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Welcome, welcome, welcome to armchair expert I'm Dan Rather. I'm joined by Miniature Mouse. Hi there. Emmy nominated. Thank you. I like the full title as you deserve.


Just quickly, I want to say thanks to all the people that have been so unbelievably lovely to us in response to day seven.


I hope you felt loved and supported and that your fears were abated.


My fears were the opposite of what the result was. Yeah, but yes, struggling with some fraudulent feelings of receiving love based on a fuckup.


But at any rate, I am really, really grateful. And there's so many beautiful, nice people. So many. Yeah.


One of those nice people is Sofia Coppola. That's right. Oh. I got to add one more thing. I was not high when I shaved my head.


That was dated last year. A lot of people said, I can see you were high as a kite. I actually was not. I was having a a metamorphosis transitional. I wanted to make a physical statement that I was shedding something.


Yeah, OK. Sorry. Sofia Coppola.


Sofia Coppola is an Academy Award and Golden Globe Award winning screenwriter, director, producer and actress. Her credits include Lost in Translation, one of my top ten movies of all time, Marie Antoinette, The Virgin Suicides, The Bling Ring Somewhere.


And she has a new movie that she's written, produced and directed called On the Rocks with Rashida Jones and the incomparable Bill Murray, your favorite.


It comes out October 2nd, followed by digital streaming on October twenty third on Apple TV.


Plus, I am going to watch it and so should you enjoy Sofia Coppola.


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He's in charge. I think that's what you look like, like that sympathy weight of you heard the program.


Yes, one of my closest friends, Hannah, is obsessed with her show and like, you have to be an expert. And she's the one that told me that I would listen to you. Oh, that's so flattering. And you've gotten her through quarantine and she loves you so much. Oh, my God. I was like, I have to be on the show. And then they're like, you're going to be on it.


I was like, oh, no, no, I have to really do that.


We've accidentally, I think, kind of carved out a space where it could elicit the same fear that people used to have over doing like Barbara Walters, where it's like, oh, fuck this, she's going to make me cry. I know that's what she does right now.


She said, oh, he he likes to get psychological.


Have you ever heard this term Batur mind high frequency illusion? Have you ever heard that term? Yes, but I don't know what that is.


In short, it's like you buy a Volkswagen bug and then you're driving around L.A. and all of a sudden you start noticing they're everywhere and you're like, oh my God, I thought I was buying this unique car. And everyone drives a green Volkswagen bug.


And that's an illusion, right? It was always the same that bugs were obsessed with it, we always pointed out.


So we had literally just ordered Domino's and then we put the computer down and then we literally read your name. At one point was Domino.


We were like, oh, my God, Peter. I know how we got we got very gave us a really exciting beta Minoff. That was so funny. Oh, my God. You really do the research. I was talking to Rob.


Thank God it's so much work to have to research everyone. As in-depth as it seems like you guys do.


It's not terrible. No, we have experts on every Thursday and they're like scientists.


Yeah. I loved Wendy Mogwai. I learned that from your show. She's a member.


Yeah. And then I got her book and then I got to do it. I assume the good thing about quarantine is people are accessible and you can talk to experts. So it's really cool shows like Yoda.


Oh, yeah, she'll totally jiujitsu you. So you come and you're like, oh, you got it all figured out. She's like, yes. And then look at this. You're on your back and you are completely wrong. And now you see it.


Lover, lover, lover. Where are you at, if you don't mind my asking?


Oh, I'm in a Napa Valley where I grew up in Northern California. Oh, I was excited to learn that you lived in Paris for a bit. How long do you live there?


Yeah, I lived there for a few years after I did Marie Antoinette. I had my first daughter there and took the first couple of years there. Yeah. And I don't even know. Twenty five for a couple of you. And do you speak French?


No, sadly I tried to learn and then I just gave up but I've spent enough time. They start to understand it but I'm shy about speaking. Yeah but my husband is French. Oh.


So does he ever communicate with your children and you're like Oh cool guys, I'd love to know what's going on.


I can kind of follow up, but I'm just so proud that they understand French that I'm glad. And so I hope that they can have like a secret language against me. I like, motivate them to speak French.


I couldn't agree with you more. We have two daughters as well. And I I've been telling my wife, like from the second number to arrive and I'm like, can't wait to they start plotting against us. Like, I'm almost like listening at their door to when they're going to start plotting against us. And it's been happening for about a year and it makes me so happy.


It's really cute. And they do. Yes. You had siblings growing up. Yeah, I have a brother, Roman, and we're we work together. Yeah, we're really close.


I had that bond with my brother against everyone else in the world and it's like the most safe feeling ever.


I know that. Yeah. It's the best that we always put on location with my parents. So I think we're extra close because we didn't always have, like, the neighborhood kids and stuff.


OK, so before I start asking you a bunch of questions, OK, I'd like to know what your appetite is for them, because I never want to be asking somebody about something they hate talking about. So, of course, I have deep curiosity about your childhood. I just introduced Monica about six months ago to Hearts of Darkness. Yeah.


Wow. Oh, yeah. What a documentary. It's a great it's. Yeah, yeah. No, I don't mind talking about any of that. I'm so glad that my mom filmed that. I think it's such a great document of just creativity and I love that we have that and I have memories. I was there from four to six, so I definitely have memories.


I think I was only one having fun and I was one time directing a movie with a ton of explosions.


And so my daughter loves explosions. So she'd show up every day. We had tons of explosions. And I just remember, like as a three year old, I'd hear in the other room yell, fire in the hole that I was like, oh, so great.


Yes, I have I have memories like that from the little things.


And then the thing I thought was particularly cool or inspirational to hear your father, who is without question in the pantheon of the very best directors to ever live, hear him say repeatedly, I don't know what the fuck mean. I don't I'm so scared. I don't know what I'm doing is so helpful.


I know. I love that about it. And I think when you make anything, it's always scary to show it. Anybody that's like I nailed it. I don't trust them. So I think all creative people are full of self-doubt. And it's comforting to hear from someone that's so brilliant and revered that even he has. And I remember even him telling me that the first day on set, he always feels like he doesn't know what he's doing and people are going to look at him like that.


He knows what he's doing. And it's so comforting and reassuring to me to know that even he has those insecurities. So when I go on set like this is normal, that everybody feels that way.


And it helps a lot to know that yet because the fear level for me is like it's a very complicated job. Right. And until you've done it, you don't really I think even as an actor, you're not really getting what's going on, but you have all these different roles in the process, be them creative and everything else.


But at the end of the day, it is a dictatorship and you are the military general and you must instill confidence in these people so they don't feel like they're wasting their time. So you're juggling that with also wanting to be vulnerable and ask for help and admit you're scared and all those things. So it's a very tricky place to be able to do that. And I think it shows insane confidence to be vulnerable in the moment. You're supposed to be like total conviction about everything, you know.


Yeah. And I think hopefully you're prepared to go into it knowing what you're doing. But I love the collaborative part of it that you get to ask your director, I don't know, what do you think? And then think about it. And there all these people, they're working with you. You're not alone. But as long as you go into it with a plan in mind, I think you figured out as you go.


Yeah. And again, I think the more confident you are, the easier it is for you to open up the discussion where you're like, well, ultimately I will make this decision. So I don't need to be terrified that I'm going to lose my autonomy by taking on this information.


Yeah, I think if you're confident enough, you're open to other people's ideas and then it's fun and collaborative.


