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Hey, let's welcome back to season two of this podcast, I'm Andy, your host, and in this episode you will be listening to an interview I did with the Swinging Down Under podcast. And this episode we discuss what it's like being sex positive, finding my own sexuality and so much more. So let's jump right into this. Enjoy.

All right, everyone, welcome back to the Swinging Down Under podcast. I'm joined by a really interesting guest today. And I'm going to introduce you to Andy Ines's, a.k.a. Rebecca Blue. And we will get to that in a little bit. But Andy is a self-confessed slut. Trepanier, who started her career in a strip club and now is a self-made entrepreneur with an e-commerce empire.

Welcome to the podcast, Anna. Hi. I'm so happy to be here. I'm so excited that you had the time to join us. I know you're such a busy, busy lady.

And so to get you actually on the podcast was just like one of the books that I looked at your podcasts, and I was really excited to be a part of it.

Thank you. We're very excited, as always, to have guests that not only sex positive, but really have an interesting story to tell it. And that's definitely our guest today, ladies and gentlemen. So energy literally from the champagne room to the to the boardroom.

So a stripper who become a CEO, always an interesting story, but in a kind of give us give us a little bit of like a five minute kind of inshala. Who are you? What are you doing? What's happening in your world right now?

I'll do my best, but my my name's Anna D. and mostly known as my alter ego, Rebecca Blue. And like you said, I've been dubbed the e commerce queen, the master of selling weird things on the Internet. And after nine years of being an e commerce straight out of my house, I've started and sold over 10 businesses with zero investors. So definitely a self-made CEO. But now that I've fulfilled my dreams, my goal now is to really use my experience to help other slut's succeed.

So there's a lot of crazy things that have happened in those nine years, but it's just a blessing to be where I am now. And I'm excited to get into all the dirty details.

Yes, and I just saw that you congratulations are in order so that you moved into a large warehouse. I think you've increased your footprint there, your product lines and everything like that.

So congratulations. I mean, I'm so excited every time I open my Instagram and I see something that you're doing it your energy kind of, I think really is bringing a lot of energy to other people out there.

Yeah, it's terrifying. You know, high risk, high reward. There's always more responsibility when you transition to that and and really tells the story of what's happening behind the scenes of Rebecca Blue. And I've really noticed on social media how much engagement you really receive when you're just honest as hell about everything. And people really want to see like what happens in a warehouse. They don't want to see the pretty sugar coated business that everyone wants to portray as perfect.

Thank you for noticing that. And, you know, being a part of the whole the whole family on Instagram.

Thank you. Now, before we get into some of the topics and guys, what we're going to talk about today is becoming sex positive and and really, I guess, how Anna did become Rebecca. So that's the sex positive side of it. We're going to talk about really delving into being a slut propranolol and what that means to Anna.

And let me give you some personal snapshots. But first, before we get into all of that, I realized recently when I was doing some research on you that you had a tattoo removed. And why that stuck out to me is because I put a tattoo on myself on my leg when I was 13 years old. I got a needle and some ink. I'm not joking. I put a tattoo on my leg and it was there until I was about twenty five and I finally paid the money and had it removed.

What did you have on your foot or leg? I think we should foot that. You remove that sticks and what happened?

It's not really an exciting story. It's kind of sad I guess. But when my dad left, when I was a young girl, one of the really important things I had left from him was a note in his handwriting that said, I love you to the moon and back. That was something my parents always told me. And I really wanted to get that note written on my foot and his handwriting. But me being the rebellious kid, wanting to hide everything from my mom, I got the tattoo almost on the bottom of my foot.

And I wasn't aware that that part of your skin doesn't hold ink very well. And of course, it was done like at a house party. So that didn't help. So over time, it started to look like scribble and I'd go get a pedicure and they'd be like, what's this? So I just I made the choice to get it removed and then in the future, kind of redo it. Now that my dad and I have a relationship again, that.

Yeah, that's the story.

Interesting. No, I think I just thought it was really interesting, intriguing, I guess, because, you know, I've been one of those rebellious teenagers and then later on, you get this removed and I'm going to start again. And now I do actually have a professional one on my back. Completely different topic, but it's just not that really resonated with me. But let's talk about being sex positive. So we're all about sex positivity on this show.

