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Everybody, welcome to the show. Thanks for tuning in to the show. Guess who I am? I am Daryn only I am your navigator today. This is a cool one. If all of you have seen in Air France episode and down to Earth, you know that I took Zach out on the ground once we got to France, take him out on the ground, put his feet on the ground, take your shoes off and get grounded. And there is a massive a lot of science around the electric pollution that's going on around us, the unseen electrical detriment that's going on with wi fi, with cell phones, with all of this electrical chatter we have in our bodies or bodies trying to harmonize to all of that.


And there's an easy way for you to take out the trash of that electrical stress, and that's put your feet on the ground. And my great guest here, Clint Ober, you know, he was installing cable TV systems in Billings, Montana. Good old boy, right? Just doing work. And he realized that everything needs to be grounded or else you blow out your TV sets. So if you know that every building, every home, everything that is plugging anything in has a copper rod grounded into the earth.


It's like code. You actually have to have it or else you blow circuits and then blow up all your computers and TVs and all of that stuff in your house. You catch on fire. So the very nature of this electrical storm and electro magnetic fields and static exists in our nature frequencies. And what happens with us? We created all these other electric storms that we have, these biological unassimilated frequencies that is causing a system stress. So Clint realized that woke up.


We get into a story. He is now became the CEO of Earth Fix Earthing Grounding PAD's. We're living ninety two, 93 percent of our lives indoors. And we're not grounding ourselves and taking away some of this pollution that we're getting from all over the place. We need it. It's good for our bodies at harmonises, our bodies, our bodies, our voltage. We need to be connected to the earth. You got it. You know what I'm saying?


So we get into that with Clint, his whole story, very easy to apply. I'm sitting right now in a in quarantine in a room. And guess what I have with me. I have a grounding pad that I just plug into the wall because I know that it's grounded. The electricity has to be grounded in this hotel. So now by plugging that in, it's grounded in this pad than that. I sit on that. I lay on the put my feet on the ground, the earth, and it helps me balance my voltage regulating body in much better way.


It is powerful. It has affected millions of people's lives. Clint's doing incredible work. At the end of the day. Get your ass outside, take your shoes off, put your feet on the ground and you will be a better human because of it. Enjoy my cool, awesome conversation with Clint over. Stoked to have you here, Clint, you know, your background so interesting because you were dealing with literally electronics, right. And then realized that just body is an electrical voltage regulator and it's kind of your your journey to this stage is really interesting.


So why don't you unpack that a little bit for for everyone listening? Well, I think, first of all, you have to I mean, my early, early days, I was raised on a ranch and farm and environment. And in that I was put on the horse when I was very young and don't go baby cows and being a cowboy, but not like the cowboys on TV. But anyhow, so what I was taught was you sit there and you watch the animals all day long and then if you see one in the herd, we have about a hundred time.


So if you see one in the herd then and it's not acting like the rest is balling or they're not OK, then you take an out of the herd, you put it in a pen and then because you're not don't you didn't have a cell phone, so you put it off and then you go ride the pasture, make sure the grass is not too short. There's no noxious weeds, no new weeds growing in the pasture. Then you go check the water in the tanks to do that with and then you go ride the stream to make sure there's not a dead animal upstream concept being that's something.


If that cow gets sick in the pasture, then there's something in the environment that's affecting that cow. So prevention was what that life was all about. So my whole life I've been taught to look at everything from what caused it. What how do you prevent that from happening? So, you know, so I have that in my background. And then not only that, I spent growing up a lot of my close friends who were Native American. And so everything is very earthy and very connectedness of native grasses.


You cousin. Yeah, for sure. Well, you know, on it. And it's and that's the beautiful thing about those indigenous cultures. And that's how they survived for hundreds of thousands of years, being being not that isolating or reducing themselves to something over here, but really saying like we are a symbiosis with this and there's an alchemical process that goes along with a balanced environment, which is such a strange concept for most of the people in the world going, oh, that's woo woo stuff.


But the further you get away from nature, the more you put us on seat in seats and and off of the ground and out of the sun the more disjointed dysregulated we get. Which is why I love this kind of conversation, because it's infinitely more than earthing or grounding. It's it's about this very, very basic way of living, just like breathing, but breathing properly, just like sleeping with sleeping properly, just like being connected. But can that actually actively connecting.


So I love that. Yeah. So and then the other side of it too is we were always in sunshine. We lived outdoors. We half the time we would sleep out there with cattle. And so we and and then until TV came along, we you couldn't get us in the house. There was no there's no way you couldn't get us in. I'm seventy six. So we didn't come along till I was around. Eight, nine, 10 years old, something like that, but even then, you only had an hour a day or something.