Yeah. Now, as a filmmaker, did you just absorb like I've already noticed my many questions. I'm going to have some selfish ones about how not to fuck up my daughters. But that that that's forthcoming. I'll try. But you must have been absorbed. And I think even like our five and seven year olds, it's like the amount of lexicon they know about. Moviemaking is already way more than I knew at twenty years old just because how could they not have picked that up there on sets all the time and everything.


So do you think you had a pretty good awareness of the process or did you enter it with fear and confusion and all those things?


We spent our whole childhood on set. It was always fun to go to set and my dad always liked having the kids there and everyone he worked with like family. So I felt really comfortable on set. And I spent a lot of time and later reading the Malcolm Gladwell about ten dollars an hour or so. Yeah, I got my ten thousand hours. Like, I think that's so true and so important. And I didn't think I wanted to be a filmmaker.


I want to do something different for my family, of course. And then I in my twenties, I was trying different things. I did a short film and I was like, oh, I just know how to do everything. And it felt really natural and comfortable. And so I realized that I was learning my whole life. And then it made sense when I tried to do it in a kind of mysterious way.


Yeah. And so I know you were in a fashion I know that you've had all these different passions and they've come together beautifully in the stuff you've done.


But I do wonder if you could even put a percentage on it, like how much of it was like general interest and how much of it was like, I got to get in a completely different line because I just I have to well, as a little kid, I always really loved fashion, which is something I was into.


And at the time, it wasn't in our culture the way it is now. So it's sort of unusual. And so my parents really encouraged it. And I did an internship at Chanel when I was a teenager because my parents had a friend that worked with them and and they just really encouraged that. So that was something I always was really into. But I could never kind of land my plane on one thing because I like so many different things. I like photography and I like music.


And so when I did my short film, I felt like, oh, wow, this is something where it combines all the things I'm into because I never had the patience to become an expert on one thing. I was always annoyed that I was kind of like I couldn't be great at one thing, but I had this interest. So I felt like when I did film that you get to work with all the experts, I get to work with the cinematographer and I get to work with musicians and all the things I enjoy, but I don't know enough to do just that.


So, yeah, it kind of all came together in a way that I can express my ideas.


Yeah. Were you not a great finisher for a while, like were you a good starter of things and not a great finisher of things.


Early on when I started to do something I have to do it. I hate when people say they're doing things that don't do it. So if I say I'm going to do it, I finish it. Yeah. My dad gave us a really strong work ethic. He's a really hard worker and that probably came from his immigrant family.


One of my favorite parts of Hearts of Darkness is the movies put on hold, right?


There was a tsunami or whatever, and they shut down things. And it is as bad as it gets, I'm sure, for your father and your mother at that point, pressure wise. Right. Like there's going to be more money needed in all this stuff.


And then we cut to this insane party at your family home that looks like something out of a Fitzgerald novel or it's like everyone's dress sexy and you're at a vineyard.


And of course, I already know the answer to this, which is just like your childhood, your childhood and whatever it is like baseline normal. But did you have any awareness at all when you were a child in that environment?


Going like this is spectacular or this is abnormal or this is, you know, oh, there's Jack Nicholson.


Were you aware of any of that? I guess that was just. Almost as I remember now, looking back, that was very kind of magical and Bill Graham jumped out of the plane and my dad's birthday and that kind of setting you're describing, my dad always made things really, really fun.


And they have like a camp out party for Sportingbet. They were like hundreds of his friends were all camping. I just think he did everything and a really big way. But it just seemed really fun and magical. And we went in a helicopter, landed in the parking lot at Disneyland and the security came out.


But like, you can't land a helicopter here. And so that's how we did things.


And so to me, I grew up with that being normal and fun.


You cannot land a helicopter in the parking lot. I'm very sorry for you. Oh, that's really great.


OK, now, when did you start thinking of yourself?


Identity wise is like I'm a filmmaker. This is what I'm going to do.


In my 20s. I went to class. I want to be a painter and I wanted to be an artist of some sort. And I started a T-shirt company with France. I remember someone in their 60s telling me that they never liked what their career was. And I thought, I don't want to be like that. I want to try everything to make sure I do what I love. So I was trying everything. And then I made the short film.


And then when I read the Book of the Virgin Suicides, I love the book so much. And I heard that someone was making a movie and I was like, I hope they don't ruin this book. Yeah. And I thought I'd like to learn how to adapt a book into a screenplay. So I'll just try making a few chapters and see how it goes. And then I started doing that just as an experiment. And then I couldn't stop.


And I, I wrote a whole script and I was so attached to it. I had met the producers and I said, if anything falls through with the director, we consider mine. And somehow they took a chance on me when I did it, but was really out of wanting to protect that book. And I heard a guy was doing it and making it really dark and violent.


I'm like, no, it shouldn't be like that. It should be like this was really out of the love that book that I wanted to make it into a film. And then I guess I was hooked and got into it. But I wasn't planning really on being a director and I was fighting it because it's so obvious in my family I wanted to do something different.


But yeah, but again, it is a very interesting dynamic. Most people conventionally in the US, the pattern has been most children exceed whatever the parents did. So this is like this kind of expected. Oh, good. They did this. And I'm going to have a little leg up and I'm going to go to college. They did. And this is going to happen again. You know, when your father directs a movie that's tied is the best movie ever made in the history, it's every single person agrees.


It's like, you know, for you to step above, that would be you got to you got to beat Citizen Kane somehow.


And I'm so glad that you never felt the brunt of that, I guess, because some of your movies are some of my favorite I've ever seen.


And I'm glad that you didn't feel oppressed by that or competitive.


No, I mean, I would never think that I could do anything in the realm of what he does. But I felt a little freedom because usually children of celebrities are revered. People are a lot of times that they're kind of losers are fucked up.


And so I felt like that a low bar for, like, the kids you don't really like.


That's true. If you stay out of rehab like Vermont. Yeah, that's great. You're pretty good. But it's not the kid's fault.


I think about my own children. I'm like, OK, well, I grew up on a dirt road in Michigan and so everything was an upgrade in my mind. It was like if I lived in Florida, it'd be warm all year. That's exciting. There's an ocean there. Oh, if I went to New York City, that's that. And then the ultimate would be California. And then I came here and I'm here. And then my children have a swimming pool in their backyard.


Well, we didn't have that. In fact, that's why you work to get one.


So I'm kind of like, where the fuck are my kids even going to want to move? They're already here. What thing do they want? You know, it is yeah, it's a very different way of parenting than, say, my mother had to deal with.


Well, I never thought about like trying to top your upbringing because I guess I would just be too daunting. Yeah, I felt like living in Paris. I mean, I knew about it because my family traveled a lot and I spent time there, but I felt like something different and getting away from my upbringing, living in different countries and stuff and also like about doing things I never thought I could dare to do. I mean, you see Apocalypse Now, like I would never dare to ever try to do anything and is wrong, but because I was doing my own thing and I felt like there weren't a lot of movies talking about teenage girls or a female point of view.


And I felt like, oh, that's something that I'm not seeing out there in a way that I relate to. So I felt like I'm making this, which is my thing. And yeah, not getting bigger, but, you know, different enough or I wouldn't try to make like a gangster movie.


Well, don't rule it out. There could be a female story that pops up. It might be interesting. Back to Paris for one second because I have this thought when I'm there. I've not met a bunch of times, Paris maybe five times, but a friend of mine has an apartment there. And right before we had our first child, I asked my wife, like, can I just have a week like last time on Earth where I don't have a kid and blah, blah, blah, I'm going to see my buddy.


