It was such a successful defense mechanism for me in the worst way, and it set me back so much, so I, I try to parent with this idea that. What comes up in you is there, and if you try to push things down, they'll stay. They're there to teach you something or there to tell you something. So just listen to what it is and then it'll move through.
I wanted to start off by asking, considering what's been going on in the world for the past few months, what's the latest adventure you went on with Moses and Apple and what have you been doing to make that time special and meaningful? Well, as you can imagine, it's been certainly surreal for us and I think for the teenagers in the world, it's been. It's been very hard for them. I think they were especially my son is 14, my daughter's 16, and they were just sort of entering this phase of autonomy and agency and self exploration.
And I think at that age, you get so much of that from the world being reflected back to you, even if it's just, oh, I didn't know that I felt this way about this kind of food or person or, you know, they hear something and I don't know. And kids here in church or I don't know. It's like you go out and you or you have an interaction with another kid that's painful. And these are all such important stepping stones for growth.
And I feel bad for them. You know, I was they started school today and they're in front of the computer all day. And I just thought, this is. This might not be sustainable for us all as parents of kids, just this it's very solitary in a way that is not a meditation, you know, it's like a bit punitive. So when when we all first went into lockdown, there was very little we could do. And I was also impressed by how quickly they were able to.
You know, kids are so resilient and they did they were able to have a lot of agility around. They're kind of mental strength and the way they were like, OK, well, this was hard and now this is life, so we're just going to carry on. And I think so some of our adventures were really around cooking together as a family and trying new crazy stuff and and pushing ourselves at the dinner table to have. More unusual conversations, longer conversations, and we've just become very centered around the home now where we have a home on the East Coast, which is about a 10 minute walk to the ocean.
And so we've been able I think we feel that nature has given us a lot more scope in our lives. Like my last little adventure that I went on with Moses yesterday. The day before yesterday, I took him to the beach and we swam and he surfed and I just watched him surf. And it was very simple. And it wasn't like some crazy adventure. But it's especially within the context of being confined. Everything kind of feels like an adventure these days.
Yeah. What a beautiful sunset do you feel about what do you think's been the biggest fear at this time? Because I've heard from a lot and I'm not a parent, but I know a lot of my listeners are. And I also know that a lot of friends who are parents have talked to me about their children's fears right now. What's been their fear and what do you think's been like the most useful thing that you've been able to do to support them through that?
Because, you know, no matter where kids are or what they're going through, I think there's a lot of similarities in what the age group specifically, it's probably the hardest age groups to be going through this.
I think they've felt the ability to or the opposite of fear. And because when you're home with your parents, there's that inherent feeling of safety. I think that there has been. An incredible relief for them and not having flomo, you know, there's nothing there's they there's nothing going on there, so there's no social anxiety. And I think, you know, if I've observed them having any fear, you know, they were I don't know if it was if I would characterize this fear as much as they're really trying to process what our generation is all going through in terms of the social injustice that's defined who we are as a culture and that we've all been participants of wittingly or unwittingly.
And it's a very big thing for them to unpack. I think they think of things so differently. They've been socialized so differently. People speak of the devil.
And so I think the fear has there's been, I wouldn't say a concrete thing that they can point to and say, I'm afraid of this, but I think that they're feeling this tremendous seismic shift happen. And I think that energetically it causes some feelings of like, what is this mean and where where are we going and why have you guys so badly for us? And, you know, sort of like they're having these bigger existential fears as opposed to, you know what I mean?
Yeah, absolutely. I've heard you say before that you've said to your kids, don't resist it. The more the more you resist it, the more it persists. And and I wonder what you think the opposite of resistance is or why you feel that. I feel like there's such a great resistance in humans in general towards pain and challenges and struggle. What about that statement feels so true to you and and and what you try to do instead of resist that that feels right to you?
I don't think that we were brought up with a language for discomfort, pain, embarrassment. We were taught to sublimate those feelings, we were taught that boys don't cry, we were taught that. Hold your head up high. Don't be in a bad mood. I want to see you smile at the dinner table. And we it's so deep in us. This. Tendency. To override our true feelings with this dissonance of no, I'm fine, and and we've also been taught that bad feelings.
Feel terrible as opposed to. Having an understanding, OK, this feels bad and it's temporary, like I'm a human being, so there are going to be days that I experience a lot of pain or sadness or confusion. And. We weren't given the language to just let it pass through, you know, like that great Rumi poem about the guest house that you just each human being is a guest house and different feelings are going to knock on the door every day.