So but anyhow, the main thing is so I spent and I when I left that environment, I went to work in the communications industry for the developing development of the cable TV, cable television systems and the low power television. And in that industry, you have to ground everything to Earth in order to get a nice, clean signal on your audio, your data, your radio, your analog. And if there's any noise, then there's usually from static on the line or interference from somewhere something's going on.


So the rule is if there's any noise or any ground in there, there's more noise and grounded. More more ground was always the concept.


So, yeah. So unpack that just a little bit. So, you know, in terms of just so we have this cool concept of grounding. So what is it from electronic standpoint, from this old from the old age of cable television? When that came about, what what was actually occurring took out the static. But from electronic point of view, like what was going on that created the such an importance of grounding in that in that industry. OK, well, you have two words.


One is called positive and one is called negative charge. And to me, a simple negative means to no charge. Positive means there is a charge. Well, any time you have static electricity, it creates charge. It builds up charges on the line and then you have to ground it. So the only way you can ground it is you have to have electrons come up the ground, right up the wire, down the cable. And because a lot was created by static electricity, by wind and dust and just environmental things, and then you also have lightning and lightning.


You have your lightning strikes, but you also have the rise in electrical potential of the earth any time there's a lightning of occurring and even in the clouds. So there's a lot of electrical changes in the environment going up and down. I mean, this is pretty crazy how the grid works and how they maintain everything level. But the constant and all of it is ground, but even ground potential will come up and down based on atmospheric and celestial type of electrical phenomena.


There's just noise. I mean, it's just static. I mean, it's like if it's like in the old days, there was a lot of static electricity. You would have glitches with the electronics. If they weren't grounded properly, then it would trip a fuse, in your view, would blow a fuse or something would happen forever, resetting everything because of static switches. So but the main thing with cable was, is you didn't want any of this lightning or anything hitting getting into the home because you're running hundreds of miles of wire in the air along with the telephone and the power.


They're all totally grounded to earth also. And so you have to put a ground rod just for the cable enters the home so that it's grounded out right there so nothing can get into the home except the signal. And if you don't do that, then lightning can just go right on in and the TV set and start a fire. So it's so it's so that grounding and the earth doing that grounding is literally balancing out all of the unstable electrical potential going on in the atmosphere all the time.


And if you don't let that discharge into the ground and and then it's then it's kind of free flowing and would potentially cause a lot of harm. It's like static electricity. You have to reduce it. And the only way you can reduce it is something that's grounded or it has more electrons than you do or and then the charger. So it's about reducing charge and maintaining electrical stability so that you can run signals and maintain audio, video data, whatever.


I guess you have to back up again and grounding. I mean, the earth is ground in the electrical world, in the communications world. And the reason it's ground is because the surface of the earth as a surface charge and electrum a negative surface charging me, it has excess amount of electrons that are free and they're able to move and reduce charge. That's all they do is they move and reduce charge to maintain no charge. So in the old days, you didn't have a problem?


We were always grounded. We were either barefoot or we were living on the earth. Couldn't get off of the Earth like 60, 70 years ago. Now we can get back to the Earth, but but anyhow, so with the modern environments, when we started to leave the earth. Then we started wearing rubber soled shoes in nineteen sixty before then we were either barefoot, if you were younger and if you were working, you wore a leather shoe or you wore rubber soled shoes and it was an electrical to protect you.


But the people, the common people didn't have I mean, they had leather and they had barefoot and were always barefoot. It was natural. We went to school, was a kid barefoot. But anyhow, so but so what happened was, is before nineteen sixty as a human and electrical, we are an electrical conductor. Our body is the most electrical thing in the environment. There's no computer or anything else. It's more electrical than the body itself because every thought, every cellular communication, heartbeat muscles, I mean trillions and trillions of electrical phenomena going on in your body every second.


Yeah. And so before nineteen sixty we were all generally grounded because of the shoes or semiconductor form. So we were always had, we were negative, we had no charge, we had the same electrical potential as the earth, meaning we had an abundance of free electrons that could reduce charge. Now the only charge that most of us were aware of until I started messing about this is you have static electricity on your body from walking across the floor, lifting your feet up or doing something, and you touch something and you'll get a shock and electrical shock.


