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But I really want to talk about water, the different types of water, impact on the body, why people should be drinking hydrogen water versus.


Alkaline water. There's no reason legitimately why altering the PH of water would do anything for the body. Hydrogen is critical for the function of the body. Everyone talks about longevity. But let's look at the people that are over 100. What are they doing? There was nothing you could link together except for their gut bacteria. We have so many chemicals in our water today. If there's nothing else someone can do, the water. Don't have your body be the filter. Buy a filter. If you don't get it out of the water before you put it in your mouth, you're forcing your body to get rid of heavy metals, pesticides, pharmaceuticals.


If you want to be putting the best water in your body, period, full stop, end of story, it should be. Welcome to the ultimate human podcast. I'm your host, Gary Breca, human biologist. I'm really excited about today's podcast. We go down the road of everything anti-aging, longevity, biohacking, and everything in between that takes average humans and makes them ultimate humans. I'm really excited because today I have one of the foremost authorities on water in the world on the podcast. I'm really blessed to have you on here. Welcome to the show, Dr. Paul. Dr. Paul has a background in alkaline water in the study of hydrogen gas, hydrogen water, water filtration systems. I brought him on because I even get confused, as a biohacker, about what water should I be drinking? The estimates are anywhere between 60-80 % of our bio is water. Obviously, our mitochondria use an enormous amount of water every day to create energy, denicine trifosphate that powers human beings. If we're 60-80 % water, then water is got to matter. When I'm working with a client, very often I say, It's what you drink, what you eat, what you supplement with, and what you do.


If you line those four things up, you're already on your way to being an ultimate human. But there's so much information out there that I feel like people get paralysis of analysis. I agree. There's filtered water, there's distilled water, there's alkaline water, there's vitamin water, there's hydrogen water. Pretty soon you're like, What the heck? Wait a second. They all claim to do the same thing. Yeah, they're all the best. Yeah, they're all the best. And I'm not saying there's anything necessarily wrong with them, but the people that tune into my podcast are the people that are really... They want to go next level. None of them are tuning in to be average. They're tuning in to be ultimate humans. And my journey around the world is about finding the right research and the right scientifically backed evidence to support any of the claims that we make that this is going to be beneficial for your health. The outcome is never to say, You have to buy my e-book or sell a product or buy a special supplement, but I really want to talk about water, the different types of water, their impact on the body, why people should be drinking hydrogen water versus alkaline water versus filter water versus carbonated water or what have you.


So very happy to have you on the show. Welcome to the show. Why don't we talk a little bit about your background and your journey to where you are now as one of the world's leading authorities on hydrogen water.


Thank you, Gary. I always drink water like everyone else.


Well, I hope so. You'd be dead if you didn't.


Yeah. And water to me, years ago, was all about what you wash your car with, what you shower in, and you drink it, right? That was it. That's where I was at. And 10 years into my marriage, I've been married 29 years now, and 10 years into my marriage, my wife was very sick.




Had thyroid issues, gynecological issues, very, very acute anemia, and short-term memory issues because of yeast we found out later. But all of that was helped with water. And so that's where my introduction to water came. It was really a search, a journey to help my queen.




Better. Because I was 31 years old, married 10 years, and was.


Like-what made you think that this might be a water issue? I mean, those things, I can see the correlation with water, but most people wouldn't go, Okay, well, she's got gynecological issues, memory issues, cognitive function, all kinds of maybe molds and parasites or what have you. Maybe it's the water.


Yeah, and I didn't even come up with that. Okay. So initially, I had some friends that had an organic food store. 9/11 had occurred. They lost half their business because people weren't flying to Disney World to come, and they would come and stay in or whatever, and they would get organic food.


From them. Okay.


So they lost half their business. They were friends. They came to me and said, Can you help us out to weather this storm so we don't go out of business? I said, Sure. And as a result of that, they were still struggling because it took longer than everybody thought for people to start traveling again. Sure. And so they eventually paid back. I said, Look, don't worry about the interest. Just do the principal, right? I'm here for you guys, right? As a thank you. And that was the greatest decision I did. It's amazing. It was for giving them interest.


Because-where these tipping points.


Come from. Yes. Because then they said, Hey, we want to take you guys on a cruise with us out of Fort Lauderdale. We want to go on this cruise with this carnival ship, the Liberty Ship. It was the.


Maiden voyage. Okay.


Nine-day crews. They brought water with them on that cruise, and I thought it was the strangest thing in the world.


Why would you bring water? I actually sometimes travel with water, so I know how they.


-so they brought a suitcase for us. And of course, I drank this water that they had started selling. And believe it or not, they brought in water to their business, and that's what saved their company. From a revenue perspective, they ended up having 200 people a day coming and filling up gallon jugs of this water that was great. So they're telling me it's the greatest thing since slice bread and headlines on cars and all this stuff. I'm like, I don't know anything about this. At that time in my career, I was all focused on diabetes and not having people lose their legs or toes. And so that was my whole world, was diabetes and prevention of basically limb salvage is what we would call it. So we get on this cruise. Mind you, my wife is on her first day of her cycle. She's doubled over in pain. In my understanding, she's going to be in the room for the entire cruise. Only two days. It was a nine-day cruise. So two days of that cruise she might have gotten. And I was like, Well, that stinks because I'm going to be not with her, right?