It's really, really important that we bring a lot of diversity out there for our listeners because not everybody has the same journey right now. In a few of the articles published on you, most notably inked, by the way, which body. Congratulations. Thank you. You talk a lot about making a start and how web camming helped you to become sex positive and really exploit your own sex positivity. And I really want to talk about that. So first and foremost, let's maybe set the scene.

When did you actually start camping? Do you still can tell us maybe where you are with that?

I'm so excited. I'm a little giggly. Know it's always fun when you meet someone and they're like, so tell us about being a stripper because you don't really get that from normal day to day strangers.

But yeah, being in the Inked magazine was insane. I actually tried to get in there cover girl contest and I didn't win. But then they reached out to me and I was like, what the fuck is this really happening? Because I still can't swallow when successful things happening. It just doesn't make sense to me because I don't have a business background or anything. I'm just going off of, like you said, what I learned at the strip club right now, I'm not doing like I'm not a dancer anymore.

I don't webcam anymore. But I recently did start only fans, which seems to be a very popular thing. So I would it's very similar to web camming, I'd say. And after going viral on Tick a few times about how I've sold weird things on the Internet, I've started to do that again solely to make content. So that's been really exciting. I love that.

And actually on Instagram, just out there, we're going to probably spice this as we're talking about the podcast. But you I think yesterday I saw a post where you sold the disposable thongs that they give you when you go get a pedicure. And then I saw you that vacuum sealing them up and selling them.

Yeah, sorry. I'm sorry I'm so late. It's just crazy because it's so normal to me. The requests I get from these guys who have kinks because it's very normalized and the fetish world. So if if you're like a foot slave or a foot fetishes, anything that your feet touch are prime to sell to this kind of clientele. So I was actually getting a pedicure with my mom before her and I did a podcast and I was like, Mom, I should totally bring these home.

Right, because I just I don't know when when you do that sort of thing, like your mind just thinks in money terms. So I went home and right when I got home, I just tick tock. The whole thing reached out to a client and he was like, of course, I'll take this, that and the other two. So that's one of the viral videos that happened. And I mean, they're reaching like the tens of millions.

I don't know how they're still staying on Tick-Tock with their policy, but it's strange, interesting and really fun at the same time.

Well, here's what I like about it, though. I like like you just said, your mind starts to really shift in how you see things. And that's what I like. And we'll talk about going going into sex positivity. But I like the fact that you were doing something that could be quite mundane. And you're going to hold on a second. There's opportunity here, and I think that's really powerful. So you spent six months in a strip club and you've spoken about some of the things that helped to shape your success.

But what did you learn from that experience? Like what key fundamental things that that strip club have helped you now to be your partner?

So I could go on and on about how the strip club was such a magnificent place. It was like walking into a video game. And luckily I had a very safe experience. It's not so safe for everyone. But in that quick time that I was there, I learned everything about business. It taught me how to make a sale, how to turn that sale into a returning customer. With all the girls working there, you're taught about competitive marketing.

You learn your return on investment, which is your time. Time is money. If a customer denies a dance, you've got to keep it moving. Then that moved in the money management. How to save your money, how to invest it back into the career taxes. I really learned about how to enhance my strengths and down my weaknesses because you realize you're not everyone's cup of tea and that's kind of how it is in life and on social media.

Yes. So that was extremely helpful. And that just leads to building a thicker skin, which is invaluable. Learning to handle criticism is so necessary for being a sex worker.

Yeah, I couldn't agree more, actually. I think it's just necessary for life, to be honest, to get some of those criticisms and we give them all the time. I actually had some hate mail earlier this week directed at me on a personal level. And it's hard you get that email and or you get that feedback. And I think at a strip club, it's face to face, which is even more difficult. And you have to process it.

And it takes a lot of emotional intelligence to be able to do that. So I think that is invaluable just for life.

Secondly, your business is your baby. So when someone attacks like imagine if someone attacks. Your child, you're going to go full force mama on them, so I've learned over the years, if you especially online, if you leave a footprint that will stay there forever, like attacking a customer that could come back and bite you. And it's not a great business move. So shout out to my assistant for not allowing me to jump through my computer screen.

Yes. You're always going to have that person who is acting as a bit of an ally, like, hold on a second, the gang. If you really want to stay like that, just think through it.