Yeah, totally. So I went and, you know, it's winter. And we had a snowball fight in front of the cafe to Flora.


And I was like, Oh, I'm living in a movie, right? Yeah. I even have the thought.


Like, it'd be a shame if I moved here and that this place got filed into white noise the way the rest of wherever you live gets filed into white noise like, is there a risk in moving there where it's no longer Paris?


No, I never felt like that. You know, you walk over a bridge and you're like, I can't believe Paris. And I have a friend who's American the. Lived there for like 20 years and he's still like, it's so beautiful out today. I walked through Paris. I can't imagine that happening. And we have our places around the corner from cafe floor. I've been there a million times, but every time it's like a cafe floor and you're looking at Parisians.


I never get jaded of it. I think it's just such a magical place.


Oh, on that trip I was seeing Bradley Cooper. He goes, hey, I got to do this talk show appearance. Do you want to come with me? I'll tag along. Let's go do that. And we get there.


And I'm expecting like a translator and maybe it's like a Charlie Rose situation where it's going to be a serious thing. Oh, no, this is a fucking late night comedy show.


And Cooper starts talking and he's got that. People are laughing. And I'm like, not only uses it, he's making jokes in there. Like it was like watching him fly.


I was like, I didn't know you could fly.


How does he speak French so. Well, that's kind of a French parent. You know, he got interested in it in high school. And he is a savant that can learn things like I was just seeing him the other day. I mean, he never sang. I've known him for 15 years. He's never sang. And then I see stars where I'm like, oh, my God, yeah, sure, you sing. I said, if you flew over my house in an airplane, I'd be like, yeah, I guys, I guess he learned that this weekend.


You know, some people have that aptitude, right?




OK, now let's talk about Lost in translation, because I think that's such an amazing movie. It's so incredible in so many ways because it's paradigm shattering. It's not as linear or conventional or there's all these different things.


I'm sure, like a screenwriting professor would have been like, oh, no, this is your device, you know, but there's so much magic in that movie.


And I'm just curious because I've acted in enough stuff that sometimes you're in the presence of magic and you can feel it. And it's so special. And I just wonder if you were feeling it real time or it was something in retrospect.


Oh, that's a good question. I remember it was just a magical experience. We were in Tokyo and Bill Murray showed up. I didn't even know if he's in a show, but I wrote it for him and I was like, not making this without him because I it wouldn't work without him. And I got the financing all up on this whim that he might show up. We don't have a contract or anything. So when Bill showed up, I was just like, oh my God.


Like, thank God. We just we shot it and I don't know, like twenty seven days or something, like really tight. And we were shooting all at night because we had to stay out of the way of the hotel. So we were all kind of delirious. Yeah. And we were all half awake to be there with Bill and Scarlett. Tokyo was just so it, it felt like the movie that you're kind of like in that neon dream atmosphere.


And had you ever met him prior to working with him? I met him once. I met him once before I was I spent a year trying to track him down. And then my friend Mitch Glazer, who's a writer, is friends with him. And I was like, well, you look at my script and let me know what you think. And you think he would ever be open to it. And I left messages on his voicemail for like a year.


Well, again, for people who don't know the the master of Bill Murray. Right. And I'm probably wrong on some of this stuff, but apparently he has a line that you can call that you can only leave a message. It doesn't really ring him. And then some people magically go back and some don't. Is that how it works?


Yes. It's not just folklore. He really was only reachable that way. And then I was in New York and I got a call from Mitch saying, I'm with Bill right now. We're at this restaurant and wants to meet you. And I was like, OK, I dropped everything and ran over and he was wearing a seersucker suit. I always remember that. And my new movie, I'd make him wear a suit, but I had that moment.


I don't know, you know, in Sixteen Candles, when Jake Ryan picks her up at the end and she points to her dad like that's the guy. Yeah. I had that moment with my friend Mitch, like, I'm here.


And they're like, yeah.


And then I said, Do you think you would give my movie? And he said, I might be inclined to. That's all. That was the only kind of sort of commitment I kept calling, like, are you really going to do it?


And and I went it and I went to Tokyo and we were like spending money, making a little money in the hope that he would show up. So nerve racking.


By the way, I hate to bring it back, but it literally sounds like waiting for Marlon Brando to show, like, will he be here?


I never thought about that. But I do I do credit. I feel like I got balls from my dad because he would just make things happen. He's like, you just got to start. You just have to do it. And a few years ago, I was like moping and complaining, like I'm waiting to get approval to get green light from the studio to get our financing for an actor. And he's like green light.


But I never waited for green light.


You just start making your movie like, you know, I do believe that is one hundred percent true because everyone else is incentivized to not step on a landmine and you're incentivized to start working. So it's like sometimes you've got to start.


Yeah, there is that momentum that you just have to start and hopefully things will follow.


Now, I'm not going to ask you because you won't tell me. And it's none of our business, I suppose. But I am curious if you know what Bill Murray says to Scarlett Johansson in her ear.


I love when people ask him.


He says it's between lovers. It's between the two of them.


I do, but I'm not asking about like I just want to you know, I always felt like you can't summarize that in a sentence and that for people to they knew you get the gist of kind of what is it? I never thought that that would be a big thing. Oh, it's a huge thing.


I was going to say it must be so interesting to create a scene that that is one of these things like what's in the fuckin briefcase in Pulp Fiction.


That's so. At the time, we were just like, I don't know, we'll figure out the line when we get there and like nothing really. And we were thinking about the Italians, how they would just count numbers and then figure it out later. Yeah, yeah. When they would dub movies. So it's funny. I guess there's a lot of things that can happen of accident.


There had to be some level anxiety, too, which is like, is that going to do it? Is that is that going to be satisfying to watch him whisper in her ear? That was an unknown. I'm sure it's like you committed to it, which is great. But it could have gone the other way, right?


Yeah, that's true. I know it was just sort of one of those. Let's just try that.


First of all, do you ever get checks from the Park Hyatt just like, hey, man, thanks, because I have it as a life goal to go there and have lost in translation experience based solely on your movie.


I just want to live in a few frames of your movie.


So I went there a few years ago with my kids and stuff and it was exactly the same. They've kept it perfectly the same, but, you know, refreshed. They have all the wallpaper and stores and they keep it updated. But I'm so happy they kept it exactly the same. They never needed it and there's so nice there. But they were nice to let us shoot there. But I had to have like tours and stuff.


No, I don't I don't get tired of that. But they take good care of me when I go. It's really fun to go back and they say, well, that's OK.


Now there's one scene in the movie that I must talk to you about because I think it's the thing that comes up the most often in my life that I do. And I don't know how often people even understand what I'm doing.


But there is something so pitch perfect about Bill Murray dealing with. He slept with the woman from downstairs and he's kind of dealing with the aftermath or the redhead.


Yes, that was the real singer at the hotel. I heard that.


But the fact that she was singing Midnight at the Oasis, there's something so truthful about that moment.


And I just am curious if there's anything you remember about how that little thing came to be.


That's so funny. I just thought it would be funny and he would be so busted and that kind of that feeling the next day. And I didn't want to embarrass the singer, but I just thought it was funny. It's because she's unattractive.


It's just like, oh, now I've got now I've got this attachment to a stranger that has emotional implications that I don't want to deal with. So it's not even like it was cruel.


Yeah. And I thought the day he'd be regretting it on top of it, she's singing. I forgot about that and I haven't seen that in a while. I'm so glad you enjoyed that. But that song, I don't know.