Right. So I drink this water they bring. I feel nothing. I'm not levitating off the ground. I'm not and sprouting wings on my back and flying. I'm not feeling anything. But I was extremely healthy and have always been in my life. But my wife drank the water and she said to me, and she clenched her fist and she said, I can't stop drinking this. My body is craving this water. And I thought, What? Wow. What is okay? Again, I wasn't there.




So she started drinking the water, and within two days she was participating in the cruise and feeling amazing. And I'm like, Wow. Whoa, I can't deny that. Something's here. I don't know what it is, but something. Here we're having lots of bagels at breakfast, and I'm asking the guy, Hey, what's up with this? Jack was with us. I can't deny that, right? He goes, Oh, Paul, you don't even know. Everyone's issues are going away. And he's like, make claim land, right? I'm like, okay, slow down. I want to ask some questions. And he couldn't answer them because he didn't know what he was selling, really. And so he goes, hey, come to my office. The guy who sold me these machines coming, he whatever. So he comes. I listen to him. He's talking about wounds. He's talking about all kinds of stuff. I go up to him and ask a question. You said the water could help with the wounds. What's feeding the fibroblasts?


Because now you got the hook because you're in the diabetes world. He said wound.


You have this-And I knew about wound care.


-first-hand account with your wife, which might have been anecdotal, but now he's talking.


About your work. I couldn't deny it, right? So I knew there was something, but I'm like, What is it? So I ask him, What's feeding the fibroblasts to drop collagen in the wound bed? He goes, No idea. I said, Okay, you lost me. Because if you're standing up there for an hour spouting all this stuff off that it's doing and you don't know what the mechanism is, shame on you.




I feel the same way. Shame on you. You should not be doing that because I believe it's sacred ground. When you stand and lecture and are sharing information, and if you haven't taken the time to understand the mechanisms and what's going on internally, you shouldn't be doing it. You should get someone who can. So they lost me, right? But I couldn't deny that it helped my wife. My wife kept going back and getting that water within six months. It took a six-month period. Her cycle was normal.




I was like.


No other changes.




Than she's added this water to her routine. Right. She's drinking this water exclusively.


Yes. She was going to their store and getting a gallon or two at a time and coming back and drinking it, and I had no idea. I said, Whoa, you're still drinking the water? She's like, Yeah. I'm like, Well, I can't deny the effects, right? But I want to figure out what the mechanism is. Because they were telling me, Oh, it's alkaline. It's alkaline. I didn't believe. I'm like, I know it's alcohol, and I can test it, but there's no reason legitimately why altering the PH of water would do anything for the body because it's not going to get through stomach acid.


And we know, too, and correct me if I'm wrong, alkaline water doesn't make the body alkaline, doesn't change the pH of the body. Or as you said to me off camera, people would die from drinking a can of soda because the PH is 1.1%. It's actually very, very, very acidic.


Yes. And here's the thing. When you have water coming from an electrolysis-type device, the hydroxides, OH-, is why the water pH increases. On one side you have H+'s, which is a hydrogen ion, that's going to reduce pH.


But it doesn't-You mean make it more acidic?


That's right. And then the hydroxide will increase pH. But they're not stable. They have no buffering capacity. In fact, from a stochiometric perspective or a big, large equation.




Would have to drink 10,000 liters of a pH-9 water to buffer the same amount of stomach acid as a quarter teaspoon of baking soda. That's how little buffering capacity alkaline water has.


I've been aware of this for a long time. I've always said that I'm not anti-alkaline water. I just want people to understand that the alkaline water will not make their system alkaline. That's right. So the benefits of drinking alkaline water aren't necessarily that it makes your blood alkaline. It probably also happens to be filtered, and it's clean water, and there's benefits, obviously, to that over drinking tap water.


Right. I sold in my career, before I started doing hydrogen systems, I sold thousands of alkaline systems per month because it helped my wife, and I could not deny the results. I didn't yet understand the mechanism of why it was helping. I didn't agree it was pH, but I also didn't want to not help people because I didn't understand everything perfectly myself.


So what made the transition from alkaline water, which you're messing around with, and you're selling alkaline water systems, to now where you are the king of water and the hydrogen water filtration systems that you manufacture, which I happen to personally have, I'll just disclose that I have two of them, one in each of my homes. But what is it about... What did you discover along this journey that made you go, I've found the Fountain of youth. I've found the source of what really water can do in the body. And what was that?