Just let them in and don't judge them and don't criticize them. Just let them do what they're there to do and they're going to move out. And I noticed in myself when I resisted pain or most importantly for me, when I resisted vulnerability, which felt so painful to me to be vulnerable. And it's still something that I work on. I still really struggle with true vulnerability because it was such a successful defense mechanism for me and the worst way, and it set me back so much.
So I, I try to parent with this idea that. What comes up in you is there, and if you try to push things down, they'll stay. They're there to teach you something. They're there to tell you something. So just listen to what it is and then it'll move through. But, you know, they're teenagers, so right now they basically just think of an idiot. Yeah, that's that's a beautiful idea. But the reason I'm asking these questions is to remind myself that my kids would never listen to me.
And it's a good thing to remember that, that my kids would never think I'm cool or relevant or interesting or useful. But that that's a really it's a really beautiful dance. And I'm really glad you said that that Rumi poem as well, because I think. You know, it's it was what you said is so powerful that we just keep these emotions and feelings trapped within ourselves or we don't let them in.
And then after our permission, you know, we don't give ourselves permission to.
Feel those ugly things, like Rumi says, it could be jealousy, envy, like these things that we're taught to think no good people don't feel this way.
And I think that it cultivates more pain by not just letting these feelings come through us. Yeah, absolutely.
Absolutely. When we were talking about in our interview together on when your incredible podcast, you mentioned how, you know, obviously you've had so much success that you've earned at a younger age and then continue to redefine, reinvent and continue to create incredible success in your life by us saying that, you know, there was a time where you got to a point where where you just felt like things had to change or things that the shift what what is it like?
And the reason why I ask this is I feel like today it's happening more and more, whether it's with Ticktock or Instagram or what does it feel like to be extremely successful at a young age. And and when I say extremely successful, literally top of the world, top of your game at such a young age for you, winning the most prestigious award that exists in the world at such a young age, like what does that actually feel like? Like what goes through your mind and what did it feel like then?
And how does it feel now in hindsight and and how can other people learn from it? How can other young people who are experiencing almost astronomical success at a young age in different ways?
Well, at the time it felt very overwhelming. I really did not have a good sense of who I was yet, you know, when I won the Oscar.
I assume you're referring to that award? Yeah, my high school gymnastics award. No, that's not my reason. So I feel that I showed, you know, of course, the state of the Oscars. Of course, I didn't I didn't think I even need to say what it was. But everyone knows it's iconic. It's iconic.
It was incredibly overwhelming and. And, you know, I was going through all kinds of stuff emotionally at the time, my father was dealing with cancer. My grandfather was dying of cancer. Both men I was incredibly close to and a few things.
I just as I said, I didn't know myself.
So I didn't I hadn't built the internal infrastructure that I have now to deal with so much projection and energy, which is it is a tool or a series of tools that I had to figure out and build for myself.
When you're so visible in the public eye and so many people have so many opinions about you, you know, there's sort of a system that I figured out for myself. I remember when after I won, I, I crashed, I was staying with my parents in Santa Monica, California, and I got into bed and I basically was in bed for three weeks. I was incredibly depressed and I had no energy. And, you know, the psychologist that I saw at the time was saying, you know, this is normal because you have this big kind of apex and now you're just experiencing the counterbalance and everything.
But I think what I was really it was an adrenaline, I think.
I mean, although partially, of course, it was adrenaline.
I think part of it was the realization that I had been working so hard towards something to validate my existence and to prove my worthiness to myself and to, you know, as you say in your book, to fulfill the perceptions that other people might have of me.
And then if you reach the top and you're still you and you still have all this undealt with stuff in your life that you haven't looked at, and you. Are just a person and kind of winning that accolade doesn't fix anything. You're like, oh, OK.
So, you know, it's like I said one time, really, when you read the story of the Golden Calf in the Bible and it's like you have this.
False idol, you know, and it turns out to be a false idol, but you don't know it until you know it.
And so it was a great thing to happen because the best thing about winning an Oscar was realizing that it didn't mean anything. And that I had to set myself on a course where I, first of all, started to unpack why it was that I felt the need to drive myself so hard and why I. You know what what was the impetus behind having to achieve? And I think I'm I am a high achiever, I think I I love to work and I love to explore and discover and push boundaries and do stuff.
But there was a part of that that was fueled by something that was unhealthy and unhealed and if and that it opened up the path to healing for me.