There isn't a better selection than that.


You put the camel to bed.


Well, if someone woman was singing that and I'm thinking like, how quickly can I get this person out of my life?


There's singing that song to me.


There's just such a unique, embarrassed embarrassment and trauma that it felt so real to me.


Oh, that's funny. I'm glad she was a good sport about that.


That must have been fun for her. I remember they put the folks from the dressing room. I don't know if you ever went there in the nineties. Yeah. Yeah.


Marty and Elaine. Yes. You know, they put them in swingers and then they became this thing. People would go like, observe.


And I just always thought that was so interesting. And surely that Gail, people probably went to see seeing midnight at the Oasis.


OK, Maria Antoinette is also a movie I just thought was so spectacular in so many ways.


In fact, on that trip I just talked about to Paris, I had never had a desire to go to Versace. I'm not interested in that type of thing. But you shot there or at least some exteriors and stuff?


No, they let us shoot there. They let us shoot in the palace. And it was incredible. I don't think they had let anyone film there before and they really gave us full access. It was so fun to be there. My cousin, Jason Pearson, all of our crew and I remember one day we were shooting in the real hall of mirrors and they had let us keep our equipment in Marie Antoinette's real bedroom around the corner. So I walked through and experience and it's bedroom with all our cameras.


Yeah, I was like, Really?


Yes, it was it was really surreal. And we shot at. Did you ever see we did a Cribs episode with Jason walking around the Hall of Mirrors. Remember that show?


Kris loved it, but I didn't see that episode we did on with Jason around Forsys. It was fun to be there, but it was kind of overwhelming because I wasn't used to having so many extras and it was so much work, all the costumes, everything. But it was really fun. To be in the real places was pretty incredible. Yeah.


Is that the biggest movie you've directed in its scope? Yeah. And what were the pluses and minuses of that going that scale?


I love the way it looks and I'm proud of it now, seeing it after so much time. I watched it with my thirty year old daughter and the fact that she admitted that she liked that was a big moment for me in my career. But I at the time was just exhausting and overwhelming because I'd never had such a long shoot and so many logistics. And after that I was like, I don't want to make movies anymore. And my daughter was born.


I took a break.


Is it because the juggling of the logistics were so exhausting or was it the pressure of having that much riding on you or both?


I think it was just exhausting coordinating it all that I was like, I just want to make another movie with two people in a hotel, you know, just focus on acting. And it was so much coordinating. And yeah, it's just a bigger scale, which I'm glad I did. I enjoyed it. But it was different than just like focusing on two people's performance.


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Now, I once did a movie set in a prison, and even though I got to leave at night, it was 10 and 12 hours a day in a jail cell. Wow. And I couldn't spread my arms all the way. Right. So just this notion that I could be touching to walls had this, like, cumulative impact on both the other actor and I. I'm not complaining at all. I'm only saying that these fake environments can kind of inhabit you in bizarre ways that you're maybe not intending.


And I wonder if in the fun way, did that environment, VCI, seep into you?


Were you able to feel like you were experiencing it in the period at all?


It was incredible that people that worked there had the same expression. When you walk into one of the banquet halls and seeing it all set up with food and people living in it almost felt like ghosts or something. So it did feel like you were somehow in communication with the history there. And to see it kind of reenacted was really striking when you were there in person.


Do you ever wish you would have taken like a ton of mushrooms and just wandered sad so that you could actually believe you were there was a real.


That's a good idea. Yes.


I mean, it might fuck up your day of work, but, yeah, that would be terrifying if anyone asked me what to do out of it. But it's a good idea. Yeah.


Do you want to shoot the wider the close up first blue. Let's go blue. Oh my God.


I could find a wand around baci altered. You just gave me an idea which is I have to imagine you have director friends. You guys should be stopping by each other's sets on mushrooms.


Of course, you can't do it while you're directing because you fucking all but good idea.


Whoever is friends with Benioff, like go to Game of Thrones, put on the fucking man, the boomers out of your mind and be in Game of Thrones for a couple hours.


That's a good idea. It is. And if you have access to it, it would be it would be a shame not to.


Yeah. Wes Anderson world. Oh, wow. Yeah.


Oh, that would be maybe the best because the details you'd spin out on in the a squirrel costume.


I just got another idea. I think we could almost finance movies if we had a couple of period things.


And you did sell for a lot of money, let's say two hundred grand. I think you could get tech billionaires to come live in vesi for the day on shrooms and be in your background and you could maybe finance a whole movie like this.


Thank God you're full of ideas. That's a great idea. Thank you so much, you guys.


Thanks for virtual reality for your level. OK, Kirstyn, clearly you guys worked well together. Yeah. Unless you've had a public falling out, I don't know about which. I love Kristen.


She's like my sister with the little sister to me.


What is the thing for you to that makes you so simpatico?


You know, I think it's just like how you cook with certain people and certain directors had their uses. And I just feel like she understands and I've explained it to her. She gets what I'm trying to convey. She just gets it. She has the same sense of humor and taste and she just knows what I'm looking for. There's something about her that I am drawn to because she seems kind of effervescent and extroverted in a way that I'm not. But then she has this depth finder, her eyes that you don't expect from a kind of sparkly blonde.


There's just something about her that I love that she can express for me.


I have to imagine you watched her in Fargo. Yeah, I didn't watch the whole thing. I need to watch the rest of it. But I just had it the first year of her and Jesse and I know what I did to watch the rest of it.


I've always thought she was really good. But I got to say, in Fargo, I had that moment and this is a weird thing to say because she's had plenty of success.


So it's not that I'm saying she isn't wildly successful.


It's just sometimes you see people and you're like, oh, well, they're Meryl Streep.


Does everyone not agreeing on this or is there not consensus like this person?


Shockingly talented? I'm so impressed by her, but I should watch that. I need a new thing to watch. So thanks for reminding me.


What do you watch? What TV are you into? And watching the battle right now? All of us to. Yeah, yeah, I'm hooked on that. But no, I don't watch a ton of TV, but then it's really fun when you get hooked into something like that. I really was into watching killing in the first season. Did you watch Fleabag? Yes.


I love the I'm going to guess you haven't watched this, but if you liked fleabag, I may destroy you. Have you seen this?


Oh yeah. I watched the first few and I thought it was so well done, but it was too dark for me. Like, I don't really want to live in that world. Yeah. Escapism. That's that. I miss, like the kind of glamorous era of like mini series from the eighties when I grew up. So you guys got a little too gritty for me. I want some glamorous escapism. You want heart to heart.


I love to meet you. There is. Yeah, there are so many shows. Back then it was just about like a cute couple doing some stuff and then you could be anything really cool glamour.


OK, now when it's time to make your newest movie on the rocks. Yeah. Do you assume like Oh I'll be able to get bail again or you just as nervous as you were the last time.


I didn't want to work with them again because I feel like we had something special and people really loved him in that movie so I can never recreate it. So I never want to work with him again. And now I. All this time, I thought, you know, I love working with him and we're at different phases in our life, hopefully we something else, it's not going to be that, but hopefully people will be open to that. The sad part that's scary to me, but I thought, I'm not going to not get to work with him one more time.


There's something really interesting there, because generally when two people have massive success together, the first thought is like, well, let's do that again. That works. Yes.


So I'm curious, you are just fearful that it would fall short of this thing that you captured or you didn't have something particular in mind to do with him.


But I also kind of put it off because I thought I will never be able to top that or it'll always feel like it's not lost in translation.