Yeah, and that's exactly what I did. I'm like, This is the Holy Grail. And what that event was is I knew my wife was being helped. I didn't understand why. I had taken literature that companies or the alkaline water people were sharing and saying, This is why it works. And I read all of them and said, This is all backwards to what I understand in water chemistry. So I went to a dear friend of mine who had a PhD in water chemistry from Emory. And I said, Chris, will you look at all this stuff? I'm finding that it's all nonsense. This is backwards to me. But can you please look at it? And of course, he was staying at my house at the time. He's from Delaware. And he says, Yeah, I'll look at it. And he came back to me and said, You're right. It's all backwards from what my... I mean, I have a PhD in water. I know water. It's all opposite of what water chemistry is and what it does, except for this one study. I think your answer is in here. And I said, What? And he said, Look here on page 34 of this study on this graph, it's saying that this is the mechanism of healing.


And all it was is two letters, DH. I said, DH, what is that? And he said, dissolved hydrogen. I was like, as soon as he said that, if you've ever had that moment where you just feel the chills from head to toe.


Now, you have to be a real geek to feel chills from head to toe from seeing the word distilled hydrogen. I know your pain.


Yeah, I just knew because selling the alkaline systems, I knew hydrogen was on the cathode. You can understand water chemistry. Oxygen is on the anode, hydrogen is on the cathode. I always felt it had something to do with hydrogen, but I had nothing to say, Here's a definitive. Now I had this study finally that showed dissolved hydrogen was what they were claiming was the reason, the benefits. It just concreted in my mind like, Oh, yeah, that hunch was right. Now we know, right? Of course, it felt true to me, which is, I think, why it affected me so much. I said, Oh, my gosh, thank you. And off I ran to go and figure out hydrogen. Well, I'll tell you what, once I understood hydrogen and that was my topic of search, oh, my gosh, I found stuff that was hidden.


Oh, me too. Thousands of peer-reviewed, published clinical research articles, which by the way, we're going to make available to the podcast listeners. I'm going to put a link below, maybe in the link to your hydrogenwaterstudies. Com. So if you want to read any of these studies, they can. I've personally read, I wouldn't say the majority of the studies on that site because there's about 1,200 of them, but I've read some of the big ones on Parkinson's, inflammation, autoimmune. I mean, it is scary the positive impact that it's had. It's almost like you don't want to mention it because you sound like a witch doctor, or you make.


Claims about treating disease. It's a miracle.


Cure, right? It's crazy. But some of what I read on there with my own eyes were miracle studies, and I thought they were very well conducted and they're very well done. For sure. And I even wrote down some of the ones I read. I read a study on Parkinson's, irritable bowel syndrome, joint pain. There were several on joint pain that I just found astounding. People were reporting complete remission of systemic multijoint pathologies like pain in their joints.


Especially RA. I mean.


Yeah, rheumatoid arthritis. Parkinson's disease, early onset of Alzheimer's and dementia, irritable bowel syndromes. There were dozens of studies on irritable bowel syndrome. We work with a lot of clients that have irritable bowel syndrome in fixing methylation. And we know that methylation has hydrogen byproducts. But when I read the combination of using hydrogen water with fixing people's methylation or even just hydrogen water as a standalone, I was pretty impressed.


For sure.


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I can tell you that there are roughly, I mean, 3,000 articles, 1,250 studies, 217 or double-blind human studies on 200 disease models. Now, before everyone freaks out and says that's too good to be true, I think we need to understand that hydrogen is supposed to be in the body. And everyone needs to understand that you are supposed to create hydrogen in your intestinal tract during the fermentation of food or digestion. So before everyone says, Oh, my gosh, I know it's shocking, but I didn't create hydrogen. It's been here for a while. And if we look at the body chemistry, it's all carbon, hydrogen, chain. So hydrogen is critical for the function of the body. And what I think people really need to understand is that you are supposed to create hydrogen in the gut. And this is what part of flatulence is. So we call it fart therapy or something, right?


We call it fart therapy? Yeah. So everybody should be farting a little bit.


They should. And so what's beautiful is hydrogen is a reducer. That's its primary role. It reduces oxidation. We know that oxidation is normal, but oxidative stress is not. And the problem why we have so many disease models is because many people have oxidative stress, and that the combination of oxidative stress and chronic inflammation is where disease.


Comes from. Oh, no doubt. I've always said that inflammation is the root of all evil. And reducing inflammation, if we could do it systemically, obviously is not only a recipe for longevity and anti-aging, but it's also a recipe for optimal health.




So now you've discovered that the key is hydrogen, right? And so now you have something to sink your teeth into. So now you start sinking your teeth into dissolved hydrogen.


That's right.


And by dissolved hydrogen, because I know that hydrogen is in the air we breathe, it's in some of the water that has to be in the water we drink by structure. Tell me about the journey then towards hydrogen water specifically.