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Thank you for being. Thank you for sharing that. It's so, it's so useful for a hearing. You say that and so vulnerably and deeply as well. So tell me about where. Have you then, do you think now you're in a space where and I really believe this is a really important concept and I really want to hear what you have to say about it. Do you feel you found a way where you can continue to be ambitious and driven, but from a more healed and healthy place?
As you said before, it was from an unhealed and unhealthy place. Is there a way of being healthy and healed, ambitious?
It's so funny you asked this because I was literally having this conversation with my husband a few days ago and I.
I don't know the answer, because, you know, what I sort of got to was it's so clear to me.
That ambition. Like true die hard type ambition. I don't think comes from. A place where, you know, like like and you talk about in your book and in those moments of like true peace and soulfulness and unity and oneness, it doesn't come from that. It definitely comes from. The idea that you have to prove something and so that is a that's an injury. I do think there are exceptions and there are some people who. Have something within them that's so.
There's such a channel for something, and they're so like Mozart or the Dalai Lama or, you know, like or, you know, some incredible painter or DaVinci is like, clearly this person is a channel. And this was coming through. And I think that's also. A facet of it, but I think in I think in my experience. There's this amazing connection with something greater and then there's injury and that combination leads to this very driven person.
Yeah, wow. I was not I was not expecting that answer. And that's it's opened up so many beautiful avenues. And and that's amazing that you just the fact that you were having that conversation with your husband. You know that. Shows that there's such a beautiful reflection around it and how important it is to you, which is which is wonderful because it's almost like it's so easy to not have to think about it, but to have it in conversation and trying to figure it out.
I think that's where most of us truly are. Like, I think we're always and I think if we would, I have this hunch that if we were to sit down with DaVinci or Mozart or Picasso or any of these incredible individuals, I think we'd hear the same. I think that I think that whether it was their humility or their reality, I think they'd tell us very similar things because it's almost like that's that's where the magic happens of trying to figure it out.
And I guess what was the point where what was that point that let you. Reconfigure or major reconfigure and let you reconfigure, what was that journey like when you specifically pointed out 40 years old, but was it before then? Was it earlier? What was that what you were just like? OK, now I understand there's another purpose for me here. I think it was.
It happened in steps so. When I was twenty seven and I had won the Oscar the previous year and I was, you know. Super successful. My dad sat me down. He was like the love of my life. He sat me down and he's like, I need you to know something. He's like, you're getting really weird and you're kind of an asshole. Like you're behaving weirdly.
I don't like what I'm seeing. I don't like where this is going. You're buying into this whole thing. And it was a really brutal conversation for me in the moment, because, you know, fame is such a weird warping thing and it happens. In a very insidious and incremental way, and you just think you're you, but the reality is people keep removing all the obstacles and the obstacles in life are what make you keep you close to yourself.
Wow. So he was right.
And I was I had really hurt feelings. And then I was like, oh, no, he's right. Like, I see what he's saying. And through that conversation, a seed was planted around, like, why why did this happen to me? Why am I this person in the world? Why am I here? What am I actually meant to do? And if I'm not, you know, if I'm not supposed to integrate with this fame and this sort of projection, like, what is it?
Why did it happen to me? And why am I like, what is the purpose of all this?
So that was kind of the first piece. And then then he got sick and then or then he got started to get really unwell. And then I found yoga. And then I started on this path of trying to figure out what the point was.
And and then he died when I was 30. And then I really got it was like I just got swallowed by grief for a long time. And it sort of separated me from that journey. And then because I was I just felt like I was trying to cope and keep my head above water.
And then luckily, I also had my two incredible children in that decade, but towards the end of that decade. And it really sort of coincided with the realization that my marriage was over. I kind of was struck by this lightning bolt, I actually just wrote this piece about it for British Vogue about like looking back on consciously uncoupling. And I realize in the piece I wrote about it, it was just sort of like. I knew it was over and.
I couldn't undo I couldn't even hear the truth of that. And that. Started to really put me into because I had I was then forced with taking on so much pain and so much redefinition and, you know, it really put me on this path of trying to. Divorce in a different way and be show up for my children in a way that I had never thought imaginable, et cetera, et cetera. I started to realize as a part of that how much I had lived my life.