I know it's a Web cam deal with a lot of people who have different kinks. Right. And you said that you've sort of seen the vast diversity of the people's kinks and there's no shame on his podcast. You know, we don't yuck anyone's youm. We really embrace the fact that people just love different things. They don't want to talk specifically about when you started and you started to see all these different things and people requesting all this stuff. How did that help you and your sexuality?

That's a really good question, because a lot of girls who start webcam, they aren't even aware of how slim their sexuality potential is. And I think it's such a beautiful journey where you meet all these clients and they kind of open you up to a world you've never really witnessed before. So it honestly, it started my whole sexuality journey. Prior to that, I never even properly orgasmed. So a little ashamed to say that, but better late than never.

So honestly, I think it was my Amazon wish list. I had a Hitachi on there, which is like a giant massive.

We know what they are. Everybody everybody who's listening to this podcast would be knowing what Hitachi is. Actually, it's pretty common. Pretty common in a strip club. Sorry, swingers club or swingers event. Let me tell you, they are everywhere.

Yeah. And I'm talking about the original. I believe the brand remade it. And it's kind of a weaker version and that's a whole side rant. But so I got this in the mail and I was so scared to use it, I really didn't know how to use it. It was sitting in my closet forever. And finally I kind of just was like, OK, I have to use this if I want to use a webcam. And to be very honest, I will never forget quivering in my bedroom and feeling like like after the explosion happened because it kept going.

It kept tightening and heightening. And I was scared.

I thought I was going to pass out or die because I've never felt that feeling before. And I was like, well, I'm just going to keep going, fuck it. And laying there completely numb.

I actually in my ears, I couldn't hear anything like the vibration in my ears. Like I, I just lost all my hearing. It kind of echoed and it still happens to this day. I don't know if that's normal or not, but it was the most intense inner outer body experience I ever had. And that moment was like a fire awakened in me like a freak in a I don't know what it was like.

World domination just started running through my veins. And that was the beginning. I mean, ever since then, I wanted every toy. I wanted to figure out how to come this that way and the other. And like I mentioned before, every show I had with the client, I was willing, open and so excited to see what they were into and how I could please them, because ultimately, the more I please them, the more compensation I was I would get.

And it was it was just so natural to me. I miss those days.

Yeah, I know those first those first few moments of just exploration are amazing. And thank you for sharing that. And I don't think there's any and there's no shame in having a delayed reaction to an orgasm. Actually, it's not uncommon for me. I met fifty five year old woman last year here in Singapore who has three kids and she's never had an orgasm. And so, you know, I think it's more common than I think than most people think.

Well, the funny thing is, if I'm at a bar and I am talking to a girl, I tell her I sell sex toys. One thing leads to another. And I'm like, have you ever owned a Hitachi before? And then literally that night I will be mailing her talk to you to her house. And that's probably happened about ten times because I feel like it's, my God, given duty to help women organize.

I love it inside. Question about those kings. Was there anything out of those kings of those requests that you were getting that you maybe obviously didn't know about it? You then heard about it, you requested it, and that you may be surprised that you enjoyed it. Is there any kings that you picked up along the way?

That's a really great question. Play like sister brother role play was really difficult since I have a brother, daddy, daughter stuff. You know, lots of role play was hard to to act and fully commit to that. So some of that stuff I just brushed off and then move on to the next. A lot of guys into the pee and poop thing wasn't didn't really have the balls to do that. I commend any girl who can, but I'd say those were the the top two.

And I'd like to turn that around and ask you if if you've ever experienced someone who had an abnormal kink that you weren't maybe exactly comfortable doing so in the swinging lifestyle.

Sometimes, you know, we do. We do. Obviously, you know, we come across a lot of different people who love different things. And foot fetish in particular is. I mean, just really common, just generally out there in public, it's actually much, much more common than I think more people to have this over 30 percent of people like, you know, the foot fetish.

And and so sometimes when you see these things, they're not maybe I want to say normal in a swingers club because, you know, really what is normal. But I mean, just generally, you know, what sort of interactions you would see in there. And so during sex, you know, I've had people say to me, you know, can I can I suck your toes? And for me, it's not it's not that I didn't like it.

It's just that it's almost a little bit out of the normal in that environment. Whereas if it was perhaps back in my home, if we were having inviting a single guy or a couple or a few couples over to our house, that's different because for me that it's like that environment really plays a part in my mental state. You know, I'm like, OK, that the foot fetish belongs in my house when it's not out in the public eye or, you know, those sorts of things.