When we talk about water, it is H2O. That's one of the big misnomers or misunderstandings people say, Well, isn't hydrogen already water? Well, it is, but it's not because water is now a liquid. You don't have access to the gas. The hydrogen and oxygen gas, they are now a liquid. So you don't have oxygen and hydrogen as a gas anymore. And in water, normal water you'd be drinking, you have no hydrogen gas. You can have some oxygen gas from turbulence in water going through an air rater in your faucet or whatever. And you'll see some bubbles, and that's oxygen because it's just mixing with air. But you do not have hydrogen. What we're really doing, or what you have to do is you have to break up water molecules to the H2O and get rid of the hot oxygen and just dissolve the H2 molecules.


Just the two hydrogens, which by the way, is part of what the creb cycle does inside of our mitochondria. If we were to go inside of a cell and then find the mitochondria and then go inside of the mitochondria, the little motor that's spinning in the mitochondria, the creb cycle, is a voracious consumer of water. The first thing it does is split it apart. It pops the oxygen off and pops the hydrogens off and uses it in different parts.


Of the cycle. Melanin can do that. There are some studies out of Australia that melanin light coming through the eyes. Melanin can separate water. The body is fascinating.


We don't have excess hydrogen in the liquid water that we drink?


We have none.


You're saying if we were able to get excess hydrogen in there.




The way it.


Should be happening in the body naturally. In our gut, our gastrointestinal tract, really, specifically in the colon, we should have predominantly anaerobic microflourate. -yeah, and within the family of bacteria.


-imeaning bacteria that don't use oxygen. -right. -anaerobic.


-yeah. And they like fatty acids and fiber as their source of food. Whereas aerobic bacteria likes carbs and sugar, right? Right. So people that have carb and sugar craving it's because they have too much aerobic bacteria versus anaerobic. People that eat salads that have high fiber content and maybe have loose bowels, it's because you don't have the bacteria to process the fiber.


Right. It's one of the things I talk about a lot is that very often your sugar cravings are coming from your gut, your gut flora. You change the gut flora, you change the craving.


Amen. So what we need, and years ago, years ago, I came across a study that showed that the aerobic bacteria wants a positive electrical potential in the tissue.


Anaerobic or what we call strict anaerobes, they want a negative electrical potential. And what's perfect for them is a negative 300 to negative 400 millivolts of electrical potential. This is not electricity, it's electrical potential. It's what's called an antioxidant charge, but it's a potential. And what that does is it creates an environment or what we call a biomark terrain. So for the terrain to be correct in the gut, it's electrical. And so years ago, when I read the study, I was like, Oh, gosh, we can do that. So when we process water, we can impart a negative electrical potential to water very easily.


By adding hydrogen.


By adding hydrogen, because hydrogen is electron-rich. And so we know that the ORP, what's called oxidation reduction potential of water, doesn't... So we know pH doesn't survive stomach acid. Orp, we don't believe, survives stomach acid, but hydrogen gas does. Hydrogen gas will go through the duodenum into the small intestine and then into the colon. When it's in the colon, it will change the polarity back from the disrupted-So.


Maybe this is one of the reasons why one of the studies that I read that talked about a very positive impact on immunity. And 70 % of our immune system comes from the health of our gut. For sure. So by actually improving our gut flora and gut biome and maybe restoring some of those bacteria that don't require oxygen, that specifically don't like oxygen, but can use hydrogen, that this would be linked to bolstering the immune system. So if we're able to put more hydrogens into the gut, we can restore gut flora and then get the benefits of the restored gut flora.


Right, because hydrogen will work to create the train. And if we look at humic acid, like a lot of probiotics and stuff, is humic acid. Well, that produces hydrogen. So the reason these probiotics actually do something for us is because they're hydrogen producers. If we look at humic acid, that's your main effort. Well, it's a Band-Aid because it's only going to last a short amount of time. You got to take in the pills. If we get the terrain and the bio changed, the bacteria will come back and live there. And within the anaerobic microflour family, we have these really cool bacteria. It's called hydrogen trophs. I did a dissertation on this.


Hydrogen trophs?


Hydrogen trophs.


You did a dissertation on hydrogen troph bacteria?


Well, on hydrogen, yeah.


I was going to say that might have been the most boring thing in the world.


I know. I loved it, of course. Of course, you did. But what I did is I looked at 4,000 Centenarians. Because everyone talks about living forever and everyone talks about longevity. But let's look at the people that are over 100. What are they doing? And there was no food, there was no religion, there was no part of the world. There was nothing that you could link together except for their gut bacteria. It was the one thing they all had in common because I believe longevity comes from gut.


Oh, no doubt. I would absolutely.


Support that. So if we have these hydrogen trophs, which we should have, when we eat fiber and fatty acids, short-chain and medium-chain fatty acids, and then fiber, beneficial fiber, water-soluble fiber, then those hydrogen trophs convert those fatty acids and fiber into hydrogen gas. And what's really beautiful is they will consume 30 % of the hydrogen gas they've created as their own energy source, and then the rest goes either out the tailpipe or into the body through the intestinal tract to modulate our function of our body.