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Seventy genuinely incredibly. And the biggest one that really stuck with me was you said that you know everyone tries to make your life easier and removes all the obstacles, but your obstacles are the ones that keep you close as to who you are. That's so counterintuitive, but so true in the sense that we almost think like when our lives are removed of obstacles, that's when we are going in the right direction. That actually is so right that we have to keep checking in with ourselves when things aren't working out or when things are going wrong with.
There's all these challenges like you just explained it. Thirty years old, like losing, you know, losing a parent, losing a partner. You know, those kind of like just such formative experiences are the experiences that make us check in with ourselves. What was there at that time in effect? Going back to our interview, is that what gave you the courage to to put the last the last raft down and go on? I'm going to be brave enough now in my life.
To put on a new set of, you know, not only to become an entrepreneur, but to parent in this way to to move on with my life in this way, what was that they gave you that courage and bravery. It just felt like life or death, you know, it just didn't feel like a choice.
And I knew that. It was going to be hard. But I think each of us, when we we have as human beings this incredible gift that if we really tune in to ourselves and we really listen to the truth, which, by the way, can be incredibly painful and bring with it. The need for change that is going to be painful for other people and but there is no other way to live. And especially women, we. We've gotten this.
Memo somewhere along the way that we come last and that everybody else's needs need to come before ours and we can't really. Tune in and listen to our absolute truth, because sometimes it's in discord with our reality. And for me, and it's it's still a process and I still have so much to learn. And I feel like I have so much. Development left, but as I go through life and the harder things and the more wonderful, wonderful things like just having the courage.
To listen. Because sometimes the truth is not what you want to hear, and that's. Can be very, very scary and very revolutionary and. You know, it's funny, it also I was doing a movie around that time where. I was playing a country singer, and so I was doing a lot of voice lessons and this thing kept happening to me, I was living in London and I had this amazing. Voice coach named Kerry and. This thing kept happening to me that when I really started to sing and let it come from my heart, I burst into tears and I kept crying.
It was so embarrassing. And, you know, she kept saying, it's OK, you know, and in England, you're not allowed to cry. I don't know if you know that I was to raise.
So I was like, oh, my God, I'm so sorry. This is mortifying. And she was like, no, this is good. And let it come through. And I started to question, as I do, because I'm pathologically curious person, like, why am I crying when I'm singing? And it all came back to the same thing, you know, the repression of many, many truths that I had accumulated over my life and I just committed to unearthing them.
That's so amazing that you just said that because I was literally my next door that was in my head was I was going to ask you, which of your roses has the biggest impact to you off screen? I was literally just saying, is that feel like it was that the one that kind of because you were having to sing it because you crying, is that the one or are there others that that one had a huge impact on me?
Probably, you know, probably more than any other. It's so funny. I never thought about it until right now. But that. Connected me with myself in a way that, yeah, gosh, you're right, that's that's the one. Interesting. Yeah, very, yes, so interesting, I mean, it's. It's it's so beautiful when when work and life can be connected, when you can try and start to see how an experience in the workplace, whether you're singing, acting or whether you're working at an office, there's so many experiences where we always have that opportunity to turn inward.
They happen every day. I mean, now that I work in an office every day, well, I used to pre covid. Yeah. And you see how things happen when people interact at work. And there are triggers that happen within people, and we're not we haven't trained ourselves to say, OK, I wonder why that's triggering. We lash out or we feel this isn't fair or, you know, so. What I've seen across a lot of industry that I've worked in is that all of those difficult moments where you're asked to reach deeper and find more vulnerability are more forgiveness or to have the courage to be like, what am I seeing in this person that's driving me so crazy about myself?
We all have that opportunity every day, you know, to excavate all this stuff. It's just more work, but it actually ends up being so rewarding and you end up leaving at the end of the day instead of being exhausted. And like, I can't believe this frickin person said this at the coffee. You know, it's like, OK, well, why, why? Why did it make me feel this way? And because there's always a reason and there's always something underneath it that we can heal.
And why is such a great question. And and it shifts us from what we were talking about before and it shifts us from ego into understanding straight away. That's right. Like you said, like I designed to be triggered or lash out is were coming from ego or anger or almost like an attack in defense mode. And the mode that that question that you just said puts us into is understanding and compassion, which is which is such a better place to come from.
What was the what was your how how did your work as an actor and your industry experience that kind of shift over to then building good. Like where was that? Was there an entrepreneur spirit that you already have? What does that mean? And what was that then the why of the reasoning behind goup and everything that came from that?
I think that I definitely had an entrepreneurial spirit.