So that's probably the the difference, I think, is that we do see a lot of different things. You know, we do get involved personally. I enjoy some BDM as well, and I enjoy some roleplay play and things like that. And again, I might reserve those for maybe at home because they're a little bit more intimate than which seems strange then just literally fucking in a club, which I know seems crazy, right?

Yeah. You know, that's honestly a fantasy of mine would be to go to a club. I, I enjoy being admired and that would be it's on my bucket list, but I'm in a very small southern country town here in America.

So it wouldn't I don't know if it would be the most fun thing to do that here and especially with the pandemic. You know, you're not sure how safe everything is, but definitely on the bucket list. Oh, absolutely.

And if you need any recommendations, we've we've been to HITA clubs in the States and we can definitely throw through some recommendations that you there for which ones to head to. Let's now take a pause and go back to the freaky things that you saw on the Internet and buy freaky. I'm embracing the word freaky, so I don't think I'm downplaying this. But I know that you have an IED story. And when I read about it, I was dying because I was like, dang, that girl knows how to make bank.

And I thought the same thing about the fate thing. Tell us tell us your IED story.

I knew I would regret telling that story of first of all, it's such a joy to be known as the girl who sold her IED. And I hope this inspires anyone with one to think about this.

But when when you're selling weird things on the Internet, I mean, typically from fingernails to foot wax, leg hairs, anything on your body that comes off of it or out of it is money. So when I was at the gynecologist getting mine traded out for a new one and it stays inside of you for five years when you took it out, which is brutally painful, by the way, he he pretty much threw it in the trash. I don't know where else it would have gone.

And after he left the room, it just struck me with the freaky brain I have that I should probably sell out online. So I took it out, put a little baggie, and I felt so naughty doing that. And I reached out to a client that I knew would be interested in that. He always bought I mean, he would just get the stranger side of things.

Like I said, fingernails like tongue scrapings cutups. Just, I mean, strange to me, not strange to him. And so like I mentioned in that interview, it was a four figure price that we came to agreement on. And now I know he owns something from me that has been inside of me for five years, which doesn't really happen very often, I'm sure, with the things he buys from women or men. So that's really the story.

It's a little interesting, but to me, that's just a normal day. It's like if something if I blow my nose, I know I can sell that tissue to somebody.

Well, he's a he's what I liked about it, though, because I don't have an I.D., but I have I used to have one in my arm, a different type, and I just actually had that I had to put in about a year and a half ago. I wasn't working for me. It was messing things up. And I just had it removed about two months back. And shame on you. That was like seven hundred and fifty dollars to get it out.

And so when I read that story instantly, I was like, fuck, that would have paid to remove the bloody thing.

Yeah, it's so expensive. OK, so just finishing up the kind of the sex positivity side of it, what would be a Goldstar piece of advice you want to give to somebody who maybe was is in your position or has been in your position and they're thinking about how to explore their own sexuality and they're not really sure how to go about it.

What would you recommend to them?

That is a common question I get from women girls when I'm on social media because I do sell sex toys. The horny stoner is one of my websites where we sell bongs and butt plugs. So girls are really curious what type of toy they should get, what type of pipe they should start out with. And I love to reiterate to girls who are interested in and starting their sexual journey that your first love should be yourself. That's something that I know.

Never learned, and I learned it the hard way by being a little bit of a late, late bloomer and I just gave my sexuality away without even knowing how to be in tune with my own. My advice to anyone is to learn and love every single part of you. It's so important because if you can take that energy into the bedroom, not only are you going to feel better during sex, but your partner will be more aroused seeing that you're fully being aroused.

So my suggestion would be that the first thing you know, you go through puberty and you want a boyfriend, but maybe learn how to touch and feel yourself and see if you can orgasm topically or internally and to do it safely. If you feel comfortable talking to your parents about sex or a sex educator, I think that's really important and very lacking in the in the whole education system. And that's a whole nother subject. And if you're 18 and up, I think it's so important to support sex workers.

I think following girls or guys on only fans is an amazing way to support sex workers and also help see what turns you on. So those that would be my advice for someone thinking about having to explore their sexuality.

I love that. And also, it's it's interesting because I even think it was last episode or the episode before I actually recorded myself masturbating.

And I mean, it's way. Can you do that on a podcast? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, really. I've thought about that. I asked my boyfriend. I was like, can I just give you a blowjob? Could that just be the whole episode? And he was like, that's totally illegal.