Then simply by drinking water that's had hydrogens added, we're feeding the gut bacteria, we're changing the floor of our gut, we're making it more hospitable to the bacteria that are actually doing things like reducing inflammation, interrupting free radical oxidation, and possibly even bolstering the immune system and all of those things that are actually coming as a result of the gut being healed, but the hydrogen, gas, excess hydrogen, gas is what's causing it. I also read a pretty interesting study about athletic performance and a parabolic effect on athletic performance just by switching from filtered water or water with basic electrolytes like an electrolyte packet to water that was hydrogenated. Tell me, how would it affect physical performance?


We do have professional athletes, and we're and we have amateur, and we have weekend warriors. I don't know what study you read, but the study that my favorite was a study on elite athletes, and they were soccer players.


I think that's the one I read on your site. It's on your Hydrogen.


Yeah, it's the hydrogenstudies.




-hydrogenstudies. Com. So these were elite soccer players, pro, and they either consumed and they did a crossover with them. So they had placebo water or they had hydrogen water, and they would change in one week intervals. And so at the end of the study, it showed there was no lactate buildup. There was no what's called exercise-induced muscle decline.




Drinking the placebo water, which was typical water, they would have muscle decline at the normal place they thought they would from a.


Fatigue perspective. Yeah, what we call DOMs, delayed onset muscle soreness.


Yeah, and they were doing knee extensions just so everyone knows who's listening to this. They were doing knee extensions.


To- Predictively.


Yeah, to see when weresure we were not able to do them as well. And so at the end of the study, they showed with those drinking the hydrogen water, there was no fatigue, period. There was no lactate buildup in the muscle. There was no... I mean, there was a number of biomarkers they were using. But the reality was there was no fatigue, and then the recovery times were much lower. And so that's what we've noticed as well with athletes, is they say they can go a lot longer. And where this is really beneficial, of course, elite athletes, but also people that, let's say they're aging and they can't get quite to a mile, but they want to run a mile again, they can get there with drinking.


Or water. And so we know, too, that sedentary lifestyle is now the leading cause of all-cause mortality. So it means we've got a lot of sedentary people. We have a lot of obese people. We also have a lot of people that don't make the choice to be sedentary, but for whatever reason, they're physically impaired or they have an injury. For non elite athletes, it's still good for them to consume hydrogen water because it's going to have the benefits of the gut circulation, reduction of inflammation. So then tell me about you're fascinated by this study. And you know that it helps your wife. You're onto hydrogen now, dissolved hydrogen. And so now what are you doing? Trying to figure out a way to get dissolved hydrogen into water?


Yes. And I was selling, it just so happened I had done research on water. I didn't choose the one that that other gentleman did that my friend had because when I started testing it, I couldn't find the properties in that water. When the machines were brand new, it did have hydrogen, but then after a short time, it didn't. And so I was trying to figure out what was going on. I learned later that in the electrolysis chamber, calcium and minerals in general that are positively charged, they have an affinity to the negatively-charged cathode, and you can get calcium buildup on the electrodes. And once you have even the smallest amount on the surface, you can no longer dissolve hydrogen gas because the hydrogen bubbles coalesce or group together, and they're too large to dissolve. You don't have pressure forcing them in a dissolved state, so they just go out to atmosphere. And so what my first cycle was, was making sure that we had hydrogen in a nano size, small bubbles, so that they would dissolve in a flow-through machine with no added pressure. And so through this process, there was a patent created with some engineers that we were working with that reversed the polarity of the electrodes every time you turn the machine.


So this was the first thing we did. Okay. And that made it impossible for calcium to build up. So you could keep hydrogen in an alkaline system. Because what we were understanding is the pH didn't matter, but the hydrogen did. But we didn't know how to make hydrogen without making pH water initially.


You mean without linking alcohol.


Right. We didn't know how to have the hydrogen gas, but we then knew how to have the hydrogen gas always instead of two weeks, which is what the other machines were doing is after two weeks, there would be enough calcium buildup that unless you cleaned the machine, you wouldn't have any hydrogen gas anymore, so you would lose the benefits. And people were telling us, Yeah, I felt amazing when I got the machine, but after about two weeks or so, it doesn't feel the same until I clean it. And once I clean it, I feel great again. And we're like, Huh, what's going on? Well, what we learned is that the hydrogen goes away because the calcium builds up. So we had to figure that out. Initially, quite honestly, the engineers did the reversing polarity to save the electrode life. Because once the calcium is on there, they overheat. And we didn't know it was hydrogen, but luckily, it also kept the hydrogen in the water. And so we just figured out. It wasn't like we were brilliant. We were just trying to fix one problem and we fixed two. And so that was huge. Well, fast forward to years later, I created Echo in 2009, 2010, 2011 with a focus on hydrogen as the conversation, because now we have the patent that makes it, so we'll always have hydrogen in alkaline water.