And then now, after all this time, I thought I've never seen him as a dad. And we're both different because of a life. And he's older. And my brother and I did the Christmas special with him and he had a scene with Washita to work together. And I thought, oh, they're so cute together. They have a nice chemistry. And I love the idea of like a father daughter buddy movie. And I thought, I'm just going to get over my fear and and he's so great to work with.


And I knew that he could make the character lovable, who could have been very unlikable and know he would bring his heart to it and help me out.


Yeah. And what is on the rocks about do you hate telling the premises of your movies?


No, but I'm not I don't feel like I'm good at it. I have it down in a nutshell right now, but I'm going to meander. But hopefully a friend of mine had a story. She suspect her husband was having a thing with one of his coworkers and she had like a Playboy father who insisted that they, like, spy on the guy. And she was really like hiding in the bushes, spying on her husband. And I was like, oh, my God, that would be a fun premise for a buddy movie with a father and daughter.


And I love the Thin Man movies to the Thin Man. No worries that the thin.


Then there was a detective couple and they would just drink martinis and solve mysteries. And it was a whole series that I love. So that was kind of ideas. I wanted the two of them to be drinking martinis and discussing relationships while they're spying on her husband.


OK, so Dad's helping daughters spy on daughter's husband. Yeah. And in the meantime, I remember growing up with my dad and his buddies, like, telling me like it is about what men are really thinking and how it and that about like relationships. I just thought it was such a funny kind of different generation discussing men and women and relationships and and sort of about how your parents affect the way you pick a partner or how you look at them through their point of view, or also what comfort level you have kind of boundaries wise, if that's the right way to say it.


It's like, yeah, if you had kind of progressive parents, then the blueprint is a little more flexible or unconventional and then maybe you can go the other way.


You well, you could go the other way. I see people go the other way or in my world. My mom and dad were best friends even though they were divorced and my mom was best friends with all of her exes. And there were exes all around, you know, like so I just grew up that way. And I'm friends with all my exes. And when I met Kristen, she was like, I do not understand this. I've never met anyone that's super close with all their exes.


And this is unusual. Weird. And her mom doesn't hang with her exes.


So I'm like, oh, we both just inherited this, you know? Yeah.


Yeah. I have to imagine it's all pretty predictable, but it is tempting to feel like you and I the age we are, that's the way our dads talked to your point in the way men are now, or at least should be. And we're aiming to be.


That feels like a huge chasm. I feel like it's a bigger one than has existed previously.


I think so, too. It feels like a huge difference between the generation. So just having them discuss these things from such a different aspect and then using it from his point of view, which is totally specific to him, and and getting kind of wrapped up in this idea that he has that he's like him. Yeah.


And I think for me, sometimes I get caught between, like, movements I support.


And yet this real weird tolerance for bad stuff simply because, again, I just everyone I love growing up, if they spoke the way they did in the late 70s, early 80s, you would hate them.


But I have all these memories of one that was totally fine and I see the joy and playfulness behind it. I'll be sometimes talking with someone like maybe fifteen years younger than me that maybe didn't experience that in the 90s growing up. And I can feel there's this dissonance about how I'm comfortable with flawed shit in bad ass of you.


And they don't seem to be. And I that's my only explanation for it.


Yeah, no, definitely. I feel like we are in between the two, so I see that it's not mean spirited and where it's coming from. So it's kind of like this old world playboy and the kind of clashing with the modern relationship. There's sort of an identity crisis I experience and most women like when you have kids, you kind of lose yourself for a second and you have to kind of reconnect with who you are. Yeah. So he comes in right when she's feeling a little lost, she's more vulnerable and gets carried away on his infatuation.


Wouldn't have if she had been more solid. And then hopefully by the end she kind of reconnects with who she is now.


You specialized in really being able to capture the voice of young women repeatedly. And I wonder, as you age like Bill Murray is a perfect example.


If I line up all my comedy heroes of the. 80S, the shelf life is not great. He seems to be the single one that I loved in the 80s that is still completely relevant and I'm still shocked by what he says or interested. So he's done the impossible. But I I wonder, as a director, has it gotten harder or is it just the same or do you even think about that working on this?


I am writing having little kids and at this moment my life and I was like, so boring. Who wants to hear about it? Middle age, life. And like, I'm not in a crisis point when I talk about, like, if you're in a good moment in your life, like, what do you have to make stuff about if you're struggling or in a crisis? It's like boring. But then at the same time, I want to make it that's personal, that I can try to connect with what I see around me and what I'm experiencing.


So it's super uncool. I'm just going to write about what I'm struggling with right now. And I hope that other people and other women can relate to that because I haven't seen that so much in a film. I think it's fun to think about men and women in relationships in this context of this man, of that generation or daughter that's not full of anger. There's love there, too. And Rashida and I talked about that, too, because her father is from another generation and says things that she has to say, like dad, that you can't you can't say that, you know.


Yeah. Yeah.


So I just thought it was a unique moment where this generation there's such a big divide and with so much understandable anger between women and men of that generation to do something with playfulness and love at the differences.


I think so much of life is like being able to hear people in a way that it gets through.


And sometimes the relationship is so pertinent to whether or not you can even hear somebody like I don't know what your experience is, but I've been with my wife for 13 years and it's like I'm ashamed to admit sometimes I have to stare at her and go, she's a human who has needs to she's not the co-pilot of this fucking plane crash.


We're on with these two kids, like, you know, it's so easy to see them. Is this like other person facilitating these people's needs?


And I got a real look at her and go like she is a girl who wants things. And, you know, like I'm a little boy who still wants this and that.


And and my mom can say things to me that say my wife has said to me, but coming from my mom, I'm like, oh, I can hear that for some reason.


Yeah, that's a good plan.


You want me to go out on the press tour and I can talk about the movie? She's like, I got a pretty good handle on it. Yeah. Yeah. What's going on with the release?


I feel anyone who's in your situation, I just feel dreadful for having known the commitment of filming a movie. It's six years in your life.


Thanks. I feel so lucky that we finished our sound mix like a week before the world shut down. So I feel for people that we're filming and got their projects interrupted, like how hard that would be. We finished and then we could all go home and hunker down until we finished our work and we got to shoot in New York City, which feels like a period movie now, like we didn't realize how lucky you are just to be able to be walking around New York and these restaurants.


So I hope when people see it, I hope it's fun to get to see, like being in a restaurant with Bill Murray and and these kind of normal things that we can't have right now. Yeah. So at twenty four, the studio is putting it out who I love, what they do and they're going to try to do a theatrical release. But I'm like, really, does that possible. Yeah, but I'm really happy that we partner with Apple because then we'll get to sit at home and I feel like I won't get I hope not lost in the shuffle and I hope people are ready for something new to watch because we're all home watching then.




And ego wise, is that fine with you if it turns out everyone just watch at home? Yeah.


I feel like this isn't a big epic movie. It's sort of cozy family movie. So I'm happy people sit at home on the couch. I always love seeing things in the theater because there is that experience of the community, of people feeling it together. You really feel that when you're in a room together and I don't want that to be lost, especially in this situation. I feel glad that the people will get to see it. I feel OK about that.


Now, if we look at over the last twelve years of how the film business has changed, I would argue that you're in the bull's eye of people that got hit hard is there's no real appetite to make a 40 and under movie that's a drama or a dramedy or relationship driven. It seems like you would fall into the category that has gotten hurt the most. Was it more challenging than it's ever been to put the movie together?