As long as those aren't explicit and you're in the sexuality realm, you're fine. And so I recorded myself just audibly not not video. And I played it at the end of one of our podcasts recently. And it was hard to share, for starters, because you never know how this stuff is going to land when the listeners are out there listening. But why I did it was because I wanted to share my own exploration of sexuality. And I put it to our listeners to say, hey, go and record yourself and then play it back.

Because what I found was I was even sitting in my own room on my own. I was embarrassed to listen to myself orgasming. And I think even even now, even somebody who is already exploring the sexuality may just be even exploring a kink or going into the alternate relationship style. There's so many things even now that I learn about myself and I love it. I love the journey.

And think about when especially webcam models and only fan girls start their accounts.

It takes so much courage to record yourself coming like I'm I'm so happy that webcam modeling kind of taught me what worked for me and it evolved into me really enjoying watching myself. So that's interesting you said that because it takes I think it takes a superpower to do that. And the more comfortable and confident you are, the more money you'll probably make because people can feel that energy when they connect with you and pay for your content.

Yeah. And in the swinging lifestyle, I think the more comfortable you are with that side of your sexuality, the more you're going to enjoy exploring yourself with others. Because similar to being in a webcam and coming, like if you're in a swing jazz club or you're with some new people, sometimes there's an element of shame around that, or maybe you're not shame, but you can't let yourself fully go and enjoy that experience.

And so I think doing these things and pushing your own personal boundaries sometimes can really heighten that experience. So everybody out there listening as well. And I just mentioned the horny stoner, which is her site for for bombs and sex toys and accessories and things like that. So head to the horny stoner dot com and we're going to be mentioning a few links. And they'll all obviously be in the show notes today for everybody listening so you don't have to get your pen and paper out.

You can get them later.

OK, so let's not talk about becoming a slut propranolol and and how what that means to you. The words intrapreneur. You're the CEO at the moment of of three brands and you mentioned before you sold them. So an e-commerce superstar, you've created something from nothing. As you said before, you know, you didn't have seed as investors. You know, it's just been something that you've created. So what I want to talk about is, have you found many roadblocks as a CEO to being out there so sexually and as you said before, just even being out there authentically as yourself?

Yeah, definitely been a long journey. And I think being such a pioneer is really a word that describes me. And even in my tech talk bio, I put a bimbo with brains because on the outside I appear as this pretty girl with tattoos who can talk really slutty. But what people don't know is on the inside. I'm a frickin e-commerce mastermind who is is kind of using what I got as a as a brand. So that's kind of my secret is, yes, you can be sexy and do tick talk dances and get followers that way.

But for me, I got my fan base from sharing my knowledge and what I've learned from my sexuality. So it's definitely been difficult, especially for people who think shame online. I have a lot of. Men telling me how and what I should be doing with my body, which is difficult for me to swallow and shout out to the men who are supportive of women showing their body. But it's really helped me cut ties with anyone who puts out negative energy towards me.

And I mean that with friends, family, anyone online. I've just learned, you know, what's the point of accepting that energy at all?

But people who hate typically aren't happy and people who hate typically see something in you that they wish they had or they're scared to admit. And I've grown to be more sympathetic with people who don't understand because I don't expect them to understand it. It took me 10 years to to become mature. And that mindset, instead of being so defensive about my sexuality, roadblocks in that sense are definitely like we talked about having a thick skin, building the courage to be OK with showing my body and accepting the consequences and knowing that I won't be able to get certain jobs down the road, knowing that some of my family may not be proud of it and having to come out to my family was more difficult for me than them.

And luckily, there's a lot of unconditional love in my family. But I created fake websites to show them when I was younger, so I so I wouldn't show them my real website. So that's kind of a roadblock sexually.

And as far as e-commerce in general, the roadblocks, I mean, every day is a new roadblock when you have no idea what the fuck you're doing. Selling stuff on the Internet every day is Googling how to fix it and just plowing through the problems and moving forward because it's never stops. That was a great question.

And actually, I just want to mention we've learned a lot about kind of sexuality camming and only fans and stuff. And we did mention the sign earlier. But the other brands is the for example, the alien outfitters and you lights for Beeb's as well. So it's not just we're not talking about content. We're talking about physical items that you are bringing in and shipping out. And actually, I really do enjoy a lot of the diversity on the alien outfitters.