Right. And then it was a few years later that I created the first machine, the Echo9 Ultra, which combined the alkaline and acid water so that you'd have a neutral pH, and then I ran it through a filter so we could get rid of the hypochlorous acid that was created in the acid water. Now we would have a nice tasting water that was hydrogen and neutral pH. That was the first generation of machine I created back in 2014. That was the Echo9 Ultra. We figured out some things and then said, Oh, let's do it even better. And that's what led to the ultimate machine that we have today, which makes four different types of water. But in that process, we created a module, what we call the hydrogen module, that uses a proton exchange membrane where the cathode never touches water ever, so you can't get calcium buildup. Okay. And what we're really doing now is we're harvesting hydrogen and oxygen. We're sending oxygen back out to the environment, and we're dissolving an eventory circuit or a dissolving chamber just the hydrogen and mixing it with the pure water.


So when you drink this hydrogenated water, number one, what could somebody expect to feel? Number two, how long does the hydrogen stay in the water? Because sometimes I go to 7/11, and I see there's a lot of hydrogen water now, which I assume is valid. Some of it comes like a squeeze pack. Some of it comes in an aluminum canisters. My experience tells me that you can't really dissolve gas in a water, but maybe you can if you dissolve it to such a particle size, it just stays in there. And then so once somebodylet's say, puts one of these under their countertop or fills a glass with hydrogen water, how long is it viable?


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So we have tested it through gas chromatography, and your half-life is at three to five hours, depending on the temperature of the water. So if you put it in a glass that is open to the atmosphere, the hydrogen is going to go. It's three to five hours for half, which would still be a therapeutic concentration with.


Our water. Okay.


So 6-8 hours would be your max. And so if people aren't drinking glass water in six to eight hours, we have to.


Fill it up. We have to fill it up and drink it for six to eight hours.


But the reality is if you put it in a container, and this is the problem, there are people and companies trying to sell hydrogen water. Hydrogen is number one on the periodic table. It's so tiny. It'll go through metal, glass, plastic. It goes through because it's so tiny. If we put it in a bottle that's sealed with no airspace, no path of least resistance for hydrogen to go up into the airspace, you can only lose 0.1 parts per million per day. And this is just a round number. It's not exact science because it would have to do with the volume and temperature, and you'd have to get a lot of equation here for Boyle's Law, basically. Boyle's Law governs how long a dissolved gas will stay in a liquid at whatever atmosphere.


You're at. Is there any validity to hydrogen water that you could get at the supermarket? Or is it probably lost a lot of it?


The ones that I have tested, which is not all of them, but the ones that I've tested do not have the concentration that was claimed. And they're very careful to say that at time of... When it talks about parts per million, there will be an asterisk, and it'll say down on the fine print at time of production.




So there's only one substrate that's been identified that holds the hydrogen in, and that's an aluminum, very thin aluminum sheeting. It looks like the bubblegum wrapper, remember from Wrigley's from years ago? Sure. And so that's why the flexible containers that are there, the problem is the top is plastic.




So it's going to go through that eventually anyways, because you don't have the film entirely wrapping the.


Whole thing.


I see, trapping the gas in there. So the ones that I've tested don't have the concentration. And quite honestly, it's way more expensive to pay $5 for 12 ounces of water. Right. I mean, imagine if gas was that expensive, people losing their minds. I created sport bottles years ago that you have a rechargeable battery. You can just put clean water in it. This is.


One of them right.


Here, right? Yeah. You can just push the button and you can see hydrogen going in.


I can see it.


And then out the bottom is a port.


For oxygen. I've got this one, too. Yeah. Oh, there is a port out the.


Bottom for oxygen. Yeah, right there. You see the little -I.


Just want to be breathing that.


Yeah, there you go.


That feels great. So that's creating hydrogen water. What is the parts per million or the concentration.


That's in here? There's two time cycles. There's a five-minute and a 10-minute. Five minutes will give you two and a half parts per million. Ten minutes is up to four and a half parts per million. We test it through gas chromatography. Again, we always do that. But I mean.


It's tons of hydrogen. I do notice when you open this after a while- A little bit of a pressure. Yeah, you can hear it pop. That means that a little bit of hydrogen has gotten out, but there is still.


Some that's dissolved.


Yeah, there's a ton. Plenty dissolved in them. For somebody that only wants the best, they're like, I want to drink the best water for my body. Water that's slightly alkaline that is also hydrogenated.


I wouldn't say the pH matters at all. In fact, what would be better for their stomach is even slightly below seven would be fine. If we look at the water on the earth, it's five and a half to 8.4 pH coming out of the ground. It depends on the mineral content. Your pH is typically because of mineral content or in electrolysis devices, it's hydroxides.


No real truth to higher the pH, the healthier the water. Not at all. I'm glad that we're dispelling that myth.


Yeah, in fact, it can be harmful. When I was selling machines, about 15% of the population have what's called a Alzheimer's effect when they drink water because it throws their system out of balance.