I think I was raised by parents who had a lot of agency and a lot of drive themselves, and especially my father, who had come from a background of not a lot of means. It was he was so driven to kind of make something of himself and in that American dream sort of way. And I grew up watching that kind of drive and work ethic and pride and then manifestation and what can come from that kind of focus and that kind of intention.
And I found it very inspiring that I saw my mother doing these amazing plays and playing these great roles and check off and Tennessee Williams. And she was so empowered and and I had so much respect for that. And so it was sort of a convergence of those things. And I was very much raised with the notion that you can be anything you want to be. And you have to do it yourself, so those two things were very galvanizing and also very like the possibility of freedom is there.
It's like if you can if you believe in yourself, you. And a lot of you'll have a lot of detractors along the way, but if you can truly believe in yourself and sort of see the bull's eye and keep it in your sights, like that's what I was raised to believe. And it's a very exhilarating feeling. It's a very powerful feeling. And I believe that anybody can channel that feeling and manifest for themselves. Absolutely.
I thought that the way you did that was in the arts because that's what I had seen. So I had seen my mother act and be so empowered and I'd seen my father be so driven and cultivate this amazing career in television and writing and. So I thought, well, I'll just I will just want to be like my mom and then I had all this success and it was very. Strange in a way, because I didn't feel I didn't necessarily feel like I was like, what if this isn't my calling?
And then. And then I took off a number of years when I had my kids, I was very, very lucky to be able to do that. And then I wanted to do something else and I wanted to.
Find some way to reach people or inspire people with the power of their own curiosity and to try to create a platform where. Asking questions was permissible and, you know, pursuing pursuing the things in life that made you feel. Optimised in some way, you know, and it could be. It could be in some great philosophical kind of light bulb way, or it could be just like I'll tell you where the best taco in Santa Barbara was, just the idea that life is so precious.
And how can we kind of. What are the shortest roads to the best things or the happiest feelings and this feeling of beauty that we use it goop like not physical beauty, but the feeling that anything is possible and that feeling of of resonance. And I had no idea how I could start to do that or even that I could ever turn it into a business. But I was really driven by that. Feeling of wanting to share, I don't know those the the the what I had.
Tried and learned and failed at and and what was working for me and sharing amazing information that I had heard, and so it just sort of came out, it came from that place I love.
And you mentioned the word manifest and manifestation of few jobs that tell us, because I feel like there are so many versions or misconceptions of manifestation that are out there right now. What was yours? Because obviously it's worked with your work ethic and everything else that you had. It's not exclusive of that. But what was your process if you had one or what was your mindset around that? Just to just to get clarity on what really worked for you?
I think that if you are living in integrity and that your word and your actions are aligned.
Then you can honestly bring anything into the world that you want to bring into the world. And when you cultivate that relationship of honesty and integrity with yourself. That you can literally. First of all, hear your calling and then. Make it happen and that that to me is a manifestation that could be in a way that people I've heard so many times, oh, I've always wanted to write a book, but, you know, it's like.
If you can get to that place that you are so in tune with what's real for you and what's right for you, that it doesn't matter what anybody else thinks of you and what you're doing, then you can express it in any way in the world. Does that make any sense?
Makes so much sense. It made complete sense. It was actually a really beautiful songs that I love. I love trying to figure out different definitions or understandings. And that was that was a beautiful there's there's a famous quote that it reminded me of in the quote says that we experience real harmony and peace in our lives when what we think, say and do are aligned. And that was a much more succinct way. Well, it's not like it's a quote that I've read that I've had before.
And and when you said that, it reminded me of that, that the way you said it was so much clarity, because I think for most of us, we think one thing, we say something else when we do something completely different. And so so when you said to be an integrity with your with your word and your action, I think that's that's yeah. That's that's that's a great answer. The other part I wanted to touch on, which you mentioned, which is around how you think women have just had this memo that for so many years around, just like, you know, everyone's needs come before your own.
And and I grew up, you know, my mother raised me through and through. I have a younger sister. I saw my mom work. Take care of me. She's an entrepreneur. She was an entrepreneur. But I didn't even know she was an entrepreneur because I didn't know what I was then. And she had her own company and I had a younger sister. So I was very involved in wanting to be like a good older brother to her.
And I just saw my mom accomplished so much. And and I think it definitely changed my view of the potential that anyone had, including my now wife and what I see her being able to do. What where do you think that never changed for you? Were you still able to be a good mother and you were able to kind of reconcile what that meant to you? About about. Being responsible and being what you thought that was, that's a good definition of what a woman should be.