A couple of years ago, I was told my friend, like Tamara Jenkins is another independent film director. And there was this sort of like our whole world kind of fell apart for a moment. Yeah, you can only have superhero movies or little tiny movies. And there was a little bit of a moment of worry. And then because of streaming, we now we have these companies that will finance movies. So I feel like now there's another kind of second life for movies that are not huge formula movies.


Yeah. And so you're optimistic?


Yeah, I feel like with Netflix and Apple, these companies were able to get our kind of movies financed. Yeah. I just hope that they'll still get to be seen in the theater. But yeah, I feel like it was almost extinct and then they kind of brought life back to movies that weren't a little atypical or something.


Well that's good to hear because I was going to say it almost seems like. You would have been forced to and I want you to and I can already tell you're not going to do it, but how about doing a 10 part something? Would you consider that?


Actually, I'm adopting this Edith Wharton book that I love my favorite book of her husband, The Country, which was written for a magazine serial in five parts.


Oh, adapting that to be five part. Oh, good. Yeah, yeah. It's like a period and Gilded Age 19 hundreds in New York and Europe. And yeah, I'm in the mood to have beautiful costumes and do something in that era. So I'm excited to try that.


I'm obsessed with biographies of that era, particularly oil tycoons in the patrician class. Yes, I've read like the Rockefeller one a bunch of times.


Vanderbilt and more folks are going to how they party and stuff.


So I'm fascinated by that, too, I think. Yeah, there was like opulence for the almost the first time or blue collar people were becoming opulent, not like a chosen aristocracy. It was like people were making themselves into aristocrats, which I think. Yeah. Very fascinating. Infertile.


Yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's it's kind of a satire of society and the new money in the old guard and all of that. So it's really fun to read about. Yeah.


People thinking so and so's crude, you know, like, like Cornelius Vanderbilt. He's crude and he fights men in the street and he doesn't deserve to be here. And I just that I love that kind of class struggle thing always. Yeah.


It's fun. OK, so you will do a series we can watch which you've committed to it and I'm glad.


Oh no, I wouldn't know how to do it. An ongoing one, but I like that this has a beginning and I like watching ongoing series whether or not. But maybe someday.


Well Sophia, I'm just such a huge fan of yours and I cannot wait to see this. And when will we be able to see it?


It's coming out October. Twenty third on Apple, I think a few weeks before it theatrically possibly surprised you. I'm not sure what that will entail, but yeah. So soon.


Do you want to ask about not ruining your children? I do. Thank you.


Thank you. I almost left without any selfishness, so I have two daughters and I don't know what it's like to grow up with famous parents mind. We're not trying to be very mindful of it. I'm doing the best I can. But occasionally I interview people that had very famous parents and I love asking them like, you know, what's the tip I should avoid?


Oh, that's a good question. So I don't have a good answer for you. That's fair. That's fair.


I want to avoid I would love it if you said don't beat them.


That's a good tip. I wonder how well you could answer that.


Like your dad's incredibly recognizable to me, but I'm very into movies like when you would move through the world, did people know, oh, that's Francis Ford Coppola or was there some anonymity?


My parents moved to the country in Napa Valley when I was a little kid because my dad wanted to get out of L.A. and the parents don't want to raise us in that. So I grew up in a small town where I knew everyone and we were a little bit different. But I graduated with the kids I went to first grade with and I still see them. And so I felt like my mom always made me travel all over. We always came back to Napa and had a home base and had some normality and she was very protective.


Yeah. So I definitely was suspicious of people because I would see people gravitate towards my dad. I knew they wanted something. So I think you grew up. I think it makes you suspicious, but hopefully. Yeah, in a good way. Yeah.


Well, it's a testament to what that place meant to you that you're currently sitting there talking to me.


I mean, really says it all. I think my next move is to move out of L.A. It sounds like.


I think that now I'll be fine.


All right. So fun to talk to you. Thank you. It was really fun talking to you guys. And thanks for having me on your show. Yeah, thank you.


Good luck with the movie. Cannot wait to see it. Thank you. Bye bye.


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And now my favorite part of the show, the fact check with my soul mate, Monica Padman, welcome, welcome, welcome to the fact that you finally did a character.


You do it one more time. That was really good.


No. OK, I'll go again. I want to show you what you can. Oh, God, you're right. Yeah, well, that's that's me. I want more, more, more.


I know we hit this in the intro, but we should hit it again. OK, we're really grateful to all the armed charities and people who have reached out big time and support.


Yeah, the exact opposite of what I was scared of.


But do you want to talk about what you feel a little bit still now scared.


So that's what we do.


Oh, man, I don't, because I, I would hate for anyone to interpret that. I'm not super grateful for the love. I'm so grateful for the love. But it is ironic that even in a podcast that we declare we want to celebrate failures and learn from them.


I still had this feeling yesterday that I was getting because a lot of people in my life reached out to me, which was so lovely. I mean, my cousin Kelly, which I haven't heard from in a while, a bunch of people just incredibly nice.


And I did have this kind of weird, just childhood emotional reaction, which was like I'm being recognized for having failed and for having been weak.


And I think it just circles back to, like, not feeling worthy of love and kindness. Maybe, I don't know.


But yeah, it was it wasn't just like super easy for me to navigate. Also, as we were just talking about, we had so much control over everything for a minute.


Like we we got to choose how we recorded it and how we wanted to address it. And we like got to control what day it came out and what it was called.


Yep. And that was the last bit of control we had. Then there was like news stories above about which again, we it's not that we didn't know that was going to happen. It just went from feeling like we had control buttoned up a little bit.


Yeah. The buttons came off. Right. And then we just didn't have control.


So my obsession with control, plus my feeling like I was weak and people knew and so loved and so grateful. Yeah.


Way more like it was up high. It was 60 percent gratitude and forty percent feeling like I didn't deserve it.


Yeah, yeah, yeah.


But what people are recognizing is not. That you relapsed, you know, they're not praising you for that, they're not praising you for the thing you did wrong. They're not praising you for the weakness or praising you for the strength that you talked about it so publicly and honestly. And yeah, and I know that intellectually.


I know. And it's just hard to feel.


Yes. You know, you and I, I say to you all the time, it's like.


Everyone on the comments, like Monica is so beautiful, and I tell you, and you have a reason why it's not real every time, so it's like there's this emotional disconnect from our intel that for me, there's an emotional disconnect from my inner intellect a lot.


Well, I hope they come together so that you can feel it. Yeah, you too. And, um. What else was I going to say, it's Bill Gates sent us some diko. That's a yes. You just revealed this to me. Yeah, 15 minutes ago. We're reeling from it. He sent The Da Vinci book. He talked about three copies for Wabi WAB. That's right. Hanukka and we.


And then is that eight or 12 pack?


It's the tall.


They look like bottles, but they're aluminum. They're thrilling Diet Coke box and another one for Rob myself.


And it's rare doesn't it. Does that's exclusive. I can't kind of open it.


I'm scared to open it, but if there's a billion dollars in these boxes where the bottles are made of gold.


Oh so lovely. Oh man. Yeah. Bridget, Bridget, Bridget, thank you so much. Thank you for making that happen. And then thank you for the card and the feedback.


So, Bridget, you're our hero. Oh, and in the end of the night, he's got to be strong and he's got to be honest, a hero.


Oh, there we go. Yeah, from Footloose.


Sorry, you know, I don't like football. I know you. Really? Yeah. You didn't.