Those are electrons either coming from a doorknob to your finger generally or your finger going to the doorknob. And so the door equaling out the electrical potential between the doorknob and your finger. I said that's a form of grounding. Right. And so anyhow, that's what grounding is. I mean, it's just about holding things at Earth potential, reducing the possibility to prevent to reduce and prevent charge, to reduce and prevent fire.


So so basically, we put on shoes. We got off of the ground. We're mostly living off of the ground. We're mostly so. So what? And we are bio electrical beings. We regulate everything, the electrical potential. So if we're running around off of the ground without reducing and just reducing that charge, what then is happening? We're we're essentially is it similar to the system to this kind of crazy electrical energy that's just kind of bombarding us without that grounded discharge or what's what's building up inside of us from that from from the let's unpack the UN groundedness.


What's what's going on with the ungrounded human.


OK, so that goes back. About twenty two years ago I was fifty four and I had retired from the communications industry and I was I spent about four years running around the United States looking for something to do and I didn't want to get back into the business world or all the dog eat stuff that goes on out there. So anyhow, I was looking for something interesting to do and then one day I was playing with a computer and it kept crashing.


Every time I touch the keyboard, then it would lock it up. And I knew that was from static electricity and it was it was an old ungrounded apple, the apple. And so what I did in order to prevent that, I put a piece of copper tape across my desk and connected to the electrical ground. And before I would touch the computer, I would always touch the tape first and then touch the computer. And I had no problem.


So it's pretty simple. I mean, a lot of people you remember those problems from the old days, constant glitches and restart your computer. So anyhow, that's where I started with it. And that afternoon after I had done that, I went outdoors and I was I was in Sedona, Arizona, of all places, and I was just passing through. And then I got stuck there because I like the color and the temperature in front of me was just one place to hang out.


But anyhow, so I was sitting on the bus stopping or the tour buses pull up. And as people were getting off the bus, they were kind of a group of people coming from Japan and they had these big white Nike shoes on tennis shoes. And for some reason I intuitively asked, I said, I wonder if there's a consequence to humans no longer being naturally grounded. I did not know. It just came out of out of the blue, out of nowhere.


And so that night I went home and I got a hole in the ground made up of weird stuff. And I started measuring the electrical charges on my body from not grounded in the kitchen, in the living room, in the bedroom. Of course, there's all kinds of static electricity. There's all kinds of RF frequency. I mean, it's a sea of R.F. out there. And then you have the and the electric feels that are radiating from the appliances in the home and the wiring in the walls and everything.


When I was grounding myself and the meter, I walked close to something like see the voltage rise on my body because I was measuring the electrical on my body and the static electricity. That's easy. You just pick your foot up off the floor and you can see the bell curve every time you have contact, separation, just similar materials. There's going to be a steady. Separation, so anyhow, there's it's a world that most people are totally unaware anyhow.


That night I thought, well, there's there's a consequence here, but at that time I was like fifty four. I had terrible amounts of pain because I grew up on a ranch. I studied most of my life. I played tennis and I just did every dumb thing you could think of still writing you over, whatever over. And so anyhow, I remember this is one I remember one day I went out backyard prior to that and I looked up the sky and I said, God, why'd you make my body with so much pain in?


And I didn't left it at that. But anyhow, I didn't. I did. So anyhow, the I went to the hardware store and I bought some a roll of two inch wide metal duct tape, aluminum, and I taped it up and down my bed and I grounded it to the earth and I grounded the meter to the earth. And then when I would lay on the tape and touch the meter, I could tell that I was grounded, that I was an earth potential.


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So basically, you're you're especially now in our modern day world, we're getting hit with all of these frequencies that we created with all of our electrics, with all of our amps, with all of this stuff. And that's that's bombarding our body invisibly all the time. Right. And since we're electric, the body doesn't know what to do with all of that foreign electricity. So there's some sort of consequence to that, especially now that we're not only getting all of that, but we're not on the ground discharging that.


So basically, could it could it be so much concluded in the way that basically we're receiving electrical pollution and because we're not on the ground, the Earth can't it's which is designed to discharge that or take that away from us that but it can happen instantly if you're able to ground yourself. So we're basically running around with electrical pollution, wondering why we're we're fatigued, wondering where we have pain, wondering why we're not thinking correctly. And it could be part of the reason is that we're not discharging all of this electrical pollution.


Definitely there's a there's a correlation there. And what it is, is these electric fields don't do what they do as they perturb electrons in your body and then they create this voltage. And so there's not adding anything to your body. What is doing it simulating artificially stimulating the sympathetic nervous system. So so you're in a chronically elevated, simply subtle, suddenly elevated, sympathetic state. And of course, that spikes cortisol and keeps cortisol increase eventually inflammation if you don't dissipated, and that creates irritability, which creates pain, which creates all these things.