And and what's your tag line for that store or something about getting for the weirdo's or something?

Yeah, it's basically accepting your individuality. And I've always dressed in a very strange way. The second I start looking like everybody else, I feel really uncomfortable. So I wanted to provide like a secret online style source where our balan's, that's what we call them, can just feel comfortable. So it's more of like a little alien family than it is just customers. We've created a community of people who feel like they don't belong, and it really reflects that.

If you go to our socials and and see the positive comments and how we just don't, it's hard to explain. We don't know. Over the years, it's really been a magical journey and it's just evolving into so much more. Alien Outfitters was my only website, but because I sold knives, toys and pipes there, I quickly couldn't advertise anywhere. Algorithm's changed. We just got shut down left and right. So I made a really risky decision last year to branch those collections into two different niche stores.

And it was honestly the best risk I ever took. So last year, that's when Horniest owner was born. That's when Blades for Beeb's was born, which is self defense for women. And now I have three babies to take care of. So it's a little overwhelming. But hopefully once we hire more this year, you know, it's crazy right now, hopefully we'll see some more growth and kind of intertwining the three brands. They're they're kind of like sister stores, if that makes sense.

Thanks for plugging me. I appreciate that.

No, it does. It does make a lot of sense. And two points on the I mean, one is, first of all, the stuff that you're selling on alien outfitters would have absolutely a place in the swing lifestyle because we have a lot of themed events, a lot of hotel takeovers, week long events where we have them not. So, for example, we were actually operating a hotel takeover ourselves in Miami. And one of our theme nights was kind of a desert rock festival theme Burning Man time theme.

And a lot of your stuff in there would be completely it wouldn't be out of place at these things. So that's why when I was looking at it, I was like, OK, I could wear that to this. That is like super easy.

You know, a lot of my product choices just reflect what I like. Everything I like typically sells. That's kind of my product research. So when I did go to raves, I had to go go dancing team. A lot of the clothing and rave outfits we sold, I put on the website. So there's a lot of inspiration from festival culture still to this day, even though a lot of people aren't going to festivals this year. So Burning Man is super cool.

We get a lot of our customers there are totally into the music scene. And that's really cool that you guys put that on in Miami. I'd love to see that someday.

Thank you. And the other thing that I want to mention as well is that you had to split those three brands and that's a huge roadblock and actually. Something that we see even in the swinging lifestyle, we maybe can't access things like a strip payment processor because of the fact that there's sexuality involved in what we do.

So that's such a good point. That's really a good point. Yeah.

So I get what you're saying. And I think that, you know, maneuvering around some of those roadblocks like you've done by splitting your brand into threes to be able to get those funds in is absolutely not only necessary, but but brilliant. So let's talk about. So what do you have any tips, runny nose out there who want to maybe take what they're doing to the next level, creating content and being successful? So I don't mean in the sense of just, you know, here's how to take better photos for, like only fans.

But I'm talking about the fact that, you know, you're utilizing these things to bring in generation funnels and everything to to what you're doing. I mean, do you have any pieces of advice out there for people?

It comes very naturally for me. So when people ask questions, I hate to say, you know, Google this, Google that, but Google has taught me so much. But I think when it comes down to creating content in general, you just have to do it. You can't overthink it. And if anyone listening needs a sign, you need to start now. And if you're not, you need to figure out what's stopping you from starting now.

And most likely it's fear. Most likely it's fear of judgment, fear what your friends and family will think. But you have to ask yourself, what is the worst thing that can happen? Do you want to live your life in handcuffs to people's opinions? And the second I stopped thinking that way, that's when my content became more authentic, more engaging, everything became more natural. I could get on tech, talk and do a cute dance. But I'd be wearing an outfit that I sold to Alien Outfitters and I'd tag my brand in the caption.

And everything just became very natural as far as intertwining. But the most important part for me is to give no fucks. You know, you can't be worried. You don't that you don't have the best lighting or you don't have the best camera or you're not funny. Like none of that matters. People are scrolling so fast, you just have to do something to catch their attention. And for me, it was, you know, selling spit online, selling a face mask that I put in my shoe for a week.

You know, people stop because they're confused and they want to understand and, you know, just be you. That's your superpower. You know, that's my advice if you're wanting to build an audience or just be your fucking self.