I think that I had to give myself the permission to. Fully. Anybody who I have been through every chapter. And then find the agility to sort of change for the next chapter.
I really Margaret Mead wrote about women really having being sort of very distinct people in different chapters of their lives and sort of. The the lack of permission that we historically have given ourselves to. Fully be who we are in those chapters and then be dynamic enough to grow into ourselves in the next chapter. You know, I remember at some point. Realizing that I had to stop. Holding myself as a daughter. Because it was keeping me in the last chapter and of course, I will always be a daughter and I love my parents, but I had to sort of unhook myself from that dynamic of needing approval, wanting affirmation and decide to fully embody myself as a woman.
And now I'm a mother. And that brings with it a whole other set of things. And then I'm in my second marriage, which is a completely different experience than my first marriage.
And who do I want to be in that marriage and how do I want to show up in that marriage? And how do I want to test myself and push myself? And somebody somebody once said that. A long, intimate relationship is just a meditation and everything that's wrong with you. I love that and so embracing that that those things that come up and saying like, oh, OK, this is an area where I'm still invulnerable or resistant or whatever the case may be, I just think it's about giving yourself that permission is like as a woman to, as I said before, be honest with yourself, like take inventory of how you really feel about something.
Be selfish sometimes. Put yourself first, speak your truth, say what you mean, and then everything just opens up.
You know, I wish it hadn't taken me so long.
You know, I feel like I had my head up for half my life so far, you know, and I'm to but, you know, I it's something that I speak about with the younger women in my life, you know, who I talk to through a business or in the importance of speaking the truth from the place that's real inside and how and how that just changes everything.
Great. What a great perspective. And it's nice hearing you say that, because I think it would help a lot of people when they hear that, because it's you're right. It's just so hard when some of these things have just been hardwired into family and education and media. And, you know, it's propagated everywhere. And it's almost like you feel guilty breaking it down. And it's like one of the most guilty, like such a hard feeling to feel like you and I did.
I don't know if there's a there's a lot of hard feelings in the world, but it's like one of those ones that you just it kind of feels like there's no way out sometimes. And so that really clarifies a lot of it for me. And I think I'll clarify for everyone to see. I wanted to talk a bit about some of Gibs focuses, and I know that right now skin care and beauty is a big focus. And I know that you talk about being clean and holistic and results driven.
My my big question is, what do you what is the result that you think people need to have with their skin care and beauty? Because that's sometimes, you know, when I hear that, I think, oh, wow, that's so open and amazing. Results driven. That's open. What does that mean to you and what does it mean to you?
We really want to approach everything we do at goup through our core values. And so clean and non-toxic is super important. There's so much research now around the endocrine disrupting chemicals and so much of our personal care.
And it's all kind of you know, when we started talking about people thought we were a little nuts, but that's just par for the course at goup. And now it's become very mainstream and the clean beauty industry is on fire. And the younger generation, Gen Xers are really concerned with what is in their personal care products, et cetera.
So we believe wholeheartedly in that.
And for us, this idea that beauty is a holistic thing. So, of course, we want really efficacious, clean skin care. But it's also. How do you feel about yourself? Are you hydrating? Do you what are you saying to yourself all day?
Are you stuck in an old model of thinking that's harmful? Are you what is your breathing?
What is your exercise? What is your nutrition? And just sort of trying to create a space where we create the content that really helps a woman get closer to her true self and then we create the product that will help her on the outside as well. Look, I love that it's great to have that. You know, that synergy in approach, because I feel like we we all need we all need products to feel good, good about ourselves from the outside into everyone does.
And I know I have my my hair wax and I could even probably wearing a hat if I don't do that. But it's you know, it's such a it's important to feel confident at the outside. But like you're saying, there's a lot of other practices that you're promoting that really changes things from the inside out when you're when you're creating a product like, for example, jeans or something along those lines. What's the kind of thinking that goes into creating a product like that?
Like what's what's the innovation behind you? Where are you? Where do you start? Because I feel like today it's it's almost like we see products everywhere all the time. But it's a weird way. It is a product store. And the reason I ask this question is the thing that's almost like being an entrepreneur is really about is knowing where does your product start, not just having a product going to get to market it. So tell me about jeans and where the product began.
So everything that we make comes really from a white space. It's it's how we started our skincare. It was I couldn't find really clean, luxurious skin care that actually worked.