And then you get into this vicious cycle and so on. But anyhow. What are the most surprising thing that we learned or what I did, first of all, I'll go back to that original story that when I did that, I could tell I was. I knew I was grounded, but the most surprising thing is the next morning I woke up in that meteor was laying beside my side and normally for me to go to sleep, I had to take Advil or something.


And I went to sleep without the Advil. And I didn't think too much about that. But I felt good in the morning and I slept and I did that for a couple more days and the same similar thing. And then a couple of days later, I grounded a couple of friends that I had there that I had met. And I said, you guys have to try this. You don't know what to do in Sedona. Yeah. Yeah.


So so anyhow, I tried it or we grounded them out. And sure enough, one of them said, yeah, you bet this thing helps you sleep. The other guy, he said, you said, do you think it has anything to do with arthritis. He says, because my arthritis is way down. And I said, I don't know. I think it's just sleep. But I don't I didn't know anything about arthritis or those kind of things.


And so then all of a sudden I recognized that all my pain just started to dissipate. And then I went on a journey trying to figure out the Internet. Back then you had AOL and you had not very much. You had Nexis Lexis where your data retrieval buddy, but there wasn't much on the Internet, so it was really hard to find anything. So this is like in the nineties. This is ninety eight ninety nine there. And so I went down to ended up going down to University of Arizona in Tucson and met with a couple of people there and found out a little bit.


But the only thing that that anybody could come up with is when you operate the surgery. I mean you have to ground the patient to prevent static and all those kind of things from. Oh, really? So they were doing that hospitals. But they didn't know. I mean, they didn't think of a biological effect. They were just thinking of preventing static electricity and extraneous electrical charges that could stimulate and cardio event. Right. So anyhow, that's that's all I learned at that time.


And then but I kept playing with it. And then one day I realized that while there's something going on here, because I know my health is coming back, my energy is coming back. And my friends were said, wow, this is real. This is significant. And so to me, it was I had the greatest day in my life and the worst day of my life on the same day because of that, what I figured out something.


I've learned something. And nobody else knows about who I talk to. Nobody knew anything. One problem was nobody knew about it. So you had every person individually and try to educate them. So that was a real challenge. So anyhow, finally I got tired. Then I just I said, I'm going to go out to UCLA and I said, they've got to understand what this is and go and try to find out why nobody is aware of it and nobody's using it.


And the only reason I knew anything about grounding was because of my background. So if you want to talk to anybody else in the world like Randy, they say you're what are you talking about? So but anyhow, when I went out there, it was fun. They kind of laughed me off campus. They said, you expect us to put a stick in the ground or a stake in the ground and tie a wire around somebody. So that's going to make them sleep better.


And I said, you better believe it. And they said, don't get out of here, you're nuts. Go away. And but anyhow, I did get a couple of students from that reading those people who were doing dissertations or whatever, and they kind of taught me how to do a study. So I went up to Ventura and got 60 subjects on Long Story all by itself. And I divided up into two groups like they told me had a nurse that did all the interaction.


I went out and rounded out of more placebo, half or more it and all. We just got a 12 inch by twenty four inch pad underneath there sheet and told to sleep on it. And it came back as everybody slept better. They had more energy, they had a lot less pain, but they had all kinds of like some of the ladies talk about, they didn't have the PMS cramps. A couple of them said it affected their time today.


But there's a whole host in all these studies and they're talking about are available on the Earth Institute dot net. So we looked at that study and said, OK, now we have enough evidence that we can go get some a real study done because people at UCLA and everywhere, they wanted more more evidence. They wanted more information so they could make sense of it because they didn't understand electrical. I didn't understand biology at the time. And now I think I do well.


But anyhow, so I ended up, after that study, actually got it published. My first study wasn't it wasn't even a doctor. So anyhow, then they said, OK, we need to do a another study. And so then we started to get ready for the cortisol. But I have to tell one story. Go on about electric fields, because I. A lot of people are afraid of electric fields and all of these things, but they don't know what to do about them because they're invisible and most people don't want to give up their electrical environment.


But anyhow, in one day when we were doing that study, we had two people. One of them was like an 80 year old woman who had terrible arthritis in both of her wrists. And the other was an 80 year old gentleman who had just had heart surgery, looked like he had been run over by a truck. I didn't think he was good, but throughout the study. But anyhow, so I went to see the gentleman first in an adobe house.