Yeah, I couldn't agree more with that, actually, because even when people are thinking about starting podcasts or when people are thinking about starting YouTube and stuff, I know people procrastinate because there's so much out there in the world right now with content creation and Instagram, like it's just, as you said, tick tock. It's just it's constant.

And I think sometimes it is. And I think sometimes, like, I'll go to post something and I'll be like, oh, like this morning I just put up a thing on on Twitter. And I was like, hey, five thirty in the morning getting ready to interview you. And I'm like, you know, I woke up like this because literally I mean, I'm not going to I haven't even brushed my teeth right now. Like this is me.

I'm on it. So I think if you wait for that, that perfect as you said, like I got to do my makeup and that's my hair as it was like an hour and stuff, I think those people will accept you and resonate with your message.

And I think the people that don't like to be honest fuck them, because that's not your ideal person you want to deal with anyway. Right.

And time is money. If you know these girls who spend two or three hours do their makeup for Tic Tacs, that's two to three hours they could have spent making Tic-Tac content.

You know, absolutely, totally agree. Now, I was listening to your podcast, your Sleater Pioneer podcast, and congratulations on all your success there. I mean, it's been, you know, consistently in the top podcasting charts for sexuality. So congratulations.

Oh, my God. I had no idea. She had no idea. No. I mean, it's hard to pay attention to everything I will.

How about this? I will I will send you your chart stats on an email after we get off the podcast just so you can have a look.

And that's exciting. And your day on a super, super big high. But I'm on one of your episodes that I was listening to. You spoke about having some respect for the existing sex workers out there, particularly during in the boom. And I mentioned this on another podcast recently that there was in one single day on only fans. There was one hundred and seventy thousand brand new users that signed up for our fans. And it's going through a massive boom.

It has been, of course, growing exponentially anyway as people become more and more aware of the platforms. Of course, there's just general growth there. But I think covid as really pushed that and elevated that growth forward that. Tell me why why you said, you know, people should have respect for the existing sex workers. What are your thoughts on that?

Well, I mean, you said it best. The adult industry is thriving right now. Everyone's at home. People are losing, losing their homes, their jobs and their financial safety nets. So people are definitely more open minded to a starting. Work and be supporting sex workers, and I hope this support continues to grow after after all this transition, but I think we really need, most importantly, to pay respect to the women and men who paved the way for us.

And I know there was an issue with think it was Bella Thorne when I shook up the whole only fans industry and so many models who relied on daily payment or making pay per view posts over fifty dollars. This totally got axed out of nowhere. That to me is really important. Like for me on my only fans today, I went on and I was like, hey, if you're a girl with a free account comment below, I want to follow all you guys.

I want to like your posts. And then it turned into this massive love chain. Everyone started following each other, giving tips. And I know the twenty thousand subs that I have were probably following all the the cute girls in the thread. And to me, that was more important than anything, because I'm I'm fine. I'm good financially. So now it's all about how can I help others who need help? And those are the things that get me excited these days, because building a brand and having it successful so many times is one thing.

But when you're changing someone's life, that's another. But like you said, we really need to support, pay respect, put out people who started and share their stuff, share their content, and it can be difficult when the market becomes oversaturated. But it's one of those industries where the strong survive. It's not made for the weak skinned. So even though one hundred and seventeen thousand whatever users joined, I think over time that'll dwindle down because it's such a high risk type of industry.

Yeah.

Yeah. Thank you. And I really appreciate your your sentimental creating community there as well. I think that's really super important. So thank you for sharing that.

Oh, no problem. OK, now let's step away from being a slut renewer and let's now head into it. Let's not rap the podcast up. Let's talk about some personal snapshots in this podcast. We've already spoken about some things that you've sold and kind of your journey, but your podcast being a lot different stories from successful slots. Let's talk about that. Let's talk about your relationship. Like, what's the gossip there? Have you ever had a threesome?

What's happening? How do you feel about non monogamy where primal or primarily a non monogamous podcast? But we have sex positive. Like let's just let's just get into it for the last few minutes. The podcast.

I mean, honestly, I don't give a fuck who you like what you do as long as you aren't hurting anyone. And if you are, there better be consent. But I, I just have never judged people. I just don't see that is as normal. I always was taught unconditional love. So non monogamous couples doesn't bother me at all. I personally I like girls. I like guys. I like the everything in between. I'm, I'm very attracted to energy.