I have an aversion. Why was it again, I just really don't like that song. The main song. OK, I've actually never seen the movie, to be fair. It's fantastic.


I'm never seeing it because I don't. You hate the night.


I got to stop it. I enjoy it. Pick up your Sunday shoes.


Oh, I just realized there's something about the tune I despise.


But you love Loggins. I wouldn't say I love. Oh, man. I shouldn't say I don't love.


Oh, so many great Loggins tunes.


OK, let's not go through. All right. Do you feel like you have a new leverage over me, like you're really bossing me around today and you deserve to feel.


I always buy your ass. True. That's true. OK, Sofia, Sofia Coppola. She's such a brilliant filmmaker. She really is. If people haven't, I mean, I'm sure they have because she has so many noteworthy films. But if you haven't seen them, please watch. They all have a very specific. Well, I'm going to I'm going to suggest the fingerprint is so recently. Bob wrote some songs for us, for some new shows that are coming out.


And we were listening to all these different songs. There was probably eight in total.


At the end of it, we both were like, oh, you know, the unifying thing of all Bob Novak's music is that motherfucker just has so much soul, he can't not have soul.




And I would argue that Sophia's thing is like every frame has emotion in it. It's just a very emotional experience.


There's something about the way it's led and shot into man beautiful with everything she makes is really gorgeous. I'm not surprised that she was into photography in fashion.


Yes. Yeah, it's all very stylized, but but not in a you know, sometimes things are stylized and it's it gets in the way of everyday it feels forced or something.


Yeah. This does or that it was prioritized over the stories and there's none of that imbalance. It's just all there and their story. Yeah.


Which makes me so excited to see her new movie because I wonder how that's going to get incorporated with this like daddy daughter buddy film also like her and Bill Murray just have some undeniable chemistry.


Sure. Yeah. So fun. That's probably my. Would you say is your favorite Bill Murray movie Lost in translation.


Yeah. Uh. What are other ones? Well, Rushmore for me is oh, he is so brilliant. Oh, that's such a good movie. It is. That's probably my fave.


Makes sense. She brought him up that they're brose.


Oh, he's also in Tenenbaums, right? Yeah, he's also in Zizzo. He's in all the. Yes. And it's all ding, ding, ding connected because Sophia's cousin is Jason Schwartzman. Schwartzman. They work together a lot. And Jason Schwartzman is in all the W movies.


I want her to make a movie with my hero, Nick Cage, who's also her cousin.


Oh, yeah. Yeah. Because I want to have the Travolta resurgence of Pulp Fiction that be great.


Ding, ding, ding, ding location. OK, because you talked about Pulp Fiction being the briefcase seen similar to the whispering scene and lost in translation. So then I looked up. What are some other unanswered questions in movies?


Oh, OK. I don't know a lot of these, but you might. So one is Blade Runner. Don't know well enough.


OK, it's saying is Daccord dickered a replicant. Oh ok. OK. I don't know enough know Inception. Oh. Is Leo still dreaming. Yes, yes, yes.


Yes. Well that was all it came down to whether that top was going to drop or not. Actually I could watch that.


Me too. Let's do I can watch anything with Leo. Oh my God. Oh, on a sex machine, all I can think about is his dinosaur bones.


Now I know his T-Rex skull. Yeah. I really want to see it. I want really to make a move.


And I want you to be bent over the T-Rex skull while he makes love. You imagine that more weight is it?


I don't think people are going to like that. Oh, why? Because of the paleontology of it all or just being bent over backwards to the T-Rex. Oh, OK. I didn't know if I had crossed the line with you about you and Leo.


No, he's in my age range under sixty five. He's a little young for you, but yes. Yeah. And he's going to move in and bring his T rex and we're going to find a way to incorporate that into my new house.


But just imagine that the lovemaking somehow takes place on the T rex and you're like holding on to the incisors of the T rex for first stability.


I'm going to be nervous.


Can you imagine anything, though, more primal than holding the T rex incisors while coyness is happening? That's a lie.


I think I would make love to him if I could hold onto the incisors.


Maybe you guys will do it in the mouth of the T rex. Look, maybe this is the mal. I bet it's big enough to put like a twin bed on the tongue or the tongue would be, oh, my, you guys could be in like a T rex cave.


Oh, my God. I'm not saying no.


I don't believe he's listening because if he hasn't thought of this idea, he's missing out on a great opportunity. But dibs, Leo, it only gets to be with me. That's my house with your T rex.


Talk about a novel experience. Oh, yeah. It's a double whammy. Very few people have been able to make love to Leo. Plus, I would argue no one's made love in the mouth of a T. Rex. Yeah.


God, we're so good at coming up with this. Should we write for soft core pornography production?


Could potentially first thing will be the butt snake. But snake. Yeah. Bottom snake. Oh yeah. OK, number four, the thing. Never seen it. Yeah. Me neither. The big question is who is the thing. I wish I could weigh in Demolition Man, but the big question is how do the three seashells work.


That means nothing to me. OK, right. So Bill Murray, Scarlett Johansson lost in translation and then, OK, this one is the only one I sort of knew The Breakfast Club. What's the punch line to John Bender's joke? Oh, his joke is a naked blonde walks into a bar with a poodle under one arm and a two foot salami under the other. He lays the poodle on the table. Bartender says, I suppose you won't be needing a drink, naked lady says, and then we don't know the answer.


Oh, but when I did research, it said he was just making that up. So there is no answer. Oh, OK. That's unsatisfying. Agreed.


I wonder if Tarantino knows what's in the briefcase.


He must write. It was glowing. It was breathtaking.


Is that what I think it is? It felt something like biblical, like Raiders of the Lost Ark when they open the Ark of the Covenant in the Commandments are inside blasts everybody.


I'd love to know. Yeah, me too. I hate not knowing.


It's also nice to have some things unanswered.


No, OK, I you know, it reminds me of like being young and having people telling secrets to me, not knowing. Think that's what triggers like feeling on the outside. OK, yeah.


I like having some mystery. All right. Left. Good for you.


It's why I haven't finished the Bukowski books or season five of Friday Night Lights like anything could have. Season five, and I don't know, stuff does happen, I won't tell Coach T he could levitate during a game or something and we find out, you know. Oh my God, this would happen.


Oh, my God. You just guessed it.


OK, so she said that once they landed a helicopter in the parking lot of Disneyland.


Oh, my God, that's so illegal. So I looked into it.


A couple of things are interesting. One is Disney World and Disneyland are no fly zones.


Really? Yes. Huh.


I wonder how they got that distinction. It says it doesn't apply to all planes.


You'll see commercial airliners flying over, but they're way above three thousand feet. You may even see skywriting from advertisers who have found a loophole. They'll get a plane that writes messages in the sky that you can still see while you're at Disney. But they're not directly above Disney. They're far away enough to be obeying the law, but close enough that you can read what they're writing in the sky.


OK, so ding, ding, ding. My childhood, I grew up just a mile and a half from the General Motors proving grounds, which is this miles and miles, square miles of development tracks and all this stuff. So they have a no fly zone above them so that spy photographers can't rip off their bank.


And what would regularly happen is I also lived in an area where hot air balloons were common. Yeah. In fact, one landed in my yard.


Well, actually two lots over, but there was no house there yet and they were trying to bring it down. And as like a 13 year old, I was involved and I got to hang off the side of the oh my house.


It just kind of glided across the ground like two or three feet off the ground until it sat down as one of the most.


That's cool, wonderful physical experiences in my life. But anyway, those hot air balloons accidentally land at the proving grounds and then the security cameras.