I went in, measured his electric fields, his bedroom, and he didn't have any electric fields because he was a brick, thick adobe house and there was no electrical outlets on the side where his bed was a brick floor and his metal framing on his bed was touching the brick floor. So he was kind of the bed was technically the frame was ground. And so anyhow, and he was a life patient life subject. I said, man, this is terrible because we're not going to get any results out of here because we're not producing any electric fields.


So then that afternoon I went over to the ladies and grounded her and she had the highest amount of electric field I had ever measured on a person. She had a heating pad under her bed and she had lamps and all kinds of electrical stuff on the lamp and everything next to her bed and then other kind of medical appliances stuff. And so anyhow, we won, grounded her and she was like twenty bolts of environmental electrical charge on the twenty volts of electrical pollution, was hitting her every day, all day and all night long and so on.


And her arthritis was so bad that she totally in pain, total pain and heat. You could feel the heat. So anyhow, in order to ground her, her son was there and he helped me get her grounded and everything. So I made up the bed and then in making the. And so I had to test the product. So I grounded the bedpan, grounded the meter, and then I would test her body voltage. That's how I know what the body which then would ever touch the pad and then it remeasure the body.


But she didn't know what I was doing and it didn't matter. So anyhow, I had to put a patch on one of her hands so I could do that. And then I in a patch, on the other hand, for the meter. And by five minutes we were just talking to her son. She raised her hand. She says this one is working or this one's not working. This one's working. And I didn't quite understand what she meant.


Then I realized that the drownded patch, she said, was working and the patch on the meter wasn't working. It was it was working.


It was working on our arthritis. On the one hand, that was grounded, taking her pain away. So I took the patch off, the one hand, put it on the other hand with the meter and took the meter off. And she said, now it's working. Yeah, I thought that was our first learned how fast grounding, reduced pain. And so anyhow, then when when I got when they got the study, when the nurses went out and got the paperwork all over and brought the study papers back and the papers were all laying out there one day.


So here are these two people. On that day, they both had severe health issues, just too many to name. But anyhow, one of them had twenty bolts of environmental electric field in their bedroom. The other one had and in just a very small amount, only barely measurable, like twenty millivolts. But they both had the same results. And I said, there's something totally wrong here. My pad was working. I didn't measure it right.


Something is really wrong here. So I went back, checked the pad. Sure enough, it's working just fine and everything was just right. And so and that night I went home and I said, you know, there's something amiss here. I'm doing something wrong. I'm missing something. And then I started doing more tests. And then I realized that it was the electrical potential of the earth, her grounding the person to the earth that was reducing the inflammation, what we now call the information back then being from where the information was, it was reducing the pain and and then everybody skin color come up, their vitality came up and all of these things.


So then I went home and I said, you know, I said, is so these electric bills, we're blaming them for all these problems because we can measure them. But in reality, when I do the experiments, they don't really matter if you're grounded, if you are not grounded, those electric fields are really taxing your your nervous system. But if you're grounded, there's no effect. But it's the electrons coming up that wire into the body that's going.


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So join my tribe. All you have to do is go to one to one tribe, dotcom, sign up and you get three free days. Join me on this hero's journey. Join the tribe. When we're talking about earthing or grounding, we think it's like it's doing something from our it's like I'm thinking of it like taking something out of the body. But what you're saying is the earth, the Earth's natural energy electrical system is traveling up the grounded cord, or if you're on the earth, it's traveling up your body barefooted, etc.


, and is actually giving your body electrons to help balance it from the electrical pollution of the manmade stuff that it's being stressed with. Is that correct? Yes. When you put two feet on the earth, then your body is going to absorb enough electrons from the earth. Until you equalize, you are the same electrical potential as the Earth, meaning you have the same amount of free electrons in your body as the Earth does first per pro-rata. OK.


The key to that which blew my mind back at the time and nobody would listen to me. And suddenly I was talking about if what we're doing here is true, then you can't have. This pain and this oxidation in the grounded body, and then you look at the animal world, all the animals who live in the wild, they don't have cardiovascular disease, arthritis, they don't have any of these modern health disorders. The animal, on the other hand, the animals will live indoors with their owners.


50 percent die from cancer, which is an inflammation of the quarter. So I had this cowboy logic going for me. So we went on doing studies and the first thing we did was what everybody wanted to know is why does the grounding make pain go away? So what's the mechanism of action here? Nobody knew so and I I had not a clue, except that he had arthritis is a fire. And I know fire is what we're trying to prevent with grounding in the communications world.