We understand our body, our stomach is highly acid. I mean, bile is one and a half pH. And so let's tick up the environment, which should be like a three, three and a half pH with gastric juices. You put a nine and a half pH, any buffering that's done at all can be harmful for people who can't produce HCO. Okay. Because the stomach is going to immediately dump HCO into reduce the pH again. And if you can't produce HCO and you give someone alkaline water, you would just put a burden on them.


Right. Because you're now putting alkaline water past the duodenum, you're putting alkaline.


-well, even in the stomach.


-contact. Yeah.


The body can't help itself, but it's trying to write itself to put the pH down so you can break things down.


So hydrogen. So if you had a neutral pH water that was highly hydrogenated.


Then that.


Would be.


Your perfect water. Yeah, that's your perfect water for brain, for gut, for immune, for energy. That's really what you need. I want to emphasize on clean water because we have so many chemicals in our water today. It's shocking.


Oh, no question.


It's shocking. If there's nothing else someone can do, clean the water, don't have your body be the filter.


I say it all.


The time. Buy a filter, right? Buy a filter and get the stuff out of water. Because if you don't get it out of the water before you put it in your mouth, you're forcing your body to get rid of heavy metals, pesticides, pharmaceuticals, blood pressure medication, all kinds of stuff that's in the water.


I read the study recently on the amount of pharmaceuticals in the water. I always knew about glyphosates, and obviously chlorine, fluoride, I want to get out of the water, bacteria, viruses. Of course, we want to get those out of the water, but microplastics now, and even trace elements of pharmaceuticals that have gone down the sewer. Treatment plants are not really effective at getting those out, and then it comes back out of our faucet and you're drinking all that. Does the filtration system that you have essentially distill the water and then add the hydrogen or just cleans it?


Distilled water in the medical community has always been the gold standard for water. Because typically, a patient's coming in with issues, you don't want to introduce more issues into the body and chase down issues. And so typically, they would use distilled water because it's pure. They would know, We're not introducing any other aggravator effectively. We're not adding something else that can be.


-can't the distilled water also pull electrolytes and things out of the tissue, and eventually high volumes of distilled water could be bad for you?


That is one of the many misnomers that's not true.




You have this belief system, and even some naturopaths, doctors, and things believe it because they've heard it so much, but it's completely untrue that reverse osmosis or distilled water will pull the minerals out of you.




Have fun with that because I love having fun with it. Let's have a little fun with that. If you drank water and it's supposedly pulling the minerals out of you, where are they going? Because the water is still in you. You're mostly water. So where's that going? And really, why would the water need those minerals so badly that it would pull it out of you? It doesn't make any sense because the body needs it, but the water doesn't need minerals.




So that's the second point is water doesn't need minerals. Water is perfectly stable at H2O by itself. And I mean, it's really only H2O at pH of seven, right? If you change pHs, it's not really H2O. It's mixtures of other things. But the reality is the minerals in water is not what we need anyways because they're inorganic minerals.




Because the water has gone across the earth or from a mountain or rain or whatever, and it's picking up minerals from soil. And that is from rock. So these are not, I mean, unless people are licking rocks or sucking on rocks, I don't know. But the point is, minerals we need are from food.


Vegetables that are growing on the Earth will pull up the inorganic minerals.




Make it organic. And we're not talking organic, like non-pesticide. We're talking about the state of the minerals. We need organic minerals because that's what is bio available to us. We should not be counting on water as our mineral source at all, because they're inorganic minerals from rock. And then my fourth point is, how do we know for a fact that this idea that reverse osmosis or distilled water is not going to leach minerals from you? Well, if you go to Seattle and you test the total dissolved solids in water, it's about five TDS, which is lower than most RO water.


Okay, lower than most reverse.


Is most of it. Yeah, the tap water that you're going to get in your house in Seattle, Washington, is 3-5 TDS. Because it's coming from a mountain that has granite. There's nothing to get in the water because granite is so hard. You're not picking up lime, you're not picking up calcium.


Theoretically, that would strip minerals out of your body if it was.


Yeah, and we would-I know, you could see everyone sick. We would see everyone sick in Seattle. But you also have South Carolina, North Carolina, Atlanta, Georgia that have almost no minerals in their water naturally. We just are not seeing these trends in health challenges or crisis in those areas. And then you go to Switzerland, you go to Germany, about half of Germany have no minerals. The other half you do. But you.




See differences?


We don't see them. So then the big takeaway from this is that if you want to be putting the best water in your body, period, full stop, end of story, it should be hydrogenated water. Water with excess.




To feed gut flora, for bacteria, for even transformation for its oxidative reduction potential for your brain.