More so as a Scorpio at heart.

I can be very aggressive and I kind of have to tone that down when I'm interested in someone because I just want to consume them wholeheartedly.

I said I was a late bloomer, so I started really indulging in my sexuality around eighteen.

But I did meet my partner at the strip club I worked at and he kind of changed my mind about being with women so much because I just never had a guy really turn me on. You know, up to then a guy never made me orgasm. So experiencing that with him was a game changer. And not only that, but being open to threesomes with him really open the spectrum of sexuality for me. I thought I was freaky just with him, but add another girl in the mix.

I was like, oh my God, I just felt this like godly energy in bed. And after these experiences we had together, I felt so much more connected to him. And Scorpio's can have this sense of jealousy. And it's interesting because even to this day, if I'm masturbating, I'll think about those experiences we shared and some of that little jealousy I felt. It weirdly turns me on a lot. And after I realized that whenever we would have experiences with another woman, I started really being interested in just watching them engage, because when I'm in that kind of scenario, it's really difficult for me to orgasm because I'm so excited and I want to please everyone else.

And I was like, fuck this. I'm just going to sit down in the corner and masturbate to you guys and get some good spank bank material in my head. And with with age, you learn what you like. So that was an interesting part of my youth, I'd say. So that's really where I met. We never swung or anything. We've been together for almost almost ten, nine years and I don't necessarily share that part of my life on the Internet like I never post.

Pictures with him, for one, it's not my brand, and two, he doesn't necessarily want to be used or manipulated for brand. And every couple I've seen online that come off as a branded couple, I see a lot of downward spirals because of that. So when a lot of people ask me, like, hey, do you have a girlfriend or boyfriend, whatever, I'm just like, look, I give my whole life on the Internet.

I just want to keep my personal life personal. And not only that, on my podcast, I think two episodes he joins because I love his voice.

It's so sexy. And we talk about our threesomes. We talk about how we met. So that's really the only content that I have on the Internet with him. If if anyone wants to know about that, it's obviously on my podcast. But God, I just love a supportive man, especially someone who's dating a sex worker. Like, I just want to give a little hand. Yes. To who are OK with that.

It takes a strong man or woman to support that. I absolutely echo that that sentiment as well. And I just roll back to your threesome situation and think feeling a bit of jealousy actually turned you on. That's not uncommon.

We actually interviewed a lady called Dr. Jessa Riley, who's a global sexologist. She's based out of Canada and she actually feels the same way. So she loves it when there is a little bit of she's a very powerful woman, but she loves it when there's a little bit of jealousy because it turns her on so much. And so it's a really it's really normal, actually, to and we speak a lot about competition in the swinging lifestyle where, you know, you experience these moments of joy when you see your partner engaging something that makes them happy and I mean that can be skydiving or it can be having sex with another person.

And I think that all of those really interesting feelings are something that it's great to explore. And so I'm glad you shared that because there are people probably out there listening to this right now who do get turned on by, you know, little bits of jealousy that may creep in from time to time when they are seeing their partner engage with somebody. We just spoke about the podcast there. So that's the slot in your podcast. Guys, go and have a listen to that where you can, I guess, if you really want to find out about and his partner, find some some some content there, but definitely go give it give it a listen, because in that podcast, you talk a lot about how you've built your brand, how you have created content.

You give some tips there for people who are wanting to maybe start a store or start and only fans, you know, really how to hustle.

To be honest, I think you and I am I can't wait to dive in to your stuff because maybe down the road, babe, and I will maybe swing, maybe not. That'll that'll be a conversation down the road.

I love it. Thank you. Thank you so much for being so open. So to everybody out there listening, this has been and a D a Rebecca Blue and all of the links that we've spoken about today will be in the show notes for you guys to listen to. So please head up some office stores. And if you're out there and you're in this swinging lifestyle, do you seriously recommend Alien Outfitters to get your next themed costume? Because I know for a fact that I'm going to be buying some stuff on there for upcoming items when covid PCs the fuck off.

And and I've really enjoyed the conversation with you. Thank you so much for taking time out of your day to talk to us and share your story.

Thank you so much for having me and accepting me. And thank you everyone who is listening.

All right, guys. So we're going to head out now. Thank you. Have a fantastic day and we'll see you guys all soon.

Bye, guys.