It was like.
You don't want to buy a cream at the health food store necessarily, you know, and this the idea with goup jeans was really I wanted to create something incredible and really special that really work and sort of touched on the idea that we pass things down to our other generations, like we take things from our parents and we pass them down and epigenetically speaking.
We can affect how those how aging or how disease presents, you know, with how we're living our lives, what we're eating, what we're thinking, how much love we have in our lives.
And we're giving a massive, beautiful summer thunderstorm right now. Oh, no. So beautiful. And so we always we always want to think about kind of the psychological pieces, as crazy as that sounds, and sort of the emotional piece and then the ingestible piece. So we always have an ingestible that helps the skin from the inside out like a GOOP gene supplement, which is an amazing collagen supplement. Although I love the taste, it tastes like a birthday cake.
But some people, like my daughter, doesn't like the taste of things like birthday cake.
And then we have no and then we have the topical cream, which actually I'm so proud of the team because they formulate these amazing clean products that the efficacy is crazy, like the clinical results behind these products are just amazing. And so it just goes to prove that you can formulate something that will really change your skin and really hydrate and help with fine lines and wrinkles and all that stuff.
And that won't harm you in any way. And that's part of a larger lifestyle of of feeling good about yourself in whatever way that means to you, whether it's expressing yourself honestly or exercising or, you know, however that is and just creating that space for women to decide what's right for them and what will work for them.
Yeah, and and I know you're bringing this all together on I think it's 12 September. You have the group Health and Wellness Summit and you're excited about that. You have to come on, come and do an in group health of me.
I would love to. I'd be more than happy to, but it's so exciting because I know that, you know, that's obviously I think it's something that people are always going to look forward to this year. I think, you know, with the lack of offline programming and events for people to turn up to. And I think I think for people to have something exciting to go to online, it's I feel like now is the time for more than ever.
Why was that important for you to do at that time? Tell us a bit about what particular I know there's lots of workouts and masterclasses, but what's something that you're really excited for, for the summit? Well, it's funny, we love our in-person summits so much and they've become such a point of connection and education and we were so sad to have to let them go. And we thought, well, we wonder if there's a way to digitally create this.
And actually, I'm so excited and inspired by what everybody's put together, because, first of all, it's much more accessible in terms of price point, in terms of geography. Anybody can and it's been amazing to see we have people from so many countries who've signed up, which makes me so happy.
But it's really just when when covid happened and we've been going through this. Crazy, crazy time, I said to the team, we just really have to get back to our core values, which are being of service and and sharing with the world the things that work for us and resonate for us and what what helps us in our own education, in our own process and our own practices.
And we kind of went stripped it all the way back to that. And and to be able to offer this in such a clear expression of who we're trying to be and how we're trying to show up in the world. And I'm really excited about well, the theme of it is transitions, and I'm very excited. Let's see. I think that I'm most excited about there's a woman gosh, I'm forgetting her name, but she has a business called Pro, and it's about.
Yes, and it's about and she's incredible. And she's about like finding your sexuality shamelessly. And I think I think a lot of women need to have that permission to have that conversation. And so I'm most excited for her workshop. I love that.
I'm so glad that so many people are going to get to it from all over the world, because that's obviously something that's hard to do. Yes. And I'll never forget that day when I was that I was that rolling greens. I can't remember which one it was. And then they were like clearing everything out. And me and my wife like, what's going on? And we bumped into the owner and he was saying, oh, yeah, group's coming here next week.
And, you know, you had this event for me last year or something. It was amazing. But but yeah. No, it's I'm sure that the digital one will be incredibly fulfilling and how many people it serves. I recommend everyone to go and sign up for the for the summit. It's on the 12th of September. And obviously you can join from anywhere in the world. If I want to ask you to last segments that we end every podcast with one sport fill in the blank.
So that's what we'll do next. I read out sentences and you fill in the blanks. It's super easy. So your first one is I wish everyone knew that they were whole.
Beautiful. You'll never have a healthy relationship without first, there's so many words like.
Give us your unique one. I was going to say honesty, but, yeah, I think I think honesty.
Yeah, yeah. Good for you. One of the most underserved problems is.
Oh, my gosh, there's so many. Yeah. Um. You can show it for you, I don't. I don't want to. I was one of the most underserved problems is environmental racism.
Well, how how are our disenfranchised populations are exposed to a much higher toxic load than the rest of us.
OK, this one is your final one from fill in the blanks. Find common ground with other people by forgiving yourself.