We want everything to stay electrically stable and cool. If there's any resistance, you're going to have smoke and fire, you're going to blow it up or you're going to do something. So we kept doing studies. The second study we did was on cortisol. We would measure cortisol every four hours for twenty four hours and then put it in profile. Then we grounded him for a month to six weeks and went back and did the same thing again. And what we saw was at 4:00 a.m. in the morning, the people who were grounded, their cortisol was skyrocketing straight up, all of them equally.


And at six a.m. it reached a peak. Then it would come down, you know, drift down a 24 hour cycle. And he was the lowest at midnight. And then we that's how we learn that if you're not sleeping at night, there's only one reason you can't sleep at night. That's because your cortisol elevated otherwise sleep disorder dynamic is going to happen. But if you're like this bear in the woods or there's stress or whatever, cortisol is elevated.


You're not going to sleep. You don't worry. Keep one eye open. And we did the cortisol study and we got really, really great results. For the first time. We could say that, yes, grounding affects the autonomic nervous system and it affects cortisol, the twenty four hour circadian secretion for cortisol secretion profile. And that was a big discovery. And so. What can you say, take your shoes off, stand them, you're going to feel better and you're going to get out.


That's how that's what everybody wanted to go on. And but still, it didn't it did not give us some mechanism of action. We can see another result. We didn't see we didn't know how. So one day a doctor I met a doctor, Steven Sinatra, who was a cardiologist from back east. He was attending a conference in San Diego. And so I went over to him with the doctor who helped Duke help with the cortisol study. And he looked at what we were doing.


I grounded him playing with him a little bit, he says. He says if your grounding is if you're affecting pain, you need to be studying inflammation. Nobody knew what inflammation was back to two to one. There was nothing in the literature. The word meant that somebody sprained an ankle and it would swell up. And we declared and he said, no, that's not the inflammation I'm talking about. He said, I'm talking about chronic cellular inflammation on a on a molecular level proliferating throughout the body.


It's different than that. Just a swollen ankle.


Right. So I went to work after him after doing everything I could. And one day I was watching the reading up on on the immune system and how the immune system produces reactive oxygen species and especially neutrophils. And as soon as I heard the word reactive, then I knew that, wow, that's electrical. It's missing an electron. It's charged, positively charged, and it's looking for an electron and it's going to go steal it and start a fire.


That's how that's how it happens. And so I understood that. Then we started looking and doing a few more experiments, getting the same results. So Steven called me one to bring your stuff and come back here. I'm going to get together. A group of dust doesn't to do some testing and see if we can figure out what's going on. So anyhow, we went first thing we did is we drew blood from every person. There's like twelve different docs and scientists in the room drew blood from every one of them and looked at it under a microscope.


And you could see that most people, their bodies thick and sticky, almost everybody was except for myself. And nobody was around, not even Steven at the time anyhow. Then we grounded them all for thirty to forty minutes and then as an end result, everybody's blood spread out. So you did a live blood microscopist, right, and you looked at live blood analysis and you saw the coupling effect when someone was grounded, and that's very hard for cellular respiration.


Yes, hard to detox, et cetera. And then when you grounded it, they opened up and there was space again and there were more free flowing. Right. And so we did like 12 people that day. And then we could also tell by the color of the skin, everybody's faces would get rosy and pink and their demeanor would change. Then at that time, we said we knew what we saw that night. We want to real hard evidence that that was what was really happening.


What was that? What caused that? Red blood cells, all cells have an electrical service charge and that's how they repel each other. And that's how the blood skips on through the veins and everything. And when that electrical potential becomes reduced, then the blood cells will stick together and share an electron. It's kind of like electroplating chrome on a bumper positive charge on from a negative charge on the pump. Put it together and they stick. And so that's kind of what's going on here.


So anyhow, we then we grounded everybody and had this great results. And then so we thought about it for a couple, three weeks and said, OK, we need to find out how much electrical change is occurring on these red blood cells. So then we decided another study where we could take a gold wire and put a bolt on it and we'd put blood on the plate and then you'd turn on your battery. And then that is the time that the speed in which the blood cells were traveling away from that water would give you an idea of the amount of charge you had a constant charge on the wire.


So it would tell you what the constant was or what the charge was on blood cells. Everybody's voltage was a little bit different on these people that were in this study. And then we grounded them. And then, I mean, you had a two point. You can increase the blood viscosity by a factor of two point seven, which is huge. So what we did is we significantly I mean, what bottom line is when we ground the body red blood cells equalize with the earth itself.