Oh, wow. Yeah, corporate espionage. Maybe you should write some of that, too. Oh, we're not writing. Ah, pornography. OK, so Disney has actually shown interest in getting exemption from the law recently because drones in twenty nineteen Universal Studios created a massively impressive spectacle using drones.


Oh I think I've seen video of this. It's in the Harry Potter world. They created a luminous Patronus spell.


Oh that's awesome.


I'm Feenan for a trip down to Disney World and I guess now Universal to see the drone display because Eric is obsessed with the Avatar ride at Disney World, says the greatest experience of his life is in a world.


It's a world. That world. It's in Orlando, man. You know, I used to go every year with my family for spring break. We go for a week. That was where my family vacation destination was. But that's the only place we went. Yeah. And good for my parents. I'm so I'm so impressed every day at spring, during spring break.


And they would cart me around in a stroller even when I was way too big for that son.


So on for you.


Yeah. Yeah. In your sedan chair. I'm so in retrospect, impressed and grateful. Urmila, a show thank you. Killed it.


But now I haven't been in many years.


We went when Harry Potter first open, OK, and then I haven't been since and so I have not seen Avatar.


Mhm. Well we're going to have to do a live show in Orlando and then spend two days going to all the sharks.


Oh my God. That be amazing. Oh wow. Shall we interview Walt Disney's corpse. His ghost. Is it an urban legend that he's cryogenically frozen or is that true?


I don't think it's true and I don't think it's a legend. I don't think it's a no.


It's definitely an urban myth. Let me let me just never really let me go.


Boogie is Walt Disney really cryogenically frozen? Questionmark. Rumor has it that the animation legend was frozen after her death so he could be reanimated in the future of the rumors that he's suspended in a frozen state and buried deep beneath the Pirates of the Caribbean while in Anaheim, awaiting the day when medical technology would be advanced enough to reanimate the animator.


I think they're overusing the word reanimate. Just bring back to life, right?


Well, but they're doing a play on words.


Disney's daughter has denied that he's cryogenically frozen. I guess he's not. I'm going to guess he's not, too.


But that's fun to believe. But, you know, Lenin is Vladimir Lenin.


I thought you meant Lenin pogrom. Our No. She's still with us. Yeah. I think she's another sweet person I talked to yesterday.


But yeah, you can go and view him in the Kremlin or surrounding area. Really. I want to say Stalin is also. But I'm not I'm not positive about that one, but I am positive about Lenin. All right.


OK, but back to Disney. Oh, sorry. So they used to allow it, but then there were two crashes, drone crashes. Oh, I'm so sorry. They used to allow helicopter, OK. And what they would do is they pick people up from LAX by helicopter and bring them to Disney and then take them back. And there were two crashes and everyone died. OK, so they they stopped allowing that. Yeah.


What's their tagline the most. Something on the some magical place on earth.


The most magical place on earth. It's the most magical place on earth. OK, let me to the happiest place on earth.


The happiest place on earth. And the Magic Kingdom is the most magical place on earth. Right.


So a helicopter crash crashes very incongruous with the happiest place on Earth.


Well, yeah. Yeah. Does Mariah Carey sing a song about Happy? I don't know. I know Pharrell does. That can motivate them. He does, but he's not a ding, ding, ding right now. OK, I was just going to she talked about cribs because they. Oh, that's the most spectacular episode of Cribs. Mariah Carey. Yeah. Yes. She got the bath at one point. Yeah.


She got in the bath gold doors.


She has a walk in closet dedicated to laundry, a bathroom so serene that Carrie has to change outfits before using it. A kitchen with the chaise lounge and a mermaid room.


Mm hmm.


I got a bad hunch that even after you create this perfect environment, you're like, hmm, I feel the same.


Are you going to feel that way when you have the miniature Rocky Mountain and the floats?


I'll tell you, I don't think so. What's that called? A lazy river. Lazy river with a perfect model of the Rocky Mountains alongside of it? I don't think so, because what'll happen is it'll be way more about other people experiencing it, whereas her like bath and all that.


So that's just for her to experience. And it's lonely. But my thing is going to be like people like, what the fuck?


Oh shit. There's a basin.


Oh, there's that's it's a community experience of any of them. What are these things you care so much about the. Well, I can't think of one place right now.


OK, so I looked up the top crib's episodes. OK, so obviously Mariah, Richard Branson, he showed people around his private island and it's the most expensive property ever.


Feet I want to say real. Was there really Danegeld thing.


She was she if I saw it and I remember that she just happens to be vacationing it says, complete with Rockpool Jukebox, dance floor, coral shower, rooftop bathtub and Mariah Carey just sort of lounging around ambient light. Yep.


Well, Tina, OK, so. Yeah, so that's the most expensive property ever on Crib's.


Our friend Michael Rosenbaum had a brilliant one. He did. Yep.


He like hid people in the bedroom.


So like when he was showing the bedroom, people got out of the bed all of a sudden did a bunch of really funny ones. Yeah. Oh, that's fun.


OK, Gene Simmons, Gene Simmons had a kiss room where he collects memorabilia from his banned books, mass figurines, magazines, slippers, toilet seats and women's underwear emblazoned with his face and the phrase lick it up. Oh, wow. Right fifty said our old friend.


Fifty said, I want to see that one because I didn't know until we interviewed him that he owned Tyson's old place.


Yeah, he called his house an East Coast Playboy mansion. Nineteen bedrooms. This must have been the one. Yeah. At Tyson's house. Oh yep. Nineteen bedrooms and nineteen bathrooms. Connecticut home was a tasteful oasis of chandeliers and high sheen marble. He bought the chairs from Mike Tyson. He filled his fridge with vitamin water very on brand obviously and synergistic because he was a spokesperson, right?


Yeah. He has a framed picture of himself standing next to Jessica Alba. Great. And he has a strip club room, Chris.


Angel, I would love to go to prison. I saw that one, it was in Vegas and he had like a lap pool inside the room giant train set that snaked around a miniature fairground.


That's kind of what you want. It is. Should I start hanging out with Criss Angel?


Yes. So he had a drawer full of sweats, teddy bears dangling from lamps and constantly observed CCTV linked his place of business. Never trust magicians. Yeah, it's a good rule to follow.


I trust him. I love him. OK, last one jar rule is perhaps the greatest crib's of all in which the rapper showed the crew around a house that wasn't actually his and the owners sued him for filming there without permission. The whole episode is a prequel to the fire festival. He was.


Oh, that's great.


The Hulk Hogan one was really good, too. Oh yeah. I don't remember that. I think it's what led up to him having a reality show.


Also, if you famously remember, the Osborn's was a crib's episode that turned into their show.


Wow. I think I'm right about that. Cool. Yeah.


Kill, kill, kill. I loved at that age, especially like getting a peek behind the curtain meets house and see what their lives were like.


You combine two of my love. So I as a kid, I loved the lifestyles of the rich and famous. Oh, is that the same thing? Well, in essence, because you're seeing rich and famous people and their lifestyle.


Yeah, but it was like people like Ed McMahon. I was a kid and I didn't have a great interest in man. But Ed McMahon had built an exact replica of the enormous house in the backyard for his daughter.


So it sounds like you've gotten your idea from a few other places like Chris.


There's no original ideas, to be honest.


At best, you're just putting together two peoples other's ideas and creating your own ideas. You're right.


Yeah, well, that's all for Sophea love. You can't wait to watch your movie. Oh, I can't wait. By.