Yeah, we do what's called EEG. We have a brain master, 21 channel EEG that we can use in our office. I used a doctor in Tampa who does brain mapping as well. Okay. And he took 10 patients, and one of them was a 62-year-old female. He did nothing else but give her 16 ounces of Echo Water, our water, R-Water. And within three minutes, he saw a 32 % change in plasticity of the brain. Wow. 58 % normalization of alpha and beta waves. And then when you look at the actual graphics, it's beautiful because you went from almost a full red in the brain, which was high function, the brain is overworking, to green, which was normal function. And it was three to five minutes. So we see that change in individuals with whether it's a neurologic or just ADD or ADHD or whatever, they will say, Oh, I feel more clear.


I actually noticed when I travel, I'm not able to drink hydrogen water. I do notice it. It's one of the reasons why I just got a system for my place in Colorado because we spend so much time out there. I drink the water right out of the glacier. That's awesome. Glacier-fed spring water, which is great. I know that the water is healthy, but again, for those people that just want to go next level with their water, hydrogen water system will add the excess hydrogens that can actually have all of these additional benefits.


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Well, so it's interesting because when we look at brain, and I think we have what, 62 studies on Parkinson's alone? And the studies on hydrogen are pretty amazing because it'll say disease modifying effect with Parkinson's disease. I mean, it's pretty strong language, but I want everyone to understand it's not hydrogen actually going to the brain. It's gastric grelin. So you have leptin and grelin. Grelin is a master hormone in the body. A lot of people call it the hunger hormone. The hunger hormone, yeah. But what actually is intriguing about grelin is everything from circadian rhythm to you name it, grelin is involved. If you were to just go on Wikipedia and type in G-H-R-E-L-I-N, Grelin, you would spend a year doing a topical study on everything Grelin affects in the human body. And the most effective way to selectively stimulate gastric grelin is hydrogen. Better than adenolol, better than mixing adenolol. There are ways they've looked at getting more grelin into the brain. Literally, when you drink water with hydrogen gas and it hits your stomach within three minutes, the grelin secretions, what's called striatial grelin, will go to the hippocampus, the hypothalamus, and the brain stem, and it begins to have brain function be peak.


Wow. That's one of the first things people say is, yes, it increased my energy because you're offloading the mitochondria from hydroxyl radicals. That was the first study in 2009 that Nature Medicine published was that hydrogen was a selective antioxidant. And what it means by selective is that it only reaches and reacts with cytotoxic oxygen radicals. -wow. -it never touched the radicals that have a physiological role. It only combatted with the.


Cytotoxic or cell damage. That's amazing. I've never actually heard the term selective cytotoxic radicals, meaning that it's only going after the ones that are causing inflammation and causing cellular damage because we know now that aging is a mitochondrial disease. It's a progressive decline in mitochondrial function. Then theoretically, anything that improves mitochondrial function either delays or reverses the aging process, which sounds like this does.


Well, yeah, telomere. You have huge benefits with telomeres. Hydrogen water in a healthy cell will lengthen telomeres, which you want.




A cancer cell, it'll shorten them because you want a haystack. You don't want those cells duplicating. The other major thing in all that there's 117 cancer studies, and what it talked about was that it benefited apoptosis.


Which is the blood of death. -which is the blood.


Of death. -natural.


-natural cellular death.


Yeah, it's cells that are duplicating incorrectly, it destroys. Well, somehow cancer turns off and so hydrogen returned it back on. It's very, very beautiful.


Paul, at the end of every podcast I ask all of my guests a secret question. It's not so secret now. It's all over the internet. But the question is, what does being an ultimate human mean to you?


That's a good question. That's a good question.


There's no right or wrong answer. Don't get me wrong.


I would say being the ultimate, to me, being the ultimate human being is serving, loving, and lifting others.




And forgiveness. I would tell you, so many people try to hold.


Claim- Serving, loving, lifting others, and forgiveness.




Going to be a tough one to beat. I think that's a.


Good one. Well, I just say so many people are hurt intentionally, unintentionally, and they want to hold claim on that person for that damage, for that harm that they're doing. And forgiveness goes both directions. It frees both, right? And I think so many people are dealing with difficulty to forgive others for abuse or harm, and it affects them. And I don't think they understand how much it affects them from a health perspective, from a mental place. And I'm not saying it's not difficult because people do some really harmful things to each other on this planet we live on. But I would say if we learn how to forgive and just understand we're all messed up. We all do stuff to each other intentionally, unintentionally. And if we can learn how to forgive and allow people on their journey.


Well, that's amazing. Well, I mean, this has been amazing, Paul. I feel like we could sit here for two more hours, but I try to keep these podcasts to 60 minutes or less so that people can listen to it on their commute. If you'd like more information on the hydrogen water filtration system or just links to the studies that we discussed on the podcast today or even links to all 1,250 of the hydrogen water studies, I'll make sure that I put the link down below. And you're welcome to wander around those studies like I did. I probably read six or eight of them in-depth myself. I only read the human trials or a lot of rat models on there, but I also I read the human trials. I did read the one on the soccer players. So I hope you guys found this podcast beneficial. This is Dr. Paul from Echo Hydration Water Filtration Systems, and I look forward to seeing you guys next time. It's just science.