They have the same electrical potential as the Earth itself now because they're more negative when they're. So now the blood cells like the negative magnets, if you put them together, they push each other apart. So now the red blood cells push each other apart and it normalizes the blood viscosity. So now the blood can get in and out of the capillaries. You have no formation, no sticky blood. It's just the blood. Your blood circulates the entire all the body or all the blood in your body circulates once a minute.


Yeah. And it's really moving. So when you say we ground him for, I think 30 minutes or something like that, it actually happens faster than that. But anyhow, the main thing that happened is so now we found our mechanism of action by by increasing the negative surface charge of blood, it can now get in and out of capillaries, oxygenate the tissue, clean up the debris and do what it's supposed to do. And so you put shoes on you, then that charge begins to deplete.


Yeah. So how you know, let's say I go right outside without shoes on and I come back and I'm at my computer, I'm on my next Zoome call. How long do you think that it takes to lose that charge? Well, what we found over the years is in our studies, we can run people for 30 minutes and last for 30 minutes afterwards, some people maybe an hour, depending on how much issues they had. But people who drowned every night, they seem to build like a capacitor.


They build and hold charge. But really what's happening here is the more you can reduce, oxygenate the tissue, prevent inflammation and so on. But once inflammation starts off, then your body, your immune system has to go clean up the debris and all the problems from the infection can't do. What am I supposed to do? So by repairing, getting grounded often and frequently and repairing that as much as you can, then the immune system doesn't have to spend so much time fighting inflammation and it can go and do what it's supposed to do in the body.


Yeah, so there's two things. So so what you brought up, which is great. So on the one hand it happens very fast. So you are looking at literally live blood cells changing almost instantaneously. Right. So it's not rocket science that. We are of the earth. We have lived on the earth, we have slept on the earth, but in our modern day fatele convenience, we lifted ourselves off of the earth. We put ourselves in comfortable beds and we took ourselves off of this incredible magnetic field of the earth.


That makes sense. It's important for us to be connected in our own pursuit of our own health. It's like it's fundamental grounding is in electrical stability. When you have information in your body, your body is your energy. Zaroff When you're grounded to the earth like the animals, you have to look at the animals in the wild and look at the health of the animals in the wild. And you can see it. I mean, it's just crystal clear versus the animals who live indoors with their owners.


And but anyhow, there's two things that are missing. I mean, one is grounding in some of the other sunlight people don't get. Sunlight is live energy. I mean, it's coming from the sun, photons and electrons. It's alive. I mean, it's its energy. And then live food, eat food is close to being live as possible. Dead don't get food. And that's electrical, too. I mean, it's all it's live. It's electrical.


It's it's hydrated. It's reparative.


It's it's all of that water springwater. Don't measure water, but you need you just I think it's really we need to look at nature and who we are. That's who we are and that's where we came from. And that's where the earth can run. And when we disconnect, we're like astronauts in space. We lose our our dance.


And by the way, for everyone listening, like as I'm sitting here, I'm on one of the earth mats as we speak. So I am grounded even in my thing. And that's a beautiful thing that you have done. You've created these products that people can bring because, you know, not a lot of people can be on a Zoome call sitting on the ground and earth themselves. But but now you've made that accessible and very easy. Plug that and make sure your house is grounded.


Plug that into the outlet. And and because everything's grounded, you can see with the little devices. I love the fact that you brought you you set the devices to show people of putting in the plug. You can see that it's actually grounded. And then when you plug in this grounding rod and then my mat that I just put my feet on or put it in my bed, it grounds me. And you've made that accessible. It's cheap. It's easy, and and you're bringing Earth medicine back to people.


So I'm stoked for what you've done and I'm stoked for your tenacity of staying with this real story that I tell a lot, especially to women, because in doing my research and getting subjects is one of the hardest things we could do.


And to get people who were healthy that didn't have health issues. But we ended up getting a lot of ladies with MS and lupus and diseases like that. And one day I was asking a woman with me, I said, what happened? How did you get M.S.? She was like thirty five years old. And I said, it's not an inherited thing, is it? And she says, no. She said, I don't know. It just happened about three or four years ago and it's just getting worse and worse and I'm in trouble or whatever.


And so her rheumatologist sent me over to get her grounded to see what that would help her. But anyhow, a couple of minutes after that, I asked that question and she said, you know, I never thought about it. She says, but that's the year we lost our house. My husband left and I lost my job and just everything went to hell. And she said, I just been I just got into stress or whatever. And so then what I realized was I started asking people all the time, what caused before you got cancer, what happened in your life, before you got lupus, what happened in your life?


