roll up my sleeves and just really connect with the pain body.

Yeah. But I mean the thing is, is like even in that frequency doesn't mean everything's easy. I mean life still visits.

But the idea of like this synchronic aspect of what you just shared. Right. The idea being that you're in the flow and you're inviting these things into your life, it's more of an allowing as a as opposed to like a forcing. Yes, right.

But I think you experience that a lot in your life, especially now. Maybe you just don't know it.

I still like to grind you like like there's a sense of satisfaction that comes with I left it all out on the field. Mm. Right. There's nothing more I could have done to make that any better.

Well I mean I could tell you that about Shrem. I mean I didn't leave anything on the table. I just did it in a different way. Right. I did. I did. With a different bava, a different energy I guess.

And I think there's something about that, that. The difference is that. Live and breathe between us, that creates something powerful about our union. We had a joke the other day because it's like a Saturday morning and I was getting ready to go out on my bike and I'm in my cycling kit, my helmet and sunglasses and the whole thing.

And you came down from a meditation session and you had, like, sandalwood on your forehead, like ash on my forehead and like and I was like, oh, wow, we're both in our costumes.

Different costumes. Yeah. Yeah.

And those costumes on some level are a manifestation of of some truth within each of us. But there's still costumes. Sure.

Definitely. Right, definitely.

And listen, it's again, it's about you being you it's about you embodying who you are.

And so, you know, your truth may be to really just be in that. And that's natural for you. That's the way it is for you.

And you can marvel at me, but you don't have to judge me and you don't have to want to be like anybody else except you. Right?

I mean, you do the same to me. You're like, wow, look at you. You're in that. Look at look at that getup you got on the right. It's like you're never going to get in a cycling kid now or not ride with me. Exactly.

So no, and I don't expect you to and I don't judge you for not wanting to do that.

Yeah, exactly. But here we are 21 years later, 21 years into our relationship, which makes us just by sheer time, makes us relationship experts.

That's right. You know, and our and our relationship our marriage is is surviving the pandemic. So for people and maybe this is like a final thing thread that we can pull on for people that that are I mean, I can imagine if you're in a relationship and you're stuck in a living space with somebody and it's not going well, how painful that must be. And I think that's a very common experience right now. What's the answer? So the question is, it's more like, what's the quote?

Like, what is let's just talk about tools for.

Navigating tricky relationships like for us, so much of it is about communication.

I mean, we're well suited to each other. We've been we were together forever before the pandemic. So it's not like, oh, we just met and now we're in an apartment. But a lot of people are in that situation.

Well, I mean, I think, again, it's like this is a this is a moment. It's an opportunity. It's a it's a great shift. Everybody's going through huge changes.

Our cultures, our systems, our money, our art, the way art is sold.

Right. We travel a big conversation about NFTE Mathes at dinner the other night like this is going to, you know, as an art student, like pay attention to this, because this is going to change the nature of art and how it's valued.

Maybe you should explain to listeners, do you think they all know now it's time?

If you don't know what that means, then we're just not going to explain it to you.

Yeah, so so the thing is, is it's a time of transformation. This is this is what it is. And so I think many of you that are listening to this, you know this within yourselves, you know, if you're at a crossroads or if there's a choice that's come up for your review.

And I still maintain, you know, what I what I've always represented and what has been the foundation of our relationship, and that is you're here to live your life like you're here to live what you will.

What is inside of you. The treasures are inside your own heart. And so it just leads me back to the beginning is you got to look at whatever you're hiding from. What are you hiding from? You can't hide from yourself. At some point you're going to have to experience, interact with, reconcile. And no matter how scary it is, communication, first of all, with yourself is the first step and then communication with those around you. And hopefully it's not always easy for people because not everybody are great communicators.

But if you can communicate what it is you're feeling and you know, you have the possibility to rewrite the way relationships are, rewrite sexuality, rewrite what it means to be married. I mean, for goodness sakes, no one straight anymore. One of my kids said to me the other day is like, mom knowing straight, you know?

So it's like we have all this sexual identity, everybody's pan fluid by whatever transgender what all this stuff is coming up.

And so it's like we need to just love ourselves and understand that it's going to be OK and that everything must change.

Everything has to go through a transformation. And so because I don't like suffering, I want you to do it in the most gentle way possible. I don't like humans to suffer. I also think we should refrain from an old idea of a patterning that means X when someone breaks up, you know that we can do this.

People make fun of it, you know, oh, I'm consciously uncoupling. I'm like, oh, that's so funny. But it's actually like if you really love somebody and you you really love them, then you would want what is best for them and all in all places, in all stages of their life.

And, you know, you and I are vows were to support each other, to realize our greatest dreams.

That was what we said. And I think we've done that. I think we've you know, we've held up to that. And every relationship is changing and moving.

And, you know, it's not about where you were or the old story.

It's about what who are we today and what are we doing going forward and what is left to be uncovered inside of me, what is left to be uncovered inside of you? And how can we support that? You know, so I think, you know, it's all about you and you.

It's this deep communion with your own self. And when you learn to advocate for yourself, then you will make choices that are considering yourself first, which is rather contrary to the way we've been raised. You know, we we think it's spiritual to martyr yourself. But no, the martyr doesn't help anybody in the end.

And, you know, so wouldn't it be better to just honor yourself and you'll find out that if you start treating yourself with that kind of respect and love and celebration that will be mirrored back to you. Right. You will then attract.

A like minded partner who's vibrating on that level or you'll just get energy that's supporting you? Yeah, I mean, the instinct is I feel uncomfortable with who I am. I'm going to reach out and try to find somebody else and bring them into my world to salve my pain or my poor self-esteem or whatever it is that I'm contending with. And that's the upside down way of going about it. Like, be the person, become the person, commit yourself to becoming the person that you that the person you aspire to be with would want to be with.

Right. And then figure out. And then that person will if you do that, that person will find their way into your life without having to go on a dating app and. Should you find yourself in that precious situation, it then becomes about honoring yourself and honoring the best of what that other person has to offer.

Which is very easy to say and very difficult, very complicated, but you have a friend who you told the story at dinner the other night about being told to not be on a dating app anymore.

Oh, right, right, right. I won't say who it is, but.

Well, I don't even know. I mean, dating apps like we are totally on.

I got a question on one of us, which I have no idea, but I can't give any advice about dating, so we can't even speak to that. We're too old.

We're like, you know, we're that that we're that generation. We could do that. Yeah. I don't know.

I mean, again, everything in in my estimation. My best my best offering is it's all about building. An absolutely devotional relationship with yourself. Because there's nothing more beautiful than being that knows itself and there's no one else that is going to find that connection except, you know, one's going to do that work for you.

So if you're compromising or if you've bonded with somebody over pain and pain is the subject of your life, you have the ability to transmit that, to learn from it, to bless it, to thank it, and to if you've learned enough from it, if you haven't learned enough from it, then stay there.

I mean, there's valuable lessons to be learned in all life experiences. And it's not just about one tone, you know.

But the main thing is, are you getting the lesson? Are you transforming, you know, did you take away something from it? And then we have to make peace with our traumas. I think that's a good place to land the plane, as they say. Thanks for inviting me on.

Beautifully eloquent and wise, as always. Thank you.

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