Wow. OK, yeah, I'm going to let you I'm going to say, please expand, tell us more. I want to hear your answer. So I think we have disagreements with people because we're holding on to. Ideas that come from pain or ways that we think we're not good enough or. And that's what causes friction with people like. If you've truly forgiven yourself. Then you can enter into any. Conversation or confrontation? In a clean way, you know, you're not going to be projecting stuff on the other person, but if you're walking around carrying a lot of.
Shame or misinformation about yourself, then it's really hard to listen because you're stuck with that stuff from your past clinging to you. That's such a great answer. I love that, and if you remember the it reminded me of the The Evil King Goes Hungry story that I share in my book. So Evil King comes to me a good king and the evil king. The good king brings out two plates and lays them in front of both of them. And they're about to eat.
And the evil king, there's no, no, no, no, no. And then he switches the plates and the good king laughs goes, Why are you searching the place? What's wrong with you and the evil king as well? Because you might have poisoned my plate and exactly what you're saying. He's projecting his own challenges. Like maybe you poisoned my plate and the evil king just lost. He's like, OK, whatever. And he's about to eat from the plate and people choose not to eat again.
And then the good thing is No one, he said, well, I don't know, maybe a double blasphemy. And so then the good king eats and the evil can go hungry and doesn't get to eat because like you said, you're projecting your own challenges onto someone else and then you're the only one that starves in that scenario. So I love that one. OK, these are your final five. These questions are answered in one word to one sentence maximum.
I'm probably going to get you to expand because I love your answers. So if it goes wrong, it's because of me. You will not be judged by the final five council. OK, final five questions. So this is one of my favorite questions to ask. What do you know to be absolutely true or what's something that you believe so strongly in that many other people might disagree with you, that all human beings are good?
I love it and I completely agree. I love that. OK, question number two, what do you want to give your children that you didn't receive growing up?
I know you received a lot, so I know it's a hard question, the permission to be their true selves.
Beautiful. OK, great. Third question for you is, what was your biggest lesson that you learned in the last 12 months?
This is a great question. The biggest lesson that I've learned in the last 12 months from being contained inside for so many months.
That I truly learned that freedom. Is an idea. More than actually being able to go out and do what you want. Tell me more. This is beautiful. It's such a wonderful answer. Like the feeling.
You can cultivate that feeling of freedom by going inward and allowing yourself the possibility to explore areas within yourself that you might not have explored and take the time to look thing, look at things in a completely different way.
And there's so much freedom inside of us that we don't we haven't been taught to. Think about. We think about freedom is freedom of movement and freedom of expression, but there's so much freedom to find internally. The question number four out of your five, this one is this the personal one that I snuck in? I'm a huge marble fan, so I was going to ask you, what's your favorite scene in a Marvel movie that you did in. And so many probably you know, it's so embarrassing, I haven't seen so many of the movies, the ones you are in that.
No, I love that you're missing out on some of the best movies of all time. I yeah, I like the Marvel movies, actually, some of my favorite movies, but we could skip that one.
I've had a great time doing.
I mean, I'll tell you that I started working with Robert Downey Jr. is always a complete highlight, like it's. Talk about finding freedom. It's like this amazing, I don't know, exchange of it's like little fireworks of of creativity and love. And he's just he's the best. Yeah, that's awesome. That's that's good to hear because. Yeah, I mean, you guys do incredible work together, so I'm happy to hear that. And fifth and final question, if you could create a law that everyone else in the world had to follow, what would it be to deal with their shit?
Really? Yeah, no, it's a great answer. I think if everybody.
Was forced to really be accountable and really make amends and really ask themselves the hard questions and really improve, we would be in a much, much better place and a much higher consciousness.
I love that you're amazing. This is so beautiful. That was your final five going after everyone so grateful that you've just been so generous with your time and spent this time with us. It's so beautiful. I'm so happy that Conner is just being together again. But, you know, when we first met him, it was briefer in terms of how much we got to talk. But today, I just I just feel like I've had such a heart connection with you.
And I thank you for that for for inspiring you and and making sure it happened that way. And you really set the tone. And so I simply tried to reciprocate, set back that I really, really love this time with you. And I can't wait for people to hear this. And I know it can impact so many and the people are going to be really moved as well. So thank you for just showing us your truest really self. Thank you.
Thank you for being who you are in the world.
You are a real beacon of light and a great teacher.
So thank you.