And every single time there's a huge story of loss, stress and internalizing stress. And then I remember back and I try to tell a story to help them. When I was young, we used to have some years. And with Cat we have huge amounts of rabbits and rabbit infestation, whatever you want to call it, these big jack rabbits. And then you'd have a lot of coyotes that year because they lived on the jackrabbits and you had good growth.


So it's kind of a cycle thing, but anyhow, the rabbits, they they all sit there and they're eating grass, that's all they do all day long. And then all of a sudden they're tired of sneaking up on them. And then the years go up like that. And then the coyote starts to lunch. Then they spring just like the air. They can just spring high and then they start zigzagging back and forth across the pasture, keeping one eye on the coyote.


And eventually, almost every time the coyote runs out of energy first and he just drops to the ground, the rabbit run just a little bit further. But you can still see him. Then you're sitting there shaking. You can kind of see I mean, they're just he's had his life threatened. Then all of a sudden you have this big visceral response to and then and then all of a sudden he goes back to eating grass like nothing ever happened.


Yeah. And then after doing all this work, I finally put this behind that, that basically when your cortisol spikes fight or flight spikes, cortisol becomes elevated, then that's what gets saves the rabbi's life. But afterwards, he's got to ground out that the effects of the cortisol, because there's a lot of information being created in this body during the chase and so on. So what I try to do metaphorically for people to say, you know, it's like women, they get up in the morning, they've got the kids going off to school, they've got the husband taking care of they got food, they got all these things, challenges.


And then oftentimes they go to work and then they have to put up with the boss tropica and everything else. So I think all these things are know the phone rings that the coyote kids screams as the husband says, everything's coyote. So all day long you're fighting the coyotes. And at night when you get home, you said dinnertime. This and all the stress that goes with that, it's just coyote sitting all day long. What you have to do at night.


No matter what, if you can't afford the grounding or anything like that, then you have to go on doors for 15, 20 minutes and discipline all of that charge in your body, get rid of the stress, the rabbit stew. Otherwise you're going to go to bed with that cortisol running in the warm and sympathetic, and that's going to create anxiety, irritability, and then eventually more pain. And that creates more and just keeps the cycle going.


And then eventually it's depression and eventually your immune system can keep up with it. So simple in nature.


And that's the instinct of the animals. And there was a great book called Waking the Tiger, and they talked about the neurological need for all animals, especially prey animals, to to dissipate that electrical charge, that cortisol, all of that stuff. And it's exactly what you're saying. And so as us and we think we just need to take all of this stuff on all the time and we don't take that time and kind of letting letting the earth help us out, sit down on it, be on it, and then meditate and let yourself have that time.


And that's so important. So it's a great, easy thing for anyone to do, but we just have to actually do it.


Yeah, I actually a lot of people at home, you've got all the original term grounding was about your children. You would want to ground them so you get them back to normal, get them back to them. So anybody having a bad day, you're full of stress, anger, whatever is going on your 15 minutes, you can't be unhappy and can't be angry when you're standing on the earth, especially if there's something in your head. That's right.


Amen to that. And absolutely do so good. I love this conversation so much and I can't wait for people to hear what where can people find you and where can people get a hold of some of these amazing grounding that earthing Dotcom has a family of Mat's that are relatively inexpensive, very effective.


There's twenty twenty five, twenty six peer reviewed, published studies on grounding the effects of it. You can find them all at the Earth Institute dot net. I highly recommend, if possible, to watch the Earthing movie. It's on YouTube commercial free and it's a very authentic and very, very beneficial for people to see those people. But that's basically it has this these are products that are all developed by by products, from doing our studies and everything. And the main thing is what can we do to ground people during sleep was our main objective or sitting at the desk or at work or whatever, just to get the stress out of your body and to get in.


You have to reconnect with your your has resonating energies. Also, you have to connect to those that are receiving better connection, better reception. And then if it manages your your cortisol secretion and other hormones, your sleep stages, obviously this is all in nature. This is all natural. We just lost our connection with the Earth.


Well, we don't have to anymore. And we're if we just take time every day. And also, you made it so simple for us to do more of that with there with your technology. And it's super easy for people to implement. So, hey, man, thank you for all of your renegade work when you're by yourself for so long. And now I'm grateful that more and more people are learning about what you're doing. Thanks for the appreciate.


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